ad2b54 No.15563565
Perfect games that stood the test of time.
1f3219 No.15563566
That does look like a beautiful game
Should I start by release order for that series?
dbea53 No.15563569
I bet you can't stand the test of these nuntz lol
fd441e No.15563575
>>15563565
You're not on reddit.
5b2d6b No.15563596
>>15563566
First game's kind of bland, but introduces the world and concepts, and the start of the chronology. English script is kind of shit, though it's worth noting Square actually handled it here because Capcom couldn't give a fuck. And fuck the time tower thing while I'm at it. Second game has a notoriously, horrifically bad English script, but also has a fan retranslation that works in conjunction with the "Maison" patch. BoF III's great on the whole, but does have a bit of a slow start if you're not into "using childhood arc to introduce cast and their relationships" sort of thing.
f6ccba No.15563599
>>15563566
There's no real need to.
c2565d No.15563601
>>15563566
You don't really need need to play 1 it's a pretty by the numbers jRPG, maybe go back to it after playing the others.
2 is a massive step up and one of my all time favorites but get the fan retranslation, Capcoms official translation is gutter trash. Also Katt/Rin is best girl
3 is great just play it.
4 is good, just not as good as 2 and 3.
5 is kinda weird it's not a bad game but it doesn't fit the rest of the series.
ad2b54 No.15563621
>>15563566
Start with 3
End with 4
f6ccba No.15563686
>>15563601
>>15563596
Another notable thing about II is that the encounter rate is obnoxiously high.
c2565d No.15563714
>>15563686
I just replayed 2 a few months ago and didn't mind it much, but this can be fixed by playing the GBA version which iirc halves it and doubles drops (I don't think you can get the retranslation on it, so I don't recommend it) or use the encounter rate mod to do the same.
5b2d6b No.15563787
>>15563714
Yeah, as far as I know no one's bothered to make a port of the SNES retranslation to the GBA. Checking the notes, the Maeson hack doesn't seem to adjust the encounter rate, but does rebalance the exp and shot prices to reduce grind, amongst other things
163ef2 No.15564219
>>15563565
That's not BOF4
7be34d No.15572309
>>15563569
>saw pic
>first thought "why is he trying to use psychic powers on this asian qt?"
26265b No.15572326
>>15564219
4 is a 9/10 game
3 is a 10/10
Please understand the difference!
85bd3f No.15572369
Perhaps is because I haven't played the rest of the saga yet, which I'm sure to do this year as they look like great RPGs, but this one right here left quite an impression on me. Is not perfect by any means, but I think there are very few game like it. The story, despite being quite simple and most character kind of bland (with the exception of Bosch), it really stuck with me for how well it intertwines with the gameplay. The limited saves, the way the game presents itself, the level design, the art direction and even the combat system all contributes to the experience of the game, reinforcing the idea of being the lowest of the low cast fighting the world and trying to reach what may be just a fairytale. The dark environments and backstory, the grim topics the plot touches and the nature of the dragons themselve really help reinforcing this idea even further.
The gameplay is designed in a way that forces you to actually think, seeking new strategies to take down enemies that are much more powerful than you. The EXP system works in a reward vs risk manner. Enemies do not respawn, and the player can fight as many enemies at the same time as he wants with proper planning and use of traps and bait. But the more enemies you fight, the more bonus EXP you receive, yet the more risk you takes, the more likely it is for you to waste you already limited resources. This raise the tension and actually forces the player to make a choice each time they encounter an enemy. The three playable characters are strongly defined in their roles, and making good use of them and make them work in tandem is fundamental to defeat the strongest foes, which I cannot stress enough. Each one has their own skills, their own way of fighting. For example, Nina's magic has many powerfull spells that work by creating an "trap" area, which cast the spell when an enemy step on it. Both Ryu and Lin can push and pulls enemies to force then into these areas, many time being able to active multiple of them for massive damage. To this, we can add the importance of buffing and debuffing enemies, status effects etc.
