22bb69 No.15648339
Lets have a thread about the various methods of keeping games alive for future generations.
Open Source Engine's and games
List of open source engines requiring data from the original game: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/wiki/Open_Source_Game_Engines_List
Fully open source games: https://libregamewiki.org/Main_Page
Emulation
Emulation wiki: http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Main_Page
OS clones
FreeDOS (DOS): http://www.freedos.org/
RactOS (Windows NT): http://www.reactos.net/
Win32 clones
Wine: https://www.winehq.org/
Proton: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton
8cfd2e No.15648345
What's the point if people won't want to play them?
dcdc9a No.15648346
>>15648339
Video games can't just die
22bb69 No.15648360
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
EasyRPG just had a new release. They need more artfags contributing to the RTP though (standard assets). The official RTP is a pain to get if you don't have an old Windows box.
22bb69 No.15648367
>>15648346 Actually, they can. Lots of Saturn games are broken in emulators and source code has been lost by Sega in a few of these cases.
22bb69 No.15648380
>>15648345
Memes aside, there will always be at least a few weirdos wanting to play old games.
9dd4ae No.15648424
Work on Wine to accurately run all those old Win98 games should be #1 priority. It's incredibly frustrating how they'll have something old running perfectly one day and then they'll break it in an update and never come back to fix it. Wine developers are too concerned with making modern shit run properly and too often neglect older stuff.
22bb69 No.15648438
>>15648424
Wine has been making strides with modern games, yes, but I can still run most Xp-era stuff that has worked since 11.04. Those compatibility settings actually DO make a difference. Did you try setting winecfg to Win98?
4bbc4c No.15648741
I wonder if it's theoretically possible to take parts of wine and qemu and create a libretro core for running Windows games, portable to any hardware that would actually be powerful enough to run it (although I don't know what that hardware would be). That would be a really interesting move toward PC game preservation, since not every game will get a reverse engineered open source engine. It would obviously be a massive undertaking though, and attempting to maintain such a monstrosity would be a nightmare. Just came to mind one day, and have been wondering if such a thing is even possible since.
88a488 No.15648755
These "little" fuckers are literally dying in retail boxes due to digital diabetes. There's no working emulator for it yet.
Thankfully, Metal Wolf Chaos is coming to PC next year.
If you have an Xbox you should absolutely soft/hard mod it ASAP (now).
22bb69 No.15648757
>>15648741 You mean like a DOSBox for Win32?
ddc993 No.15648761
>>15648367
time to go kill myself
22bb69 No.15648764
>>15648755
All the consoles have a shelf life. This is why we need to each get all the ROMs we can before the crackdown comes.
22bb69 No.15648776
>>15648761
Worst part is Panzer Dragoon Saga is one of these.
3dc33b No.15648784
>>15648776
>>15648367
Sega is one of the worst offenders of this practice. "Let's wipe those hard drives to save a few dollars, even though you got a fucking amazing game that can be remastered in the future."
Fucking Sega incompetence I swear.
22bb69 No.15648788
>>15648784
They actually DELIBERATELY deleted source code to prevent corporate espionage at one point.
3dc33b No.15648790
>>15648788
Jesus, that's retarded. Get more security and encryption instead or were they too damn cheap?
22bb69 No.15648794
>>15648790
This is the mid-90s we're talking about.
3dc33b No.15648798
>>15648794
I thought even basic level stuff was around at the time. And hiring more private security would have helped.
4c221b No.15648800
>>15648755
At least we have an archive of everything released on it. Are there any projects to archive games/patches on modern consoles?
22bb69 No.15648803
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Xoreos is run by an SJW-lite cuck, but I'm still glad it's making progress.
c6041f No.15648812
>>15648339
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one obsessed with preservation.
Unfortunately OP I've started to take the black pill. While I can preserve stuff myself for my own personal collection no one else cares and I just don't have the resources to maintain several 10TB hard drives in RAID6 and replace them when they go bad, ect.
Even in this thread you have people like: >>15648345, >>15648346 who are giving push back against archival. Every attempt at explaining the importance of posterity is met with "who cares, stop trying". It's a really bizarre phenomenon, like some weird quirk in human psychology and it explains why so much history is lost.
I hasn't even been a decade and we have all this lost media that is simply lost to time that I've seen myself with my own eyes as a kid. Not to mention, Microsoft, Ubisoft and Amazon are all pushing for game streaming next generation and once that happens it's game over for preservation.
>>15648784
Deleting source material, be it 70mm negatives, cel frames, uncompressed audio, source codes, ect. should be a crime punishable by public execution(in minecraft)
I'm not even joking, destruction of art is inhuman. Fuck these people. If you aren't going to keep it then release it to the public. Releasing source code isn't going to lead to more piracy, nothing is going to stop piracy.
3dc33b No.15648820
>>15648812
I hope there is an exception to that destruction of art rule. Like "feminist art" where they bleed their vag blood all over the surface. I know it's not art, but it's so damned easy to pass anything off as art these days.
1da0b7 No.15648822
>>15648380
her face is a bit fucked, but the clockworkpi is really good
1da0b7 No.15648824
>>15648755
There's like 11 of these fuckers at my local gameshop.
Problem is that except Halo I have no use for an OG ecksbox and can play most OG games on my 360.
I am however looking to get a fat PS2 so I can do the hard drive loading.
4c221b No.15648834
>>15648812
Glad to see I'm not the only one autistic about archiving everything. My current 12tb array is full and I'm too poor for new drives
22bb69 No.15648842
>>15648812
We gotta MAKE people understand why this matters, anon. The Morrowind community seems to grok why OpenMW is important. We have to drill it into people's skulls that their consoles WILL break down. Windows WILL not always be around and will probably break a lot of old games before it's done. We have to get people looking further than the next E3.
917d23 No.15648882
>>15648784
>>15648788
>>15648790
Actually, the new excuse floating about is "Those hard drives are going to decay anyway. And, if a team ever does return to continue the game after years of inactivity (Or even to remaster it), the applications those titles were developed with are outdated and are not going to work anyway."
I am no making this up, that's the excuse I saw this asshole use: http://askagamedev.tumblr.com/
c6041f No.15648886
>>15648820
I'm specifically talking about things like source material, 70mm film negatives, uncompressed audio and footage, source codes, copies of animation cells. Art preservation has been around for a long time but only for books and paintings. No one cares about films, games, or even music surprisingly. They won't start caring until it's too late.
While I don't think the mountains of shovelware on the Wii/DS has any cultural relevance, allowing an "exception" to this hypothetical law would open up loop holes leading to source codes not being released.
>>15648834
Do you also archive uncompressed films, cartoons, anime and stuff like that? Because I go beyond games but I'm really looking for someone to share rare finds with.
1da0b7 No.15648895
>>15648867
Is it really a boy?
Better provide proof.
22bb69 No.15648901
>>15648895
I mean, you can just choose not to believe me.
22bb69 No.15648912
>>15648886
That shit is pretty enraging. It would be like burning all the dead wood copies of a book to protect digital sales in a way.
1da0b7 No.15648932
>>15648901
I will because gay is gay.
917d23 No.15648946
>>15648820
>I hope there is an exception to that destruction of art rule.
There isn't. That's one of the problems with allowing people to have true freedoms, majority of what is out there is shit.
12d383 No.15648950
how big would a complete collection of all atari, game boy, gbc, gba, nes, genesis, n64, etc, be? might be nice if to just have that as a collection that you can seed to anyone that wants it. protecting anons if all rom sites get shoa'd
I guess for any of the later platforms that used disks this wouldn't be feasible as the complete library would be too large.
22bb69 No.15648955
>>15648932
I mean, a schoolgirl outfit is pretty comfy to program in, and there's nothing gay about it, per se.
>>15648928
I remember there used to be a list of the life expectancy of the various consoles. I can't find it anymore, but we're getting close to the end of the line for some of the classic consoles like the Atari 2600…
22bb69 No.15648961
>>15648950
A little less than a blue-ray if you're only talking about English.
4c221b No.15648968
>>15648886
Do you also archive uncompressed films, cartoons, anime and stuff like that? Because I go beyond games but I'm really looking for someone to share rare finds with.
I have a bunch of flac albums, and I rip every blueray I can get my hands on. Also have random shit like DVD-A isos, files and guides for modding consoles, and not to mention games. always looking to share I'll post my tox ID when I get home if you're interested
22bb69 No.15648971
>>15648968
Don't forget to pirate all your favorite books too, anon.
fb8774 No.15648973
>>15648955
it's sad to know that copyright last longer than a console, and companies will still shut down ROM sites even though they don't make any profit from decade old games it also doesn't help that people destroy alpha dev kits for upboats
22bb69 No.15648976
>>15648973
A huge crackdown is coming in the EU. On ROMs and other media. Get ahold of everything you can NOW while you can.
fb8774 No.15648983
>>15648976
where should i start?
12d383 No.15648985
>>15648755
>digital diabetes
could someone explain this? I know that things like hdd and ssd will eventually loose their data if they arn't powered on is this the same sort of thing? if it is then wouldn't a bios (or whatever xboxes have) re flash fix it?
ab6f60 No.15648988
We're all adults here, we could campaign to introduce an act that will reform copyright law to better allow for game preservation without being impeded by copyright.
459a52 No.15648991
>>15648755
at least it had a very small amount of good exclusives
22bb69 No.15648993
>>15648980
Gamestreaming doesn't delete ROMS. It just means (((new))) vidya is fucked.
22bb69 No.15649000
22bb69 No.15649003
>>15648998
Halfchan, could you please give the blackpill meme a rest.
