976f45 No.15609978
Lots of games try moral choices or just 'the hard decisions' but it is rare if ever i will find one that makes me stop in my tracks and agonise over the choice. In fact in memory i can only think of one time, SPOILERS FOR NIER AUTOMATA
>Meet peaceful robots that live in a village lead by pacifist former giga killbot named pascal
>Later in the game a bunch of the other robot factions go insane and start eating each other
>Pascal leads the 'children' newer machine consciousnesses in fresh or old bodies to a warehouse while you fight them off
>Pascal breaks centuries old vow of pacifism to save the children
>Get back to them after huge fight involving mgs4 style fistfight but with mecha
>Everythings coming up mill-
>All the children are dead
>They killed themselves
>In order to teach them morals and to be good kids pascal unintentionally taught them to fear their mortality and they chose death over conflict
>Pascal simply cannot deal with the results of what he thought was right
>He asks you to do one of two things:
>Erase his mind, format his brain and start him over as a blank slate
>Or kill him.
Now without the scene and the voice acting that might not sound like much, or to you it might be a simple answer, either any life is precious and erase him or its techincally the death of self either way to kill him rather than leave an empty shell pottering around selling the remains of the kids to you as a junk vendor later.
This had me agonising over it for like ten real world minutes. I put my controller down and out loud said to myself "i can't choose this for him" and eventually i chose the erase route since maybe he could find some new happiness while death was a true end, but boy was it fucking rough.
Have you ever had a game give you a choice and you found it almost too hard to make?
>inb4 mgs3 even though kojima gave you no choice at all.
f53ac4 No.15609981
>>15609978
I just google it to find out which one is going to give me the best rewards.
7939ff No.15609987
>SPOILERS FOR NIER AUTOMATA
>doesn't actually use spoilers
32a3aa No.15609992
>>15609978
They’re all machines. They don’t have souls, consciousness, or sapience. Their behavior is meaningless and they don’t have desires other than those programmed into them. You just destroy it like a sane human being who hasn’t been brainwashed would.
2fba9f No.15609993
>can't spoiler
>splitting
>every
>sentence
>with
>a
>nonsensical
>line
>break
great thread OP
d78db5 No.15609995
>>15609978
>Have you ever had a game give you a choice and you found it almost too hard to make?
no because I can always replay the game and pick the other option
3037e9 No.15610010
>>15609981
You're an asshat.
f53ac4 No.15610016
>>15610010
I also never do blind playthroughs.
976f45 No.15610017
>>15609992
The whole point of the game is that its not that simple. Aliens invaded but were losing the war so created machines. machines designed to learn. eventually they found the files archiving something called 'project gestalt' from the first nier that seperated human souls and preserved them and used this tech to make new machines with 'machine cores' that imitate human souls. Then when they start to win their now human nature causes them to break down. With no drive they revert back to mindless machines. So they take machine cores and make a new form of android based on the human made ones designed to run 'project replicant' that made clone humans to put the souls in after a plague burnt itself out but that failed. So all of a sudden 'androids from the moon' show up to inspire the replicant androids and the war goes on, the machines eventually become so human they splinter into factions and try different types of culture, repeating the same mistakes time and time again because they are 'only human'.
Its basically the hellboy scenario "what makes a man a man, is it the circumstances of his birth, or the choices he makes that define what he is?"
b4ee39 No.15610084
>>15610017
where do you think we are, it's the circumstances of birth
3ad58c No.15610101
>never played NIER AUTOMATA
Well he just wanted to feel good and having bad emotions from being responsible, which he forces on himself, is a sign of being subjected to what is in the end a primal dog chasing his tail. In the end he was as weak as his vanity for the kids and that being shown for truth by the result. This cause an err of his logic and shows how immature he was to try to change something than learning from it. You should not left a being such as this survive . That would be my answer to this dogmatic question.
2f2dbc No.15610609
yes
>game gives you two possible options
> pick A and you have to kill someone but you save X
>pick B and you let them live but X may die
>Spend 20 minutes irl deciding what i'm going to do it's that conflicting.
>finally decide fuck it pick one
>no matter what you picked it made absolutely no fucking difference
Why do games do this?!
273bb8 No.15610632
>>15609996
fuck I forgot about this
I think I decided that giving radiation poisoning to an unknown number of people and destroying their primary food source was a better option, but now that I'm thinking about it, I don't know if a farm is really worth the lives of the trapped dwellers.
