/v/ - Video Games

>>15673976

You can always start again.

>>15673859

Pics or it didn't happen

>>15674045

I know, but thinking about how much time I wasted bothers me.

>>15674112

You won't get it back anyway. Concentrate on the present and not the past, or something.

I want to put my dick into sega consoles

Good, these threads still exist. Are there any decks that specialize in grammar/particles?

>>15676614

Expected Tae Kim as I'm still at the essential grammar section, but should do for later. Thank you.

お酒が欲しいです。

>>15676466

my story then

>start learning five years ago

>still doing it

>starting to understand some very basic shit

why am I still doing this?

>>15677821

Are you only trying to learn and not practicing at all?

>>15677831

I'm trying to read, mostly nhk easy news with tangoristo because that's what I can read, and some graded readers. But at least I managed to get some からかい上手の高木さん manga, it looks simple enough, but not as annoying as よつばと！

>>15678003

I imagine Dekanai-chan spitting in my face and calling me a retard in very elaborate ways every day and this is only going to stop once I've learned to tell her to fuck off fluently in at least 30 different ways in Japanese.

>>15677831

Unfamiliar words and some pretty advanced grammar (which tend to be mistaken for words) tend to be a hindrance.

>>15678777

You won't actually make such a commitment from getting dubs

>>15673859

>needing a teacher

Just start learning by yourself and date that cutie.

>>15678792

He will from getting trips though

>>15678831

You won't, retard.

>>15676466

＞初めましての方は初めまして

なんだコレ?

>>15683777

For people who have just started/started here nice to meet you? You should really brush up on your japanese Jesus.

>>15683955

>>15683777

When even use 方 as person when 人 is a thing? Tripped me up in one of the Anki decks.

>>15684583

>why are synonyms

方 is more polite and formal, it's like ladies/gentlemen instead of just people.

>>15684620

緊迫の時は続く

>>15685438

サンキュー

>>15685396

I swear to God, that and kanji getting ditched for words in some sentences are going to be the death of me.

>>15678003

>understanding speaking through reading

Not sure I comprehend.

>>15682785

If I get dubs he will learn Japanese.

>>15690796

if dubs I will laugh at you and him

>>15690801

well fuck

>五線譜

What's the etymology behind this?

>>15694198

>五線 5-lines

>譜 written music

ergo western style written music with a 5 line staff, sheet music.

If singles I won't learn Japanese

Phew

>>15697408

The も particle here is kinda like an inclusive particle. Someone in the game says "fuck you", so she says something that would be like "for me too, fuck you" or "fuck you too".

Does someone have the namasensei "You're stupid" webm?

>>15698282

失墜のどん底へと突き落とされるが

>>15698309

thanks anon that's really helpful

but are you sure about 突き落とされるが? I think it sounds more like 突き落とすのが but idk if that makes sense.

>>15698347

I'm not 100% sure on the form, but I know for sure it's a variant of the verb 突き落とす for sure. What is the rest of the sentence after that?

>>15698367

that's the entire sentence. the context is he's losing and he starts losing more.

>>15698380

Well, sentences never end with 突き落とすのが.　

>>15698392

i think it's just the narration style of the show, the narrator constantly ends his sentences like that so that whatever happens next in the game is the continuation of what he was going to say.

>>15698473

>believing that economic reasons are the only possible reasons anyone has to learn a language

There's your mistake, nigger.

>>15698473

If your main priority is economic, then learn some variety of pajeet, chink, or shitskin. There's a billion chinks, a billion pajeets, and a billion african shitskins.

>>15697962

Thanks.

Any of you people who are going to classes tell me what your experiences have been like or what to look for in a school? I'm thinking of taking a class just to at least get me on my feet and set me in a direction. Since I have such a fucking hard time starting things myself because I over-analyze and never actually do shit. Or if any of you happen to be in/near Toronto can actually recommend a good school.

Whats the difference between o and õ, what do you call that tilde above the vowel thing

any game for small kids to use only kanas?

Well, I managed to break Anki for a day. NOT looking for input on whether my habits here are good, bad, or completely insane, but I procrastinated/got behind and was working on yesterday's work until "23 hours after midnight". Well, Anki was going to reset and give me today's work whether I wanted it or not, and I had about 15 minutes left of stuff to do first, so I changed my PC time zone to give me an extra hour. That worked fine for what I wanted, the problem is when I set it back. Probably because Anki was already set to "23 hours after midnight" at this point, but when I set the clock forward again Anki advanced to "0 hours after midnight" and decided based on that that all the work that I did was today's work and I don't get anything more until tomorrow. I guess that's technically more accurate to just say that I missed yesterday anyway, but regardless, bugs and shit.

>>15700790

I've never taken a class, but if I were to I'd probably go with one on one lessons over a group class if possible. There's not much to gain by interacting with other people also still inept at the language.

Where can I find the Yotsuba Reading Pack? The version on DJT is paid.

オハヨウ皆さん元気?

Finished most of Tae Kim's complete guide. The guy's wonderful. Great resource for learning the language, and it's free. Thinking about buying the book out of gratitude. Want to start to read. I have some vocabulary, most of the grammar and know a few hundred Kanji symbols. Are there any simple stories for children that I'd be able to get through?

>>15702526

It's not, read the site thoroughly.

>>15702947

You could just try some easier manga. Yotsubato is a common beginner recommendation but you could pick anything you like and try it for a chapter or two to gauge if it's too difficult for your current level. If you want recommendations for a specific genre try asking. There is fairy tale type stuff like that somewhere in the OP but honestly manga can be better a better starter because some of the vocabulary in those stories isn't always exactly daily use stuff. More common dialogue between high-schoolers will probably do you better.

>>15700790

I took some classes- it's pretty helpful (especially early on) to have some structure, though of course it isn't necessary. What I'd mainly look for is an actual Japanese teacher, so you can pester them with everything from actual language questions to random bullshit you find on the internets- interest is what will get you to a decent reading level, and keeping your interest means finding shit that amuses you. If the teacher ends up being an asshole then at least you'll have some basic vocabulary and grammar down.

>>15705318

Depending on the extent, it's probably not too much of an issue. It's likely you just don't know the words and characters well enough yet and with further exposure and as you learn more and more words that will improve. Some mix-ups in the learning phase are to be expected. Particularly as a beginner to the language. For problem words you could try adding extra steps to your review process, such as writing out words while reciting them character by character or even just going out of your way to visually focus on individual characters in a word as you pronounce their respective sounds. Maybe you'll remember better seeking out audio to hear words spoken. Try out some different methods to see what works for you.

Say someone was retarded enough to want to learn Japanese to play eroge (Saya No Uta, Fate/Stay Night shit) assuming 15 minutes a day, how long would it take on average to get that profecient? 2 years? And what would it be analogous too test wise. JPL N2~1?

>>15707526

I'm looking at a few hours a day (at least two hours in my case) as opposed to minutes. You need to take grammar into account too. I would like to know more about the JPL though. Right now my pet peeve (well, more like weakness) is my overreliance on kanji. Too many times I read stuff in pure kana that I should've been able to decipher easily.