12d383 No.15649013
>>15648988
this
however, not to sound pessimistic but how would you go about doing that?
ce9dda No.15649015
>>15649003
People ITT are literally taking the blackpill right now. There is no hope. Non-cloud gaming (running your games locally) will become impossible, and you won't be able to make any new games that people could run locally. Hopefags BTFO.
22bb69 No.15649021
>>15649013
We recently got the right to repair back to a degree in the USoA. We have to show practical benefits to reform.
f554cb No.15649025
>>15648812
>nothing is going to stop piracy.
You literally just mentioned game streaming becoming the standard soon. Piracy is already on its last legs.
913fb0 No.15649032
>>15648980
>the blackpill-spamming nigger keeps up his bullshit even when every single other person here has made it clear that they think he's a nigger-tier shill.
459a52 No.15649034
>>15649025
It will stop piracy because no one will want to pirate those shitty future games.
488c5c No.15649036
>>15648985
most of them are old enough and have shitty enough electrolytes in the caps that it's one specific one for the clock that corrodes and leaks onto the board
917d23 No.15649044
>>15648988
>>15649013
It already exists, in some manner. Basically, libraries (Such as archive.org) are exempted from any and all copyright. Also, downloading games "illegally" is actually mixed up with a bunch of wordplay. I can't find the source at the moment, but you can "legally" download anything from anywhere and everywhere. HOWEVER', distribution of the file from anywhere except from an authorized source is illegal.
22bb69 No.15649047
>>15649032
It has always been a shitty meme tbh. Streaming is bad news for new games, yes. But it does nothing to the shit already out there.
789bdc No.15649056
>>15649015
How's the weather in Tel Aviv?
don't worry, these faggots will leave after election season
917d23 No.15649090
>>15649044
>I can't find the source at the moment, but you can "legally" download anything from anywhere and everywhere. HOWEVER', distribution of the file from anywhere except from an authorized source is illegal.
Here it is: https://archive.fo/AYD5X
>In the USA, you are legally allowed to download stuff even if you don't own it. Your ownership has nothing to do with it. It's the website that's breaking the law, not you.
>However, if you then give a copy to somebody else, then you are breaking the law too. Also consider that with peer to peer protocols like bittorrent, that usually happens automatically.
>You might be violating the Terms of Service from your ISP but that's not illegal.
>Somebody who knows more law, please tell me if I'm wrong. There is a law against distributing copyrighted works without permission. There is a law against contributory infringement. There is no law against receiving copyrighted works from an illegal distributor.
6cddb0 No.15649095
>>15648950
Even if you got a copy of each rom in every language, you're still looking at something that you could fit on a flashdrive. Early games barely take up any space.
22bb69 No.15649097
If any of you fags are good at pixel art, consider contributing to the EasyRPG RTP. It'd really lagged behind the engine.
22bb69 No.15649101
000000 No.15649106
>>15648993
>>15648980
To me, the solution is don't gamestream. Though it may become a thing in the gaming industry, there will still be plenty of other games that are fun, maybe not as new or whatever.
>>15648988
Maybe, feel like copyright is a lost cause in most developed countries, maybe there are some I havent heard of that dont have copyright law or have minimal copyright law. Feel we need to work on first making there be legal punishment for false copyright claims. Now, if you say you thought the claim was legit even though it wasn't, you don't get punished for BS claims. Feel like the EFF is great at helping slow the copyright push, but its a loosing battle against the (((MPAA))) and (((RIAA))). Refuse to go to movie theaters, don't want a cent of my money going to the MPAA so they can buy a bigger dildo to fuck my ass.
>>15649044
Yep, usually its legal to download anything, just not redistribute it, and sometimes not to store it, just to 'stream' it. Can you tell more about the library thing? How does one get classified as a library and what restrictions apply?
>>15648976
Any specific reason you say that? Don't doubt it, just wondering if the EU is doing something stupid again.
22bb69 No.15649113
>>15649106
The EU's laws regarding copyright and the internet are all pro-corporation. They are already shutting things down that mega corps don't like. Roms, books, movies and music are all on the 'to lock down' list.
a04e22 No.15649117
>>15649090
>Bioshock Infinite
>Worth even a pirate
Fuck off with that weak-ass shit. If you're gonna pirate a bioshock game, pirate Bioshock 1 or 2. They are leagues better than Infinite.
917d23 No.15649124
>>15649106
>Can you tell more about the library thing?
https://archive.fo/QZvMm
>Section 108 of the U.S. Copyright Act offers certain exemptions to libraries, creating something of an extension of the fair use provisions in limited cases.
>Libraries and archives may make up to three copies (in analog or digital format) of any unpublished work for purposes of preservation and security or for deposit in another repository for research purposes. These copies cannot be made available outside the library or archives, cannot involve a profit motive, and must include a copyright notice.
>Libraries and archives may make up to three copies (in analog or digital format) of a published work but only in order to replace a copy from the library's collection when the original is damaged, deteriorating, lost, stolen, or in an obsolete format, and when an unused replacement copy cannot be obtained at a fair price.
>If digital copies are made, they may not be distributed outside the library. In other words, a DVD (digital) copy of an analog videotape may not be sent out for interlibrary loan, etc. Only another videotape copy can be distributed.
>Libraries and archives generally may digitize and make freely available any published work that is within the last twenty years of its copyright protection.
>Libraries and archives may provide users with copies (in analog or digital format) of a small portion of many types of works in response to requests made for purposes of private study, research, or scholarship. There are limitations to this exemption, particularly with respect to audiovisual materials. It may be permissible to copy and distribute a larger proportion (or all) of the work if another physical copy (new or used) cannot be purchased at a reasonable price.
07ebf1 No.15649129
I need to get a job again so I could afford a 3TB HDD in RAID 1 to stock up the retro games (basically everything up to 4th gen + PS1), PS2 and PSP isos, GBA+NDS roms and Vita nonpdrm. I already have them stock up in my current HDDs from my PC but an additional archival drive wont hurt.
Having PS1, PS2 and Vita physicals also do help
917d23 No.15649134
>>15649106
>>15649124
Also: https://archive.fo/bx0VS
>The Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act (“the Act”), (1998) amended the copyright law to extend for an additional 20 years the term of copyright protection in the United States. The Act added a limited new exemption for certain libraries and archives in section 108 of the copyright law. Under new section 108(h), during the last 20 years of any term of copyright protection of a published work, a library or archives may—for purposes of preservation, scholarship, or research—reproduce, distribute, display, or perform in facsimile or digital form a copy or phonorecord of the work or portions of the work. The library or archives may take advantage of this exemption only if it has first determined, on the basis of a reasonable investigation, that:
>the work is not subject to normal commercial exploitation; and
>a copy or phonorecord of the work cannot be obtained at a reasonable price. Further, the library or archives may not take advantage of the new exemption if the copyright owner or its agent has provided notice either
>that the work is subject to normal commercial exploitation; or
>that a copy or phonorecord of the work can be obtained at a reasonable price. Such notices are to be filed with the Copyright Office.
22bb69 No.15649142
Any problem with XFS for archival?
4c221b No.15649155
>>15649142
XFS is mainly for speed, I'd stick with ext4
12d383 No.15649179
>>15649129
how complete is your collection and how large is it?
000000 No.15649181
>>15649155
>>15649142
BTRFS will be great for RAID once its more finished, pretty sure its decently stable now, but wouldnt trust it for archiving.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Btrfs#RAID
22bb69 No.15649182
fd7b88 No.15649244
f6d9c1 No.15649272
What's the catch with reactos? Seems too good to be true.
07ebf1 No.15649279
>>15649179
>PSP section is 452GB big (mostly jap isos with with 33GB of EU/US ones)
>Vita section is about that size too with the same focus (mostly nip shit with a couple of western titles on the side)
>NDS section is 55GB
>40GB for actual PS1 isos and 87.5GB for PS1 eboots (the ones that work for PSP/Vita/PS3)
>12.5GB for the whole PC98 collection, 195MB for Gameboy, 681MB for GBC, 6.80GB for GBA, 281MB for NES/Famicom, 3GB for SNES/Super Famicom (again all of them are complete)
>PS2 collection is incomplete yet, but it's currently at 131GB (because it was harder to get niche shit even with emuparadise and its forums present back then)
>Gamecube iso folder is around 40GB
Technically 2TB should be enough at this current stage, but I'd rather try a 3TB or 4TB HDD just in case with the rest of the PS2 library to get and if I eventually touch a bit of PS3
22bb69 No.15649291
>>15649272
The catch is that it needs more contributors. Especially getting more hardware working. Also, they need a tan.
7156ae No.15649292
>>15648950
>no disc based systems
>not even DS/3DS
GBA of all regions is <6.5 GB as a collection of compressed files. SNES is <3GB. N64 is 11.2 GB. GB+GBC is 830 MB and NES is 267 MB, though these have the whole collection compressed in a single 7z. Don't have an Atari set, but it is likely negligible.
d1ff4b No.15649297
>>15648339
>lists wine and proton
>when proton is literally just wine
>when proton is tied to an online storefront and thus removes all possible ways of preservation and activly goes against the point of this thread
Delet this.
22bb69 No.15649311
>>15649297
Proton is a full-on fork of Wine and already has a number of differences. And it's all open source. Anyone can use it. Hell, GOG could use Proton if they wanted.
12d383 No.15649373
>>15649292
That not that much space wise. even for higher capacity systems like PS1 as >>15649279 anon said its not that much. seems you could fit most of it one one large ish hdd.
d82b73 No.15649422
>>15649272
>What's the catch with reactos?
The community is a bunch of fags, going off of that one Anon from a few days ago.
a334cf No.15649441
>>15648346
Assuming this is not bait, you're wrong.
https://delistedgames.com/all-games/
This isn't that good a site but it's the best I could find. It's a list of numerous hundreds of games that have been removed from sale for whatever reason.