Finally, the dragon force of the game is one of my favorite "super forms" of any game. It is absolutely fucking broken. Is a "I win" button. And yet it is balanced by the fact that using it has dire consequences. So you always try not to use it, not to fall to the tentation, and when you are totally fuck, and there is no other choice but to use it, it feels significant. It is one of the few times when a game with a transformation that will kill the main character will actually kill the main character if used too much. For me, this game is unique no matter how much time passes. Its sad it has become the "franchise killer" of Breath of Fire, because I think it deserves more love that it gets. Perhaps if it had been pinned down as a spin-off or something totally different, it wouldn't have become so infamous.
d98a02 No.15572377
>>15563596
>First game's kind of bland, but introduces the world and concepts, and the start of the chronology
Well tits, I'm right in the middle of my first playthrough of BoF1 and here I thought I was crazy for thinking it felt a bit primitive, even by SNES standards.
26265b No.15572379
capcom is so damn good at sprite design
and the battles system for 3 is so fast and efficient, why couldn't FF9 have a similar speedy system? that's one thing I really dont like about FF9, huge load times for battles, long cast times, the intro and outro screens take forever to finish for each battle
5b2d6b No.15572462
>>15572377
Well, I'm not real sure how much experience Capcom had with making RPGs of that sort prior (nor was it an especially early one on the system either), so I suppose they at least learned something, and it did enough right and sold enough to get more, and better, games. Does get some real credit for animated enemy battle sprites too, even with the first game. Enjoy those overpowered "single cost" dragon forms while you can. Which isn't to say that in the later games they're not useful, but they do get more balanced.
>>15572379
Considering that Breath of Fire III is 2D sprites on an isometric overworld, and the same one the player is exploring normally on (like Chrono Trigger; no reloading the map every time), that probably keeps loading needed, be it pre-, mid-, or post- combat low compared to game using full 3D, or at least 3D on prerendered 2D backgrounds. Entire game fits on a single disc; same for BoF IV (though going off filesizes, it seems that one was about 100mb larger). FFIX meanwhile was, what, four discs due to CG FMVs? And the game has to double triple quadruple up on particular data all discs have to access as well.
Do have to wonder if FFIX's Japanese version also suffers as bad of loading. Square's had their problems at times with western versions of games running worse than the original JP counterparts.
c2565d No.15572471
>>15572377
>I'm right in the middle of my first playthrough of BoF1 and here I thought I was crazy for thinking it felt a bit primitive, even by SNES standards
This is why I always tell people to go straight for 2, 1 isn't a bad game just vary, vary average. Like I said before 2-4 are a huge step up and 5 is something else altogether.
>>15572369
I wish I liked five, it was clearly a well made game, and it did a lot of interesting and innovative things but I just couldn't get into it.
ac2b9b No.15572551
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6d19d6 No.15572561
>>15572369
Its simon and nia
8e10dd No.15572570
>BoF3
Hell yeah man. That game is genuine ｋｉｎｏ 10/10.
cdcce7 No.15572586
>>15572551
threesomes are overrated
i only have one dick
ac2b9b No.15572596
>>15572586
That's what you get for having a puny human dick instead of a dragon dick.
08b06b No.15572598
>>15572586
>not slicing it down the middle
4fb464 No.15572606
>>15572586
You have several hands.
964ee7 No.15572617
>>15572606
Sounds tedious and annoying compared to just having 100% attention to each other.
06abdd No.15572631
>>15572603
>>gook women
>>anything but disgusting
nah, they have their charm
t. guy with asian gf
ac2b9b No.15572656
>>15572617
You sound lazy.
0721b0 No.15572662
>>15572326
The combat system in BOF4 makes it a 10/10 for me.
4fb464 No.15572663
1de165 No.15572669
>>15572631
>creating supreme gentlemen
06abdd No.15572701
>>15572669
you got a problem with hapas?
1de165 No.15572708
>>15572701
HAPA's got a problem with the world, they're basically biological weapons.
06abdd No.15572711
>>15572708
keanu is a cool and good guy, he's had a hard life
1de165 No.15572718
>>15572711
He's ready to cleanse, he's not gonna go down without a bang. The final destiny of all HAPA's is the physical removal of genetically undesirable individuals, ironic.