>>15707551

>>15707555

The meme I always hear is "15 minutes a day". Of course I will probably be able to do more but if I can't set any clear roadmap in my head I'll just give up after a month. Like the last two times

>>15707555

>Too many times I read stuff in pure kana that I should've been able to decipher easily.

Isn't the entire point of kanji that Japanese has so many homonyms they're impossible to keep track of without context? I think you're just using kanji correctly anon.

>>15707566

15 minutes a day is a joke. You'd take forever to get to even a basic level at that rate.

>>15707592

So an hour? Six? What is the consensus?

>>15707598

I doubt you could find a consensus. An hour minimum would be okay for making some progress. If you really want to learn a lot and quick, you'd want a few hours a day. That's vocab grinding, grammar study, possibly studying kanji, and native material consumption. A few minutes is barely time to review anything, without even learning anything new. It also depends on how efficient you are learning and how good your memory is. It gets easier to dump a lot of time into it as you go since you'll spend more time reading shit, playing games, and so on and not just strictly studying.

>>15707620

Okay, an hour a day minimum is okay but as I expected and already stated, I agree that more is better. While there are many factors involved that I'll need to figure out and adjust as time goes on, assuming said hour a day. 2 years? Again, I want realistic expectations so I don't feel like shit for barely improving the first 6 (possibly more) months.

I suppose a better question might be, how complex are eroge compared to say, LN which are aimed at teenagers? Very adult sentence structure right? I've heard doujins are relatively simple in grammar and kanji.

>>15707643

2-3 hours a day, depending on how slow you are will be enough to get you either N2 or N1 level in two years. But if you are a bad learner you might need more.

>>15707722

Thank you for giving me a figure to work with.

>>15707643

The chuuni sort of eroge like those you mentioned tend to be on the more difficult side from what I hear. Haven't delved much into that genre myself. But something like your average SoL eroge or nukige aren't usually difficult. A lot of doujin manga are on the easy side. Doujin games, as well as light novels, can kind of go either way. But it all depends. An hour a day for a few months is fine up until you reach basic usability. Once you can read/listen to some easier material, with a dictionary, it's not hard to spend a couple extra hours most days reading some manga or what have you to make further strides. If you do something like that, have decent study methods, and are consistent, I don't think it's unrealistic that you should be able to handle at least some more difficult material, with a dictionary, by around the two year mark.

>>15707578

Well in this case, I was practicing on these.

https://exhentai.org/s/c10b32478e/1216086-1

https://exhentai.org/s/b6e31c32c7/1258328-1

I look for something small with not too much in the way of words (that I don't know), find its translated version, and NOT look at the latter until I feel like checking my comprehension. Stop me if it's a crap practicing method but while I got the slightest gist of what she was saying, I was stumped on a few words until I checked the English version, and damn near slapped myself out of sheer stupidity on my part. Basically, I'm used to the the likes of 疲れる and 仕事 rather then the all kana depicted. Granted, it's likely like that to demonstrate the childish way of speaking.

Then again, I don't keep count of how many words I know and I'm prioritizing grammar so who knows if I should be at this step of my studies.

>>15707917

>click on link

>oh sadpanda

>whatever, it's probably not important

>>15707643

1 hour/day for 2 years won't be enough for anything, unless, of course, you're much better at learning than me which is probably true

ボブ: 授業があるんじゃない?

If I understand this grammar correctly, another way to ask this would be ないの? Instead of あるんじゃない? Right?

>>15707851

t. fat monkey

On the DJT page there's mention of people starting to read straight away but how the fuck can anyone cope with that? I get so annoyed needing to look up several Kanji/words that I just lose motivation instantly.

How much ground do I need to cover before it gets down to an acceptable level of reading interruption?

The rote memorization and learning is fun, but I'm so impatient I just wanna dive into real text deciphering asap.

>>15709528

You can't run before learning to walk.

>>15709497

Bob's making sure there is a lesson, not if there isn't a lesson. You can add a の to the end, but I don't think you can't replace あるんじゃない with ないの, that'd change the sentence

>>15709528

Use Kanjitomo so you can learn how to walk while running

>>15709975

Kanjitomo is great but it doesn't always work, it depends heavily on the image resolution and stuff like that. That said, it should be good for most VNs.

>>15707917

They can be helpful as a beginner but keep in mind that a lot of translations aren't of the best quality. If something seems off, get a second opinion. Go independent as soon as you can handle it.

>>15709528

Try doing some reading while disregarding some of the unknown. If it's not integral to the story, game objective, etc., then try relying on context to get the gist or just skip over it. If you notice certain words popping up again and again or otherwise are just curious, deem them important enough to look up. It's a nice break from more diligent reading and good practice for when you've no choice but to rely on context.

>>15711971

>but there's more to it

*for the んじゃない part

>>15714075

>recipient of the target

recipient of the present*

Probably a stupid question: What's the difference in books that look identical aside from being marked 上/中/下? Difficulty, parts of a series, something else?

>>15714075

くれた shows that the giving is being done to(wards) the speaker.

>>15714075

>I finally got Kanjitomo running, after downloading an older version of Java (8). The newest one refused to work.

Wait, what? I haven't used Kanjitomo in some time but I think I've been updating Java. Fortunatley, it still works. Maybe the java prompts are something else but I hope I don't have to downgrade. Can't rely on TA+ITH compatible stuff forever.

>Also, someone please explain how pic related shows any indication that the recipient of the target was "me" instead of the friend. It seems completely ambiguous to me so far.

All I can say is that Japanese is a very context based language and/or what >>15714234 said.

>>15714234

So if I wanted to say that the friend received a present instead, would swapping the が to は work?

>友達は誕生日プレゼントをくれた。

Or how would it look like?

>>15714330

It's probably because I'm still on W7, and I changed a lot of settings. The newest Java doesn't seem to let Kanjitomo run because of some problem with transparent windows or something. I'm not sure, but I reckon it's a unique problem on my end, not anything to worry about for others.

>>15714369

I'm on Windows 7 too, but on the laptop. Same for the PC proper but Kanjitomo opens as if it was a .rar/.zip file despite being .jar. Then again, I don't think I put anything java related on it (same goes for any Windows updates ever, which I hope isn't related).

>>15714339

あげる is used to show giving away from the speaker. If you (the speaker) weren't part of the giving at all, you have to just choose one. Since it's a friend, you might use くれる since something is coming from the outside world to someone close to you.

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/favors

This explains, and has similar example sentences:

>私が友達にプレゼントをあげた。

>I gave present to friend.

<友達が私にプレゼントをくれた。

<Friend gave present to me.

>>15714663

Thank you!

>>15715035

皆「みんな・みな」- Everyone, all, everybody.

>>15714075

くれる is also only really used in context of close friends and family members. I think you can summarize it with:

Giver は receiver に object を あげる

Giver は receiver(speaker) に object を くれる

Receiver は giver に object を もらう

>>15714209

It's a trilogy. 上 first volume, 下 last. じょう・ちゅう・げ for pronunciation.

>>15719916

が can be used like の in that respect, but it's more old-fashioned, formal, and most often used only with certain words.

