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You know, the old thread is still there..

guess they really are going the whole "just make every shit deck super fast with free drops" route

looking forward to psychic tracker and wheelder, they're crack cocaine for a few decks I thought were perma-dead and frankenderp is the dealer

hyper riser is way less impressive and doesn't work particularly well with the rest of the type, but I like its synergy with dark factory of eat MST

new t.g. is also good but not enough alone to make a difference

>>15524455

yeah, on page 14

>>15524560

>Dark Magician

>hype

>ever

>>15524581

It was back in the day when Big Numbers equal hype. I remember ruling the school with a Blue Eyes Ultimate Turbo deck….only for that one guy to screw me over with Reliquinshed.

>>15524606

You mean you haven't played in literally 15 years and you're wondering why you don't understand what's going on?

>>15524610

Oh, I'm not >>15524560 , just illuminating why that anon think Dark Magician was hype. Me, I try to learn because Master Rule 4 screwed up a lot of my decks. Darn Link Summons..

>>15524560

Just try a 5Ds or even GX era game.

Alright, in your opinion (as bad as they are), what's the best summon mechanic? Synchro? Fusion? XYZ?

>>15524615

Every anon on /v/ who says they won't take anti-consumer shit is full of it if they put up with a fucking physical paywall just to use the same cards as before.

>>15524631

But I don't pay for cards.

>>15524630

Synchro was a maybe a more fun mechanic, but XYZ was more consistent and also had its moment. As a whole I enjoyed both generations.

>>15524630

Those aren't pendulum summons.

>>15524630

Tribute Summon

>>15524709

What's the problem, got your ass kicked by one too many Monarch players?

>>15524713

Why would I want to get rid of a monster to put another on the field? That's just inefficient.

>>15524716

>Ritual summon, Link summon

<Get rid of min. 1 monster, put another on the field

>Fusion summon, Synchro summon, Xyz summon

<Get rid of min. 2 monsters, put another on the field

This is getting sad

>>15524729

The difference is that that latter category is actually useful, unlike tribute summoning.

>>15524736

Come on, I know that it's a boring ass deck to play, but show me where the Monarch players touched you.

>>15524741

You know why it's boring? Because you can tribute once per turn. Meanwhile, I can shit out as many synchros or XYZs as I need to. I can literally flood the field with them and wipe your board on turn 2.

>>15524748

What year are you stuck in? Monarchs can do dumb shit like Tribute summon during their opponent's turn now, this isn't 2000 whatever. There's also True Dracos now who can cheat out their Tribute summon their shit using continuous spells and shit.

>>15524761

I've never played against those archetypes

>>15524560

Stupid man, early yugioh was even worse than what we have now, it was just holding the line with 1700+ ATK monsters and shitty traps until you got enough materials to bring either summoned skull or jinzo and its +500/700 ATK equip card to go for the kill.

>>15524771

Sorry, I don't speak african.

>>15524769

>early yugioh was even worse than what we have now

>tfw I used to win games against blue eyes or other big atk monsters with dumb shit like shadow ghoul and a massive graveyard

>>15524630

Synchro. They strike the best balance between playability, power, and generally being healthy for the game.

>>15524741

>I know that it's a boring ass deck to play

I honestly find monarchs very fun to play, they're not the most complicated deck but they way all of their cards work together makes it really fun.

>>15524767

>>15524761

True Draco is neat on paper but basically just another flavor of anti-meta floodgate.dek degeneracy that makes the game boring to play for both players. I do like the idea of being able to tribute out whatever you want for them, and having effects that reflect what you used on some of them.

>>15524560

A lot of cards on the banlist have been there for years and will never leave because they're really poorly designed cards that were always BS to play against. A card like Pot of Greed may not be the most flashy card but even at one it makes decks just that much faster and consistent, and whoever draws theirs first has a serious advantage in winning the game just due to having superior options. That's to ignore some of the other absolutely idiotic cards from that same early era like Delinquent Duo which do absolutely nothing good gameplay wise, just a card to play to kill your opponents options.

Did you honestly like watching your opponent solitaire for a few minutes while your deck slowly ran out of cards? That's all a card like Cyber Jar ever enabled in the game.

You know what I hate most about Link Monsters?

The fact that, by themselves, they can actually be sort of fun to play, can give new support to old archetypes that otherwise would never see the light of day again, but it's all fucking undercut by the fact they Paywall literally everything else with their existence. If it weren't for things like YGOPro with MR3 Don't-Check-Deck duels letting you use (most) Links without the shitty MR4 stuff, I think I would have quit the game already. Not that it isn't tempting to do so with how much negation is flying around these days.

>>15524709

Not everyone can Special Summon 24/7 especially when there are tons of cards that destroy many special summoned monsters. Sometimes going old school is the way to go.