031538 No.15572721
41e600 No.15572729
>>15572656
Sounds worth it.
400612 No.15572739
Here you go, don't spend them all in one place.
e774e9 No.15572897
>>15563725
That's Steam users for you
65bdd3 No.15572958
>>15572921
>Enter the Matrix
That game actually inspired my brother to go study CompSci which he then abandoned after two semesters for music because he couldn't handle fucking Calc 1
2ea2c1 No.15572969
>>15563565
If you say anything is perfect, your opinions are most likely shit.
3 was the only good one in the series but it's not even a mild classic. It's simply a good game.
You must like the furshit.
b05ce7 No.15572990
Gone Home
Undertale
Yume Nikki
STALKER
Depression Quest
Dishonored
06abdd No.15573240
>>15572969
You are a mere baby.
7dec06 No.15573409
4df304 No.15573447
bc57f7 No.15573524
>>15572598
>not slicing it into twelfths
>not having a pizza dick
d8c74d No.15573541
It's just as good as the day it was released
f6ccba No.15574905
>no one has posted Ace Combat yet
This is why everyone thinks /v/ is gay.
400612 No.15574912
>>15574905
But the best AC games are the first two.
62d057 No.15574917
788d08 No.15574945
>>15573541
Well, it couldn't have gotten much worse, to be fair.
80b5e9 No.15575228
>>15572739
>Tfw we will never get a Fallout game where we revisit New Reno
I just want to be a pornstar in a shitty city
3a7381 No.15575229
>>15574905
4 and 5 aged like shit, Zero has the best campaign, best gameplay, tons of extra content and the best soundtrack in the series, 6 was much better than 4 and 5 to be honest, getting your dick sucked and being hailed as a messiah every 5 minutes gets old, i'd rather be just another mook who manages to make a name for himself.
cdbe69 No.15575373
I think Spyro 1 is a pretty perfect in the sense that it's great for all ages, it looks beautiful even today, and no part of the game ever felt boring of like it was work to get through. Even as an adult it's fun to casually play through and certain parts provide a decent challenge.
7c67a7 No.15575395
>>15572369
I played 5 recently and I really liked it, I understand why it got infamous as the "series killer" since it's nothing like its predecessors, but it really is a fucking good game and it actually has difficulty at least for the first playthrough, which is something the series overall really lacks. BoF5 deserved more love.
0a942f No.15575574
Oh, I suppose for an actual submission, I'll do Factorio. Not as old as some of the suggestions, but I'm surprised I get 0 results on a ctrl-f.
bf0d85 No.15575601
Chess.
Prove me wrong.
you cannot
38f366 No.15575609
>>15575601
stratego is better
65d3a2 No.15575793
No such thing as a perfect game, but this is the closest we've come.
65d3a2 No.15575802
>>15572739
>Fallout 2
Presumably this thread was for very high-quality games, not broken-at-its-core, buggy isometric clickfest trash.
>>15572921
>Half-Life 2
Kill yourself.
>>15574944
>Mario Sunshine
Short and piss easy with annoying mechanics.
>>15575217
>Metroid Prime
>snail-paced FPS with bad controls
>standing the test of time
It was made obsolete a month before release by Timesplitters 2.
>>15575574
Factorio is barely even a game, the goals and enemy variety are still unbelievably shallow some 3 years into development.
c79cf4 No.15575817
>>15575802
Why is it that everyone who loves Super Metroid is an overly-aggressive faggot?
65d3a2 No.15575837
>>15575817
They're not, but some quality control needs to be imposed on this thread.
1cd15d No.15575854
>>15575837
\>stop liking what I dont like
6dbd9f No.15575860
>>15575837
So who appointed you head faggot?
ea9010 No.15575862
>>15575837
nothing says quality like generating hostility between 5 different fanbases.
65d3a2 No.15575913
>>15575862
It would be better if they could all just kill each other so the rest of us with taste can enjoy threads about high-quality games without utter fucking trash like Fallout 2 shoved in our faces.
a41135 No.15576030
>>15575609
>Like chess, but fun!
People actually play Stratego? I only know about it because someone got it for me as a kid. It's been sitting in a closet for many years.