>>15720098

Can you elaborate on "certain words"?

>>15720141

Just read more.

Why 週末 and 未だ exist with the (shyu)matsu and ma(da) being different kanji? Please explain.

>>15720462

Because they are different kanji with different readings. What is there to explain?

>>15720501

I just now realized that the length of the lines is switch and it is minimal difference anyway.

>>15720703

1989六四天安門事件

Shoo shoo chink

>>15719916

Because 我が is a single word.

>>15721894

A word has the same meaning in kanji or kana, although some are more common in one or the other. まだ is typically kana.

>>15721894

It it was written 未だ I would be more likely to read it いまだ than まだ.

>>15721914

Fair enough, ty.

>>15721924

Where are you getting the い from?

>>15721943

From the word いまだ.

>>15721965

Perhaps I'm extra retarded here, but (ignoring 若い) where would an い come from in

>彼は未だ若いです。

>>15722018

Point your rikai at it and tell me what you see.

>>15722052

Oh.

>>15719916

Mostly just 我. 君が代 is the only other modern usage that I've personally encountered that I can think of. Anything else you can worry about when it comes up.

>>15725272

Pretty good taste. How much did those cost? I like importing stuff but it gets so expensive.

Hey guys. So took a couple japanese classes at uni. I can take a Kanji class which is supposed to teach 500 kanji. I am taking a lot of classes so I'm just wondering if this will be really difficult. Do you think it is worth it? It is completely optional class so I can always take something way easier.

>>15727003

Should also probably mention that I want to teach english in Japan. one of the reason I am taking this class is so that I can know lots of kanji before I go there.

>>15727003

>I can take a Kanji class which is supposed to teach 500 kanji.

Shouldn't you learn this in the Japanese classes? Seems like of a waste, might as well just take the Japanese class and supplement your studying with RTK or Kodansha.

>>15727222

You're not teaching with 500 kanji under your belt. Even if you are chances are you're just going to have a terrible time.

I doubt it'll be "hard" considering formal classes take their sweet fucking time teaching the most basic topics. If you don't have free time to spare I really don't recommend attempting to learn a language, though, since the prospect in itself is pretty time consuming and you're not going to reach fluency stuck in a shitty classroom.

>>15727533

I've been teaching myself since I starting learning japanese, just use class to supplement. Lately haven't had much time to study a lot. I guess you and >>15727482 are right, I wouldn't learn much doing classroom learning.

Also our regular japanese class taught us abou 100- 150 basic kanji. I've been grinding anki so my kanji is getting better but I need to study more before I can even dream of hitting 2000.

How to you check how many Kanji have been covered in Anki?

Could someone help to better explain the difference between the topic particle (は) and the identifier particle (が) and when to use which? I keep mixing the two.

This might help. I'm betting you are reading Tae Kim right now, probably getting stuck on the example exercises. A different source/explanation can help with that.

>>15728371

Porn, vidya, untranslated manga/anime/dramas, appreciation for their ethnostate, unique culture, bragging rights, economic utility, becoming a fully realized wielder of the katana and samurai armor, mastering tea ceremonies and wearing traditional clothing while watching fireworks. Going flower viewing and praying at shrines.

Nigger just learn it if it interests you, or don't. I learned English primarily for vidya.

>>15728698

You sure because I just got the answers wrong by using one when I should have used the other.

>>15728671

>>15729295

Okay, boiling it down, 「が」 puts emphasis on the preceding character meanwhile 「は」 puts emphasis on the following character?

>>15679136

Let me try this. My translation goes two ways though, since English is not my native language.

英訳されて「トランプめ！」って言ってたら

アメリカにロケ行かれへんかも

When I say "Damn Trump" in the English translation, I think the american localization is going to end up strange.

違う違う

そういう意味jっやないですよ

No, no. It's not what it means.

>>15731058

>アメリカにロケ行かれへんかも

Arino's accent is getting in the way- 行かれへん is 行かせません, or "won't be allowed to go". Also ロケ is short for "location" but its meaning is more like "onsite", as in actually going and doing something onsite instead of in the studio.

<We might not be allowed to go film onsite in America [anymore].

>>15731087

Appreciated, anon. I have a lot to learn.

I thought that へん was 変, so I kinda rolled with it. Not only you have to learn nipponese, but you also need to learn accents.

>>15731064

screen cap it

>>15727892

There's an add-on called kanji grid you can use. Tools>Add-ons. I think it might be for single selected decks; not sure you can check all decks at once.

>>15731087

>行かせません

行けない

>>15731243

https://archive.is/8xJbQ

You're right, it's 行けない. So >>15731087 should be "We might not be able" instead of "We might not be allowed".

>>15728371

I once heard that there's an entire country that you can visit that has people who speak it. Not sure if that's true though :^)

I memorized the hiragana and katakana from Tae Kim, but didn't go further. I wanted to pronounce words correctly, and ended up with Dogen's pitch accent lessons. It looks like a pain in the ass to go through all the words to sound out whatever word. Anyone have good method for practicing pitch accents?

How does this website compare to what you're all using? I was using this yesterday to learn some hiragana and the mnemonics seem a little helpful

https://www.tofugu.com/japanese/learn-hiragana

>>15732578

>Why not appreciation for your own?

My people have lost all self respect and don't cherish their own legacy anymore.

Maybe something will change in my lifetime about that, but I doubt it. I look to greener pastures.

>>15732541

When it comes to the basic alphabet (hiragana and katakana) what matters is only that you memorize it, so if their mnemonics work for you then go for it. I learned the katakana symbol for ム as

>it's a piece of cheese with a bite taken out of it. Who took the bite? A moose!

because moose starts with "mu". That's dumb as fuck but I'll never forget ム so it serves its purpose.

>>15732578

>vidya is degenerate

Then why are you here?

>>15730544

That's a pretty huge simplification.

話しのポイントを書き取った。

>Wrote down the talking points.

or

>I wrote down the main points of what was said.

They both sound okay to me but which is more accurate in the long run?

Why are 帰る and 変える pronounced the same?

Is the only way to find out which word is being used in spoken language from context?

>>15742227

Welcome to Japanese, tons of words have the same pronunciation. Yes context will help you know which word is used most of the time. It's like "their", "there", and "they're" in English.

>>15742315

>Yes context will help you know which word is used most of the time. It's like "their", "there", and "they're" in English.

Wouldn't it be close to homonyms such as "fluke" which can be in reference to a fish, the end parts of an anchor, the fins on a whale's tail, or a stroke of luck?

>>15742803

That too. I was just referencing words that sound the same but have different meanings, making context necessary to know their spoken meanings.

>>15742227

Yes. Context is everything and Japanese is filled with homonyms.

For example, 口内射精大会 and 校内写生大会 are read the same way.

Though with 帰る/変える/蛙 there's slight differences in pitch accent that makes differentiating the words easier. Same for, for example, 橋/箸/端. Most natives tend to derive meaning from context rather than pitch regardless, but it's a good thing to keep in mind the next time you listen to those words just to learn what the subtle differences in pronounciation are.