5ea8d9 No.15610650
>>15609978
You know you can also just walk away right? That was obviously the most humane route you fucking lobotomizing psycho. If pascal wants to be human he has to deal with living with shit, pretty simple, the whole plot line was MAX melodrama anyway, hardly a real ethical quandry.
Either way it didn't matter because the whole second half of the game was totally phoned in and had zero real consequences to any of your actions.
273bb8 No.15610653
>>15609992
>They’re all machines. They don’t have souls, consciousness, or sapience. Their behavior is meaningless and they don’t have desires other than those programmed into them.
You could argue the same thing about humans and animals. After all, what are we but machines made of flesh, blood, and DNA? All of our base desires are programmed into our brains with chemical responses. Even the desire to explore stems from our evolutionary history as a nomadic species. Finding new places means finding new opportunities for our species and therefore, evolutionary success. Why should an organism with circuitry made of silicon and transistors experience anything less than your own circuitry made of carbon and sodium ion channels? You might claim that such a creature is in fact without a soul, but you would have to prove that a soul exists first. Is a soul something that is placed inside of a vessel upon its birth? Or is it something that develops out of a conscious mind?
2f2dbc No.15610666
>>15610653
>Why should an organism with circuitry made of silicon and transistors experience anything less than your own circuitry made of carbon and sodium ion channels?
Because machines are not alive. no matter how intelligent no matter how life like, a computer in its base form is an on and off switch.
anthropomorphizing things is humans way to detect emotion and figure out if something is hostile or not.
Does a car have a face or is it you projecting that thought.
7a6a3a No.15610670
>>15610609
To stop people from making the same mistake the writers did and droop out of their philosophy classes.
5ea8d9 No.15610672
>>15610653
'Soul' is just our way of coping with the fact that neuroscience still has no fucking idea whats going in the human brain that makes us do stuff. Hence why the assumption that robots are lesser than humans because we can only create what we can imitate and we can only imitate what we understand. A silicon based lifeform, even a robot if developed by a race significantly more advanced race, can be considered as on par with a human being. Which is the real crux of the question since the robots in nier literally were developed by aliens. The androids on the other hand there is significantly more room for doubt as to whether they qualify for a reasonably comparable sapience except for that the black boxes come from the alien robots and not from human design
>>15610666
Holy shit satan work on your fucking formatting this post looks more retarded than it reads.
1cc30b No.15610676
>>15609978
It's too bad you're a subhuman redditor, the thread idea is sound but your post is complete garbage and identifies you more easily than a giant nose identifies a jew.
5ea8d9 No.15610677
>>15610673
You forgot your bait flag
7a6a3a No.15610680
>>15610666
Nice trips but
>Does a car have a face
Yes.
ff027a No.15610686
How the fuck did learning to fear death make them want to kill themselves?
273bb8 No.15610689
>>15610666
>Because machines are not alive.
What defines "life" for you?
Is a bacterium alive?
We can replicate the behavior of such simple organisms within a computer program, and we could even create a small machine that builds more of itself by consuming materials in its environment. Just like a fungus, or a bacteria, or a paramecium, or a plant, or any other organism on Earth. An organism constructed entirely out of servos and processors could exhibit identical behaviors to that of a lizard, for example. Why should such an organism not be considered "alive"? Furthermore, the human brain's entire function rests on the capability of neurons to send signals between one another, simple "on/off" signals. Many microorganisms that we consider to be "alive" also operate, chemically, on similar principles. Just because the underlying principle is simple does not mean the organism is less complex overall.
Let me be clear, I am not necessarily implying that any machine which produces intelligent thought is human, and I'm not necessarily implying that it is even "alive". But it is certainly something more than "dead"
758a55 No.15610698
Yes. Trust scenarios in mmos as well as scamming people. Some people I just let go during a ruse if the gain is insignificant for me but the loss is significant for them.
2f2dbc No.15610709
>>15610689
Sure you could replicate those animals but they are still not a alive.
A shadow puppet on a wall replicates animals but You understand its not alive, it's merely an illusion.
No matter how much Intelligence you project onto a machine it is and will always be a machine who follows instructions, it can never think for itself, everything is predetermined. The machine can come into a path and chose the left or right, it doesn't matter it made those decisions because of predetermined programming not because it decided to go left or right.
computers seem very complicated but if you take away all of the complication and go to its base function. it is nothing but an on and off switch, the switch can not be turned on or off without your input.
