7a106b No.15727698
There are people out there that can't get over the fact that people just want to play the games as they are meant to be played, and yet, they call it cheating.
I mean, was anyone ever called out for using a fighting stick instead of a controller for a console fighting game tournament?
75fab7 No.15727713
>overgay is your example
If consoles allow it, and games allow it, it's allowed no matter what retards say.
but in order to give a shit, you first have to actually own a console
ccb1c3 No.15727716
A couple of things…
<1. Where is the source to the pic in the OP?
<2.…
>I mean, was anyone ever called out for using a fighting stick instead of a controller for a console fighting game tournament?
Keyboards are actually the superior control method for fighting games.
7a106b No.15727726
>>15727713
It was the immediate example I had, it shouldn't surprise anyone that OW is the prime example of a community that thinks everything is cheating.
>>15727716
Overwatch Forums, in any case, these people literally say that, since the majority of people on console play the game with a gamepad it makes using anything else cheating.
7323f5 No.15727727
>>15727698
as far as i know there's no real evidence of advantage to using a stick over a pad. there is a massively significant advantage in using a kbm over a pad though
ccb1c3 No.15727736
>>15727726
>Overwatch Forums
Where's the link?
7a106b No.15727742
c5b951 No.15727744
>>15727698
>can afford overpriced drmstationbox
>can't afford a goddamn adapter
ccb1c3 No.15727746
c60ffc No.15727757
>>15727698
>Keyboard and mouse grants a significant advantage over the people who can't afford an adapter
Don't all modern consoles have USB slots?
>It's unfair to people that have worked hard to skilfully aim with a controller
Console FPS have auto aim cheats just so people with controllers can shoot shit, there's no skill in that.
7a106b No.15727762
>>15727757
>Don't all modern consoles have USB slots?
Console manufacturers don't allow just any 3rd party USB peripheral, only licensed stuff, and yet the players who buy adapters are the ones taking the heat.
912dcf No.15727766
>"You're just poor"
I bet these are the same fags who keep spouting this nonsense when actual living thinking human beings dont want to buy shitty DLC's, """remasters""" or games with microtransactions.
6ae0fe No.15727780
This is the same logic blizzard used to not allow widescreen monitors and restricted the FOV. Reminder that originally Overwatch was going to have a set FOV that was very low that you couldn't change. I'm willing to bet they talked internally about banning 144hz monitors and SSD's too.
912dcf No.15727808
>>15727780
>This is the same logic blizzard used to not allow widescreen monitors
You wot?
You mean people with widescreens cant even play the game they bought?
wew
fabd05 No.15727818
>>15727726
>Overwatch Forums
>any blizzard forum at all
That is no man's land. Turn back if you value your sanity
62dd7f No.15727819
When they say it's cheating, they are admitting it's just the superior control scheme.
6ae0fe No.15727830
>>15727808
No, they just have a really bad FOV. They basically have no advantage whatsoever. Blizzard neutered widescreen monitors as much as humanly possible. Also, black bars.
7a106b No.15727832
>>15727818
Is fun because in the end this is devolving into a "capitalism" thing, every player has the right to play as they see fit and they don't like it.
0bac9e No.15727837
Heaven forbid players who give a shit about playing well invest extra into their games…..
>rages about player who can afford keyboard and mouse adapter. Buys microtransaction comestic boxes and gets repeats.
People love excuses why they suck
7cbe45 No.15727844
>>15727762
>Console manufacturers don't allow just any 3rd party USB peripheral
It's nothing that nefarious or controlling. It's basically just what's supported. Just like how it's not Microsoft's cold touch retroactively deciding you should not be allowed to use your 5ghz wireless dongle on a windows 95 PC with USB 1.0, it's just about what is supported. The PS4 UI can be used with a mouse & keyboard by just plugging them in. Games need to accept them first.
On the M/KB question on consoles, I don't think it would be a good idea simply because the expectation is for everyone to have the same input device on every platform. Possibly having controller only lobbies would be a solution but when the answer is more work plus user base fragmentation it's hard to justify it. I'd rather console devs take more advantage of things like gyro much like how Nintendo innovated with it. DS4 has it, only one that does not is the Xbone controller. I think this would be far more effective at increasing the skill ceiling than telling players they're using the wrong peripheral.
7a106b No.15727847
>>15727837
You should see it right now, some anti-KbM guy said a controller is perfectly fine when I said controllers are good for some games but not all, now he is shilling his YT channel and admits he has an XBone Elite controller (the ones that allow macros) and he hasn't noticed the irony on his actions yet.
a6707b No.15727853
>>15727837
If you were willing to invest extra to play your games, why wouldn't you just build a nice pc and play them as they were meant to be played? If you're going to be a consolefag, you shouldn't be allowed to use a top-tier aftermarket FPS/TPS input device to run roughshod over the plebs using gamepads.