3572be No.15649459
>>15648367
Saturn's the exception, not the rule, dickhead, and even then that's because the saturn was a colossal commercial failure. Shit I think on PS1 there's only ONE game that doesn't emulate right, and it's that literal meme game people always bring up when talking about how emulators don't work: Monkey Hero (PS1).
b91244 No.15649464
>>15649311
only difference i counted was the steam's builtin controller support, which is really a minor.
22bb69 No.15649469
>>15649464
It also handles fullscreen windows differently. Better for games, worse for other things.
22bb69 No.15649474
The Saturn might have been a failure, but that doesn't change the fact that it had amazing games.
3572be No.15649476
>>15649422
>Talk about a bug without documenting things like version number, directory, process
>Get told to elaborate
>Shriek at them that they are autistic retards
>Download an Alpha of an OS that is meant for testing and then not test it
hamguy is a fag
b91244 No.15649491
>>15649272
Community is the regular opensors shit, where everyone tells anyone who complains about their software being broken to "fix it yourself"
Rather than adding it to a bug tracker to be handled later.
Most times fanboys crowd and defend their holyer than thou developers while contributing nothing.
The project lacks actual contributers and it's been in development for decades now.
It only recently started being able to compile itself.
Theres no real way to run it native, most have to run it in a vm because the devs can't do driver support for shit.
Most of the parts you'll see getting updated the most are just shit token from wine.
3572be No.15649492
>>15649292
My Atari folder is ~3.3MB
22bb69 No.15649493
>>15649476
They were all fags.
22bb69 No.15649497
>>15649491
You can run it on real hardware. But it's all pretty old. And most of the advancements in ReactOS happen either in the Kernel or through Wine.
3572be No.15649500
>>15649272
It's an Alpha, it's meant for testing and documentation. The people actually working on it will probably yell at you if you don't thoroughly document what went wrong.
3572be No.15649505
>>15649500
Oh and very few people are actually working on it. Because Abloo bloo I hate windows why make windows but not controlled by microsoft??
22bb69 No.15649511
>>15649505
This has more to do with the fact that MS is going to abandon Windows one day than what it is currently doing with it. Or do you thing FreeDOS is about giving the finger to IBM?
22bb69 No.15649518
3572be No.15649542
>>15649511
Well obviously at some indeterminate point in the future microsoft is going to abandon Windows (more specifically around 3 Decades of software that have to be pushed through compatibility layers for linux) the issue is, microsoft are fags, and if they weren't fags we wouldn't have an issue or need an open source clone of it, and everyone would develop software for linux.
d889f4 No.15649544
>>15648339
best method is piracy. Just keep piracy sites up, with their massive archives, and the games will always be there. Hell, piracy is the only way to get some old games even today. Of course, there is the danger of government stepping in, but don't tell me there isn't a single country in the world where piracy is legal and where servers can thus be legally hosted
a13708 No.15649758
>>15648842
But how do we? Every version of windows has fucked old games in the ass by something not working properly, plus having over 3 TBs of ps1,DOS,PS2, and gamecube games does carry alot of weight with only focusing on the good games of each console.
a13708 No.15649781
>>15649758
And yet we still need to find a better way of keeping these games alive and well, if we had fuck you money im sure we could build a server and have everyone contribute.
a13708 No.15649788
>>15649469
Besides it being a wine fork is there anything else we might be able to use it for?
22bb69 No.15649833
>>15649788
Proton is based on Wine, yes. But Valve has been making gaming-centric tweaks to it. Mostly with the window management and audio backend. You could use Wine the same way Virtual Programming used eON for near-native ports.
22bb69 No.15649841
>>15649758
Bang it into their heads that they're going to lose THOUSANDS of dollars worth of software at an unspecified point in the future.
c966e1 No.15649848
Here's how you actually preserve games for future generations. https://console5.com/store/ Everything else is wrong.
000000 No.15649850
Why do people on here think M$ is dropping windows any time soon?
22bb69 No.15649857
>>15649850
Because Windows doesn't make sense for their bottom line. Windows: SAAS edition will be the next evolution and after that they'll just offer SAAS on pretty much every platform.
22bb69 No.15649859
>>15649850
This is a stop-gap. And a sub-optimal one at that.
3572be No.15649875
>>15649850
Because windows has been trying to retire legacy support because it's a financial deadend.
c966e1 No.15649884
>>15649875
they barely try anyway
336a7e No.15649922
>>15648886
I personally collect animation cels. I don't have any stupid expensive ones, just ones from series I like. I've got two from Space Ghost Coast to Coast that I personally got from C. Martin Croker before he died, one From Powerpuff Girls where one of the Rowdy Rough Boys spits on Buttercups forehead (Hilarious out of context shot), one from Batman Beyond, and one from Riding Bean with the original douga sketch. I don't have a huge collection but I try to preserve things within reason.
22bb69 No.15650007
>>15649922
Considering Gutenberg and Librivox face being blocked in the EU, collecting dead tree books might not be a bad idea either…
336a7e No.15650067
>>15650007
I do that as well, there's this thrift store in my town that gets all kinds of pretty old books, the town is so full of illiterate people they seriously stopped selling the books and just give them away now. The local library also has surplus book sales that I always get textbooks and (((Banned))) books every once in a while. My oldest book is probably my stupidest, it's a Biography on President Garfeild from 1881. My favorite is The Joy of Linux because of how hilarious it is.
488c5c No.15650101
>>15649493
>They were all fags.
This.
1523eb No.15650239
>>15649044
>you can "legally" download anything from anywhere and everywhere.
then why was jared fogle arrested
635b18 No.15650241
>>15650239
Because the act of transferring data is perfectly legal, but the data itself was not allowed?
1523eb No.15650262
>>15649106
>Yep, usually its legal to download anything, just not redistribute it, and sometimes not to store it, just to 'stream' it.
so its legal to look at cp as long as you dont save it or share it?
>it saves to your temp files, thumbnails, cache, etc
what if you use a livecd?
youre a torpedo so you know about this stuff, right?
i can "stream" cp in front of a cop and thats legal?
1523eb No.15650266
>>15650241
>the data itself was not allowed
its illegal to knowingly possess stolen property.
if you know a game was "stolen," you cannot possess it legally
22bb69 No.15650273
>>15650266
Theft and copyright infringement are legally distinct.
635b18 No.15650277
>>15650266
GOOD THING YOU DIDNT STEAL IT BUT MADE A COPY
22bb69 No.15650281
>>15650277
Holy dubs beat double 6s.
1523eb No.15650288
>>15650273
>>15650277
good luck getting your boomer judge to understand that
also, PSA: look up goodsnes, goodgba, etc
the work has already been done, just make copies of these collections
https://archive.org/details/GoodSNESn
22bb69 No.15650302
>>15650288
That's actually something pretty basic to understand. And if you're that worried, ENCRYPT your collection of ROMS.
1523eb No.15650309
>>15650302
im not worried, nobody gets v& for roms. im just skeptical that it's technically "legal"
9b8302 No.15650363
>>15648812
Good to see you archiving anon. I havent finished reading the thread yet but i believe its important to keep an archive. My theory is theres always some of us archive fags out there so your first priority is to secure content you want to consume and enjoy first followed by secondary content you may enjoy but most likely would benefit others. Its impossible for one person to archive everything and maintain them. Dont listen to fags who say archiving is worthless. When the time comes and theyre looking for something they played or watched previously but is now gone theyll have some form of regret.
75bc95 No.15650511
>>15649106
>feel like copyright is a lost cause in most developed countries
copyright was never a valid 'cause'. it was pushed by the (((Stationer))) kikes before the English parliament as a last ditch effort to keep the monopoly on printing they had been granted by the English crown. After the Statute of Anne got passed, they proceeded to buy original manuscripts from authors along with the rights for peanuts, and pocketed all the profits.
But of course the (((MAFIAA))) would rather not tell you that.
006170 No.15651025
How fucked is the dreamcast? I've been thinking of getting one, i already found a controller and vmu for like $3 goodwill and downloaded some games so it's too late to turn back I hear burning CD-R's just werks (if you don't get the later (2) model dreamcast) as long as they're decent quality, so I wouldn't have to worry about buying that expensive SD card thing for a while.
>>15648985
They have a capacitor that leaks on the the motherboard. They also use mechanical hard drives, but it's easy to replace them now. You need a drive with the original Xbox firmware though, which is a pain in the ass to find now that theisozone is kill. I have a mega here: #F%zVoUHQrJ%jhla2LmyYAA7zSCsygffMw if you think you'll get an Xbox, download MS Dash 5960.rar right now.
>>15648764
There's a good "HDD Ready" torrent on rutracker. You just extract them, ftp them over to your xbox, and you're good.
1e899d No.15651047
>>15648955
>I mean, a schoolgirl outfit is pretty comfy to program in, and there's nothing gay about it, per se.
Wrong on all levels, faggot.
22bb69 No.15651053
>>15651047
My digits beat yours, anon~
635b18 No.15651061
>>15651047
>>15648955
>They don't own Programmer Socks™
336a7e No.15651112
>>15651025
Be careful what games you try to burn to disk, most are bigger than the 700mb on the CD-Rs, Sega made proprietary CDs for them that are like 900mb. The only game I burned that worked was 3rd Strike, I haven't been able to find big enough CD to burn bigger games.
16624c No.15651122
>>15651025
> I hear burning CD-R's just werks (if you don't get the later (2) model dreamcast)
okay, here's how it worked:
Early in the dreamcast's life cycle someone discovered that you could burn a file to the disc and it would work. This file was game specific and therefore had to be tailored to the game.