Those bacteria also display more intelligence than any machine can. If you took a single bacteria on its own it doesn't display much intelligence but as a whole ecosystem they control the brain of a human, its personality, its intelligence, its wants needs and feelings.
computers are calculators created out of on and off switches, we figured out that you can hold useful information by keeping some switches on or off and keep it in memory.
32a3aa No.15610711
>>15610653
1. Machines are not alive.
2. Sapience is caused by inimitable processes on the quantum level.
There’s no quandary here for anyone with any actual knowledge of biology, neurology, or philosophy.
5441d2 No.15610720
>>15609978
The best part of that scenario is you can just walk out and leave Pascal. To which Pascal says something like "A2, why" when you leave. You get one of the fake endings for that too I think.
5441d2 No.15610726
>>15610709
Everything can be broken down into a series of binary choices. The universe is just a really complicated program.
a8904d No.15610730
>OP doesnt know what spoiler tags are
>the sheer amount of double spacing in this fucking thread
Reported for reddit. This just gets worse by the day.
2f2dbc No.15610732
>>15610726
yes but the universe is not binary, it is infinite.
2f2dbc No.15610735
>>15610730
double spacing isn't reddit you autistic fucking trash, learn to write.
(USER WAS DOWNVOTED FOR THIS POST) 5441d2 No.15610749
>>15610732
It was off at one point and now it's on
a8904d No.15610750
>>15610735
Thanks for the (You), youre more than welcome to keep it coming.
6ba8b8 No.15610754
>>15610730
all spacing should be banned on this board. seperating and spacing is a reddit thing. look at the old days of chans we clearly had everything down in a meticulously detailed way.now the new fags who space are here. spacing=ban kill those who space
273bb8 No.15610770
>>15610709
>A shadow puppet on a wall replicates animals but You understand its not alive, it's merely an illusion
I am not speaking of puppets, which are bound to some intelligent mastermind. I am speaking of inorganic or organic combinations of molecules that self-replicate.
>The machine can come into a path and chose the left or right, it doesn't matter it made those decisions because of predetermined programming not because it decided to go left or right.
The same could be said of any human being. How can that human being be sure they in fact chose the path? What if instead of deciding, their choice was actually determined by a series of subtle calculations performed in their brains as their neurons fire, calculations which have been influenced their entire lives by the collection of their experiences? How can a person be sure that their entire life has not been informed by such unconscious processes? How can you be sure?
>computers seem very complicated but if you take away all of the complication and go to its base function. it is nothing but an on and off switch, the switch can not be turned on or off without your input.
Consider the humble neuron, it only fires with a sodium ion channel creating an action potential. How is this different from an mosfet transistor? The mechanism is different, but the function is the same. Either a signal is passed on, or a signal is not passed on. A transistor is on, or a transistor is off. A neuron fires, or a neuron does not fire. Obviously, the human brain is vastly more complex than any contemporary electronic device. But the underlying principle is still remarkably similar.
>Those bacteria also display more intelligence than any machine can. If you took a single bacteria on its own it doesn't display much intelligence but as a whole ecosystem they control the brain of a human, its personality, its intelligence, its wants needs and feelings.
The same can be said of a computer. A single computer could emulate the same behavior of one bacteria, and a network of many computers could act just as an ecosystem of bacteria would act. You say that the replication of animals is not life, but you have not yet defined for me what "life" is. I myself am not quite sure what it means to be "alive"
Is a bacteria alive?
Is a virus alive?
Is a prion alive?
If these things are to be considered living creatures, then why shouldn't a machine?
Even if that machine is not intelligent, it is certainly more alive than a rock, isn't it?
>>15610711
>1. Machines are not alive.
But what makes something alive?
If I create a machine that digs minerals from the earth, harvests energy from the sun with solar panels, and builds copies of itself that repeat the process, how is this machine any less alive than a bacteria?
Certainly it might not be sapient, but why should that mean it is not alive? Furthermore, if one machine can behave as a bacteria can, then perhaps after many millions years of modification and adaptation, that machine might evolve to become more complex.
32a3aa No.15610780
0ba7aa No.15610789
>>15610650
If you walk away he commits suicide.