>>15524631

>paying for yu-gi-oh

>>15526046

They are in Japanese with furigana, so it is easy to read. If you know any Japanese once you get used to the terminology it is very easy to read. I have played only the first game so far, though. It very different from YGO. It resembles Pokemon in some ways. The game is faster than old YGO, but definitely slower than turn 2 or 3 YGO wins. It is a fun game and all the card boxes are unlocked from the beginning, so you can buy whatever you want. The starter decks you get from doing starter mirrors with one of the characters. But if you don't know how to read basic Japanese or have learned the cards from playing before you probably won't manage. Though there is also one online fan game. Soon will be releasing an official mobile game, but it is going to probably be with the rules of the newest generation, which is a reboot of the whole game, but with new shit.

>>15526191

Damn, guess I should try it out then if I can get by with just furigana.

>>15526217

So you know your your kana?Then you should be fine.. You can even use the story for some practice. If worse come to worse you can check the name of a card on the vanguard wiki. Might be a bit hard with Japanese only before you get what some mechanics mean, but no worries, it is nothing complex. By the way it might be recommendable to run the emulator with Hardware Shaders disabled. I found it to create some slow downs for me.

What's your favorite archetypes? Mine are Archfiends & Six Samurai

>>15526227

Mine are Gladiator Beast, Fire Fists, Battlin' Boxer and U. A.

>>15526225

Nice, if I don't understand something I'll ask. Is there anything I should look out for when it comes to beginner tactics/deck construction?

>>15526227

For some reason, they're they're mostly Warrior types, namely HERO, Six Samurai, Ninja, X-Sabers and Melodious

>>15526235

Good Warrior archetypes too. X-Sabers were my first Synchro deck I tried.

>>15526238

Even back when they just came out and were kinda shit X-Sabers were quite fun to play, I think they were the first Synchro archetype I played too. I even used to play Six Sams back before they turned them into a powerhouse, when your gameplan was just any Six Sam into Grandmaster into Shien.

>>15526245

Wait, that's before they were a powerhouse? That's how I play them, what's the meta now?

>>15526250

I meant the OG Shien the effect monster, not the "Fuck you, I win" Synchro version of him. Though to be fair, when Grandmaster showed up they pretty much became very playable, even if the combo is a bit inconsistent. I don't remember the first wave of Six Samurai having a guy that could Special himself and most of them were quite underwhelming too.

>>15526256

Grandmaster was a sneak peak promo, there wasn't a time before him outside of japan.

>>15526266

You had him in the first Tag Force 5D's game, that much I remember.

>>15526227

D/D, Melodious, Ritual Beasts, Lyrilusc, Heraldic Beasts and Trickstar.

>>15526235

>Nice, if I don't understand something I'll ask. Is there anything I should look out for when it comes to beginner tactics/deck construction?

Sure, ask away. Might want to link to me so I can get a notification, though.

About tactics, don't use the stand up triggers. They were so unused by players they went out of the game. Instead put 6 critical triggers in total. About decks, just go with what feels right or you can search online for old builds. The boxes in the games are same as the real boxes, so you can easily see what's in them if you are searching for some card. Battle points are relatively easy to make so if you know what you are searching for it it won't take too long to make a high tier deck. But even then the games can be close ones.

>https://mega.nz/#!4vZ2nKAJ!IlArObfQ5dDWwDrJW1RovgAoOQbUmk6S4cSWGSO1u

Dead link in pastebin. Can someone link me to working ygopercy download?

>>15526227

Monarch, Synchron, Pendulum Magician, Metalfoes, Crystron, Plants, Zombies if those even count as archetypes

>>15526227

Gladiator Beast, Fur Hire, Synchro, Rokket, Metalfoes, Thunder Dragon, Shino Bird, Dark Magician, Timelord.

>>15526233

are you me?

>>15527112

https://mega.nz/#!4vJi3QiB!IlArObfQ5dDWwDrJW1RovgAoOQbUmk6S4cSWGSO1uYk

>>15527367

I could be you…or you could be me.

What would a commander deck look like translated to yugioh?

60 cards and 1 extra deck monster?

>>15528529

Would be like that Virtual World arc, I suppose? Or Duelist of the Roses?

>>15528529

The other rules for commander are kinda odd to think about…

It kinda makes a few fusions useless if its attribute locked, maybe it could also allow all cards listed on the extra deck monster in addition to any monsters?

Highlander still makes sense to keep main deck dependent decks not completely dominate, though imao1poly still sorta fucks fusion;

maybe anything required for the extra deck card could be allowed to be ran at three(so if it listed neos or something you could run it at three or if it has "can/must be fusion summoned" allows three polys;

but if it just listed "fire monster" in its requirements you can run fire monsters but only in one ofs)?

>>15530169

Make cards that count as the "same name" in-game count as different cards for commander purposes and your problem is solved, also acts as a proxy-buff to some weak archetypes. In this case you can have at least:

>Fusion Sage

>Poly

>Super Poly

>Fusion Substitute

>Fusion Recycling Plant

without getting into gimmick territory.