6ba26b No.15727890
>let’s run a special olympics
>but let’s do it with a motorcycle
Dev are lazy and don’t want to either lock this shitty attitude nor want to split the player base
9f04de No.15727900
I heard Bliztivision has been talking about making OW and a few other games crossplay on the Xbox and PS4, so this is something that's going to have to happen sooner or later. There's too much whining and specific personal definitions of what is an unfair advantage and what isn't… the only way forward is to just allow it across the board, and take the attitude that if you want to race - don't bring a Ford Pinto to the track. If you just want to relax and have some fun, you can still do that, but you have to take responsibility for your choice in input and set your expectations accordingly or learn to make up for the deficit in other ways.
People will bitch, but in a year or two, nobody will care. They'll adopt M&KB and over time will come to overwhelmingly defend it - just like they didn't like lootboxes and games as a service, but they couldn't keep their fucking money in their wallets, so they learned to accept them and even like them. This is the bed they made anyhow, by not fighting back against games as a service. We're now in a market where the extended lifespan of a game for continued monetization oppertunities means the vast majority of customers are going to congregate around a very limited number of popular maypole titles. The market is becoming increasingly risky, to the point where if you don't catch lightning in a bottle - you're dead in the water. With already reduced playerbases around lesser-known titles, the LAST thing you want is a further fragmenting of the player base along what are increasingly arbitrary hardware profiles. Hence the push for crossplay, and adding M&KB support is only another step in homogenizing the playing field so that they can easily consolidate the playerbase into as large a pool as possible to draw out those shekels for a few months more before it dies.
They wanted this. They wanted crossplay. They wanted games as a service. They will, eventually, come to want M&KB.
1e3e53 No.15727901
>let's spend a thread pointing and laughing at retards
We do this every day
1e3e53 No.15727908
b008cf No.15727916
having less than 150 ping is cheating. It gives an automatic advantage of those that can't afford cable internet.
a6707b No.15727932
>>15727916
This, but unironically. For competitive online vidya to be truly fair, all players ping should be dynamically adjusted to match the highest ping player in a given server/match.
8db9bd No.15727933
This just in, people with gamma turned all the way up and settings turned to potato mode are now regarded as cheaters and have all been perma VAC banned
a6707b No.15728000
>>15727933
I wish. The kind of faggot who guts his settings to get an unfair advantage while making the game look like shit deserves that and more.
4a0758 No.15728012
>>15727844
>I'd rather console devs take more advantage of things like gyro much like how Nintendo innovated with it.
most games are multiplat, on pc most ppl use a xbone controller (or 360), so there's your reason for no support.
9f2f55 No.15728028
>Fortnite will popularize M+KB
>We will reach a point where people subhumans will keep buying locked down PCs for no reason other than tradition
Can't wait
4a0758 No.15728044
>>15727900
>thinking xbox and ps4 will have crossplay EVER
>confusing physical input schemes with monetization
>not knowing how said monetization operates in the first place
newsflash: ms tried this exact same shit then years ago, and once they figured out how it affected their bottom line (hint: more ppl play on console and most of them won't use m+kb in the fucking living room) they canned it even faster than gwfl.
b2b615 No.15728071
>>15728044
>thinking xbox and ps4 will have crossplay EVER
Xbone and PS4 has crossplay in Fortnite. Actually, any system can play with any system in that game.
f62206 No.15728078
>>15728044
>>thinking xbox and ps4 will have crossplay EVER
They already have crossplay, moron. Funniest post in the thread.
2c508d No.15728086
I don't see anything wrong with this as someone who knows KB+M is by far the superior input scheme for FPS and would never play an FPS on a console. Online game devs have a vested interest in making sure the metagame is enjoyable for the largest range of players they can reach. People who play FPS on console want to sit on a couch and use a controller. If you allow people to use KB+M, they'll blow the controllerfags away and the meta will shift to forcing you to use KB+M if you want to compete. This would make most of the console playerbase upset and stop playing.
If you want to play KB+M there already is a platform where that is standard. What's really happening here is you have a bunch of fags that are too shit to compete on an even playing field with other mousefags, so they go to a platform where they have an advantage over all the controllerfags so they can feel good about themselves for stomping. I don't know if you can literally consider that cheating but it's the same spirit.
It's like with sports. We have separate leagues for men and women because men would destroy women otherwise. Arguments about whether women should be playing sports at all aside, you can't blame them for wanting their own leagues. And while it's funny to see the butthurt and unintended redpills generated when trannies are allowed into women's leagues, you can't blame the women for getting upset that a man is allowed to kick their shit in for the sake of political correctness.
You can make a similar argument for FoV caps. Games honestly look like shit at >100 degree FoV, and devs don't want to create a situation where players are encouraged to make the game look like shit to get an advantage. They especially don't want this because streaming is a major source of advertising for games today, they don't want everyone's impressions of a game to be tainted by Quake-tier FoV settings. A cap of 90 degrees is acceptable imho, it provides an advantage in awareness without looking bad. Fuck devs that cap it any lower than that though.