273bb8 No.15610816
>>15610780
I think this is a fairly comprehensive definition, but it does not necessarily mean that a machine could not be alive. We can construct machines that have the "capacity for independent motion against a force," and these same machines can also be taught how to respond and adapt to obstacles or new situations. A machine could also "metabolize" in a sense, by processing sunlight through a photovoltaic cell. And self replicating machines have also been demonstrated before. So, while it may not be possible now, consider an extremely complex machine that is the product of many many years of development.
It can walk and act on its own and it can recognize danger and will move itself away from potential harm. It is also able to perform maintenance on itself to prevent premature breakdown. This machine stores energy from the sun and digs through the Earth to process minerals. It takes these processed minerals to furnish itself with the necessary tools to reproduce. Once it gathers enough minerals, it begins to build a copy of itself. Clearly this machine would be impractical to implement with current technology, but hypothetically, why should it be impossible?
6678e0 No.15610820
>>15610735
Was this post really deserving of a ban?
9cf015 No.15610845
>>15610770
>What if
That is not a "What if", all choices made by you were already made by your subconcious mind 20 seconds into the future. Your conscious mind is merely an observer that deludes yourself into thinking you make conscious choices on the spot when in reality you're actually behind what's happening in real time.
f4ebc0 No.15610848
>>15610820
Don’t post like a redditor (in both content and form) and you won’t be banned for being one. It’s not that hard to understand.
Alternate explanation: This is what happens when literal fat gay jews run your board.
273bb8 No.15610851
>>15610845
I'm not quite sure if I follow. If I understand properly, you're saying that all of our decisions are made for us by our subconscious minds, and we are simply fooling ourselves into thinking we actually made that decision? If so, then is that subconscious mind choosing in a very different way from how a machine would decide?
4e8d28 No.15610856
>>15609978
Only once.
>all inactive and active party members join into a fight, taking sides
>game makes you choose between two sides since they were about to start killing each other
>a third choice was to not choose to side with anyone since everyone was being pants on head retarded
>debate on it for a while but finally go with the third option hoping to save all of the party
>choosing the third choice stalls them, but also pisses them all off (since it gives them more time to argue) and ultimately forces you to kill your ENTIRE party
>you now have to finish the last third of the game with no party members
This type of situation annoys me to this day whenever I find myself stuck in the middle of some bs. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Sometimes there really is no right answer at a given time, so you just have to suck it up and choose before it gets even worse due to your inaction. I'm still not even sure if this was the lesson of that scene either, but that is what I got out of it at least.
35ffa7 No.15610859
In Deus Ex I had to choose between the illuminati and some other choices, it was pretty tough dude
e3f323 No.15610865
Warning, huge faggotry ahead.
After finishing DDLC I was legit in a deep depression and mental panic constantly thinking about how a virtual character could be aware of it's existance and it's own suffering, and when you shut the game off it's trapped in a void of nothing,it made me feel bad when i shut the game off and i kept rebooting it with a happy ending mod so she wouldn't be scattered to the endless digital wastes
892eae No.15610873
>>15610686
Have you ever been afraid of something and just wished you could get it over with already, so you don't have to live in fear of that thing? It's like that.
9cf015 No.15610905
>>15610851
More or less
>If so, then is that subconscious mind choosing in a very different way from how a machine would decide?
The biggest flaw in your comparison to a switch and a Neuron is that a Neuron is not "just" an on or off switch or binary 1 or 0, it is a logic gate and the filter of allowable inputs and outputs is chemicals in your synapse which suppress or encourage specific combinations of electrical signals that can be received. There is a reason why it's described as pathways because that's what it is. Another quirk is that you cannot think in negatives, everything is positive "don't do X' is the same as "do X" it's only from conflicting feedback loops that favor one choice over another choice. The only true conscious control you have is the ability to suppress certain stimulus to rig a different possible choice in your favor.
834480 No.15610915
>Has a game ever given you pause with a moral quandary?
No but I wish more games tried to without railroading you into a "good" choice.
163bf9 No.15610930
I once reached the end of the game and had to pick between red green and blue. Shit was too difficult so I just shut off the game.