>>15530236

I do still feel like the listed requirements being allowed in addition is required;

stuff like shadolls(not that they would be very good with only one fusion) wouldn't be able to function without listed stuff being allowed, it also allows for decks built around the option of the materials;

having a worthless "commander" so you can run certain groups seems cute(so you could run five headed for DARKs and Dragons).

The ability to run multiplies might be too much though i agree, though stuff like Gol'gar would rendered useless without triple of their needed material;

so the named materials being allowed at three might be needed just to balance the fact that otherwise they would be really bad compared to their less specific cousins.

Though now that i think about it, Invoked might be way too strong with such a ruling.

What is it with Konami suddenly deciding to "fix" old archetypes anyways? Not complaining about some support but the archetypes they've been giving support too seems…suspect.

>>15526227

Synchron, Six-Sam, Pendulum magicians, Sky Strikers, Metalfoes and Crystron .

>>15535885

Most of where the new legacy support is coming from is nosalgia sets which yugioh has always had at least a bit, the only thing different is that they're pandering to more than just Yugi and Kaiba fans for once. There's also always been legacy support for older archetypes people like, even outside of nostalgia pandering since people like to see their old cards be usable again. The only thing that feels unusual is the sudden influx of Neos support since that had never received any support since it was new and was pretty much just a joke in terms of playability. I've seen it theorized that Jaden may be returning in the anime and that seems somewhat plausible with all the new Neos cards and the set after SAST being named after Neos.

>>15542334

Or maybe they just realized its fucktarded to have a main characters archtype basically be unusable.

T.G is actually a pretty obvious choice as the deck was actually somewhat meta(which puts it in a somewhat blackwing spot, though not precisely as blackwings were shilled to hell and back) and Bruno was a major character.

Nordics fit the "belonged to an important character" thing as well, i don't actually remember if the guys who used them were popular.

I wonder if this means that Meklord support might pop-up soon.

Its not impossible for "Jaden" to pop up in VRAINS though, due to the avatar stuff.

>>15542424

Vehicroids are still terrible though even with Mobile Base and Barbaroid. They need more swarming…oh wait, this MR4, swarming's fucked.

>>15542562

It doesn't matter if the support actually helped or not, just that garbage archetypes have gotten shit out of the blue.

>>15542593

Though I do like Mobile Base's effect that it moves to the Main Monster zone. Just never liked the Extra Monster zone thing

>>15542616

I wonder if Konami will remain dedicated to keeping MR4 in place next gen. If they don't, they'll fuck over cards that need it, like Megafleet.

>>15542846

Or have MR4 be it's own format, skimming a bit from MTG.

>Tfw Links actually did kill the game in my area and its not the usual format change doomsayer bullshit

I just wanted vendreads to bring back zombie decks..

>>15550012

Time Lords?

>>15524769

Depends on how early we're talking. Stairway to the Destined Duel (2003) has board wipes everywhere and there were only two decks: Normal, which packs in as many draw cards, board wipes and disable cards with monsters that are high power for their attack and easy tributes OR Exodia, which has all the draw cards and the exoida parts plus defensive monsters and board wipes/counters to help last long enough.

Over the Nexus (2011) is has less board wipes, but still plenty of spells/traps/effect monsters that destroy stuff and counter it. You've got decent variety beyond these core cards though, with archetypes that favor swarming, buffing a single piercing dude, and some others, plus more options for Exodia themed decks.

>>15554733

It's a generic below-average zombie deck with banish control.

The new zombies like Tatsunecro, Grow-up Bloom, Drochshuile, and Otherworldly Banshee look average to pretty darn good. Everything else in the deck are just alright or make me go 'Why' over things like goblin zombie, beast of the pharaoh, shiranui solitaire, immortal ruler, overpowering eye, needlebug nest, and mask of restrict.

The fucking counter trap angels structure deck has better cards and made more sense than this.

>>15555012

>Glow-up Bloom

>new lv1 tuner

>instead of bringing itself back it lets you load your hand or field with a barely restricted material monster up to level 5 (!) and with no limitations on their effect

>but it's zombie specific and can only activate when sent to the graveyard and not at any point while in the graveyard

Monkey's Paw, they didn't even add new synchro-tuners to compensate for lucking you to zombies

on the upside:

>Red-Eyes Zombie Necro Dragon

>support from both zombies and red-eyes with beater potential

>you can intentionally cycle your graveyard out once per turn during the battle phase to help take advantage of some awkward zombie effects or set up KOs

unfortunately nothing really takes advantage of that potential except maybe the zombie dragon to snowball, but I could see people scraping structure decks for necro dragons as a solid 7 drop

>>15554733

Drochshuile and Zombie Necrozine are great.

>>15554733

I ran into that card the other day, shit floats like a duelist alliance archetype. Am I going to have to play infernoid just to counter this shit or is it going to die like the last structure deck?