FPS caps are where I draw the line. High refresh rate displays would be better for everyone, in the long run it will be better if normalfags are incentivized to buy them so the cost can go down and the greater adoption can force devs to optimize their games better.
4a0758 No.15728096
>>15728078
due to that it worked once and literally to big to ignore. sony has a massive hateboner for any other console (funny enough not pc)
>>15728071
>exceptions are the rule now
9f04de No.15728202
>>15728096
>>exceptions are the rule now
>It's just the ONE game, it's an exception
>It's just the TWO games, they're the exception
>It's just FIVE games, hardly a trend
>It's just 10% of the library, a niche that will never take off
>It's just 40% of the library, not even the majority
b2b615 No.15728204
>>15728096
<thinking humans will land on the moon EVER
>americans landed on the moon
<exceptions are the rule now
16899a No.15728251
>>15727726
>gamepad it makes using anything else cheating
You'd be surprised how effective CoD and Halo have been at brainwashing people to believe a control method that literally prevents you from doing precise first-person inputs is a valid way to play FPSs.
Pic related is from my local (((FGC))), which I'm in the process of leaving. "Claire" is a tranny and Bill is a white knight.
>>15727844
>I'd rather console devs take more advantage of things like gyro much like how Nintendo innovated with it. DS4 has it, only one that does not is the Xbone controller. I think this would be far more effective at increasing the skill ceiling than telling players they're using the wrong peripheral.
That's fine, but there's something about acknowledging console hardware that scares off developers these days, or at least the investors who give them marching orders. I'd prefer to see games with unabashed lock-on systems like old Tomb Raider games or Crackdown or Metroid Prime, since those are fundamentally better suited for console input/operation, and the amount of autoaim on any given console shooter is effectively the same thing.
4a0758 No.15728268
>>15728204
>caving for one of the biggest games ever means it will happen every time now!
>>15728204
>he thinks humans were on the moon
5a9489 No.15728278
>>15728095
>this annoying whining voice
consolefags deserve the gas
21f2f2 No.15728287
>>15727698
>K+M on consoles
At this point, why not just into PC? Jesus Christ, consoles are becoming more and more of a poor man's PC.
7cbe45 No.15728307
>>15728251
> I'd prefer to see games with unabashed lock-on systems
I agree. There's a lot of benefits to going back to lock on. I'm also seeing a lot of options for still implementing aiming into it, such as how skygunner does it where the farther you are, the closer you aim to the yellow outer ring of a locked on target in the direction they're moving in order to lead your shots to hit them. A lock on also allows for more movement options and more of a focus on design that allows you to dodge more effectively in combat.
>>15728287
what a useless and disposable opinion.
7a106b No.15728318
>>15728287
People nowadays go to consoles out of obligation or blind loyalty.
ce2960 No.15728333
>>15728268
>he thinks the soviets wouldn't call bullshit if we hadn't been there.
2a4aab No.15728367
>>15728268
>He thinks there was only one moon mission
>He thinks NASA faked six landings and an aborted mission just to win the space race
7a106b No.15728383
>>15728367
Isn't there some kind of metal plate where you can reflect a laser pointer or something?
600b63 No.15728400
>>15727698
anyone complaining about K+M having an advantage is tacitly admitting it's the more accurate and accessible method of input
at least it's better than hearing xbox kiddies insisting that the controller is better for a variety of inane and disprovable reasons
600b63 No.15728409
>>15728383
yes. That's what Mythbusters used to prove that the moon landing occurred
of course, with 6 landings, that's 5 opportunites past the first to install it there, which will doubtless be used by conspiracy theorists to disprove the original moon landing while they fail to realize that it supports the notion that at least one landing occurred
7a106b No.15728412
>>15728409
So in the end it doesn't matter if the famous first landing was fake.
a6707b No.15728426
>>15728333
>he thinks the "space race" was anything more than bread and circus
Come on now.
>>15728383
>>15728409
I've always found that to be a fascinating argument. What's uniquely special about the laser ranging system that it could not have been placed by a remotely piloted drone (rover)?
5dfc79 No.15728434
>>15728412
It'd still matter, since in that case the first still would've been most likely faked by Stanley Kubrick as is often alleged, lending credence to his being a dissident insider to spooky (((groups.))) Namely, the ones that killed him for outing them too hard in Eyes Wide Shut (and for planning to do an even more explicit film regarding elite pedophilia as his next project) and cut the film to pieces. The fact that 'they' would fake one landing meanwhile means they'd be willing to shamelessly fake other high-profile, historically monumental events for the purpose of mass manipulation.