>>15742227

They belong to different verb groups and conjugate differently. They're only the same in dictionary form.

What's the best place to look up kanji online? Are there any good, free kanji dictionaries?

>>15732541

Don't bother with fancy mnemonics or writing the kana down for practice. Just do it all in you head. Visualize them over and over again. Shouldn't take your more than a few hours to learn them to the point that you'll never forget. It's good practice if you're bad at visualizing, too.

Genki answer key doesn't work, any help

>>15747747

I like https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/ for plain Japanese, but it's not comprehensive. Some less common ones I've searched for were missing. Kanji entries are marked 漢字項目. If I ever want English or simply readings, I just use rikaisama.

>>15747747

I use Jim Breen's dictionary.

http://www.edrdg.org/cgi-bin/wwwjdic/wwwjdic (there are mirrors if this one's too slow for where you are)

It's got multiple ways to look up kanji; personally I use the SKIP method but use whatever works for you.

>>15748448

For jap only I usually check kotobank.jp

>>15750199

What site is that? I couldn't tell an audible difference from the anki audio files, but yeah that might just be me being a dumb gaijin indeed.

>>15750703

http://www.gavo.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/ojad/eng/pages/home

>>15762133

Probably shouldn't be attempting comprehension yet but God knows I need the practice and I at least know most of the words in this one. Something about taking care of a pole (though よろしくな tends to mean many things so I'm just going by what makes the most sense) and assuring them that he's not gay.

>>15762703

Almost. hint, he uses おれは.

>learning hiragana and katakana very comfortably

>very happy with my progress, i'm even able to read simple words and with the aid of a dictionary understand them/try to retain them

>look at screenshots and the like, get extremely intimidated by long strings of symbols with seemingly no breaks between them

How on earth are you meant to determine when one word ends and another begins when all the symbols are crammed so tightly together?

>>15762729

Once you know particles and read media where kanji is used instead, it's usually not a problem.

>>15762729

Studying and lots of reading. After awhile you just know what the words are and don't really notice the lack of spaces.

>>15762711

Looking closer, yes that is indeed not あれは. Some fonts are tricky like that. So his name is Paul and he's saying he's not gay? That aside, why the spaces in the first sentence?

>>15763098

I'm trying, provided life doesn't kill me. But let's not turn this thread into a blogpost.

>>15763276

Fuck off, I don't have 10 hours per day to learn

>>15763098

Funny how the SATs score you in such a grammatically incorrect fashion; all being scored in the top 98% tells me is that you were better than the bottom 2%.

>>15762729

It becomes surprisingly simple and natural after a while, actually.

The early part of studying is easy and fun, but the grind that comes afterwards is what you really need to overcome.

It's just continuously reading, learning new words and grammar until you hit a certain point after which you are able to understand basic sentences without having to look them up.

After that breakthrough point everything becomes much easier because you will be so familiar with the language and looking up kanji compounds will be a breeze.

>>15763276

勉強を始める時に皆は怖くなるかもしれない。

I understand that a small tsu (っ) adds an extra constant to the following word, does this rule also apply to the katakana variant of tsu (ッ) ?

>>15765955

Yes

At how many new cards/day can I be sure to not go at snail's pace?

I worked my way up to 20/day since starting a month ago, and still feel like I could kick it up a notch, but the guide and anons warned against going crazy, especially early.

Need a frame of reference.

>>15775279

>At how many new cards/day can I be sure to not go at snail's pace?

200

>>15775279

I have mine at 15. It depends on how much time you want to spend a day. If you only have one deck you could consider more than 20, but the review count will get higher after awhile which could become hard to handle depending on your schedule, and just looking at cards all day isn't very fun. People seem to usually have it between 10 and 20 new a day.

>>15775279

Not sure about the cards people here tend to use, but as for kanji alone even 10 is pretty fucking good. Vocabulary cards, a lot more. If you have learned the kanji and a few words with them while doing so, vocabulary is relatively easy.

>>15775279

>20 cards x 7 days x 52 weeks;

>140 cards a week x 52 weeks = 7,280 cards per one year;

>There's only 6,000 cards in the 2k/6k deck.

20 a day is good for 2k/6k, you'll get the whole deck done in about 8 months time, provided that you're doing daily reviews. It might take longer otherwise. In order to determine the amount of cards you should use, you should take into consideration how often you do your reps. Say you do your cards 3 times a week, well that only translates to 60 new cards a week. At that point, you'd be worse off than the person who does 10 cards a day but who does them every day. Here's what you want to do, really:

>determine your goal (i.e. how long do I want to spend on this deck?)

>determine how often you can spend time doing your cards

>do the math to determine how many cards you'll need to do per session in order to meet your goal

example:

"I want to finish this deck within 10 months, but I only have 3 days a week to complete a review session"

Question: "How many cards must I complete per week to finish 6,000 cards in 40 weeks?"

<equation: (daysAWk)(numCards) = (totalCards)(numWks);

daysAWk = Number of days to study per week, 3

numCards = Number of cards per week, unknown (x)

totalCards = Number of cards in total to complete, 6,000

numWks = Number of weeks in the chosen period, 40 (rough estimate)

3(x) = (6000 / 40);

3(x) = 150;

(x) = 150 / 3;

x = 50;

You'd need to do 50 cards per day, 3 days a week, to finish 6,000 cards in 40 weeks.

50 cards x 3 days x 40 weeks;

150 cards a week x 40 weeks = 6,000 cards in total (again, this is a rough estimate; the number of weeks will vary depending on which month you start and end on; for better results, you have to calculate the precise number of weeks within your chosen interval of time).

The only other thing to take into consideration is that your reviews will skyrocket if you don't do them daily, so if you only do your reviews 3 days a week, you'll find yourself going through a shitload of cards on the days that you actually do your reviews. Of course, you can set daily limits in Anki's settings, but this isn't recommended (some people say it fucks with Anki's SRS algorithm, but I don't know for sure). All I'm saying is that you better be prepared to spend 2+ hours doing your reviews, assuming you don't do them daily.

The equation should be:

>daysAWk * numCards = (totalCards / numWks);

did I interpret this right that command forms are never used for "we", only the listener [should do]?

Has anyone got any good websites or applications for learning sentence structure and particles?

I've been watching Tae Kim's videos and while they're great and all, they're just too short and he speaks way too fast.

>>15781963

For Tae Kim, the grammar guide > the complete guide as, unless anything it's changed in recent times, the complete guide is incomplete.

>>15782036

>>15782038

They're better than his videos on the matter?

>>15782144

It's been so long since I looked at either I can't really speak to how the specifics of how each differ in content, but the grammar guide covered more material last I was aware, and the djt guides still indicate to use the grammar guide so I just assume it's probable that's still the case or that it's simply better regardless.

hey guys, any dramas i can watch for free to help with my listening skills?

Is there a difference between being given something (くれる) and receiving it (もらう)?

Maybe my English is just too shit but I don't get why these things are differentiated here.

>>15776787

>Language has 3 total examples of historically motivated irregular spellings

> English speaker still complains about them

Our Yu O Kay they're retard?

