/v/ - Video Games

>>15630669

Sonic can't be cool ever again. Why you ask? Autism. Sonic's name will forever be tarnished with autism and CwC.

Did you not play Mania?

Sonic needs more big busted women, like Rouge the Bat.

>>15630709

And also cool big busted robots.

Not until SA3 eventually happens(and it will)

never liked sonic tbh

>>15630719

Who cares about broken robots? Can you be less edgy

>>15630729

>>>/out/

Not the thread for you faggot, go back to your nintendies thread

Okay, niggers, here's what Sonic needs

>Mania is now a franchise, receives a new sequel every few years

>go back to the drawing board with 3D Sonic. Look at things people liked about various 3D installments, but incorporate more of the physics based challenge and sense of freedom from the 2D games. Maybe call on skateboarding games for influence

>RPGs, but do it right this time. Mario makes it work. This will satiate the plotfags

>>15630775

>mania

No

>rpgs

No

>3D

Go back to the sa1 way of doing things, except fix the camera.

>>15630815

>It's a "SA was the highpoint of the franchise" fag

Those games did more wrong than they did right. All you would really want to keep is the factor of Sonic's gameplay being less on rails than in later games, and maybe hub worlds and Chaos.

>>15630833

Kill yourself

Sonic has blue arms

>>15631518

but how else would you lick his hairless armpits

>>15631521

This guy gets it

>>15630736

>who cares about broken robots

>not wanting to fix broken robots and provide them with the love they've been denied

You're pretty cruel, Anon.

>>15630815

The original trilogy couldn't decide between exploration and muh going fast. Frankly, you don't notice this when you can't save. That's why playing the original Sonic games on an emulator is such a shore.

>>15633008

>The world's most way past cool comic!

<Sonic crying on the cover

<…Alone

o i am laffin

>>15633080

That's what's good about the original games. variety, and player choice. You aren't pigeonholed into playing the way the developers have decided. You can try to go fast, and speed run. You can take it slow and explore. You can play as many characters, but you only have to play as the ones you like.

>>15631467

lol

>>15633008

Didn't the guy responsible for this cover get removed?

>>15634068

Ken Penders, right? Yeah, they got rid of him, then he sued for the rights to "his characters", won, and forced them to reboot the comic because half of the cast were gone.

>>15634172

I've been thinking, one thing the 3D games have always lacked is the openness and sense of freedom and exploration from the 2D games. It would be nice to bring some of that back. Make levels semi-open, with different paths you can take, depending on the character you pick. Make collecting the chaos emeralds a challenge again. Don't segregate different game play styles to different characters (Sonic goes fast, Knuckles hunts for treasure). That's not fun. I should be able to do both of those things in any level, while playing as my character of choice.

>>15633440

This. The levels are designed to take to this into account by letting the players move at whatever speed they feel comfortable with as opposed to later games with an over-emphasis of speed boosters, pits, and no return points.

needs furry yaoi

>>15635272

>Australian Sonic

>Knuckles is punching Robotnik's teeth out

Of course.

>>15635913

Not to mention Knuckles's wife beater tank top.

>>15634109

Then another faggot sued because Archie started selling Digital reprints of muh original characters, and SEGA got so mad they took the license away from them.

>>15635272

>>15635913

I kind of want to see Robotnik, as a last laugh, cram a very angry emu into one of his mechs as a power source or whatever, resulting in two boss fights in a row.

Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles were pretty endearing characters until they talked. I'm not sure what it is about giving them a voice that seemingly ruined them.

>>15630669

I blame the furries.

>>15646860

Knuckles went from being the cool rival-type to being a fucking idiot with an IQ of a nigger.

Tails went from being a cute sidekick/little brother type to being a fucking annoying little shit with a screeching voice.

Sonic went from being cool and fast and not giving a fuck to trying desperately in every single scene to show how cool he is with shitty unfunny dialogue and failed banter.

two babies

>>15630669

who cares, just let it die

>>15630669

He was never cool, you were just 7 and autistic.

>>15651167

It was always an autism magnet

>>15646860

sonic has always been for kids, what kinda low effort bait is this? or maybe its just a bog standard diaperfur sonic fan posting

>>15661444

What the fuck, there's word filters on /v/ now?

>>15630669

>Will sonic ever be cool again?

When was GRIDS ever cool?

The best Sonic was in the 90s when there was 90s American culture influencing its design (particularly with 2 and 3 since they were developed in America with a mix of japanese/american talent at Sega Technical Institute.) Sega of Japan was managed so shitty that they weren't even planning a Sonic 2 and drove off all but one of the main talents from the first game. Much of the planning for Sonic 2 happened prior to SoJ deciding there should be a sequel and it was thanks to STI that the thing even got off the ground.