The model 2 negated the use of this file but exposed a new vulnerability: a new generic file could be burned on the disc that would work for every game, and even worked on the model 1. The real kicker: the file was smaller
6f3084 No.15651149
>>15648803
>run by an SJW-lite cuck
There's lot of commies in the game preservation/emulation/piracy scene because it resonates with their anti-capitalist sentiment. I was reading up on PS1 hardware and came across "nocash", a Russian jewish homosexual living in Germany or something that rants about muh natzees. Even if there are people we dislike, there is work that can be shared, and the end result is the same. You just have to make sure these faggots don't write codes of conduct.
6f3084 No.15651152
>>15651149
>Russian jewish
Correction he isn't Russian, got that mixed up.
d5bb7a No.15651172
>>15648741
PCemu is a thing, but it's a bit of a pain to set up. The good thing is, it can emulate everything from a 5150 to a Pentium or K6 with a 3dfx card.
1da0b7 No.15651228
>>15651152
I think he's still ethnically from Russia.
006170 No.15651264
>>15651112
Well shit, I even downloaded some 1gb games without realizing I wouldn't be able to burn them. Do you know anything about GDEMU clones?
>>15651047
>master of comfort
>denim anything
247d6d No.15651271
>>15648985
The clock cap leaks on most model Xboxes , except for the newest revision.
You can just amputate the offending cap and clean the damage (assuming it didn't corrode and trace/components), the Xbox doesn't need the clock cap to function.
UNLESS ,you have the newest revision because that doesn't work without the clock cap.
As for the HDD, you can't just replace it because the motherboard is paired with a unique serial on the drive and it only boots with the drive that matches the Mobo key.
You use a softmod to manually set the key to a predetermined value such as all zeros, which allows you to create a new drive with relative ease.
However, if you hardmod, you can remove this DRM.
>if it is then wouldn't a bios (or whatever xboxes have) re flash fix it?
No, it was only intended to ever work with the original drive and replacing it does not work.
If you hardmod your Xbox, you can run a burned boot-disc that does exactly that.
a8d5d9 No.15651318
Surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet:
http://bluemaxima.org/flashpoint/
006170 No.15651366
>>15651271
>you can't just replace it because the motherboard is paired with a unique serial on the drive and it only boots with the drive that matches the Mobo key
If you softmod it first (i think you could run a homebrew tool via save exploit without actually softmodding it if you really wanted to) you can save your eeprom and use xboxhdm (in the mega folder i posted >>15651025 ) to make a new hard drive.
>the Xbox doesn't need the clock cap to function
There's a slight chance of having an outdated firmware version that gets stuck in a boot loop when the capacitor is removed so you need to softmod it, back up your firmware, or upgrade the firmware before removing it.
e3d232 No.15651485
Reminder that we must work towards expansion of legislation such as this in our respective countries while we continue to hoard and back things up ourselves:
https://archive.org/about/dmca.php
Internet Archive Gets DMCA Exemption To Help Archive Vintage Software
In 2003 the Internet Archive, as part of research into vintage software archiving, discovered possible archiving issues involving the Digital Millenium Copyright Act. This could make it impossible to legally archive early computer software and games, even for accredited institutions wishing to store limited amounts of non-distributable, archival images.
It's vital to make proper archival copies of these artefacts, because the life of magnetic media such as floppy discs has been estimated at 10 to 30 years. Time is running out to properly archive much of this large body of work for safekeeping, to ensure it lives out its term of copyright and is available ( in the short-term, under suitable copyright-constrained means) for posterity.
The Copyright Office holds a rulemaking proceeding every 3 years to:
"determine whether there are particular classes of works as to which users are, or are likely to be, adversely affected in their ability to make noninfringing uses due to the prohibition on circumvention of access controls."
As part of this rulemaking process, the Internet Archive submitted an initial comment in early 2003, and followed this up with a reply comment giving further examples of classic software that might be lost if access controls could not be circumvented.
Following deliberation, the Copyright Office ruled in late October 2003 that four exemptions should be added to the anti-circumvention clause of the DMCA, to be valid until the next Copyright Office rulemaking in 2006, including two that are related to the Internet Archive's original comments:
Computer programs protected by dongles that prevent access due to malfunction or damage and which are obsolete.
Computer programs and video games distributed in formats that have become obsolete and which require the original media or hardware as a condition of access.
With the aid of these exemptions, the Internet Archive is continuing its work with institutional and technical partners to research and archive this at-risk software, and would like to thank all those who worked hard to help us achieve our goal.
da409e No.15651632
>>15648755
>Thankfully, Metal Wolf Chaos is coming to PC next year.
It's coming to a DRM platform near you. Not PC.
247d6d No.15651789
>>15651366
Its so much better to just TSOP and know that you can recover from anything just by putting in a boot disc.
Unfortunately its not an option for everyone.
52da35 No.15651847
>>15648345
i hope a library eats you
336a7e No.15652466
>>15651264
I haven't personally messed with one but everything I hear is they work pretty well. The only problem with them is it basically replaces the laser with an SD card chip. My Dreamcast's disk drive is still good, and I've had it since it came out so I'm kinda attached to it. Everything is original and I don't want to change anything until I have too. But if you have a broken DC laying around I would definitely check it out.
b1f8a2 No.15652493
>>15651632
Steam is barely a DRM, not defending it because there's nothing do defend but it was cracked long ago and nothing's stopping you from pirating it
e4fd4b No.15652572
>>15649034
<because no one will want to pirate those shitty future games.
>implying
Not everything in the future will be shit anon.
2ba900 No.15652614
>>15648339
stop funding nintendo and any company that actively attacks emulation.
006170 No.15652628
>>15652466
Somehow hadn't heard of these things yet. Sounds like they work fine and aren't too slow right?
49fe09 No.15652636
>>15648812
>Every attempt at explaining the importance of posterity is met with "who cares, stop trying". It's a really bizarre phenomenon, like some weird quirk in human psychology and it explains why so much history is lost.
Thank you so much for putting this into words anon. It's one of the weirdest NPC-type behaviors that I know of. It's like a sequence that they forgot to program, forcing them to divert to the nearest alternative scenario. They really hate the notion of anything lasting longer than a single generation that isn't a part of the "approved canon". So the likes of Harry Potter and Doctor Who get to survive to the ends of the Earth because they're "cool", yet rare video games are literally dying in front of our eyes and nobody gives a shit, and those that do are faced with levels of derision not normally encountered anywhere else. It's on the same level as the type of flaming thundercunt that burns their exes' family photos. Just because it didn't matter to you doesn't mean that it didn't matter period.
I've attached a screencap from a post I made during this summer from a blackpill thread, so that I don't have to rewrite it. For the past 8 or so years I have done nothing but dilligently archive online content that pertains to my interests. My personal forte is in mod/community-created content, unique shit that is literally irreplaceable. If you've collected that sort of thing, no matter the genre, I'm interested in helping mirror it from my end. Same goes for all of you. Mods for games are probably by far the most perishable digital good, as their distribution is rarely centralized, even nowadays.
7c202c No.15652681
>>15652614
I'll keep funding them if they go after cancer like emuparadise
efadbf No.15652794
I was obsessed with this shit for quite a while, hoarding HDDs and DVD of shit I liked - games, maga, anime, some weird ass SWF animations.
But then it fucking hit me, that after I fucking die not only I won't care, but this shit will just lie there in my house collecting dust and rotting because I'm anti-social and will never have friends/wife/children who would care about this shit.
So I stopped hoarding it and just download something, enjoy it and delete it permanently.
I don't see value in something that will cease to exist when I die.
I.e. everything.
611953 No.15652822
>>15652794
apply that logic to real life and kill yourself already
efadbf No.15652846
>>15652822
Killing yourself is not enjoyable.
I want to enjoy life before it ends.
2ba900 No.15652860
>>15652681
you should be ashamed of yourself.
they also go after people making fan games, youtube videos, and any original content about their games.
22bb69 No.15652905
>>15652794
Dress up a black pill however you like, it's still a black pill; and you're faggot for swallowing it.
f174f3 No.15652922
I've been tempted to store shit on DVD-R and eventually BD-R to help save space. I know they arent a permanent solution but I think is a good way to try and save space and have it on something stable.
4c221b No.15652929
>>15652922
Use archival grade m-discs
22bb69 No.15652996
>>15652929
>mormon tech
What could possibly go wrong there…
8273c9 No.15653016
>>15652905
What's black pill?
22bb69 No.15653021
>>15653016
Here's a cute and marketable hint.
8273c9 No.15653024
>>15653021
But the desire to enjoy life to the fullest is the opposite of suicidal tendencies?
22bb69 No.15653033
>>15653024
You're killing memes. Meme's are the genetic makeup of culture and your life isn't worth nearly as much in the grand scheme of things.
92ef5f No.15653039
>>15651485
I'm just happy to see that pic survive this long.
49fe09 No.15653045
>>15652794
Because, dipshit, you're supposed to share your shit with everybody else. Not doing so puts you on the same level as a collectorkike.
And it's not "when you die", it's "2 - 5 years after you first downloaded it and want to play it again only to find out it's gone for good". There's quite a difference between the two.
67ed94 No.15653049
>>15648339
I'm already in the process of downloading most of the redumps for the older generation of systems. To save space I'll only download a single version (USA vs Europe vs Japan, or 1.00 vs 1.01) prioritising USA but also grabbing Euro and Nippon only games. I drastically need more hard drives, the raw PS2 redump is 12 TB, original xbox is 10 TB, Dreamcast is only 500 GB. I even need more for PC games and this doesn't even include PS3 and 360 which I haven't seen a redump but it'd be massive. Wii is 2 TB and I'm not sure what WiiU is since I already got everything available via WiiU USB Helper.
My wife also wants me to get a bunch of cartoons before the internet gets scrubbed of any and all downloads of them. She wants our future kids to grow up without being bombarded by advertisements.