What's this got to do with arguably unsportsmanlike use of keyboard & mouse controls, though?
e0ac07 No.15728446
>>15728251
>There are still people who believe gamepads are even comparable to mouseaim
600b63 No.15728465
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>>15728426
>What's uniquely special about the laser ranging system that it could not have been placed by a remotely piloted drone (rover)?
probably very little except remote robotics technology wasn't quite where it needed to be as far back as the ranging system is known to have existed
there are also probably no records of a lunar mission to conduct robotics tests or any other activity that would cover the installation by robot
as for whether the first moon landing was faked, I doubt Buzz Aldrin would have decked a motherfucker over it if it had been fake
a6707b No.15728478
>>15728465
>probably very little except remote robotics technology wasn't quite where it needed to be as far back as the ranging system is known to have existed
To be fair, the thing is a small box and it's just sitting there on the surface.
>I doubt Buzz Aldrin would have decked a motherfucker over it if it had been fake
Explosively losing your shit is a common human reaction to being publicly called on a serious lie.
9f04de No.15728489
>>15728465
IIRC, the soviets were the first to put a remotely piloted rover on the moon, and it also carried a laser ranger mirror. But that wasn't until the 70's, well after we were already collecting data from the laser ranger that Apollo planted.
600b63 No.15728498
>>15728478
>Explosively losing your shit is a common human reaction to being publicly called on a serious lie.
Considering the severity of the event in question, I rather think he would have had training to keep his composure if it had been fake.
On the other hand, if you were one of the first to land on the moon and for decades held yourself to the high honor such an action merits, and some faggot conspiracy theorist starts demanding an admission of fraud you would absolutely beat the shit out of the fucker
a6707b No.15728507
>>15728498
>you would absolutely beat the shit out of the fucker
I wouldn't, I'd shake my head and walk away, secure in knowing that I was the first man on the moon. On the other hand, if I had been lying about the biggest cover up in American history for decades, and some guy starts trying to publicly expose me, I might just lose my shit.
16899a No.15728513
>>15728307
One of the reasons Horizon: Zero Dawn was such a disappointment was because of the constant focus on aiming at precise body parts of moving enemies using a gamepad. It's incredibly how well that kind of gameplay would be suited to a lock-on system, with aim sway reflecting the tension in the player character's bowstring and fine adjustments being the only real aim necessary - but no, the fucksticks dumb enough to buy it just got a bad third person shooter instead.
>>15728446
I posted that exact video in response to the tranny telling us how good he was at Overcuck, but he just ignored me. A shame; I would have loved to see some fireworks.
>>15728507
>heh, kiddo, i'd be way more mature than buzz aldrin
Teach me to be cool like you, senpai.
9f04de No.15728515
>>15728507
>Explosively losing your shit is a common human reaction to being publicly called on a serious lie.
It wasn't the liar comment that got him punched. He'd been calling him a liar the whole time, and Buzz didn't give a fuck. It's when the guy called him a coward that Buzz lost his shit, and for good reason. Any one of a million tiny details could have gone wrong or been overlooked, and killed them all. He had lost friends due to accidents when shit did go wrong. And, just moreover, he was from a different generation where calling someone a coward like that and being a pushy little prick absolutely would get you laid out on your ass with a busted lip.
526185 No.15728516
So if more and more people are starting to use K+M on consoles, whats even the fucking point of getting one? Hell a computer for the price of a console could easily compete Frame rate wise, and since these shitters buy the next one every year, why not just pay double for something that could be used for 4+ years. Sage for this essentially being a console war thread. and contributing to it
a6707b No.15728527
>>15728513
I carry a firearm and am forced to interact with volatile niggers a couple times a week when they give blood for gibs. I've defused several full-on chimpouts, and I haven't mag dumped any of them yet, so I can safely say that I'm more mature than that lying old cowardly fuck who sucker punches a man for saying mean words to him.
e27947 No.15728559
>>15727698
On a related note, what's the most reliable USB controller for a PC? I want something in the Nintendo/Xbox layout (thumbsticks and buttons in the sane place), and I guess I need something with four shoulder buttons and clickable sticks). I want to play Hollow Knight how they intend me to play it, I'd like to try Cuphead properly, and I'll be emulating, so it'll be great for emulators.
a6707b No.15728564
>>15728559
>emulators
>hollow knight
>cuphead
Anon why would you want a gamepad where the dpad is in a secondary location if you're primarily going to be playing games that use the dpad?
e27947 No.15728568
>>15728564
Oh, they don't take advantage of analog sticks? Well, I still want one for emulation, at least.
a6707b No.15728582
>>15728568
The best answer is Blissbox + Original controller for any given console. You do still have your Gen 4/5/6 controllers lying around, right anon? Otherwise just get a DS4 and be done with it.
7a106b No.15728664
>>15728446
What am I looking at exactly?