Adventurefags like to pretend like their japanese lore that completely different teams shit out nearly a decade later was all part of the plan, because they are ignorant of history and hang everything on Robotnik being called Eggman originally. Robotnik or Eggman makes little difference, but most of the shit that destroyed sonic from Adventure onward was new made up retardation by an uncaring new team completely disconnected from what made Sonic great and with what made Sonic 2 and 3 shine.

>>15661447

>now

Just how new are you?

>>15661619

I've been he since the first exodus. I've never been censored before.

>>15661621

same, wtf word did they filter? i dont have the link to the list anymore

>>15661621

They are mostly used to protect Mark's interests, so if you normally didn't trip over those you wouldn't notice. Mark gets a check from Nintendo of America every month.

>>15661628

The word /tv/ uses a lot

>>15661628

>>15661636

This is a test: Kino's Journey.

>>15661643

Kino

>>15661647

What the fuck. I don't understand why my other post's text was changed.

>>15661636

what /tv/ says alot?

hmmm….

this is a test

>i love jews

>teh sex

>cocks taste good

>im a faggot and im proud

>kino

>talmudvision is fine

>i dont mind alittle pozz

>i dont mind alotta pozz

>cuckoldry is a top tier fetish

>why do people say our BO looks like a potato with hair? he looks like most people in my family

Sonic was never cool. Let that sink in you cucks.

>>15661808

He was cool until he opened his mouth.

>>15661603

Plenty of 3D Sonic games are good, they just fail to translate the specific things that made classic Sonic. You have to just stop expecting classic Sonic, and take them for what they are. The Adventure or Unleashed styles can be a lot of fun, when executed well. They aren't ideally what I would want out of the franchise, but I can appreciate them. Call them anything but Sonic, and people would generally think they were pretty okay.

Here's a game that's attempting to do Sonic Adventure gameplay without Sonic, and it looks pretty cool. Strip away the baggage of expectations that the Sonic brand carries, and suddenly it becomes something with it's own unique appeal, and not just a game that's "doing Sonic wrong".

>>15630669

*Notices bulge*

OwO

>>15661875

>Plenty of 3D Sonic games are good

wrong.

its not about getting old sonic back, 2d sonic can co-exist. but if 2d sonic translated into 3d well, like as i suggested, it wouldnt be 2d sonic, and 2d sonics retarded cousin, it'd just be 2d sonic and 3d sonic.

>>15662161

What's wrong with SA2's Sonic stages? I've seen worse platformers of that era get a pass, like Pac-man World.

>>15662132

A lot of these are to protect against the CP posting that used to happen a lot, or to prevent direct links to shitty sites, so they are understandable. The ones to filter out memes Mark doesn't like or words that would otherwise expose newfags which helps them blend in are fucking cancer though. Mark is too busy sucking a million cocks a day to remove them though.

>>15662233 (check'd)

Right now, the cake kike wordfilters 'r3ddit spacing' to 'meme spacing'. No reason other than to be a faggot.

Also, not sure if it's still in effect so I'll test it here, but for awhile he filtered 'normalfag' to 'normalfag'.

>>15662262

Yep, the kike still has it. 'N0rmie' filters to 'normalfag'.

Stupid fat jew.

>>15662206

its completely linear. when youre not speeding, youre walking. you lock on to attack. the controls are terrible and the game gives you no feeling of freedom and there are few, if any options in how you engage a level. its like "you can either run down the center, or hit a boost thats 2 feet to the left… both lead you to the same place though…

i dont know anything about pacman world.

>>15662268

Sure, they're linear, but that isn't a bad thing in and of itself. I find the homing attack satisfying, and never had trouble with the controls.

Pacman World is a generic platformer that's okay. 6th gen was full of these games, and people remember them fondly, while hating Sonic Adventure, which was better. Ty the Tasmanian Tiger seems to get more leeway with people than Sonic Adventure, purely because it's not a Sonic game, and doesn't carry those expectations.

>>15630669

>again

sanic never was and never will be cool you fat retarded spic

>>15662291

its not that its linear, its that there is no option in how you engage, and most of the gameplay is essentially done for you. the game locks you on tracks… and you dont even have a choice in the tracks. its like youre playing an on-rails racing game rather than a fast platformer.

i think sonic would be a top tier 3d game if they explored gameplay similar to defunct or the video i posted earlier.

linear in and of itself isnt bad, but thps2 would be a shit game if it was linear.

a big part of the fun in sonic is similar to the type of fun in thps games. the meat of the game isnt just collecting things, or running to a specific destination, its more about stringing together a proper route. by making it linear you completely remove that aspect, so instead of "fast" being a fun reward for good navigation and well timed jumps, its just the speed in which the game operates.