>>15652636
>Mods for games are probably by far the most perishable digital good, as their distribution is rarely centralized, even nowadays.
You're the only other person I've seen that cares about mod archival. People really have this false perception of something being "always available" since it's available online. When FileFront/GameFront went down we potentially lost a lot of mods for a whole bunch of games (there's a 3rd party mirror now). I heard that because of the work of one valiant autist who archived all Jedi Academy mods and reuploaded them, their modding scene was barely affected at that time.
Last year or 2016 I went looking for the Allies Revenge 2 mod for Red Alert 2: Yuri's Revenge.
>https://www.moddb.com/mods/allies-revenge-2
There is no download on moddb only links that went back to their GameFront download page (dead). I find it fucking retarded to have a moddb page and yet not upload to it. Even if you checked their website (now dead) they directed you to GameFront to download. I only lucked out and found an upload of it on some obscure upload site because at that time, it was quite literally the only available source for the game and it wasn't easy to find. Now it's available on the GameFront 3rd party mirror so that's good.
I went through my backup CD's from 10 years ago and found an old version of it, for RA2 and not RA2:YR. That is what really solidified the importance of archival for mods. If Nexusmods dies for whatever reason, what happens to the mods that still work but have been abandoned for years? Will the creator just appear on some other forum and repost their mod or will you hope someone out there downloaded it before it died. What happens to the banned/removed mods? Like that faggot that removed all his mods as a "protest" against Trump. There is some Skyrim mod that isn't easily available on nexus but has multiple mods that depend on it/expand it (could be by same faggot previously).
Allies Revenge 2 is a well done total conversion of a "what if" scenario in the CnC world if tiberium (vinifera) consumed most if not all of the CO2 in the atmosphere turning the world into an eternal winter. 2 entirely new factions with no recycled units nor structures. It certainly wasn't perfect but it was a welcomed change to the CnC experience, it's not something that should be erased from history due to the shitty online infrastructure we have for mods and uploadable content.
8b9a42 No.15653427
>>15648339
Something that especially pisses me off are games that rely on a central server biting the dust and being completely unplayable when that server goes down, two of the main examples that annoy me are War of the Roses and Darkspore.
I'm not sure about Darkspore, but I'm convinced that WotR could be altered in such a way that would allow it to still be played, though nobody has yet attempted it.
5b8186 No.15653506
>>15651632
It's confirmed for GOG, you fucking nigger.
d5bb7a No.15653560
>>15653427
At least Diablo 3 will still have the console versions playable after the PC version shuts down.
22bb69 No.15653572
>>15653560
Until the console dies.
4c221b No.15653582
>>15653572
Hopefully we'll have good emulators by then
d5bb7a No.15653596
>>15653572
As it stands, it may be a bit easier to get a functioning emulator than to get some of these online-only games functioning again.
8cc859 No.15653624
>>15648961
Similar files, such as the same game from multiple regions, can compress nearly the same size one of them would. In fact here is a little guide I made for 7z.
7zip Compression
This is what I use to get small sizes when I care more about compression size than speed. Sometimes this helps a lot, but other times it isn't much better than the defaults. If compressing lots of near-identical files it helps a lot to make sure they are compressed together with a higher "Dictionary Size" than the whole set.
Compression Method: LZMA2. LZMA1 often works better for music CDs, but iirc the difference isn't huge.
Dictionary Size: The smallest size that is larger than the total size you are compressing, or the largest size you can manage if that is impossible. Larger than that does not help and might hurt a little.
Word Size: Maximum
Solid Block Size: Solid. More blocks help prevent the whole archive from breaking if a bit gets flipped, but it is best to keep multiple backups anyway. If you want the best ability to recover corrupt archives don't use 7zip.
Number of CPU threads: 2
You can get slightly better results than this by fiddling with the options and how files are arranged each time you compress, but that takes ages for very little benefit. Not worth it.
917d23 No.15653640
>>15653572
Wasn't there a PS3 version?
52da35 No.15653732
>>15653582
>emulate a ps4 to play a ported game
holy shit. nobody should have to go through with this. although maybe theres a certain charm to something so insanely ghetto, like running doom on a heart monitor.
589795 No.15654220
9d5a71 No.15654276
>>15648755
>OG Xbox
Thanks for reminding me TiZ died along with thousands of Xbox isos and obscure PC games
d08228 No.15654498
I am actually quite worried about wiiware games going away, wiiware is already down and I am fairly sure most of these cant be found anywhere else. Even if they port it to other systems it probably wont be the same since you wont have the motion controls unless you go get a wii mote and emulate the wiiware version.
4c221b No.15654776
>>15654498
I have what I'm pretty sure is a complete archive of wiiware and VC games.
3e82f1 No.15654956
>>15654776
That's a lot of garbage.
90cb3f No.15654966
>>15653021
Kill yourself, furfag.
d5bb7a No.15654985
>>15654966
You must be new around here.
ef9330 No.15655602
>>15654966
>being this new
22bb69 No.15655669
>>15654966
>being this blatantly new
How about you fuck off back to halfchan?
635b18 No.15655695
>>15654966
Oof, that's a yikes from me sweetie
22bb69 No.15655853
>>15655821
Says the one who has a Maff saved on your computer.
2780bd No.15655859
>>15655821
It's almost as if they were just waiting for this opportunity.
22bb69 No.15655885
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Anyone try compiling the latest source for Arx Liberatis recently? It's fucking miles better than the last full release (from 2013). New lighting effects and every thing is just smoother.
22bb69 No.15655892
>>15655885
Spells are a lot easier to cast at 1080p and higher too.
38f54a No.15655898
It's called the scene. Everything nicely archived, forever.
Yooouuu cuck :)
22bb69 No.15655900
>>15655898
And when the internet turns into cable 2.0, how will people distribute these archives?
65d874 No.15655930
>Texas, USA Joined June 2018
>639 Following
https://twitter.com/DolusMiles/status/1057142144274706437
I dunno, why do want yield attention to some anti-furfag?
Libbie isn't video games, but Freedom Planet Characters are.
Thread's about archival, but I don't see people supporting museums or archives.
Everyone knows for preservation you require distribution and propagation. People need to be physically and virtually sharing files, exactly because Copyright doesn't exist.
I dunno what more do you want
22bb69 No.15655933
>>15655930
Still gay for uncle, I see.
65d874 No.15655945
>188 Follower
2/188 followers. Whoopee. Chances of someone knowing the 8ch /v/ global post id out of all imageboards is pretty high, esp. when you crosspost with GamerGate accounts. It's bound to happen.
Honestly I don't comprehend what the fuss is about.
22ce8b No.15655947
>>15655853
What kind of autist doesn't?
22bb69 No.15655948
>>15655945
The kind that isn't into nigger goats?
65d874 No.15655950
>>15655933
What uncle? I just stumbled upon this just like >>15655821
I honestly don't know what more do you want with this thread if it's been discussed to death.
What, you want a (((you)))?
22bb69 No.15655958
>>15655950
ROMs get discussed a lot, not the other things.
65d874 No.15655965
>>15655948
I don't comprehend this post. Do you want nigger goats on this thread, or do you want them out? I surely don't comprehend.
All I know is nobody cares about game preservation because no one is working actively to preserve. When I see people donating time and effort distributing games, I'll bother again. In the meantime I'll keep posting on >>>/agdg/ and making a difference.
22ce8b No.15655966
>>15655945
>>15655950
It was a bad joke, Dolus is some guy who made a couple Libbie webms back in the day and knows a /tech/ drawfag. That, and I wanted an excuse to find out what the fuck Gimp 2.10 did to the iWarp too.
The fag didn't bring me here either, I came here for archival discussions and saw Libbies.
65d874 No.15655971
>>15655958
Then how are you preserving ROMs?
I made 3 TOR sites, we even got another >>15647134
What are you doing at all to distribute and propagate games?
22bb69 No.15655975
>>15655971
Opening threads on second-string imageboards.
65d874 No.15655978
>>15655966
Then delete your non-relevant posts and discuss there. I have no idea why all of you actively spam your own threads with low hanging bait. Self-moderation defeats most needs for moderator intervention.
If you want to discuss that with them, do so directly then.
22ce8b No.15655985
>>15655971
Ideally we should be sharing roms through IPFS, maybe over I2P if we're especially paranoid. The last thing we need is centralised hubs for Nintendo and other companies to take down.
65d874 No.15655986
>>15655975
Explain, how does that help preserve games?
22bb69 No.15655987
>>15655966
How is GIMP 2.10?
22bb69 No.15655992
>>15655986
Most of the fags who browse /v/ don't even think about the fact that they're going to lose thousands of dollars worth of software sooner or later. Threads like this bring it to their attention.
65d874 No.15655993
>>15655985
Then why aren't you? I already listed my eepsites, of which I clearnet cross into I2P.
65d874 No.15655999
>>15655992
>lose thousands of dollars worth of software sooner or later.
How so? You see, shit like this is what you need to discuss, instead of biting bait
I thought I had the power to program my own games, and not lose money, but time.
22ce8b No.15656003
>>15655987
I haven't used it much, but the default icon theme is awful, some stuff has been moved around (in iWarp's case, it's now the Warp Transform tool), and I think it loads faster too. There's a lot more stuff but you'd have to check the release notes for that.
22bb69 No.15656010
>>15655999
They'll lose the money, effectively, when their games don't work.
22bb69 No.15656013
>>15656003
Yeah, the new icon theme is nice to look at, but it's harder to identify things at a glance.
65d874 No.15656025
>>15656010
That's just a fact of life: games will break, file systems will corrupt, hardware will fail. (((Money))) will be lost.
It's the precious time we have that really matters, because we can always recreate, or improve the systems we cherish.
