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Suda51 will never make a game better than Killer7.

I honestly think Suda is pretty meh even in terms of story telling. The incoherentness is nice but only if it actually told something worthwhile. His stories are pretentious and obvious even in things like The Silver Case/ 25th Ward. Killer 7 is pretty overrated and easy just use the blind kid with the automatic pistols. Let it Die is probably the only legitimately good game he’s made due to how unforgiving and rng based it is but it quickly falls apart when you cant even progress without paying or spending months on the game.

>>15592043

Killer 8

Suda turned into a greedy jap Jew.

I liked lollipop chainsaw, thank god they didn't localize all those anime costumes, i would've shot myself if they had.

>tfw bought on release date and the very first achievement i got was the one you get for trying to peek under her skirt

>>15592066

Good man.

>>15592073

Modern games having RNG is the laziest shit ever. "If I add RNG people won't complain that my game is unbalanced and broken! They can just keep playing until it works out."

>>15592086

This

I don't drink either of those. They're just good games. Try not to be so judgemental, anon.

>>15592086

>unbalanced and broken

if it gives sufficient tools and player control what's the problem? It adds a new layer of unknown depth and changes the resources available to you, preventing static playthroughs and sometimes forcing outright different strategies out of the player.

Granted, you said modern games so I can't speak to that too much since I don't play many of those games, but I think of shit such as Diablo, Fire Emblem, and PMD explorers of time/darkness/sky when I think about good examples of RNG.

>>15592103

Unless you're making a deep tactics or strategy game where taking risks is part of the gameplay, adding RNG is just padding out the game and hiding its flaws. Every game now has a loot mechanic. It's stupid.

>>15592073

>Never change Japen.

wew

>>15592115

>Every game now has a loot mechanic.

As opposed to static equipment and static equipment drops? I don't view it as a big deal.

>>15592175

Misogyny is whatever a woman doesn't like at the moment.

>>15592300

I'm enjoying all of his games a lot more than I thought I would.

>>15592014

I always took Suda51 and Kojima to be 'artistic' westaboos. They look at the Western world as a source of inspiration for their stuff, and a lot of it comes off as B movie plots and over the top insanity. Kojima obviously does it on purpose (Snake Plisken), though I'm undecided on Suda

>>15592384

I think the fact that in killer7 you visit the elementary school where the first ever president of the united states was elected by the education ministry which really runs the country should clue you in.

>>15592432

I assumed that it was because it, combined with another fun tidbit, indicated that history was being rewritten to hide the truth. That tidbit being one of the answers to the tapes at the end of the game school level is different in the Japanese version and the American version, whereas every other question is the same. It's not a simple change either, as the amount of characters required for the correct answer are different. Unfortunately, I can't find the right information regarding which question it was.

>>15592014

Why didn't you say Grasshopper Manufacturer Appreciation though? Kojimbo and Goichi Suda are just PR faces so you can pin all the teams' victories on them.

Honestly, I've heard that the supposedly great story ending for Fire Pro Wrestling never sat well with the fans and it may have been reason enough for the series to go belly up for a while. But other than that, Suda51's games are only good as long as they're being made under strict limitations. Anything after NMH2 and Flower, Sun and Rain is a huge disappointment in terms of story and symbolism, and the only other post FSR game that was any good is Let It Die. Any time you give him too much creative freedom he just goes full (((Tarantino))) and puts blood, gore, porn and innuendos over brightly colored references instead of the compact design of Killer7 or the scathing commentary on NMH (modern-by-that-time gamers are retarded dweebs who hoard shit and would do anything for a little pussy).

Suda is a pretendious westaboo who sucks at game design.

>>15592244

Close. It's whatever is politically convenient at the moment.

I'm sorry but I have to say it. No matter how I look at it, Killer7 is a bad game. The shooting is janky and shallow, the puzzles are insultingly easy, and the storytelling, while intriguing and unique, is quite frankly shite. It's using incomprehensibly and surrealism as a shield to protect itself from the very valid criticism that the story it tells is shizophrenoc, incomplete, and not particularly good once you actually understand it. People remember Killer7 for all its stand out moments like the Russian Roulette scene or Ulmeyda's introduction or the bullet headbutt, but all those things make up a tiny portion of a game that, when you remove the shield of surrealism and incomprehensibly, is really fucking boring.

Am I just missing something here?

Suda is a pretentious twat.

A mere shadow of an actual genius like Hideo Kojima.

>>15593147

They're both pretentious hacks.

>>15593160

Someone hasn't played the only good thing begotten by post-modernism, the masterpiece of MGS2.

>>15592106

>Long enough to become the villain

>>15592300

They're very much B-movies/grindhouse flicks, except as games. They might not have the latest Imax Camera to film with but they got an ideal and they're going to see where it goes.

I only really came into this thread to share a thought I had today

A Hitman game except instead of Agent 47, you play as the Smith Syndicate, or any of the Assassins from NMH. Their gameplay, just with Hitman objectives and levels.

>>15592014

Little known fact - Suda51 co-directed and wrote Project Zero/Fatal Frame 4.

>Play fourth game in a series about horrific rituals causing a place to be haunted as fuck

>Title is Mask of the Lunar Eclipse

>Story revolves around the moon being some kind of portal to darkness within the psyche

>Every chapter ends with a shot of the moon

>I wonder who could be behind this

Dude didn't go full madman because he knew he was making an installment of an established series, but it still has a pretty surreal feel to it.

The game never left Japan, but there is a fan-translated rom so you can emulate it.

just a little reminder that the translation for silver case is pretty terrible and they probably hired some desperate amateurs to do it

>>15593160

I don't really read about either, but I can't imagine Suda doing anything pretentious

>>15593147

>>15593160

>>15593908

Both of you don't know what that word means are you're both cock loving redditors for falling for Jewish made lexicon.

>killer 7 is trash

>NMH1 is mediocre

>NMH2 is good (a fluke)

>LC is trash

>KID is mediocre

>LID is trash

>Sinemora is trash

I dunno, I don't think I can appreciate this

Man, if only NMH1,2, LC and KiD could be properly ported with 60FPS and eliminate that obnoxious stun time when you get knocked down, especially in NMH2, you could easily have them be a bit above mediocre and have it be infinitely replayable in an actual B-Movie sort of way. That's really the only real detriment in these games that I can think of.

Oh and port Shadows of the Damned already with a proper new game plus or something, it's too good of a game to be lost due to EA's kikery.

>>15593917

You're supposed to appreciate the weeb aesthetics anon, not the gameplay.

>>15593917

Killer 7 is great. It's just about the only console shooter I can tolerate. It knows that console shooters suck, and it builds it's gameplay around that (only melee enemies that get easier to hit as they approach - auto aim while it exists, you have to earn it by levelling up characters a certain way). If you look at killer7 as a fun house of the dead style game it works great.

No More Heroes is a bit dry and is trying to get by on style alone, agreed.

Lollipop Chainsaw Massacre though is a work of art. It has great combo variety that you need to use because the zombies are aggressive. Beyond the zombie slaughtering cheerleader exterior is a great beat em up game.

I didn't really play the others yet.