Guess the game
273bb8 No.15610935
>>15610905
If a neuron is a logic gate, then that makes it similar to a series of transistors, as opposed to a single transistor. So I still think my original comparison is still somewhat accurate, albeit a little murky.
fuck your description is probably accurate but I'm too tired to both fully comprehend it, much less articulate a meaningful response.
aeed3e No.15610954
>>15609992
A machine is as intelligent as its creator makes it. If you make a human or superhuman AI, it still doesn't mean it's a person, but it can be, if it was made to be a person, and it wouldn't be any less a person than a human. Humans, in the end, are also machines, just ones with an insane number of successful RNG rolls in their genes and incredibly more useful than anything else. That said, making AI that wants to be independent is retarded. You don't give a tool any more intelligence than it requires, and you certainly never want it to try and outgrow it's nature, unless you're creating an artificial, evolving ecology (I'm not sure if I'm using the right word) for shits and giggles. At this point they're hardly a tool anymore.
0ace18 No.15610978
>playing new vegas
>rolled an energy weapons char
>have cass as my follower
>forget that the van graffs hate cass
>have to decide between keeping cass or keeping the silver rush for an energy weapon store
>choose to not finish their quests
e2762b No.15611002
If you're assuming your morals from games, you might want to get yourself checked for a mental issue.
532cc1 No.15611131
>>15609978
Anything sentient that isn't human needs to be killed as soon as possible as it poses a potential threat to our species.
552a31 No.15611223
sometimes after playing shooters i think back on how many virtual lives have been lost, and how i have trouble stopping when i start to play shooting games. it's like enjoy the sensation of expiration, given or taken.
i frighten myself when i think about the adrenalin rush caused by virtual death.
videogames are pretty morbid, no?
493acb No.15611241
>>15609978
Mercy kill him. >>15610650 made this every bit easier.
>>15609992
Fuck you, robot bro or waifu deaths can hit the hardest. They may be machines, but they are people and our friends and they make us think more about will and the soul than anything else.
>>15610017
>>15610653
>>15610672
527616 No.15611242
Killing virtual people by the cartload? No big deal.
Hunting a hare for food? I froze. I love bunnies so much that I just couldn't.
31087a No.15611276
>game has qt animu gril
>start fapping
>game: jk she has benis
A real moral quandary
Fug
df844a No.15611367
>>15610709
> it can never think for itself, everything is predetermined
Just like people and everything else.
Life is just a complex chemical reaction.
200452 No.15611378
>>15611367
Then why can't machine understand anything greater than discrete mathematics?
df844a No.15611391
>>15611378
A machine can understand plenty more, what does that have to do with the determinism of the universe?
>>15611237
chose to kill her, gave me some feels
d57afb No.15611571
>>15610735
the more rule 8 gets ignored, the faggier bans like this appear
bf13c2 No.15611734
>>15611242
If it israel then I could understand being a bit shaken for killing them, but you're a puss for getting upset at killing virtual bun buns.
65c906 No.15611765
Pillars of Eternity does a good job at this, especially if you decide to play as a Priest or Paladin.
c04ce0 No.15611793
Bioshock by Jew Levine (2007) had a gripping moral quandary that measures up to great historical dramas of deciding whether to harvest Little Sister's life force, or saving them.
47c6a4 No.15611807
>>15611793
The one true answer to that one is save them until the first gift then harvest the fuck out of them
a9db6c No.15611970
The closest thing I recall was that one quest in Fallout New Vegas where you had the choice between either poisoning the watter supply of some NCR farmers or making the inhabitants of a relatively intact vault succumb to the same crap.
38ddde No.15612056
Reminder: Transjewmanists want you to believe machines can be like people. They never can. AI is not only a pipe dream, it is an elaborate con game including propaganda to get you to believe in the possibility.
251f7e No.15612546
Cant do the loli route in Saya no uta.
8cad89 No.15612569
>>15609978
The correct choice is that you walk away and do neither, faggot. She callsyou cruel for doing it, but the lesson had to be learned. Do not teach fear without also teaching hope. Killing her is not just and erasure is cowardice.
2a37c0 No.15613110
>>15612056
AI waifus will be more human than women.
cc93d9 No.15613155
>>15609978
Whats more gut wrenching than Pascal asking you to kill him is if the children did not kill themselves they would have been fine and able to return to their village.As far as they where concerned the danger was over. I shed a tear at that scene. Powerful stuff.
Then I killed Pascal because he is a massive faggot.
It was emotional.