I still don't see how the anti-furfag had anything to do with your message of (((money))) loss. You got baited, and shit on your thread.
Isn't that wasted time too?
Hurry! Make your eepsite!
Preserve those games, you know you only have a few years left!
22bb69 No.15656036
>>15656025
This is an imageboard and people post memes that may or may not be directly related to the conversation. Things were back on track, but you keep going back to that. And getting the word out to people who may have never even thought about game preservation is important too.
65d874 No.15656067
>>15656036
You are confusing me with >>15654966
You could have made your cause more effective if you asked in Twitter "How do YOU preserve games?"
Instead of virtue signalling your following list who maybe sympathetic to anti-furfaggotry.
Pick your messages correctly, see the long run.
Join the cause, post YOUR .b32.i2p address now!
22bb69 No.15656076
>>15656067
It seems you're the one confused. My point was that we'd already gotten the thread back on track. And I do in fact share, not just ROMS, but assets.
22bb69 No.15656092
>>15656067
Also, this thread isn't JUST about roms. Engine replacements are even better.
22ce8b No.15656105
>check the go-libp2p repo
>no I2P support yet
Fugg, guess IPFS over I2P is a pipe dream for now. That would be the holy grail of anonymous filesharing.
65d874 No.15656106
>>15656076
I don't think so:
https://twitter.com/DolusMiles/status/1057136721589084160
You asked 2 furfags to look at your thread and point fingers at the anti.
I'm the one properly going back to the topic discussing how you can preserve games.
I even did you the favor on how you evade authorities by hosting TOR&I2P sites.
You seem to be doing everything against your own wishes of "getting the thread" derailed.
Are you sure not taking the myth Dolus to heart?
Where's your I2P address?
81e28d No.15656111
>>15648755
I hear it's a good emulation station. If so, I'd love to get my hands on one again, if only to have a portable fighting game arcade to take to friends' houses.
65d874 No.15656113
>>15656092
Why did i list >>/agdg/ again?
>>15656105
Try bittorrent to I2pd
22bb69 No.15656124
>>15656106
>you
Really? And I can share details like that elsewhere.
22ce8b No.15656127
>>15656113
Bittorrent over I2P is neat but still has a point of failure thanks to the tracker system. It's still better than nothing.
22bb69 No.15656131
>>15656113
And /agdg/ cant even be assed to make assets for OpenMW and EasyRPG, so I dunno why you're bringing that place up.
65d874 No.15656137
>>15656124
You are completely confusing me.
If you want to be profurfag, be my guest. If you want to have furfags preserve games, be my guest.
But don't play the "oh I wanted this, but did exactly the opposite of what I wanted to get the opposite results." You completely asked what you sowed.
>>15656127
What point of failure? On my free time I'm developing the solution to IPFS solely on bittorrent: multi-hash signing
65d874 No.15656145
>>15656131
Then compete with them! Make your own assets. I have no idea why you are so butthurt you derailed your own thread.
If you seek bad company, bad company you'll get!
22bb69 No.15656148
>>15656137
You are taking this really seriously.
d1c66c No.15656149
If anyone has any space I keep a handy pastebin of full sets
Consoles
https://pastebin.com/rWLzWdkf
Arcade
https://pastebin.com/GDs1jvei
Consoles (big file sizes: PS1, PS2, DS, DC, Saturn, ect.)
https://pastebin.com/ZY6R7bmM
65d874 No.15656157
22bb69 No.15656159
65d874 No.15656162
>>15656149
Preservation tip#1
Always self-host!
Pastebin and mega will ahutdown and arbitrarily delete link and files.
If you host on your computer on p2p software, even ISPs and law enforcement cannot intervene under fair use!
Don't be dependent on third parties, but share responsibility!
65d874 No.15656166
>>15656159
Then moderately I'll care for your cause.
Waiting on your eepsite, any post now!
22bb69 No.15656172
>>15656166
You're in a catty mood.
d1c66c No.15656175
>>15656162
At this moment in time I don't have the means to host anything myself, going through collage with a shitty 200gb hard drive laptop and a weak shared internet connection so I'm hoping someone around here can while the 3rd party sites still have them.
65d874 No.15656193
>>15656172
I'm emotionless. I just came to criticize your post.
>>15656175
Get into the computer science club, network your way to the IT department, and colocation a server in their IDF you lease for "computer science experiment".
Free T3 connect raw to the IP address of the university.
I'm even sure you can network yourself to a gaming club, even a datacenter nearby to try your "network experiment".
I'm you excuse is nonsensical since tgere others less fortunate than you in dial up that get intermittent access, and I can tether my phone for a nice 1mb/s reliable bittorrent connection.
Pays to be resourceful.
22bb69 No.15656203
>>15656193
>I just came to criticize your post.
And do you get upset whenever someone posts a Gondola?
65d874 No.15656214
>>15656203
Why would I? I'm not the one making an ass of myself by having furfags join in the bashing of someone that doesn't have such tastes.
Each man their fetish.
Each their volition.
Do your part today, and preserve some games and assets in the wonderful world of I2P!
22bb69 No.15656224
>>15656214
You make four Libbie posts sound like a dogpile. You're being overly dramatic to the point where you're the one derailing the thread.
So what has /agdg/ done to preserve games besides some of the people browsing there hosting ROMs?
65d874 No.15656268
>>15656224
You made the thread, called out furfags, and have yet to host ROMS, games and assets.The one dramatizing to the point where of derailing the thread is (((You))).
I mentioned >>>/agdg/ because I know that the real difference to preservation, which is made by distribution and propagation, is to create and recreate your favorite and new games. I know I can't trust old companies and hardware manufacturers to engineer permanent gaming devices, so I am making my own. That's the key to preservation, self-developing.
So next tine you get frustrated you are loosing money preserving games and ROMs the next generation doesn't even bat an eye to, I know I'll be making the remakes people will want to preserve and share away, because I'll let them.
Why do you think Touhou is extremely successful [at preservation]?
Because ZUN let others distribute and recreate his works free of charge!
22bb69 No.15656274
>>15656268
The fact that Zun allows non-commercial fanworks doesn't mean the binaries to his games are not going to break.
65d874 No.15656301
>>15656274
The fact he hasn't pressed charges allowed archivists to even bundle emulators with torrents of all his games.
Choose your tactics. Furfags have no interest in your goals or that of this thread.
I find more ironic that for a RPG fanatic you would pick the worst crowd and equipment to preserve your games and causes
Maybe I'm retarded, and I presumed you play for the gameovers
22bb69 No.15656305
>>15656301
Maybe you're making assumptions?
65d874 No.15656321
>>15656305
Cite me when gas ZUN ever pressed charges.
65d874 No.15656323
22bb69 No.15656333
>>15656321
I never said he did. I said being simi-libre when it came to is IP doesn't change the fact that his games are going to be incompatible with modern systems sooner than later.
65d874 No.15656347
>>15656333
How come I can play all the 98 games on Linux then?
How come people made ABIs and emulators them?
Ant mound over preservation hill.
You're picking to waste more time derailing your own thread than by now rehosting another ROM site!
And it's extremely easy to setup a TOR service!
What, do you need me to walk you through the process too?
22bb69 No.15656349
>>15656347
>What, do you need me to walk you through the process too?
Depends.
65d874 No.15656375
>>15656349
On what? Raising the post count? 'Cause that's all you're doing.
Here's a simple bunchu guide, retard proof:
https://github.com/alecmuffett/the-onion-diaries/blob/master/basic-production-onion-server.md
Prenty of jewtube and now peertube how-tos.
22bb69 No.15656381
>>15656375
How is Peertube these days?
51793d No.15656384
>>15648380
This. I am certainly weird and I'm going through the PSP library. Not in the LEAST concerned what the gaming community is doing.
22bb69 No.15656386
>>15656384
The PSP was a great handheld.
65d874 No.15656387
>>15656381
Better than gitgud.tv for sure. Sapphire did jack shit when Jeff burned out.
Iirc, Peertube already managed to 1.0 release, and it activpub federates.
Not for streaming though, for that FFMPEG is perfect. Jeff only managed to rtmp.
Can't honestly say, have tried it.
But I did see this wonderful thread >>>/tech/990075
Maybe we can discuss it there.
I don't see a future in webtorrenting general files like ROMs, it's too leaky.
22bb69 No.15656391
>>15656387
We could always talk about this stuff more in-depth elsewhere sometime too.
65d874 No.15656394
22bb69 No.15656395
>>15656387
Also, how much porn is being dumped on PeerTube?
22bb69 No.15656396
>>15656394
I think you already know.
113050 No.15656400
>>15656386
Honestly,during the 6/7th gen, all the handhelds were pretty good. Some were definitely better than others due to versatility and being more multi-purpose, but there weren't really any truly bad ones that come to mind.
65d874 No.15656401
>>15656395
I wouldn't know, I don't use Peertube.
>>15656396
What do I know? I asked. I'm oblivious to what "elsewhere" and "sometime" imply.
Do you mean Twitter?
22bb69 No.15656402
>>15656400
The only problems I had with the PSP was how fragile they were. Also, the shitty screen on the 3000 model.
22bb69 No.15656403
>>15656401
Twatter would be fine, yes.
51793d No.15656406
>>15648812
If you consume old media you can't spend money on new media
I am a member of bakaBT and I have been watching anime for 5 years. And yet I haven't watched or payed for anything produced in the last ten years. The only money I have spent is for my seedbox.
65d874 No.15656410
>>15656400
GBA only needed Analog joystick, and it would have been perfection.
>>15656403
>Twatter […] fine
So that the safety would call authorities on our warez .onion? What are nuts?
Not even Peertube uses Jack Dorsey's trap.
22bb69 No.15656413
>>15656410
So what would you suggest?