7a106b No.15728670
>>15728568
>>15728559
They can use analog sticks but those games you mention don't generally use analog input.
e0ac07 No.15728687
>>15728664
Evidently, not the filename
full story is more or less some guy on the gamespot forums a while ago got into an argument with this person and claimed that a gamepad could be as good, if not better than a mouse. They set up the duel, he complained, then set up another duel.
The gamepad guy kept trying to challenge him to Duke Nukem Forever snipers of all things
7a106b No.15728702
>>15728687
So what I am watching (since is very fast paced) is the mouse player or the gamepad player?
04578f No.15728732
>>15728702
The one who recorded it is the mouse player, the one getting dunked on like a retarded animal is the controller player.
0c87a6 No.15728759
>>15727698
>Use KB+M on console
>Name yourself "Gamepads are for losers"
>Destroy everyone
>Collect Salt
7a106b No.15728760
>>15728732
I see, is the funny thing, there is always two common lines from these people.
>KbM is just an unfair advantage for the other players.
<OK, then the console manufacturers should allow full support so everyone can play on equal terms.
>No! I want to play with a controller and is just fine, that's how games are meant to be played!
<So you'd rather play crippled.
Rinse and repeat.
ea9d12 No.15728808
>>15728687
that's fucking great
5cc84c No.15728826
Anybody remember back when some PC games had an option to cap rotation speed on servers to even the field between users of mice vs. other devices?
7323f5 No.15728847
>>15728826
i don't remember any games like that. that sounds terrible and would piss me off. i would never play on that server again
eb1124 No.15728855
>>15728000
>wanting unglu textures and brown on brown colours to ruin your ability to play the game.
Low quality settings is the way games were meant to be played. Stay mad graphicscuck.
5cc84c No.15728869
>>15728847
It actually made sense in a game like Descent, since you were flying a vehicle that turned using thrusters.
>>15727757
<It's unfair to people that have worked hard to skilfully aim with a controller
>Console FPS have auto aim cheats just so people with controllers can shoot shit, there's no skill in that.
>>15728251
> I'd prefer to see games with unabashed lock-on systems like old Tomb Raider games or Crackdown or Metroid Prime, since those are fundamentally better suited for console input/operation, and the amount of autoaim on any given console shooter is effectively the same thing.
Absolutely this. If console devs stopped offering the pretension the shooter genre exists on their platform, and just admitted the "games" they're making aren't shooters at all, it would free up design room to develop those games in other directions like Overwatch does to an extent even on PC. Something else that would be nice is if, as in some early console titles like Goldenye, auto-aim was actually an option you could toggle on and off in the config menu.
912dcf No.15728877
>>15728834
And you need to start thinking since you're clearly not doing any.
The devs are limiting people, thats the problem here.
6974cd No.15728893
>play on pc if you want to use m+kb
I don't see why anyone would play anywhere else. It's the best system in every way.
b4a1b6 No.15728937
>>15727762
The PS3 reads Chinese PlayStation controller adapters without issue. The PS4 plays fine with Chinese bluetooth keyboards… but only for typing and such, not controlling game characters.
>>15728095
Christ, I thought I'd never hear that kind of (((kvetching))) after I obliterated the fuck out of retards in Cowadoody MW2 by LYING ON THE FUCKING GROUND AND SNIPING THEM FOR THE WHOLE MATCH WITHOUT MOVING. You don't have to be good to win, you just have to not be retarded.
>>15728287
>At this point, why not just into PC?
I do not want to infest my computer with such cancer. Also, you can borrow console games and play online without having to jump through a bunch of hoops.
>>15728527
I carry a firearm and until recently, had to deal with kvetching jews screaming about the cost of roaming in Isnotarealcountry, pavement apes claiming everyone was racist for suspending them for not paying their bills for two months, threats of violence, HR cunts lying about sexual harassment, and everything else that would make you want to pull someone's bottom jaw off and put their fucking eyes out with it, and I support Aldrin engaging the shit-slapper 1.0.
717fa2 No.15728979
>>15728893
>muh plug & play
>muh couch gaming
>muh $2000 PC
And other such easily debunked arguments.
f5509a No.15728988
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>>15727698
Well not tangentially connected with consoleturds crying about their auto-aim and hitbox shit. But here's Resident Evil Dead Aim with a USB Mouse, because no lightguns for you who bought the NA version.
afb4f0 No.15729006
>>15727698
From these articles, it sounds like the hold up for Console manufactures is not pissing off their retarded playerbase actually pays for online.
5399be No.15729015
>>15728877
You're the one not thinking. Devs limit an input device? It's not like there are third party tools/ plugins e.t.c. to get around their intentions. It's always been this way since the first console gen. You're either too young to remember it's always been like this or you're willfully ignorant in which case you're double retarded for proving my point of my previous post.
443475 No.15729036
>>15727698
>admit that KB+M is objectively the superior way to interact with a game
>call for its banning instead of switching to KB+M themselves
Why do they insist on using something that they admit is shittier?