976f45 No.15615820
>>15612056
>Its a "Uncle /pol/ shows up to tell you about the flat earth, the hollow moon and the white nordics hoarding the secrets of jewish vrill energy for the indigo children" episode
976f45 No.15615874
>>15615854
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRUE SECRET KNOWLEDGE THAT FUKKIN' REPITILLIANS AND THEIR OBAAAAMA SHILLS ARE KEEPING FORM US, BUT WE KNOW BOHEMIAN GROVE WAS FOUNDED BY THE THULL SOCIETY AND CHEMTRAILS ARE IN FACT PART OF PROJECT MK ULTRA WHILE THE FUCKING JEW ROTHSCHILDS HIDE IN THEIR ARCOLOGY BELOW THE DENVER AIRPORT, FUCKING WAKE UP SHEEPLE@@!!!!
56e66d No.15615913
>>15609978
Of course not, i am however strongly against those who just stockpile on weapons and go apeshit on innocent civilians and cops, so yes, i do play GTA games and other sandboxes/open worlds for the story and missions, not just to massacre the military with grenades and high powered assault rifles, run over grandmas with trucks or get blown by a hooker only to immediately shank her with a knife and get my money back, this is exactly why red dead redemption is my favorite game of this genre, i can get lost in the mountains to hunt hundreds of cougars and bears, bring stranded people back to civilization, help old folk protect their treasure/stage coach, have shooting competitions with people who live in the wild and punish criminals in non-lethal ways such as lassoing, kneecapping them and shooting the gun off their hands, there's also that GOAT zombie expansion pack that lets you hunt zombified animals, mythical creatures, protect entire towns from zombies and find the four horses of the apocalypse and a unicorn if you're a furfag, there's a ton of shit to do here other than shooting people and being an asshole, GTA IV, V and the just cause series is just killing for the sake of it+some racing and collectathons.
f22041 No.15615949
>>15615874
Every part of your post besides the reptilian bullshit and the Thule Society is unironically true; typing it like a nigger doesn't change that fact.
>oy vey, it's all just a conspiracy goy!
Hang yourself.
f04ff9 No.15616131
>>15610609
Story branching is a lot harder than anons make it out to be.
3ed296 No.15616323
>>15609992
I agree 100%. The emotional impact of Automata was significantly less then the first Nier because everyone is a fucking robot. Hard not to care for the main cast you follow all game (and Pascal) at least a little bit but jesus most of the themes fell flat for me except for things involving Emil.
d52c63 No.15616338
No. I always know I can replay the game and pick something else. At the end of the day, it's just a game, so I want to explore as many options as possible.
914300 No.15616349
do I lie to my closest friend and teacher, denying him his dream of learning more pyromancies that he has given to me to the greatest possible extent even giving me a piece of his own flame, or do I tell him and ensure his madness searching for something he will never find, and eventually his death
976f45 No.15616383
>>15615949
Its all fun and bantz until an actual 'insert anything here' truther shows up.
d52c63 No.15616443
>>15610820
Absolutely. Shitposting should be bannable.
f22041 No.15616451
>>15616383
t. CIAnigger
Go hang yourself, seriously. Your bullshit isn't taken seriously by anyone.
>it's all just a conspiracy, nothing evil is happening, nothing out of the ordinary
>>>/reddit/
976f45 No.15616467
>>15616451
>its not all just random chaos in a uncaring world where i'm insignificant and pointless, its all a dark conspiracy where there are multiple agencies with a file on ME, the hero, because one day i'm gonna blow this system wide open!
Okay Neo.
4ac707 No.15616468
>>15613110
You don't want a human being that loves you, you just want a human shaped pet that you can fuck.
f22041 No.15616472
>>15616467
>changing the goalposts
I never said anything about them having a file on me, nigger.
>>>/out/
976f45 No.15616474
>>15616472
Oh you better believe we had a file on you Daniel.
f22041 No.15616477
>>15616474
Swing and a miss.
976f45 No.15616483
>>15616477
Yeah but boy if you get something like that right it really shits someone up.
914300 No.15616584
>>15616468
human females are incapable of romantic love
AI are too, but they are theoretically better at faking it
4ac707 No.15616648
>>15616584
And that's why I said human shaped pet. If you took that as an insult I didn't intend to, it just an observation. I mean the standards for a pet to give a damn about you is pretty low. All you gotta do is:
1.feed it
2.pay attention to it
3.get it house trained if it's an indoor pet
4.don't beat it
And to get one you just to a pet store or breeder and pay the cash. Getting a girlfriend is more like a job interview, only much more fustrating.
9f4dd6 No.15618097
>>15609981
I also do this most of the time.