>>15662427

I don't think that's even necessarily a problem though. Like you say, it works for racing games. It works for a lot of things.

And I think you're exaggerating just how linear most of those levels are. They have branching paths and things.

>>15662470

seems like you just don't want to admit that the 3D games range from bad to mediocre

Can anything be cool any more? The entire concept of something being cool seems like it's from the past. Maybe Devil May Cry is still cool but very little else.

>>15662505

I'd say they range from bad to good. None of them are as good as the better 2D games, obviously. There are still good 3D Sonic games.

>>15662427

Sonic can work fine as a linear experience. Sonics biggest problem is he's a speed meme and no one wants to make a level flow any more. It's all going super fast and holding boost buttons. Sonic would be better suited to a normal platform game with linear levels that allowed you to use limited bullet time to get past obstables. Bullet time is a good way to represent super speed while not being boring to play.

>>15662532

You could just make a good platformer. Sonic doesn't have to move that fast. He's not that fast in the original games, or the Adventure games really. Maybe twice Mario's running speed.

>>15662517

They aren't good though. The best ones are playable, but lacking in challenge, and they have terrible story segments.

>>15662552

That's why I said the speed meme is the problem. Bullet time as a burst of speed is a good solution to solve the speed meme while still making gameplay work.

How cool would it be to be on an Eggman ship and using bullet time to run through spinning propellers? Or getting through a land slide?

The concept fits sonic perfectly and it's been long enough that games have left behind bullet time. Now it would be a semi fresh mechanic.

It sucks that mania did so well because they will give up on real sonic games and make crappy nostalgia baits using exploitative practices with fanboys desperate to do anything sonic.

>>15662564

Sonic has very few bad games. Sonic CD has bad level design, Sonic 3D is sketchy, Pinball is bad. 06 is broken. But sonic is on average decent. Not good, not bad, but you can play it and have fun. It's the type of game you used to pay 20 bucks for as a kid and enjoyed for a few weeks.

>>15662582

>spinball is bad

Spinball is better than all of the 3D games. I am sorry that you have shit taste or were unfortunate enough to grow up with the Adventure titles, but they are shit. They are offensively bad. They play, sound, and look like they were made by some small shitty company instead of Sega.

>>15662564

I would say Generations is a legitimately good game, and I hear Colours is better, but haven't played that yet.

The Adventure games are a mixed bag. Sonic stages are fun. Other characters range from okay to boring. The writing is pretty shit, but quaint in a strange way.

Heroes is okay. Lost World is okay.

>>15662593

I grew up with sonic on the mega drive. I got Sonic 2 on release day. Fucking fight me.

>>15662593

>Spinball is better than all of the 3D games

well that bar is low.

>>15662470

it works for racing games, but racing games arent fun if youre not racing anybody. racing games typically have complex speed mechanics as well, while sonic movement is extremely simplistic

branching to other linear paths isnt what i mean and completely defeats the idea.

i said it earlier, the fun in a sonic game comes from speed being a reward. on a linear path designed to go fast, the speed is not a reward. so where is the fun coming from? just going fast? going fast is easy when its just the speed the game operates at.

its not rewarding so its not fun.

>>15662532

i think the levels could just be designed like i gave examples for earlier. being able to choose your "flow" rather than following a linear path would give the game more freedom, make it more repayable, and make the speed a reward for good playing rather than a gimmick that it just "has to have to be a sonic game"

mirrors edge is also a good example of the "flow" im trying to describe. once you get a good path/flow going, you start moving faster and that speed is the reward.

sonic 2D all had a flow, which is why an experienced player can launch through a level, while a new player will be slamming into spikes, enemies, or walls which stops the flow, stops the speed, and stops the reward.

>>15662635

i still have my sonic copy that came with my genesis. i still remember being hyped when i saw sonic 2 on nick arcade, followed by rage when the first time the arcade popped up, the retard contestant picked something else.

you want to compare our sonic autism? because youre not going to win this.

>>15662648

>it works for racing games, but racing games arent fun if youre not racing anybody.

You can race against the clock. Not all linear games are racing games, also. There's rhythm games, on rails shooters, beat em ups. Lots of things.

>>15662676

How is any of what you just said a defense for a Sonic game?

>>15662690

Because a game just has to be good. It doesn't have to fit a narrow framework that you think constitutes "Sonic games".