7a106b No.15729039
>>15729036
Because "consoles are meant to be played with a controller."
d045d9 No.15729072
You know what's really funny about that picture?
One of the most premium examples of "mechanical skill" in a console FPS, the 360 noscope had always been
A means of abusing auto aim and the lack of a center of mass magnetism in fps games
418ac3 No.15729081
17c1ab No.15729091
>>15729036
Why adapt when you can ban the competition?
1577e5 No.15729101
>>15729036
Because it's easier to ask others to change rather than to change yourself.
3103c4 No.15729113
>>15727698
>it's unfair to the people that have worked hard to skillfully aim with a controller
How is it hard to look in the general direction of your target and let the aim assist do the job for you?
5399be No.15729131
>>15729123
This is your brain on retard juice.
5399be No.15729132
>>15729131
Also 10630 posts holy fuck, what forum is this?
7a106b No.15729142
>>15729132
Same, the OW forums, you should see the thread I made about hypothetical hero banning, some people cry as if I was actually proposing with 51% shares on Blizzard or something when it was just for fun and for people who kind of hate certain heroes to vent.
f68a13 No.15729184
>>15728478
>Explosively losing your shit is a common human reaction to being publicly called on a serious lie.
No it's usually the opposite. Liars are cool and calm because they know they're full of shit. People who keep getting shit for telling the truth quickly lose it.
4d62c3 No.15729186
I think the biggest problem is that people use XIM or whatever it's called to emulate a controller and keep the aim assist while using a mouse.
The fix for this is to just play shooters on PC like they were meant to be played
9f04de No.15729370
>>15729006
>From these articles, it sounds like the hold up for Console manufactures is not pissing off their retarded playerbase actually pays for online.
Then the solution to that is obvious. Stop extorting your players with a multiplayer paywall scam and find a subtler way to bilk them - like GamePass and console leasing/contracts - with maybe a few other incentives that cost you fuckall, but you can pretend are expensive.
At this point, PSN/XBL are really just shitty game rentals of the month club, tethered to muliayer because nobody would give them a dime for those shit games on their own - as Sony found out. Even the console tards are waking up to the scam, so since it's already just a crippled redundant game subscription service, just fold it into gamepass and drop the pretense. Take a hit for a year or two, then hike the price for gamepass up and by that time the higher cost over time for console leases will be making up the rest of the deficit.
68d8b8 No.15729387
>>15727726
>literally is a superlative
Can you literally stop? It's literally incorrect. Literally, you're a piece of shit. Literally.
2bbaf2 No.15729432
>>15728446
Came here to post that WEBM. Guess I'll just post an example of "marksmanship" on consoles.
333f73 No.15729443
>>15729432
What the fuck, is that a cutscene
9b4713 No.15729478
>>15729443
>He doesn't remember The Order: 1886
6974cd No.15729486
>>15728287
>consoles are becoming more and more of a poor man's PC.
You can get a gaming rig for about the same price of a console. Got any semi-decent computer there? Add a GTX 1050ti for $150. Done! And better than a PS4!
276db4 No.15729502
>>15728869
Action/shooting games without aiming mechanics are fine on console. You just have to design the game around movement, not aiming. Games like Counter-Strike are designed around aiming. Vanquish is a good example of what a console shooter should be like.
a8b61f No.15729584
>>15729486
Assuming you have nothing (not even a case), you can get the whole package for between $300-500 depending on sales and if you can find used parts. Also I'd consider the RX 570 over the 1050 ti personally.
a8b61f No.15729633
>>15728937
>Also, you can borrow console games and play online without having to jump through a bunch of hoops.
You retards need to pay to play online but somehow PC is more complicated?
f70d7d No.15729648
>>15729486
>>You can get a gaming rig for about the same price of a console.
>implying you could buy a PC gaymer rig for the price of an used console in good condition at 100-150 bucks, or even below if you're lucky enough
>especially during and after the bitcoin meme
>thinking you can put a graphic card like that on a pre-built aka the shit that most people own in general
>>And better than a PS4!
I remember being a fag who fell into the PC master race meme too many years ago
Cant say I recommend a PS4 now because of Commiefornia Sony recently taking the lead on an international level and eclipsing SCEJ to nothing.
f70d7d No.15729712
>>15729693
>implying asking for internet help in the choice of components doesnt involve retards recommending overpriced shit overpowered for your personal use
>anon thinks most people own already a spec-personalized rig
>graphics cards from the previous generation still cost more or less the same as they were 2 years ago, and the newer ones have a starting price set rather high in comparison to their predecessors
And that's not even dwelling into the fact that Win10 is a pain in the ass that you have to deal with if you plan to buy new hardware components. Even if you go through multiple hoops to install Win7, you may end up with missing features from your motherboard because lack of official support/drivers.