>>15776849

As far as I understand it, the imperative forms, including the participle-kudasi construction, are pure-imperative moods and do not have cohortive or jussive meanings. If that's correct then yes, pure imperative moods only have second person subjects, so they imperative form and kudasai construction are only commands to second persons (singular or plural).

>>15784491

>Is there a difference between giving something and receiving it

in English:

for [subject] to give [direct object] to [indirect object] == [DO] leaves posession of [sub] and enters possession of [IO], Sub –DO-> IO

for [sub] to receive [DO] from [IO] == [DO] leaves possession of IO and enters possession of SUB, IO –DO-> Sub

Having two separate verbs is necessary, because there is no grammatical way to swap a subject and an IO, since the passive voice reverses Sub and DO, not Sub and IO, so

to be given == DO –SUB-> IO != IO –DO-> SUB == to receive, and

to be received == IO –SUB-> DO != SUB –DO-> IO == to give.

The same thing goes in Japanese.

>>15784491

くれる also indicates a huge amount of thankfullness and is mostly used just for close family members and friends.

>>15785292

Sorry, listening to Japanese is harder for me than reading and writing.

>>15762133

>>15762703

>俺はポール

<おれはポール

I'm Paul

>よろしく な！

Welcome! (な adds emphasis)

>ホモじゃないから安心してくれ

<ホモじゃない　から　あんしんして　くれ！

>ホモじゃない

(I'm) not gay

>から

since, because

>あんしん

relief, piece of mind + する (to do)

>くれ

(vulgar/informal) command

"(I'm) not gay because you do relief"

So, the whole thing is, "I'm Paul, welcome! Because I'm not gay, just relax" but the second sentence can be translated in different ways, such as "I'm not gay so you guys don't have to worry" or something similar.

The Anki deck I'm using claims しぇ and シェ are pronounced SHA. (I assume it is there for シェ and they threw in しぇ just because.) Are they pronounced that way, or should I edit them to SHE? I might anyway because it is confusing and looks less important than other oddities like じ　and　づ.

>>15790742

So I was (mostly) wrong after all. Just about figured but that's what these threads are for. Another week or so of grammar it is.

But I suspect my main weakness is failing to retain vocabulary outside Anki. As in, I end up drawing a blank a minute too long when I see word I should know by now out in the field. Annoying.

>>15793104

That's probably a typo in the deck. しぇ and シェ both pronounced [ɕe] except maybe by very conservative speakers that might say [ɕi] or [se], but never [ɕa].

>>15793816

Doesn't X suffer from unbalanced combat since it wasn't rebalanced to account for instant castings?

>>15793897

What do you mean instant castings? Spells have normal cast time, but the animations don't pause the game and break the flow of combat, plus they can also miss if you/the enemy leaves the aoe, so I'd say they are better balanced both ways

>>15790448

Playing a Dynasty Warriors game right now, and I barely understand any of it. I feel like a 1st grader who got dropped into a college history class. It's been a long time since I played any musou though, so it's still fun, and I can at least read the menus. I'm also reading manga and a LN that I actually understand most of so it doesn't bother me much.

>>15794935

Those games have a Japanese text option?!

>>15796535

Interface only. Also, no English dub? Not that I'm complaining. Could use some listening comprehension too.

>>15796880

It's interface only for English too.

I'm assuming subtitles are for videos or such and interface means any written text that appears in-game.

The lack of an English dub is odd, but it looks like they know no one cares about it.

>>15802064

>let me tell you about this weird japanese thing, i happen to be an idiot on the topic

At least he fits right in with the even scene.

>>15802322

event*

I'm using Rikaichamp and I can't find dictionary files like I could for Rikaichan anywhere. Can anyone help?

damn it really is just actual caveman speak, now that is impressive

>>15797004

Dub might be owned by NISA so bamco can't include it. Also bamco's dub of ayesha was fucking atrocious, I mean at least it didn't brick your console or anything so technically it's better than NISA but it was somehow worse in terms of an actual translation.

I've come to the conclusion that anyone using romaji is a faggot. At least learn enough to write in kana soup, the language looks ridiculous in romaji and is harder to read than native writing.

>>15762703

>Probably shouldn't be attempting comprehension yet

How are you going to learn Japanese if you never try to understand it? That's 99.9% of the whole process.

I've just finished reading the first volume of yotsubato, and reading definitely got easier chapter-to-chapter. I'm feeling pretty confident in my reading ability for basic stuff at least now, so I am starting to look for what I should try and read next. Thinking I might try and opt for something without furigana to solidify kanji knowledge in my head. I do recognize 80% of the kanji in yotsubato, however I don't want to develop an over-reliance on furigana. Any advice on what I should be reading next? Also while these threads were super useful when I was starting out, I think there's not enough people at intermediate-advanced level discussing stuff here to be as useful anymore and there are too many くそ-posts. Are there any good Japanese learning communities I should check out?

>>15825062

Ask intermediate-advanced level questions or bring up likewise topics then. I wouldn't worry too much about actively avoiding furigana, just make sure you note the kanji as well as the reading. It can be a tool for learning rather than a crutch if you treat it as such.

>>15793816

Definitely a good feeling coming back to something you tried early on that was difficult to find it now very manageable. There was some game I played just starting out wherein I'd gotten stuck due to my inability to understand, coming back to it a few months later to solve an easy puzzle sure left me feeling accomplished.

When to use を or に for 触る? I can't find any real info on this

>>15825477

https://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/6772905.html

>>15825538

Cheers, I'll probably spend a day going over this, nuances are difficult

>>15825574

No problem, don't forget you can always do a search in japanese to find that kind of stuff you probably won't find in english

>tfw the woman who voices in the beginning of the anki vocab deck has a hot voice and gets the best lines like "come closer please"

this was truly made with the weebshit audience in mind

>>15826327

Check this out: http://learnjapaneseonline.info/2018/06/25/massive-input-vs-srs-the-inverse-ratio-effect/

I think it would be useful for anyone too. Like >>15826688 said, study alone won't lead to mastery. Study is still very important too, but it's not the only component. You need to use the language. This will help you create an emotional connection to the language too, which helps it sink it more permanently. The issue here is just finding material around your ability level that you enjoy, and you'll want to find things you genuinely enjoy. Also, your study methods may just not work for you very well too. You could try another source, try mnemonics (if you aren't), write some gay poem using kanji/words, experiment. I don't see much problem with furigana early on. If you're still needing it for everything in 5 years, that could be a problem.

>>15825120

Most of the people I see here are either learning kana or just discussing kinda pointless things like "how long until fluent" or "how much anki". There's still a couple of good discussions here and there and it's so far the best learning community I've found. I'm not saying I'm better than everybody, but I'm better than an absolute beginner and I wanted some direction.

>>15825428

>>15825431

I asked an intermediate-level question; what are some nice things to read at the level I'm at? For the moment I will keep on reading more yotsubato and ika musume. I read an NHK Easy News article every once in a while as well, those are pretty easy but it's good practice for non-conversation text. I'm going to have less direction the more I learn, but I would love to hear some advice from people who have learned more than me.