8ad47b No.15576044
>>15572662
This.
Fighting anything in BOF3 is a slog. Animations are slow and boring, sprites look like clay and are poorly detailed.
It's just bland.
BOF4 is faster paced, a lot more expressive, has god tier animations and sprites.
It also has better story, characters and writing, which is arguably just as important for JRPG.
cdd9b6 No.15576045
>>15573524
>cut dick into twelfths
>dick heals
>when you get erect, your dick opens up like a flower in full bloom
>you can wrap your dick around the face of a girl, like a facehugger
fbc97d No.15576061
If you ignore the existence of Dark Dawn, Golden Sun still holds up pretty well, the sidequests or full item completion can take ages.
Sheba best girl.
246661 No.15576178
>>15572369
I only played a little of Dragon Quarter but I agree with this. What I saw was so unique and interesting that I don't think the other games could compare. I should give it another try.
3c495d No.15576308
>>15572369
Its in my top ten all time, there is nothing like it and if it didn't have the BoF brand attached to it, it would have been a start of a new series. The people who whined about the game when it came out should be ashamed of themselves.
235e24 No.15576378
>>15576044
>bof3 has slow fights, bad animation
Damn this is wrong.
Repent. Lying is a sin.
982494 No.15576414
>>15575373
I agree. In comparison I found 2 boring as a adult with a lesser atmosphere too despite liking it as a child. I haven't played 3 in a decade and can't remember how it holds up.
baa4c8 No.15576456
either ratchet and clank 1 or 2, maybe both, do what they do perfectly and nothing has done it better to my knowledge
5bd929 No.15576484
>>15572631
Now I know what they mean when they 胴長娘 as an insult lol. She's practically a midget with those stunted legs and that massive torso.
741328 No.15576527
>>15572369
I'm in a similar position of having not played any other entry in the BoF franchise than Dragon Quarter. But like you I find it to be an amazingly well crafted game and from interviews I've read the intention was very much to make something different from what the series had accomplished previously. But this title really stands out from other RPGs, not just japanese ones, for having such a strong tie between mechanics and tone. As well as having a combat system that kept me engaged during each encounter because of how well the synergy between party members, and the overall tension of trying to basically end each fight as quickly as possible without straining resources.
It's a damn good game and among my favorites.
ef62c6 No.15576794
>>15576484
fuck cabinets dont technically need legs
43922c No.15576901
>>15576378
Seriously nigger?
f0658a No.15578818
>>15576901
>implying this is bad animation on a SNES
Are you gay? It's okay, you can tell me how many dicks you've sucked.
For reference, here's a game that was released at the very end of the SNES' lifecycle and pushed the hardware to its limit.
400612 No.15578874
>>15575913
But Fallout 2 is better than Fallout 1 in every way.
f0658a No.15579034
>>15578874
Fallout 1 has a more concise design. The lack of quality-of-life upgrades compared to 2 sucks, yeah, but FO1 is worth experiencing for just how well the story ties together. Also, 1 has a much better intro, fuck that tedious tutorial level garbage.
65d3a2 No.15579194
>>15578874
It's better in most ways, this is probably true. Unfortunately, it's not better in enough ways to pretend itself from being a steamy pile of crap just like the first game was.
f0658a No.15579258
>>15579194
I mean, it's not perfect, but it's a turn-based RPG that uses action points, which automatically catapults it ahead of real time with pause. Unfortunately, the combat simply isn't deep enough.
65d3a2 No.15579283
>>15579258
>but it's a turn-based RPG that uses action points, which automatically catapults it ahead of real time with pause.
It's a turn-based game with a grid that relies on you tediously clicking your mouse constantly to do fucking anything. It controls like complete crap and there's plenty of other turn-based games with grids and action points that do it better.
80ba5c No.15579296
>>15574944
came here to post SMRPG. i replay it every year or so and every time i'm impressed by how well the writing holds up, and overall just how much fuckin fun it is
f0658a No.15579299
>>15579283
I honestly have no clue what you're talking about. Are you one of those guys who clicks repeatedly in Diablo 2 instead of holding down the mouse button?