65d874 No.15656424
>>15656413
The thread I linked, in /tech/
Were you legitimately classified as retarded on birth, or is English difficult to proceed with you?
Your half ass responses only demonstrate disingenuousness.
22bb69 No.15656425
>>15656424
You have a way with words.
65d874 No.15656430
>>15656425
And you have no words, no substance, no soul.
Do better next time, and post your .onion today!
22bb69 No.15656439
>>15656430
Oh I have plenty of at least two of those things. And if you want me to do better, well, provide some incentive.
7f65e5 No.15656440
WHEN is Haiku going to be usable? I want to slap it on a Thinkpad.
22bb69 No.15656443
>>15656440
It's 'usable' now if you have the right hardware.
65d874 No.15656453
>>15656439
Yeah, shiposting and mimic a mythological character: a hoax and a deception.
I think I've done more than you have ever accomplished 3 lifetimes of your existence to provide as an incentive.
All it takes is dedication.
22bb69 No.15656457
>>15656453
It almost sounds like you're trying to impress me…
65d874 No.15656468
22bb69 No.15656474
>>15656468
I think I hit the nail there. Come chat me up whenever.
65d874 No.15656479
>>15656474
Nails are for hammering wood. You need lead to the head, it'll make you smarter.
22bb69 No.15656489
>>15656067
>lead to the head
That some Freudian stuff you let slip there?
22bb69 No.15656498
Anyway, this thread seems to have crashed into a nexus of the bad kind of *tism. Shame. I'll just have to try again with media preservation in general on /lit/.
65d874 No.15656506
Anyways, Dolus seems to have crashed the thread into a nexus of the bad kind of *tism. Shame. I'll just have to try again with media preservation in general on /leftpol/.
e3a717 No.15656509
>>15651271
>Soft mod console
>Create back up ID data on original drive
>Boot system with case open
>Unplug DVD drive since it won't boot without it plugged in
>Hook up new drive to DVD connection
>Connect both HDs together
>Clone data over
>Turn off Xbox
>Put new HD in old HD's place
>Reconnect DVD drive
>Brand new HD no problem.
Can even go over the Xbox's original size limit with custom firmware.
65d874 No.15656511
22bb69 No.15656514
>>15656506
>lefty/pol/
The board owner still like deep throating bratwurst? You guys should really go back to making marketable and lewdable catgirls.
72d1ff No.15656521
>>15656514
>leftypol
>marketable
I really hope you did that on purpose
22bb69 No.15656525
>>15656521
Their old mascot is VERY marketable. Anyway, I'm done. I'm off to the stealth game thread.
65d874 No.15656527
Yummy, furfags are the best! >>>/cow/548612
d1c66c No.15656535
>>15648812
What 's more bizzarre is how willing these people are to exchange money for temporary licences to play butchered versions of the same games they didn't see the point in preserving.
I hate to le npc meme but the more I see this shit the more I think some people are incapable long-term planning or delayed gradification; when the "next generation" (read: the marketer's attempt to distance when they can no longer profit from to make way for what they can) rolls in all of a sudden they become shy to talk about the past generation in the present tense or be seen outdoors with a last generation handheld. But when some jews decide muh retro is in season they flock like sheep to play super mario on an lcd with butchered aspect ratio in rgb. What fucking tools.
They can't see past the next E3.
22bb69 No.15656541
>>15656535
Worse are the people who pawn off their old games for the fresh crack.
65d874 No.15656546
>systemhidden4 hours/v/User deleted his own post #15655821
Amusing
e3a717 No.15656558
>>15656535
People raised in an environment with no long term punishments don't see the future as being a problem no matter how they behave.
6e2296 No.15656593
>>15656162
>If you host on your computer on p2p software, even ISPs and law enforcement cannot intervene under fair use!
006170 No.15656727
>(96)
>(39)
Click on both 22bb69 and 65d874 for a wild ride.
f705d9 No.15656735
>>15653049
>My wife also wants me to get a bunch of cartoons before the internet gets scrubbed of any and all downloads of them. She wants our future kids to grow up without being bombarded by advertisements.
You're a lucky man.
I've also started archiving mods recently, but I'm not well aware of many game modding scenes. For example, I'm currently archiving Half-Life, Morrowind (and to some extent, GTA) mods en masse because I not only know where to get that stuff, but I also generally know the history of these scenes since I was lurking around them back then, so I could ask some oldfags if there's anything they know or have that I missed. 49fe09 is specialized in archiving mods for racing games, so he'd be a much more competent anon to archive them than, let's say, me, since I'd obviously do a shit job at it. I'd suggest collaborating anons who are well aware of the modding scenes for any games and start collectively working towards archiving all mods, but honestly I haven't seen many anon collaborations that ended well. One of the other issues of archiving is preserving the first release versions of games, ESPECIALLY PC games. For instance, they might have features cut out in later patches, like Half-Life again.
Speaking of cartoons, I intend to archive not only videogames, but also movies, TV series, etc in their every form, ripping every DVD, Blu-Ray (and potentially VHS) available without any additional reencoding, with all the menus, special features and such. These are getting dangerously rare, even on Rutracker, since everyone prefers them already encoded and available from the start without any bullshit DVD's had (unskippable ads, intros, etc). But these discs are getting more and more lost because barely anyone considered uploading them in their original ripped form as an option. The only reason Rutracker still has a number of actual DVD rips available is that, before recently, many Russians preferred to burn those on DVD-R's and watch them on their DVD players.
And here comes the major pain in the ass that is the search for the most reliable archiving data storage. While HDD's with proper usage will serve about 10 years, maybe even longer, M-Disc BD's are claimed to live for a thousand years. But this counterargument to those discs' longetivity (http://archive.fo/Ck7D8) claims that M-Disc BD's are nothing special compared to standard Blu-Ray's, unlike M-Disc DVD's. One of the sources in the link is Verbatim, which claims that their BD-R DL's are tested to live for approximately 300 years and 2500 years for XL/TL's (http://www.mcmedia.co.jp/enterprise/pdf/LifeTestSummaryVer1.pdf). So far I've come to a conclusion that I'm gonna gamble it either way and burn most of the archived data that is in no need for updating (old mods, soundtracks, music and film in general, probably magazines, /pol/-related stuff, etc) on Verbatim BD-R XL's (note: keep them in a dry, cool place AND DON'T PUT THEM IN PLASTIC SLEEVES), while also backing up the primary data archive on several good HDD's (probably even several more for additional backup) so I could occasionally update it (romsets, active mods, GOG releases which tend to update occasionally, etc). It's gonna be a lot of hard work, but I think I'll post the first batch of results in 5 years, assuming 8ch will even make it that far.
83a432 No.15656739
>>15655602
>>15654985
>>15655669
>Its not furshit because I like it
Denial this bad is pretty sad.
4c221b No.15656808
>>15656735
I've considered getting a tape drive for backups. They're just so expensive, not sure it's worth it
dd6395 No.15656819
>>15652636
Reminder that zoomers will never appreciate what we had. They are 100% NPCs who play nothing but Fortnite. It's fucking worthless to save them. The thread you posted that in proved that more than enough. Future generations will be largely responsible for the cultural holocaust.
279608 No.15656858
>>15656808
Same, the drives alone cost a lot, so I dismissed that option. You'd be better off with the proven methods.
7c44ae No.15656924
>>15656843
>So many lewd in one image
I wonder if its this attempt to joke /tech/ isnt a undercover way to "convert" anons.
tip: the Kikki figurine is real
683a3f No.15657550
>>15653049
what's the gamefront mirror called?
I did actually try to back up a bunch of filefront files when it was going down, but without any scraping tools (and the website sucked too) for that you can imagine it's a massive task so I probably couldn't get more than 100GBs worth. I did get mods for games I liked.
d5bb7a No.15657612
>>15657550
Moddb actually bought gamefront and brought it back. Though while it was down, several sites were set up to back up mods- like armadafiles and the like.
edb818 No.15657848
>>15657612
>Moddb
But moddb didn't restore the original gamefront content
Here is an actual site mirror:
https://gamefront.online/files2/
Also all mods have been archived on Nexusmods by GamefrontArchiver
Just go to nexusmods tbh
d5bb7a No.15658116
>>15657848
It still seems to have the old content, and I'm pretty sure preserving those mods was the whole reason ModDB bought the site and put it back up. At least, all the mods for Bridge Commander and Elite Force seem to still be there.
fe6320 No.15658492
I have a seedbox that I throw some old JRPGs and VNs on. Trying to keep the flame burning. Its nice to do a good deed once in a while. And lest we forget
>sharing is caring
000000 No.15664537
Are anorganic archiving BluRays the best solution for high volume low maintenance long term storage?
>doesn't lose magnetization
>high volume, especially with multiple layers
>uses the same or similar compounds as M-Disc IIRC
>low cost per GB
94544d No.15664607
It's called hoarding and is documented mental disorder.
d5bb7a No.15664610
>>15664537
For consumer level, maybe. Hard drives and tape drives are still superior overall to my knowledge however.
3c267e No.15666450
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15648755
>There's no working emulator for it yet.
Cxbx-Reloaded has been a very promising project so far, some games are now playable at full speed.
cfd39f No.15669457
Pour one out for the games we've lost on Direct2Drive, that will never be playable again, like CellFactor: PsychoKinetic Wars.
000000 No.15672053
>>15648339
Don't fall for the restoration meme spread by scalpers.
Get games on emulators and never waste money on (((collections))).
917d23 No.15672755
>>15664607
How does it feel knowing that you entire collection of media, that you're preserving for future generations, can be taken away because some quack with a diploma says that you're not thinking straight?