>>15827798

I'm sorry, but I can't find raws of the first one anywhere. I've looked around on torrent sites and release group sites but no luck.

>>15828093

Have you tried nyaa ?

Anyway, I'm uploading both volumes to /8/vola, so check that.

>>15828108

I tried both nyaas and animebyte, but thanks.

>>15828116

I uploaded both because I thought they were really gone, but then I checked the cartel and found them there.

There's also a third volume available.

Anyway, have fun and consider VNs in the future when you're feeling confident enough.

>>15826327

If and when you are just picking up words and kanji for plain study, try to only learn kanji relevant to other material you're learning. Similarly to the reasons you're being recommended to start reading, being able to connect them with more things you already know or are simultaneously learning as well as actually having a use for it makes it easier to remember. I don't think writing characters out excessively like that really does much but benefit your penmanship. Once or twice is good for a boost to recognition. After that you're just building muscle memory. Furigana won't hurt you unless you ignore the kanji under them.

>>15827735

A lot of manga is actually fairly well-suited for beginner reading. Try out anything you like and if after a chapter or two you think it's too much, try something else. Obviously I'd avoid some likely more difficult topics like the medical profession and such initially. Otherwise if you want recommendations for a specific genre or topic or something then I could maybe give a proper recommendation. Eroge can also make for pretty good beginner reading practice. Professional games often have voice for at least primary female characters which is + listening practice and helps ease. Some doujin games can be pretty easy, being done by amateur writers and all. Downside is that being adult-oriented, they sometimes don't really hold back on the kanji. Something with some proper gameplay as opposed to a VN can be nice so that you're not hit with non-stop text. It's been quite a while since I played it, but 魔界洞ルル・ファレア ～倒して、犯して、嫁にする!～ is probably an okay doujin eroge for a beginning reader, if you're interested. No real objectionable content, enjoyable puzzle gameplay, and probably not too difficult of a read. Your first couple games are bound to be a bit difficult regardless though as you learn standard game (and erotic) vocabulary.

>>15827798

Ideally, you are probably more interested in spoken than written Japanese right? I guess both are useful in the long run but I at least feel that spoken is both more difficult and more beneficial especially if you are more games+anime than manga.

Anyway, my point is that spoken Japanese doesn't have kanji, just sounds, so if you are stronger with recognizing the meaning based on furigana rather than kanji, it should actually make understanding spoken Japanese easier. I often recognize a kanji for its meaning but can't remember the sound which is exactly the opposite problem.

>>15830923

I'm interested in both because I don't want to be illiterate.

What's the point of knowing how to speak if you can't read or write?

>I often recognize a kanji for its meaning but can't remember the sound

I sometimes see a kanji I've previously "learned" only to remember neither the meaning nor pronunciation.

Here's a question: what's the difference in 存在する and ある? Emphasis?

>>15826327

In my opinion it's more useful to know what a Kanji means when you see it than to be able to write it, especially as a beginner. Also, writing Kanji takes a lot more time and effort than just recalling meaning, which makes review boring and not fun which can make you want to give up. Use RTK with Anki to remember the meanings until they start to stick without stories. Later, when you're actually good, you can come back to writing Kanji from memory (why know how to write 鬱 now if you aren't going to actually start writing for 10+ months assuming you don't give up?). Hell, if you don't want to know how to write because understanding Japanese and an IME is enough for you, don't learn how to write.

Like everyone else is saying, just keep trying to read/listen to Japanese and stuff will start to stick even without directly studying it.

>>15827735

>>15833536

Based off Wiktionary it seems to be the same as the difference between "to exist" and "there to be". So the former can technically be used to point out things at specific locations, but its limited to very flowery speech, and most instances of it refer to something existing in general, without reference to a specific time or place. I.e. it would be natural to say either "God exists" or "there is a god", but you while you can say "there's someone here" it doesn't make sense to say "someone exists here".

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%AD%98%E5%9C%A8#Japanese

>>15839722

Looks like 奥「おく」

>>15839722

Probably おく 奥

>>15839784

>>15839776

Yeah that seems to be correct. I found a romaji transcript that also says oku, but in the song it sounds like she's saying うか there. (@3m3s)

Thanks anons.

hi im a girl i want to start learning japanese where do i start?

>>15840154

Post timestamped tiddies and then neckyourself.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2011/07/19/reference/japans-incompatible-power-grids/

This might be interesting to /djt/ denizens.

>>15840416

Let's hope they keep it strict, only accepting the best applicants.

If they imitate the EU after witnessing the current state of affairs, I'm gonna flip my shit.

>>15840469

Apparently everyone they let in is only in temporarily and will be kicked out. However Europe did this when rebuilding after WW2 and nobody left. However it wasn't written into law they just hoped it would happen.

>>15840252

That's a pretty silly problem for such a smart country.

>>15853182

>The government has pointedly argued that the new statuses would not amount to Japan shifting toward accepting “immigrants,” out of consideration for concerns that an inflow of foreign workers could result in domestic workers losing their jobs or crime rates soaring.

This is a bullshit Jewish trick that happened to the US in the early 1900s. The Congress voting on it was assured the new bill wouldn't lead to rapidly shifting demographics and destruction of the working class citizens.

That is exactly what it did. The Jews got to Japan or Japan is jewing itself.

If they don't have to leave as long as they have valid work they literally just have fuckloads of children which Japan is currently not doing and they outbreed the native Japanese in less than a generation.

>>15853182

>>15853394

They just had to hold out until robots. Why didn't they just keep saying no?

>>15853410

Abe got told off by Trump about immigration a few months ago and the bastard little kike doubled down immediately.

>>15853428

Didn't Trump threaten him with mexican immigrants? Why would he respond by allowing immigrants?

>>15670786

CAN'T

>>15839929

It's very clearly おく. What's wrong with your screwed up gaijin brain?

>>15825428

That's the most over analyzed bullshit ever. Particles are dropped because nip rice niggers are lazy and don't express themselves clearly. End of discussion.

>>15854510

Next you're gonna tell me the Russians don't pronounce their written O's as A.

They write Horosho but say Harasho. Clearly I have the superior ears and know more about how the nips are wrong in their own language.

Anyone have any suggestions for something to watch in Japanese that I can get the gist of without understanding properly? Apparently watching shit without subtitles helps you pick up the language faster.

>>15856924

http://www.kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles%2Fjapanese%2F

Get JP subs and watch anything from that list.

Subs for some shows like Cardcaptor Sakura are broken (timing gets off for the second half), so keep that in mind.

>>15856924

You could try Japanese streamers on twitch or nico. Watch stuff on youtube that pertains to your interests. Download random drama or variety shows and give them a go. Watch pretty much anything you want, really.

>>15853394

>That is exactly what it did. The Jews got to Japan or Japan is jewing itself.

They're not going to import the same people that the West loves. Japan wants high-skilled Chinese and south Asian people. Infinitely better than we get.

>they outbreed the native Japanese in less than a generation

After what's happening in the West, why would the Japanese look at disaster and try to emulate it? They're probably going to limit the number of immigrants to a few tens of thousands, a managable level.