980139 No.15579346
>>15579320
You should reconsider. I love TF2 to death, but time has not been kind to her. You cant say it stood he test of time because it's been iterated sk many times that its barely the same game anymore.
5b2d6b No.15579349
>>15578818
He's comparing two entries on the same system (PS1), though the chosen example for BoF III is more than a bit biased since it's just the "battle ready" animation as opposed to actual combat action animation like the one for BoF IV. He's still being a fag.
36349c No.15579549
The usual suspects. Chrono Trigger, Symphony of the Night, F-Zero X and GX
65d3a2 No.15579652
>>15579549
>Symphony of the Night
This isn't the "overrated trash" thread.
5b2d6b No.15579663
>>15579296
I actually have yet to play SMRPG despite enjoying Mario and Luigi and Paper Mario. Maybe I ought to bump it up the backlog some.
400612 No.15579740
>>15579194
>>15579283
I think you just hate cRPGs tbh.
65d3a2 No.15579753
>>15579740
Not at all, Martian Dreams and Exile III are some of my favorites. I'm not however a fan of the kind of dumbed down casual trash ushered in by isometric clickfests like Fallout.
400612 No.15579757
>>15579753
So BG, NWN, IWD, Arcanum, etc are all trash, right?
65d3a2 No.15579901
>>15579757
Baldur's Gate most definitely is. Never played the others long enough to have an opinion I'm confident in.
80ba5c No.15580082
>>15579663
i'd honestly put it in my top 3 from the SNES. it really is excellent
a1bc75 No.15581567
>die at boss 20x
>check online strat
>boss is intentionally unbeatable
*Perfect Game*
*stood the test of time*
a1bc75 No.15581575
>>15579757
BG1 is fine. BG2 is a masterpiece.
IWD is a good little game.
NWN is ok
Arcanum never played
most cRPG, most western rpgs I mean are awful. BG2 is a rarity.
f8f69c No.15581598
none
video games are literally unplayable and sexist once they turn more than a week old
t. Kotaku Reviewer
d98a02 No.15581621
>>15581567
Wouldn't you figure out it's unwinable after your first death? Typically those kind of bosses trigger a cutscene after you lose.
8c8218 No.15581633
>>15581621
He's a TV tropes-tier ginormous fag that takes one videogame trope and arbitrarily decides all games that have some form of it are bad.
Avoid their autism, filter if necessary.
a1bc75 No.15581646
>>15581621
actually even if there is a cut-scene it doens't mean the boss is unbeatable. Some bosses are "optional" and some are unbeatable.
d98a02 No.15581663
>>15581646
I know all about that, I'm just trying to figure out whether you're lying or actually insane enough to reset the game 20+ times to beat a boss you know you're not supposed to beat instead of just taking it and moving on.
3ad8a0 No.15581686
>>15572369
DQ is one of those games that took me by the guts. I think about it nearly everyday.
5b2d6b No.15581714
>>15581621
To be fair, it is possible to beat another seemingly unbeatable boss fight against the dickhorses prior.
400612 No.15581735
>>15579901
So you don't play cRPGs, and aren't a fan of the genre. I see.
59d623 No.15581742
>>15563601
I want to fuck Katt
a1bc75 No.15581788
>>15581663
> to reset the game 20+ times to beat a boss you know you're not supposed to beat instead of just taking it and moving on.
I didn't know until afterwards…
d98a02 No.15581805
>>15581788
And that goes back to my first question, wouldn't you know you're supposed to lose once you die the first time and the cutscene starts playing? Or are you saying you didn't even wait to see? Help me out here, I need to understand.
fa30fb No.15581817
>>15581805
>wouldn't you know you're supposed to lose once you die the first time and the cutscene starts playing?