8f7b73 No.15672788
>>15649279
>>PS2 collection is incomplete yet, but it's currently at 131GB (because it was harder to get niche shit even with emuparadise and its forums present back then)
How did you compile it? Straight up downloading each ISO separately or did you find a decent torrent?
4c221b No.15673327
4c221b No.15673336
>>15673327
Here's the thread, there's a bunch more links there https://archive.fo/fg4gD
5d5660 No.15674086
Script kiddie reporting in.
If you got giant collections of bins and cues, and want to consolidate them into 7zips for less files and less space (potentially a lot less space), I made a line that you can copy-paste into a batch file and place in the same directory as your disc images to automate things. So far I zipped up about 6000 games, and having them in separate zip files is important because I'm a pleb that has to use Launchbox. I'm pretty sure that the 7zip installer creates an environment variable so you don't have to point command prompt to where your 7zip is, but if it doesn't; just copy 7z.exe into the same directory as your images and it should just werk.
FOR %%i IN (*.bin) DO 7z a "%%~ni.7z" "%%~ni.bin" "%%~ni.cue"
000000 No.15682232
>>15664610
Hard drives
>good for frequent access
>highly rewritable
>decently low cost/GB
<loses magnetization after years of not writing to it
<possibility of mechanical failure, specialists to read the data after are expensive
not long term enough
Tape drives
>absolute cheapest cost/GB
<requires fuckexpensive tape drives that are way out of the price range of an average consumer
not consumer technology
d5bb7a No.15686885
>>15682232
I guess high-quality optical disks are a decent compromise then.
16910f No.15688557
>>15682232
Another option would be to create a server that has high capacity hard drives stored in a RAID 6 configuration in order to increase fault tolerance. This would allow data to be preserved and the new hard drives to replace the older ones as time goes on. It would also grant access to the stored data as needed. Raid 01 could also be used if you desire all of the information to be mirrored on each hard drive instead of using parity to recreate the lost information in the event of a drive failure.
16910f No.15688566
You could also use Google Drive as a temporary cloud storage method in order store what you can before they can be lost. Wouldn't be much but you could store a good bit of older games on a single account and then transfer them to new hard drives as you get them.
f705d9 No.15688618
>>15688557
I plan to build a server for sharing purposes, but I have no idea what would I use for secure sharing. There are several options like torrents, FTP, and lately people use Resilio for sync sharing, but what would you suggest? I had an idea that when my entire bulk of data starts making some sense and it is sorted well enough, at first I'd share it thru FTP to a number of anons (from the share threads, probably), so that they could start spreading it with me on public torrents when they're done downloading.
>>15688566
Thanks, I do consider a cloud storage as temporary transfer points, but it'll be a while before I really need them.
4c221b No.15688744
>>15688557
Daily reminder to back up your RAIDs
390663 No.15695719
Have people started preserving flash games?
>>15673327
Is there another place to get redump sets? It'd take years to download all of them from this site.
299d92 No.15695752
Where do I get ROMs in 2018? Coolrom went from being totally clean to being covered with adware and emuparadise is a mixed bag. Can I use an archieved version of a site or some other workaround?
The digital purge by large companies has made me paranoid. Six years ago I could get any ROM easily, but now everything is going down. The few games that I do have are now copied on CDs because I'm worried that I'll never have another opportunity to get them.
I wrote most of this before reading the thread. Thanks for the links posted ITT, anons. I'll check them out.
b2aa9e No.15696654
>>15695752
All it takes is a few seconds of searching to find any rom you want. If you're too stupid to do that, then you don't deserve to play them.
279608 No.15697139
>>15695719
Flashpoint is preserving thousands flash games, there's always a new release once in a few months.
8a8444 No.15699414
>>15652794
This man has never heard of inherited will.
ae01d9 No.15700222
>>15648339
>preserving literal shit no one cares about
Fucking lol
Private trackers and turbohoarders are here for that
601978 No.15701086
>>15648339
>haiku in screenshot
based
f424d1 No.15702066
>>15648812
>Every attempt at explaining the importance of posterity is met with "who cares, stop trying". It's a really bizarre phenomenon, like some weird quirk in human psychology and it explains why so much history is lost.
That's called "depression" anon. Even normalfags are slowly gaining an awareness just how bad things really are. Personally I've found liberty in hopelessness, its not like things can get 101% fucked.
601978 No.15705119
>>15649097
Give me some information. I just left an RPGmaker project that never got off the ground because it was run by idiots and I have a lot of shit I've made.
d5bb7a No.15705592
>>15705119
/v/'s bizarre adventure?
c490ab No.15714962
>>15648339
It's my hope that future generations will live in a new dark age after a massive solar flare wipes out the world grid. Only then will humanity return to sanity after the ensuing decades of war and hardship to follow. Mankind will have corrected it's course. So… No. I don't wanna
0bdbf0 No.15716041
How are the redump or trurip sets of the 8th gen looking like?
ef68f9 No.15716172
>>15702066
Yep stay positive. It could be worse! I find the idea that my life is meaningless oddly comforting.
3a779e No.15716257
>>15714962
you're a complete moron. this isn't like the bronze age collapse, if shit goes south for humanity its the end of the line for us and most likely the planet.
917d23 No.15716837
>>15716257
>its the end of the line for us and most likely the planet
b39b84 No.15717002
>>15716837
Nuclear winter. Reusable EMPs.
ef68f9 No.15717274
>>15716257
Nah, the earth will be around for billions of years. Keep in mind we don't have the technology to actually blow up the planet. Make it uninhabitable for a million years? Yes. Destroy it? No.
Its why you should not feel depressed. The universe will keep on going with or without humans.
b39b84 No.15717320
>>15717274
I forgot where I read it, but there are these long rod/needle that could orbit earth, and at anytime bring them down, and it would be more catastrophic than nuclear due to the crustal wave it would cause. This is ignoring the confirmed methane deposits in the crust exploding.
Think like cracking an m&m, Earth will be fine, but the crust would be wreaked.
be5d90 No.15717444
>>15717274
Well that's super cool and neat, but around 50% of all wildlife is gone since 50 years ago, the polar caps are melting fast, overpopulation is here and it's only getting worse. I don't think I wanna wait a million years to start over. I think we shouldn't let our world get raped to death.
1801f5 No.15717474
>>15717444
The wildlife shit is really fucking me up
It's all just going to be gone forever
c72fa5 No.15717486
>>15717444
You know all that is just a myth, right?
a04e22 No.15717498
>>15717444
Do like me, plan your death at 30. That's my plan anyway. People joke about becoming wizards, but then if they do, why don't they use their magic to fuck shit up? Blow up a couple of mosques and synagoges, raise some dead, etc.
So here's my plan, quick and easy, and can be executed (pun intended) at any time.
>1. get painkillers
>2. Get alcohol
>3. Get rope
>4. Aquire backpack of rocks (must be heavy)
>5. Get some handcuffs or other restraining device
>6. Find yourself some nice place to hang yourself. I live on the fourth floor, with some rigging I'll use my couch as an achor point. Take loads of pills, get drunk, put on backpack, noose around neck, cuff your hands behind your back.
>7. Jump.
That's all there is to it. Simple, easy, painful as all hell. I can't own a gun in my country (no, not britbongistan, but awfully close), so shooting myself is out of the question. I might find a tree somewhere, but I also want people to actually find me after my death.
917d23 No.15717530
>>15717444
>the polar caps are melting fast
Oh noes, whatever shall we do?
514722 No.15717569
>>15717444
>overpopulation is here and it's only getting worse
the only thing that's overpopulated is white people and they must be destroyed
6cddb0 No.15717592
>>15717444
Thanks for the laugh. None of that is true.
>>15717474
More things came into existence and died out before humans ever rose to the tribal stage than we can even keep track of. Any extinctions directly traceable to human activity weren't your fault and were completely out of your control anyways.
1da0b7 No.15717614
>>15717530
>Russia, Brazil, and Florida flooded
second impact right fucking now
9e0d8d No.15717692
>>15717444
>I think we shouldn't let our world get raped to death
1da820 No.15717696
>>15717002
>nuclear winter
The amount of soot generated is overrated
>reusable emps
Irrelevant
>>15717444
>50% of all wilflife is gone since 50 years ago
Admittedly humanity is responsible for a number of extinctions but you're acting like species don't go extinct all the time with relation to the age of life on earth.
>polar ice caps are melting fast
Life survived on earth without the ice caps before
>overpopulation
Population rates stabilized in the West, it's third world shitholes that are breeding too fast. Either we should reimplement apartheid or just cut off all contact with Africa. Problem solved.
8e316f No.15717701
>>15717530
>All the shittiest places on the globe go underwater
Hell yes, I can't wait
1801f5 No.15717740
>>15717592
I don't care who's fault it is, I want it fixed.
It's not just a few extinct species, it's wanton destruction on a large scale.
Half of them are gone. It's going to be a wasteland out there.
And here you are to discourage even considering it as a problem.
It's all just a myth. Everything inconvenient is just a myth.
At least until you don't need that narrative anymore because it's already over.
Then who cares? It's already done, so lets just live our lives like before.
Like I don't know what you are up to, I don't want to live in that world.
31a1c7 No.15717809
I have a fuck ton of recently lost homebrew games. What's the best way of uploading them? It's too big for mega so I'm assuming the best way would be through torrents. I'm retarded so I don't know how to do it (I've tried and it didn't work.)
6cddb0 No.15718077
>>15717740
>Half of them are gone.
No they aren't, you hysterical faggot. That's not how this works. You can have preservation without sucking Al Gore's green cock and believing everything some crying late night host tells you.
37d6f0 No.15720167
>>15717696
Nuclear winter: disrupts the weather. In a Month, no plant life left.
>Reusable EMPs irrelevant
After your hoods and Faraday cages are open.
>>15717809
Magnet link