>>15827798

Say I finish learning Japanese and move to Japan, how do I position myself to be bullied by a Japanese cutie?

>>15857865

>go to a random izakaya because that's the only thing that's still open

>find a drunken girl that notices the baka gaijin

or something like that

too bad she wasn't a cutie

>>15854569

>38 page long research paper published in a peer reviewed journal written by a doctor of Japanese linguistics teaching/researching at the best university in all of Australia/Oceania that clearly lists semantic, syntactic, and stylistic correlates of particle omission, proposes one or two (one and a corollary) clear effects of particle omission that explain all of these correlates, and supports its claims with quotes pulled from a library of native spoken Japanese.

<It wrong cause think to hard. Rising-sun tribe lazy, talk few words.

It's really not even that complex for a linguisticsc paper.

How do I deal with cards with the same word written on them (take, よく for example) that has one initially-introduced meaning, and which later has an identical card introduced with a different meaning? よく means both "often" and "well", and I have two cards circulating with one but not both meanings on them, and especially for more complex kanji or words it becomes very difficult to keep them all in order (起きる, for example, and all of its derivatives, are giving me a massive headache). What do I do about this?

>>15864989

I don't use Anki but in the flashcard app that I use I either put some kind of parenthetical note disambiguating them or combine them into one card. So for me it would either be 2 cards, for example:

>よく (frequency)

<often

>よく (literal)

<well

or one card like this

>よく

<often/well

>>15864989

I merge them into one card (it's already a bit random when it considers two meanings as different and puts them on two cards, or as a single one and puts it onto one card…)

山高からざれ、川深からざれと願ふ。

Can someone translate that and explain it? I have two different theories, possible both are wrong.

In the (((Microsoft))) IME, do I have to type "ha" everytime I want to type the topic marker?

Also, can someone provide me a synthesis of the previous phrase in japanese? I tried writing it in nipponese but I did not sound normal.

>>15866482

because it uses strict nihon-shiki style transliteration romanization for basic kanji with few exceptions. If it didn't, I.e. if it were phonemic, it would have to guess what you meant every time typed wa, e, and o, and include both the kana and katakana versions of the particles at the top of the conversion list, which is obviously a lot slower than hour it currently works for people who are used to it.

>>15865686

This is classical Japanese/ 文語. It's basically an entirely different beast with different grammar than ordinary Japanese.

rough translation:

I hope the mountain doth not be tall and the river doth not be deep. から is the 未然形 (comes before negatives and other shit). ざれ is a negative ending.

>>15871132

worth your time but not necessarily amazing. IIRC, the game (if you can call it that; it does have minigames) was delayed by at least a year so they could refine it due to the complexity of the language

if you're only a little competent at the language, go ahead and purposely fail the initial baseline competency test; early lessons might teach you words you don't know despite knowing some of the later ones.

>>15871142

thanks, anon

>>15857856

>few tens of thousands

Abe said 500 000.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/06/15/national/abe-led-panel-adopts-new-visa-plan-accept-500000-low-skilled-laborers-2025/

also japs got yet another tax hike next year from 8 to 10 percents

Would you anons recommend an app for learning of I take the train often?

Do you mean besides anki, or an app for anki specifically? AnkiDroid works extremely well once you get the files imported properly, it syncs with your anki account so you can swap between the phone and PC at will and study the same cards.

It did have a problem for me with downloading media files, but that was solved by exporting my Anki set from my desktop and transferring it over USB, then disabling automatic media downloads. Even with the full set, it STILL wanted to re-download everything, this does not prevent normal syncing of studied/due cards.

>>15865359

I've thought of doing this multiple times in Anki (would be easy to do there as well), but I would almost definitely memorize the card based on my note, rather than the kanji. I would see just "(frequency)" and know the answer, without even looking at "よく".

>>15871491

meant for >>15871394

>>15871491

AnkiDroid is a helpful thing to know, but is there anything else you'd recommend?

>>15871616

There's stuff like the Kindle app or others you can use to try doing some reading while commuting. There's apps for the 青空文庫 format for which you can find different things to read online. Some web manga sites such as Ganma have their own apps. You could also just play some lame mobile games in the language that look wordy. Should be able to find a couple VNs you could download even. If I were going to do some actual study on a phone or tablet then, Anki aside, I think I'd probably just throw some textbook .pdf files on it to read through or something rather than use most apps.

>>15871196

Don't forget chain migration for those 500,000 to bring their extended family. 100,000 poo tech workers times 24 for the extended clan.

Can someone who speaks nip please translate this for us?

>>15871709

>>15872174

Thanks. Would you mind posting it in that thread as well?

Where can i stream/download raw anime?

>>15872031

and japs state tv promotes that shit while funded by license fees of japs

Many Japanese are Converting to Islam - NHK WORLD (Japanese NEWS). Young People now converting to Islam. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. In Japan Islam is the most popular religion. In this video you will get some story of some Japanese Muslims.

>>15879185

Channel name "invite2quran"

Other videos include "37 Undeniable Linguistic Miracles of Quran"

It is probably all fucked, but I don't trust the anons pushing blackpills like it is an agenda.

>>15879322

>>15879345

NHK got good docs if its about local culture and locals. its just leaves bad after taste that in between that is disgusting pozz like Islam in japan, Tokyo mosque doc, foreigners this foreigners that, trannies, Global UN pact praise etc.

if its really prevalent I cant really tell but its scary to see japs turning to that.

>>15880707

Why not just not take it and learn Japanese in your free time? Hurting for credit hours?

>>15880707

My university only offered french, german, and mandarin. The year I graduated they added Japanese to the curriculum I was so fucking pissed. That was a decade ago I could have been a Japanese salaryman by now with a wife and kid who hate me.

>>15880714

Because of the expectations of my parents who want me to finish the Arabic course and then actually learn other languages despite me not really liking it that much. It's not actually that fun to learn, its kind of annoying, and obnoxious, I don't know, there are just languages that do not "click" with me

>>15880718

>>15880707

I'm currently going to university for jap, is it worth it or am I wasting my precious life?

>>15880707

>Uni doesn't teach Spanish

Where the fuck are you?

>>15880727

I've heard from people taking it at my university that the first couple semesters are terrible because half your class will be retards who thought it would be easy and the course has to go slow because of them, and then the 200 levels will start to pick up and eventually by the time your a junior you'll feel like you haven't wasted your time.

>>15879185

>Many Japanese are Converting to Islam - NHK WORLD (Japanese NEWS). Young People now converting to Islam. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. In Japan Islam is the most popular religion. In this video you will get some story of some Japanese Muslims.

Doubt. I found this on Wikipedia: "Today, there are 1 to 3 million Christians in Japan".

"In 2008, Keiko Sakurai estimated that 80–90% of the Muslims in Japan were foreign-born migrants primarily from Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Iran. It has been estimated that the Muslim immigrant population amounts to 70,000–100,000 people, while the estimated number of Japanese Muslims ranges from thousands to tens of thousands."

What's this NHK WORLD news show? Seems pretty cuck'd.

