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This is my analysis of both

Both games are ok. I know there's a lot of people who call Undertale a worse OFF. The stories have a similar tone the main differences lie in OFF focusing on surrealism and horror while Undertale focuses more on 4th wall breaking and humor. The fighting is also quite different. OFF has JRPG styled battle mechanics while Undertale has pretty easy bullet hell fights. Both games have overworld puzzles but OFF greatly excels in that area. What's interesting is that Undertale puts a lot of puzzles into the fights themselves. To get the pacifist ending you have to figure out how to spare all the bosses and even some of the lesser mobs. In OFF you never have the option to spare a boss or regular enemy.

Regarding the bosses there's a very interesting parallel between the second major boss of both games. In both instances the intended method is to fight the boss for a short while, realize they're too powerful, and then escape from the battle. In Undertale escaping is the pacifist approach and if you're trying to kill the boss outright you can quite easily do so without escaping once, in OFF however defeating the boss in your first encounter with him is nigh impossible unless you've grinded an absurd amount beforehand. And of course you're required to defeat the boss later in a weakened state because OFF doesn't concern itself with sparing bosses.

Both games are very similar and they both excel in mostly the same ways. It's hard to pick the clearly superior game. I bet the untranslated French version of OFF has vastly superior writing to the english version and if that is indeed the case OFF probably comes out on top, but with no way of knowing it's probably a tie.

What's certainly true is that if you enjoy one game you will most likely enjoy the other.

Undertale is in many respects the game I was hoping for OFF to be.

Went into OFF expecting something that was going to mess with my head and play with my expectations. Didn't really get that at all. Instead got a decent serving of off-beat surrealism spoiled by a horrendous level of grindy combat that I normally only tolerate in porn games (seriously you've got to be a contrarian faggot to claim that OFF is a better game in light of how grindy the combat is). Undertale on the other hand might have played its tone a bit more safe with a lot of standard rpg themes, but it actually delivers in the "play with your expectations" department while still having a fair bit off off-beat surrealism/horror mixed in.

>>15457001

>Shitposters get a thread banned instead of getting banned themselves

>>15457148

I didn't notice any surrealism at all in Undertale. Right from the beginning the narration tells you your'e in a world full of monsters. Your first fight shows you that the monsters have mostly human tendencies. They have ruins, food, towns, jokes, bars, dating, and even bad TV shows. The running joke is that when you talk to the scary looking monster man your conversation wouldn't be out of place in a normal human town. Where's the surrealism in that? It's almost the opposite of surrealism, taking what should be an alien topic and making it so human it's laughable. You entirely forget the odd combination of talking normally to a monster after you pass through the first area. Surrealism is not about normalizing what should be uncomfortable, it's about making uncomfortable situation out of normal elements.

The easiest way to explain this is to again explain OFF as the example. You have the Elsen, which look human, perform vaguely human labours, and ground the world as it's common people. But even as you talk to the first one he's telling you how they harvest Smoke from rocks and that he desperately needs to get back to work. OFF's Elsen are the polar opposite of Undertale's monsters. Where the Monsters first appearance is creepy the Elsen seem human. While monsters are humanized and respected the Elsen become more and more a sick perversion of humanity which must be extinguished. But even our main character is a disturbing perversion of humanity. What is more generically human than a baseball player? But what exactly is the Batter? The very first words he utters do not fit his appearance and we are shown more and more of his disturbing nature up until the very end of the game.

This same contrast appears throughout all the elements of Undertale and OFF. How the world of Undertale is slowly normalized (ruins -> snowy village -> tourist attraction -> research lab -> king's castle) while OFF becomes more and more surreal (tutorial level -> mines -> office space -> horror town -> factory of the dead -> inside the mind of a little boy). Undertale normalizes the weird and OFF creates perverse imitations of the mundane.

undertale is kike propaganda

and chara did nothing wrong

>>15457282

I did say that Undertale plays it safe most of the time. It's mainly during the darker parts of the game that the surrealism (maybe more accurately described as off-beat horror) shows.

>>15457321

chara is a coon

test

>>15457192

>/v/ should be a hugbox where the games you don't like never show up to offend you

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