>>15662676

read the rest of my reply.

sonic 3d games arent racing games, theyre not rhythm games, on rails shooters, or a beatemup.

racing games dont get their fun from following a path, the fun comes from the complex movement mechanics. rhythm games dont get their fun from hearing the song, the fun is in the timing. on rails shooters dont get their fun from going from point A to point B, its about accuracy and reflexes. beatemups dont get their fun from following a linear path, the fun is from the combat.

but sonic 3d doesnt have any of that. the fun in sonic is non-existent. the speed isnt a reward. the movement isnt fun or complex, and the level design is just narrow pathway that sometimes branches into other narrow pathways. the combat is just locking on, and most of the feeling of momentum comes from QTEs

>>15662747

Generations is basically a rhythm game. It's all in hitting things at just the right moment to make the best time through the level.

>>15662711

but sonic 3d games arent good, and i explained why.

a 3d platformer's fun usually comes from the movement. in order to force in the speed meme, they sacrifice precise movement. then they get around imprecise movement ruining the game by making the levels a long straight path, so even though you have no control, you can manage to get from point A to point B. because there are no other ways to go.

wtf is a platformer without precise movement or even freedom to choose where you move?

its like giving a kid a sled, then because he cant control himself, you restrict him to running on a walled track.

i suggest instead of a track, give him a large mountain to sled down with lots of obstacles and directions to choose.

>>15662768

>hitting things at just the right moment

you mean to trigger parts where sonic auto-runs through levels? is triggering multiple consecutive QTEs fun?

>>15662820

You should play the game. It's basically a series of moments where you have to jump, roll, or move at just the right moment, or you miss the best path.

You can auto-run through the game if you want to play poorly, like you can hit every wrong note in a Guitar Hero song, if you want to play that way, I guess.

>>15662900

that looks boring. most of that game footage youre just holding a button while watching sonic do ebin stuff.

who finds this fun besides kids and massive casuals?

this is "press X to awesome" applied to a platformer.

this is exactly why sonic 3d games are shit.

the "press X to awesome" is not an interesting concept, and even less since the game slows down and waits for you… you lock onto enemies… its just a mess.

youre barely even in control of sonic so its not like there is much skill progression.

where is the fun? what is the reward? whats my motivation for getting better?

>>15662965

Earning your S rank?

>>15662973

>getting a high score in and of itself is fun

no, i mean where is the fun.

is in watching sonic move along a narrow path or zipline automatically?

is it dashing into enemies you auto lock onto?

is it knowing which path is the best path?

>>15663027

Those are all fun, yes. If you're going to go off on any moment where the game takes control away for a second to show you something cool, you should probably take issue with the original games too. Ever play Hyrdocity Zone?

>>15663061

most of the runtime of the video you posted the game takes control away from you.

the 2d sonic games had warps, but youre straight up wrong to think it comes to filling most of the gameplay, or even half of it.

in 3d sonic its most of the gameplay. flipping through the footage you sent, i barely even saw any play controlled gameplay… i had to look for it.

and when those moments came… they were slow, awkward, with 1 way to go. and literally no challenge. it was just an interuption between more ebin QTEs.

>>15663107

>most of the runtime of the video you posted the game takes control away from you.

No it doesn't. Maybe if you only watched Green Hill Zone.

>>15662512

>The entire concept of something being cool seems like it's from the past

I know. Nowadays things have to be meta, "making a statement", (((ironic))), or actively focused on trying NOT to be vidya.

>>15630775

I was thinking an RPG as well. I think for me, whenever I like a series, I actually WANT spin-offs in different genres just because it lets us experience the world/story from a different angle. Sometimes they don't go so well, but the very worst ones are the ones that contradict the canon and lose that cool value (Fallout 3, 4, Tactics, BoS, that kinda thing).

>>15662427

Your complaints make no fucking sense, anon.

First, you say that you dislike 3D Sonic because it lost what the game needed and it became too automatic. But then you say that linearity is what ruined Sonic, even though the 2D games are linear, and that all 3D games lock you on tracks without having a choice on them, when the Adventure games do the opposite. Then you say they also sacrifice movement, but the later games grant different, varied kinds of movement to deal with the stages. Then you keep comparing it to different games which have an entirely different intent to that of Sonic's. I understand where you're trying to go, but it doesn't seem like it actually has to do with Sonic

>>15662262

Did he really filter meme spacing? I distinctly recall seeing him remove the filter in the thread where he learned it wasn't actually a meme due to the way reddit processes carriage returns.

>>15663695

Holy fuck he changed it back.

sonic characters are fucking hot

>>15662265

Let me test this.

meme spacing

>2 or 3 paths

Basically the same as most 3D games.

Anyhow, the argument that the games are bad for not being the same as 2D Sonic is fallacious in itself.

>>15661603

>there were no good sonic games between sonic and knuckles, and sonic mania. not a single one

THIS