#1 I reset the second I died
#2 the "cutscene" doesn't say he's unbeatable.
fa30fb No.15581826
>>15581805
also its a battle during a 3 round tourney "contest" , it's not a boss out in the wild. It's a controlled tournament, so losing a battle doesn't necessarily imply the guy is unbeatable…
5b2d6b No.15581853
>>15581817
>>15581826
You can at least do what some instances of Tales games allow for, and effectively time the battle out, as he will eventually beat you with a Lucky Strike. But you'll be blowing through a lot of consumables and crap trying to stay alive, and it's still beaten by script rather than being cutscened out of the battle. Does admittedly speak some about whoever did the script not being able to come up with another fitting way for Garr to take the kids into his custody, but personally never felt as egregious to me as Tales of Graces, wherein whoever did that script couldn't figure out a better way for Asbel to have to leave town than Hubert beating him one on one, which was especially annoying since there you could whittle him down to 0 hp and it would just change to ??? and he'd hit you with his Instant Balls if you somehow weren't dead by then. Garr at least just has stupid amounts of health rather than pulling that shit.
It is strange though that apparently that fight DOES give him an EXP and Loot table in spite of that.
a1bc75 No.15581857
>>15581853
ya for me it's not a real complaint not even a nitpick, I just felt like a retard after I realized he's unbeatable, and didn't appreciate it :|
5b2d6b No.15581869
>>15581857
Well, depending on what other games you've played, I don't think there's that much fault for trying to see if you can. I remember someone being very surprised a year or two back to discover Horsecock 1 and Horsecock 2 aren't a forced loss in the prison, and with Tales in particular there's usually alternate scenes for if you beat seemingly unwinnable fights as well as additional loot (which may or may not be worth the consumables spent), though I suppose those don't much change the script in the longrun outside of Destiny going into full on optional ending because the plot doesn't happen if you don't lose to the one there.
>Emoticon
>>>/out/
7bc5fd No.15581891
>>15572921
>Jedi Outcast
Fantastic game, but has too many "meh" levels and some really archaic designs (tons of one-off gimmicks that you never see used again, etc). The overall design hasn't aged well, although surprisingly its graphics/aesthetic have.
>Half Life 2
Nope. The aesthetics are pretty great (atmosphere, sound design, etc are all great), but that's it. It's an extremely limited corridor shooter, with sub-par gunplay even for its time. Episode 2 is pretty much the only good part about it.
>GTA3
Worst in the GTA3 series. San Andreas, on the other hand, is fantastic.
>>15572938
>Rush 2049
FUCK
Thanks for reminding me of that game, brb playing it again
>>15574905
Agreed 100%, anon is not a fag.
>>15574944
>Majora's Mask
It always comes across as a hipster response, but I'll be damned if it's not right.
>>15575217
>Chrono Trigger
Its story is pretty enjoyable, but it's basically the Seinfeld of JRPG's. Everything it's done was copied (and often improved upon) by later entries.
>Metroid Prime
Good design, but bogged down by its limitations pretty fucking badly.
>Melee
Fuck no, although it's sadly the best in the Smash franchise, it's still very "meh".
>SMW, S3&K
Probably the most non-divisive options of any posted ITT.
>>15575373
Having replayed 1-3 recently, yeah, 1 and 2 are utterly fantastic games. 1 seems a bit more "barren" but this adds a fair bit to its charm, I'd say.
>>15575955
>Super Hang-on
Fuck, I remember playing this game as a kid and being blown away by how amazingly simple yet enjoyable it was.
>>15579320
The base game, yes.
Hats & all the bullshit additions made since then, absolutely not.
8a8ec7 No.15582046
>>15575802
>>15575793
>>15579652
this isn't le ebin contrarian thread neither >>>/reddit/
61ae53 No.15582109
>xcom ew
probably the best turn-based squad tactics game i've played
<muh TU!
nu-com is much better balanced and what it sets out to achieve, it executes perfectly
you could argue that there's more depth/more possibilities in the og xcom but for me this gets everything right, also enjoy the 2nd one for the new features but hate the aesthetic and it's a bit all over the place, especially with the WotC expansion
cant fucking wait for phoenix point tbh
6693c9 No.15582143
>>15563565
The translation isn't all that great to be honest. The one thing that puts a damper on this great game
65d3a2 No.15582444
>>15582046
You seem confused. Reddit is the place you go to when you can't handle triggering opinions. Image boards aren't for thin-skinned fanboys.