3400d7 No.15729726
I still have yet to understand why ANYONE would want to use a gamepad over KB+M for FPS games, it just makes no sense to me
7ee9c1 No.15729727
Remember when consolefags back in the day used to say that a controller is just as good if not better for shooters?
Thank you, USB ports.
3400d7 No.15729734
>>15729712
>>15729648
I bought some basic shit components like 5 years ago for about $300 and the thing was able to play ARMA 3 fine with medium settings overall. If I spent a little more for a better video card it'd run just fine. Fags just need to learn to look for themselves and put something together, it's retarded how easy it is. Also the fuck are you using Win10 for? Win7 is still perfectly fine
c0974a No.15729740
>>15728251
how does your local fgc get so pozzed? ppl in mine are like normal ppl or trolls, maybe 1 lefty.
5cc84c No.15729753
>>15729015
There has always been a steady trickle of console FPSs with mouse support:
PSX:
>Quake 2
>Final Doom
>Alien: Resurrection
Saturn:
>Duke Nukem 3D
DC:
>Unreal Tournament
>Quake 3
>Rainbow 6: RS
>Hidden & Dangerous
>Soldier of Fortune
>Outrigger
>Geomatrix
PS2:
>Unreal Tournament
>Half-Life
>Deus Ex
>Star Trek: EF
>Red Faction 2
>Dirge of Cerberus
6974cd No.15729757
>>15729712
>anon thinks most people own already a spec-personalized rig
Well, that's fucking stupid. You don't need a spec-personalized rig. Just get one of those refurbished office machines, add a decent video card, total about $300 and it's way better than a current console.
574ca7 No.15729773
>>15729734
when I built my pc i pirated win7 and tried to install via usb but there was some drivers issue. So i followed a guide to put those drivers on the usb too and my pc still wouldn't install 7. Then I decided 7 isn't worth this effort so I got win10 ultimate and followed guides to disable telemetry.
f70d7d No.15729800
>>15729734
>Fags just need to learn to look for themselves and put something together, it's retarded how easy it is.
Easier said than done. Unless you're willing to spend a large amount of hours researching and understanding the proper components that fit within your personal use and budget both, that's not likely to happen.
>Also the fuck are you using Win10 for? Win7 is still perfectly fine
I was talking about newer CPUs and motherboards that no longer support Win7, and the hoops "fix" create more problems in return.
>>15729738
okay autistic anon here's your (you)
>>15729757
Lenovo ThinkCentre was actually my very first desktop as a gift when I was in high school 10 years ago. But if you honestly believe you can just swap a gaming graphic card without taking into consideration the necessary amount of draw power or eventual additional connectors (that an office machine doesnt necessarily have with its little PSU) alongside with the size (office computers are generally really small and may not have a good airflow either), then that's stupid as fuck. There is also the whole CPU/GPU bottleneck
cb99b0 No.15729820
>>15729726
Consolefags don't use KB+M and as such don't know how superior it is. It's just that simple. It's a fox looking up at grapes and saying they must taste terrible because he'll never reach them.
5cc84c No.15729825
>>15729757
Agreed with your sentiment, but:
>posts pic of "small form factor" machine without that require either a riser or an overpriced dinky gpu
Don't do that.
>>15729800
>Unless you're willing to spend a large amount of hours researching and understanding the proper components that fit within your personal use and budget both, that's not likely to happen.
Teach a man to fish and all that
>the necessary amount of draw power
Other anon req'd a 1050Ti upthread, those can run on straight mobo power
f70d7d No.15729862
>>15729825
My current build has a Zotac 1050Ti Mini but I HIGHLY doubt that you can run its draw power on a office computer PSU, especially in the long run. I'd rather have a proper and reliable atx-sized PSU modular ones are the best but quite expensive like the one I have now. But at this point, we're aiming for a full-fledged personal rig rather than using an office computer.
>>15729826
I know what I'm talking about since my build has a bit of a bottleneck due of the CPU I'm using (because I didnt feel like paying the premium price for an Intel quad-core and AMD at the time was meh). At least try to not rage like an autistic kid too much
16899a No.15729871
>>15729740
Such is life in leafland.
c0974a No.15729892
>>15729871
>Canada
oh… I'm in Australia, land of the shitposters.
16899a No.15729906
>>15729892
You have my envy and respect.
c09072 No.15729922
>>15729825
>>posts pic of "small form factor" machine without that require either a riser or an overpriced dinky gpu
Thing is you don't always get the choice, not so long ago I was looking for the cheapest possible decent rig I could find and the cheapest was an SFF box for 80 bucks with an i5 2500 and 4GB of RAM, same thing in regular form factor was like 130 bucks, low profile cards aren't that much worse or that much more pricy that it's really that big of an issue,
936308 No.15729937
>>15729871
Man at least that guy has people playing fighting games. It's all fortnite and smash at my locals.
c0974a No.15729943
>>15729871
>>15729906
my fgc is bad, just differently
>Away from FGC for a few years.