>>15880750

I didn't think about Spanish when I started learning languages, it is after coming to Arabic that I first met with it and though "Well shit, this is very similar to English, must be easy to learn".

>>15880764

>[Arabic] is very similar to English

ナニヲオモッテイタヨ？　俺が、あれスゴク馬鹿だと思って、分からねー。

>>15880758

those muslims reuploaders totally changed the info, this is original which I found by searching that text though

Bridging Muslims and Japanese

The Japanese government’s increasing alignment with US military actions in the Islamic world has been impacting this nation’s relationship with the Islamic world. At the same time, there are now dozens of mosques across Japan, and many estimates now put the number of resident Muslims in Japan above one hundred thousand. Against the backdrop of the troubling overseas events, BRIDGING MUSLIMS AND JAPANESE examines how resident Muslims are coping with suspicions and responding with confidence-building activities within their local communities and beyond.

>>15880758

What are the odds that half those tens of thousands are naturally Western SJW womyn?

>Finally hit 2k words

>After seeing words like 影響, 遠慮, and a bunch of business terms, finally get the word for shoes

A lot of work went into this deck but the order is a bit weird.

it's my first minute of trying to read the yotsuba manga and already wrongly interpreted something as

> if i serve the leftover seaweed it'll be dangerous

lol

>>15883388

There's an option in Anki to sort them by the way they were intended, common - > uncommon, but it's been a while so I forgot

>>15883505

Didn't know it was out of order

A verb in the negative means to not do something (食べない、見ない、行かない) but if we add a ? to it, it becomes an invitation to do something, (won't you eat, watch with me, go with me).

So how would you ask, Why won't you go to tokyo?, would you add なぜ or なんで before it?

>なんで東京に行かない？

If that's right, why won't that be interpreted as "Why won't you go to tokyo with me" or would you need to say something like

>なんで俺と東京に行かない？

To have that sort of meaning?

>>15883704

The same thing with negative questions happens with the English future tense ("Won't you come to the store with me"), and since the Japanese non-past (present) includes the future, you can consider that a direct translation.

The important things to note are that

> the interpretation of the above as an invitation is context sensitive. If there is the right context, it won't be understood as a question. I.e. "You don't have a car; if you ever have to buy something, won't you come to the store with me?"

> the sentence sentence is syntactically still a normal question, and can be modified as such

The same things are true with Japanese negative questions. in particular, note that adding a wh- interrogative to the English sentences automatically prevents it from being understood as a question

>Why Won't you come to the store with me?

>When won't you come to the store with me?

So in the Japanese sentence, you can do the same; adding an interrogative pro-word to your sentence will give it the meaning you're looking for and prevent anyone from misinterpreting it as an invitation.

>>15883777

prevents it from being understood as an invitation*

>>15883777

If I add の to the end of a sentence without having なんで, this will still be a "why" sentence, right?

If I've understood this right

>映画を見ない/ませんか - See a movie with me?

>なんで映画を見ない/ませんか - Why won't you see that movie (with me, depending on context)

>なんで俺と映画を見ない/ませんか - Why won't you see that movie with me?

>映画を見ないの？ Why won't you watch that movie? (With me, depending on context)

>なんで映画を見ないの？ - Why won't you watch that movie? (With me, depending on context)

I know the japanese probably wouldn't be as blunt as that, but I'm being blunt for the sake of making sure I understand the grammar correctly

>>15883860

That makes sense, cheers

>>15883945

I'm less sure about this one but as far as I understand, の as a "sentence final particle arises" by ellipses of "のだか", an n-desu construction, meaning that as a question it invites explanation, so while it doesn't directly invite a reason, it does prompt them to give something in the way of an explanation, which will probably be a reason.

>>15883505

https://core6000.neocities.org/

Do you mean in this order?

>>15884061

This reminds me of a question I had. While I understand why nouns and na-adjectives appear with 〜なん in 〜のだ constructions: because the construction involves the nominalization of an attributive form, and な is both an attributive suffix on modern na-adjectives and the reflex of the attributive なる copula from classical/preclassical Japanese.

What doesn't make sense to me is why the past/negative tenses "of なん" are just the regular だ copula + ん, because my understanding was that だ and its inflections couldn't be used attributively. From a diachronic point of view it seems strange that the present tense would be a reflex of the archaic form but all the others would just be forms of the innovative copula. And I know that synchronically there is a debate over whether the consideration of an "attributive form" is valid at all, but regardless there are still differences between attributive uses of verb(al)s and conclusive uses; one of which is that だ is never used attributively, only な or a form of である, so shouldn't the past/negative tenses be であった/であらない/etc.?

Has anyone thought about/noticed this before? Does anyone know of any research or online discussion of this topic? Can anyone think of a way to reconcile this without just ignoring it?

is it wrong to say something like "それから十以来ビデオを見てきました。

It is just a made up example. The focus being on this kind of kimashita grammar, I am pretty sure it exists, right?

>>15885034

I believe that is an example of a のだ clause, yes. Since the proceeding is in the short form while the whole sentence is in the long form. I think it's の(だ)か, so the sentence would literally be

>Who is it that stole it, doesn't anybody know?

>>15883945

https://kotobank.jp/word/%E3%81%AE-596099#E5.A4.A7.E8.BE.9E.E6.9E.97.20.E7.AC.AC.E4.B8.89.E7.89.88

四

（ 終助 ）Sentence Ending Particle

① （下降調のイントネーションを伴って）断定の意を表す。 「お金、使っちゃった－」 「だめだった－」 1) Indicates conclusion (falling intonation)

② （上昇調のイントネーションを伴って）質問の意を表す。「のか」の形をとることもある。 「だれがした－」 「ねえ、くれない－」2) indicates question (rising intonation)

③ 念を押す気持ちを表す。「のよ」「のね」などの形をとることもある。 「道草しないで帰る－よ」 「ふうん、ほんとうだった－」 3) indicates emphasis.

④ （強いイントネーションを伴って）命令の意を表す。 「さあ、早く寝る－」 「だまって歩く－」 〔上代からの語。 4) indicates imperative (strong intonation)

>>15884213

んだ is essentially like a contracted form of ものだ。

The rest of the sentence is a relative clause modifying ん, and the main clause is んだ, which never changes.

>>15885140

The sentence doesn't make any sense. What did you mean to say?

Does anki have a function to put a word aside that I'm having trouble on and make a custom study deck out of those? I've mostly been getting study decks from going to custom study > review forgotten > 2/3 days, but that ends up including every new card I've seen in that time period. I end up with a deck that is 95% words I can identify in under 5 seconds and 5% that I need 2 to 5 tries on.

>>15886537

ignoring the question of whether のだ constructions derive from contraction of "ものだ" or are transparent nominalizations of the attributive, which I'm pretty sure you're wrong about, nothing you said in your reply was new information that I didn't already implicitly include when referring to the attributive, and in fact, did not address my question in any way.

>>15888270

my understanding is that Japanese and Korean have broad similarities, largely by coincidence, in terms of grammatical typology, but as they aren't actually related there is very little in the way of direct and specific similarity.

>>15888701

How did you end up with more Kanji than Vocab, if you are only studying half as many?