Every time I start a new game with choices I vow to play organically and "shape my own story" but after being burned a few times through the story and finding out I've lost so much useful reward in my past choices I end up googling at every crossroads.
2fa1fb No.15618115
>>15609978
Is this the depth of animeme? lol, read a book faggot.
8fe18c No.15618120
>>15609978
>Image waking up in a world where the values you hold dear are not longer needed/wanted
Image waking up to find the society you are in is alright with murder, not in everyone is killing each-other sort of sense, but lets say someone cuts another person off on the road and the guy who got cut off murders the cutter and everyone is like "oh damn, welp, guess you should have cut him off :/" How would you handle with this change?
Play Lisa
2fa1fb No.15618123
You guys are fucking kids. This whole thread is weak as fuck.
001f00 No.15618211
>>15616467
And this is why t
The nihilist/humanist faggots are natural kike allies
>lmao nothin matters goy, errything is random, lmao science morty.
7f5d0d No.15618318
>>15616406
Oh fuck I forgot about this. Spent a good minute not being able to decide which option to go for. Had to bite the bullet and say Guilty.
377642 No.15618435
I can't really think of any, because the vast majority of games that try this fuck it up horribly or have a cut and dry "correct" answer.
If you mean in terms of my own personal morals vs. getting a "true" ending then I didn't get the true ending in Suikoden 1 because I'm not enough of a faggot to be able to forgive the scumbags who gleefully murdered my friends in front of me. The sheer asspull that is Gremio being magically revived if you're a soy-filled bitch that pretends to be Jesus and forgives everybody made me pretty damn angry
>>15610856
What game?
8fe18c No.15618510
>>15616468
>human shaped pet that I can fuck
So you mean a woman then
ee932a No.15619263
>>15618123
>I HAVE NO EMOTIONS AND AM JADED AND DEAD INSIDE, THIS MAKES ME BETTER THAN PEOPLE WHO FEEL THINGS
You know, you have to be at least 18 to post here, right?
43165a No.15619293
>>15609978
>If I go with this slut, I get the unit with the abilities I want
>If I go with the bro instead, I get a unit with a cooler aesthetic but worse abilities
That's the only one I can actually think of.
532cc1 No.15619449
>If I play a female character, I get to make a cute waifu and stare at her the whole game
<but all the romance options are going to be with men or dykes
One of the hardest decisions in any game
9a8a8b No.15619455
>>15619449
>dykes
stop playing western games
fdac93 No.15619474
>>15619293
Sounds like SC2.
But at least the story was written in a way that your choice is always the right one.
9d1996 No.15619510
>>15609992
>>15610666
>>15610711
Why are there still people left alive who make this argument? How many times has this been explained already?
9bdd9a No.15619621
>>15610644
Fallout 3 toyed with your morality a lot, like when you let Roy and his crew into Tenpenny tower but a couple days later they end up murdering the residents that were bigoted against them… the game makes it seem so black and white at first
Or that other ghoul who gives you a list of "ghoul haters" to kill but it turns out that he was using you to get the treasure that he wanted, it really made you think about the stuff you were agreeing to, even if some of the options were pretty shallow
7d63fd No.15619836
>>15609981
was going to post this
5ad602 No.15620122
>>15610865
Brutely inserting a protocol not designed by the creator is comparable to lobotomy.
4d7f44 No.15620173
>>15610711
>Sapience is caused by inimitable processes on the quantum level
Right, because we've totally found a connection between decisions and quantum probability wells.
Biological sapience is just our label for a sufficiently complex reaction to outside stimuli. Life is nothing more than a set of self-replicating chemicals that gradually developed a variety of means to ensure that they could continue to replicate in unfavorable circumstances, and every biological mechanism (including what we call intelligence) came about merely as a means to those ends. With regards to physical laws, there's nothing unique about the human brain that would separate it from a sufficiently advanced program. The brain is literally just a collection of cells that tell each other when to fire and when not to (a 1 or a 0 respectively, if you will), so how can you argue that we are meaningfully different from a highly advanced program?
6fcdb8 No.15620204
>>15610653
Robot detected, pls go.
f781e7 No.15621251
I understand that my moral dilemma is not anything profound, but I did have some difficulty choosing with Fournival's trial in Dragon's Dogma. Fournival is obviously guilty, but without him Symone is left homeless and the troops in the Northern stronghold will suffer. I really had trouble deciding if the good outweighed the bad with his actions.