>Friend and I decide to randomly participate
>Blazblue filled to the brim with newbies
>Haven't played since BBCT(The first one)
>We win first and second place
fugg my locale can't level up at all, went back to playing online games
33ce8b No.15730056
>>15729712
>>15729800
holy shit it's not hard
>mobo from literally almost any mobo vendor (e.g. Gigabyte, ASUS, Asrock, MSI); pick board that adjusts to needs (chipset, form factor, expansion slots, i/o ports, audio codec, autism, etc.), make sure it has heatsinks over VRMs
>find out current low-mid range CPUs (e.g. ryzen 2000 3 or 5 series, Intel current i3 or i5)
>find out current mid-range GPU (or wait til next gen and buy previous gen's mid-high range for discount). bonus points for researching non-reference cards (may have higher clocks, better cooling, be smaller, etc.)
>8-12 GB (12-16 if playing AAA shit) non-bottom of the barrel (i.e. non-generic no-name shit) RAM
>PSU with enough wattage (use a wattage calculator, 12v rail is most important) from a non-shit series (e.g. cheapest Corsair PSUs are often shit) of a non-shit brand (e.g. Seasonic, Antec, EVGA, NZXT, Corsair), 80-PLUS certification is often a good indicator
>literally any fucking hard drive for home use (i.e. don't waste money on WD Gold enterprise HDDs)
>any case with intake and exhaust fan for mobo form factor and long enough for GPU. bonus points if good cable management
if you have so limited an attention span that you can't be assed to search for an hour or 2 then you shouldn't be here.
276db4 No.15730102
>>15729712
>I'm too incompetent to read benchmark charts and use Newegg
>It's bad because there are retards who give bad advice
Seriously?
deeffb No.15730173
>>15729937
>that guy
That guy is me. There are barely any people who play Guilty Gear at my locals, and they're either novices or way better than I am.
The local Smash scene is actually one of the stronger scenes in Canada outside of Toronto, which is a shame because it's several times the size of the FG scene.
936308 No.15730227
>>15730173
Man I'd swap locals with you any day, and I don't even own any of those games. At least you have options.
>that autocombo
That's just depressing.
afb4f0 No.15732610
>>15729820
>Consolefags don't use KB+M and as such don't know how superior it is. It's just that simple. It's a fox looking up at grapes and saying they must taste terrible because he'll never reach them.
That isn't the case. In fact, they consider it cheating and want to ban people from using it.
>>15729370
What I meant was
<From these articles, it sounds like the hold up for Console manufactures is not wanting to pissing off their retarded playerbase that actually retarded enough to pay for online. Thus, they want a system that make "cheating" impossible.
430c0d No.15732900
>>15728251
tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if you could be good with a controller in >overwatch
fc22a0 No.15732976
>>15727847
>now he is shilling his YT channel and admits he has an XBone Elite controller (the ones that allow macros)
What a fucking autist
7a106b No.15732995
fc22a0 No.15733008
>>15732995
>aim assist makes your aim worse
God damn, nigger is a full on brainlet
f70d7d No.15733044
>>15730056
>holy shit it's not hard
Never said it was for me personally and I know all the shit you said (otherwise I wouldnt be able to build my own PC). I stated that it was "easier said than done" for someone who have little to not knowledge in computer hardware shit
5cc84c No.15734665
>>15733008
Obviously he's wrong about average performance, but I can recall a lot of cases in PC games with auto-aim like Max Payne where my shots would be redirected into walls when I'm trying to hit an enemy peeking out from a corner.
b57beb No.15735086
>>15733008
There's two main autaim variant, snapping and magic bullets,
Snapping can in some case if you're not used to it and it centers automatically on your aiming point unlike Timesplitters / 007 etc it can feel jarring and lead to you performing worse until you get used to it
Magic bullets can also straight up fuck you in some case where they simply decide to go into an obstacle instead of where you're aiming because only a small part of the enemy is exposed
962e3e No.15735374
>>15729113
>image
>testicle physics, not boob physics
What's wrong with you?
3400d7 No.15735468
>>15729800
>Unless you're willing to spend a large amount of hours researching
Are you a nigger? All you have to do is spend maybe an hour or two just looking for shit. It's retarded how easy it is today to put together a perfectly fine PC for whatever you want to use it for
5cc84c No.15735501
>>15735468
Spending a few minutes reading Logical Increments isn't hard, but I remember being terrified I'd fuck something up the first time I swapped an internal HDD back in the mid-90s, though all the intimidation did evaporate pretty much immediately, and I dove into doing a piece-by-piece system upgrade soon after. It's something imbued into normalfags, easily overcome, but pretty universal.
Normalfags just need to be deprogrammed
25f789 No.15744844
>>15727716
>Keyboards are actually the superior control method for fighting games.
Sure they are anon. Sure they are.