/v/ - A FUCKING PLANT

>>15431312

ぺたんこの方がええじゃん

>>15431511

>>15431587

>>15431608

>>15431617

Take your 3DPD lust somewhere else fags.

>>15431312

I'm starting to think that one hour a day isn't enough. Lately my flash cards have been piling up and it's taking me longer and longer to complete them. It went from 45 mins to about an hour to about double that amount of time. It's partly because Anki is giving me more cards to review, but I also think it's because I'm going at such a slow pace.

I've got hours of free time each day, what with being a NEET and all. Should I do more study or try and cut back in order to avoid burning out? I usually only do my Anki reviews, but sometimes I read a bit about grammar here and there, and sometimes I watch anime, but it's hard to find sites with a good selection that don't also have embedded English subtitles. I'm going at a pretty lax pace, and I just wonder if doing more would have any tangible benefit.

>>15431338

I think there's a few things that can be removed from that OP, such as

>Forvo.com

>Mainichi.me

>Japanese Audiobooks

A lot of these links are dead, so it'd be better to find a more varied resource, but at the same time some of them still work, so I'm conflicted I guess

>AJATT

>Erin.ne.jp

>Japanese Video Cast

This one only has a handful of videos and surely there's a more comprehensive video series out there.

I know this has been asked before, but can someone gimmie some games as incentive to learn Japanese? All I can think of right now is the Trails and Yakuza series.

>>15432083

Depends on your skill level. If you're just starting out, Pokemon is good because practically everything is in Kana, and the language is simple because it's for kids. Games that cater to older teens/young adults tend to have more Kanji in them and also tend to use more complex language. I'd suggest simply playing a game you already enjoy, but in Japanese and see how that works out for you.

If you want actual recommendations, then start by asking what types of game you want to play.

>>15432083

Any game that is from Japan. Translations are often shitty so even if it gets one it's better to play in the original language.

>>15432068

Since you have so much time, I don't see a reason not to study more if you are serious about learning. If you don't know much grammar yet, getting a good amount of that in will allow you to enjoy fun material more, which can help with motivation.

>>15432975

2K/6K is vocabulary, which is different from just kanji study. Anki is dry, but there are a lot of words you have to learn and it's one of the better ways to deal with that problem. If you're learning vocab then you don't want to ignore the pronunciation, most kanji only have 1-2 pronunciations so it gets easy to remember them as you learn more words. If you're just studying kanji alone you can ignore pronunciation and focus on meaning. You're ready for Tae Kim after learning the kana, so now if you want.

>>15431338

Most of it can already be found in the main DJT guides, no need to make a pastebin.

>>15432068

As a complete beginner Anki can easily take up a fair amount of your time, but you do want to spend some more time on other things. I would suggest working harder on grammar. The sooner you can start reading and stuff the better. Once you reach that point, I think you can safely cut back on Anki a bit to instead spend more time doing that. Reading for hours at a time and enjoying it > trudging through Anki cards for an hour. Anki has it's place, but once you attain basic usability of the language I don't believe it should be a core part of your study regime personally. If you feel like you're getting too much Anki and could burn out, cut back.

>>15432083

85%+ of eroge.

>>15432068

I don't know who did quality control for mainichi.me, but I installed it to test it out and already saw two words spelled wrong. とおだい instead of とうだい(灯台) and くどう instead of くうどう (空洞).

Is there a site or torrent for Japanese audiobooks? I tried finding podcasts but all of them were either paywalled or mostly in English or both (fuck Japanesepod that shit sucks)

Grammar advice is sound and indeed, I even find it fun…until I take a news article for a test drive and find a crapload of words and kanji I don't know. Might be vacationing to Japan next year so it's best that I'n not completely illiterate by then.

>>15431541

ホモはそうじゃろう。

>>15436910

You could make your own cards if you feel the need. If you've been picking things up well through exposure thus far then you could just spend your extra time on more of that instead. I feel like for every 15 or so words I'm unfamiliar with, I might add 1 to Anki. I try to mostly add words I think will take a long time or otherwise be difficult to learn through exposure. You could try doing the same for learning kanji. I find that I can sometimes be liable to confuse similar looking characters or fail to recognize them in unfamiliar words if I don't take an extra step or two in an effort to learn them though myself.

>>15436342

何しょん？おめーどこから？岡山弁っぽいんじゃけ。

How long would it realistically take to learn Japanese enough where you can speak it pretty okay and get by?

>>15438320

Longer than you have left in this world, anon.

So what's the consensus on college courses? Did I waste my money?

>>15438350

I've always wondered if this was true.

>>15438386

I mentioned doing this in another thread a few days ago, and I've only got my own anecdote to share.

But I've seen servers where Chinese fucks come in and start hacking and causing trouble, and then starting posting shit about Tiananmen Square and whatnot, and they got kicked and banned shortly thereafter. I don't know if the two are related or if an admin was contacted and kicked the chink, or if autodetect tools did it, but I certainly believe it's possible.

Could just be coincidental timing though.

>>15438386

My college course is helpful. My professor made his own mini textbook (and only charged us 7 bucks for it). He's very helpful although there's some retards in my class who think too highly of themselves and want to learn kanji right away.

>>15438320

>can speak it pretty okay and get by?

2 years immersion in japan

better than a native speaker?

15 years is doable.

>>15431312

>third screenshot

Good advice.

>>15431479

Just learn it mang.

>>15438431

The site used to provide a torrent file to for people download the entire Nip subs. It was last updated in 2016. Where is it now?

>>15438417

I'm intrigued by the technical aspects of this anecdote.

How many minutes had passed between the time you posted about Tiananmen square and the time when those Chinks were kicked out?

>>15438555 (Checked)

It took me around 2 years to reach intermediate understanding of grammar and vocabularies, and I only practiced speaking Japanese to other people for like once every month. I imagine I could reach intermediate level within 1 year if I had started learning Japanese in Japan instead of other countries.

>>15436342

ロリの魅力が分からないやつらこそ真のホモなんだよ

>>15438697

Just a few. It was TF2, which is a Source game. I'm not sure how that game handles in-game text sent to the client, whether it's encrypted or not.

A friend said it definitely worked for him on social media though, when he was getting harassed by phishing scams.

>>15431541

>>15436342

>>15437267

>>15438701

おっぱいロリはどう思う？

くだらない喧嘩で日本語会話練習はいいけど、でもたまにはもっと堅い話題を探さない？

たとえば、最近の北海道の７度地震

恐ろしいよね、それ

>>15438823

Maybe it has something to do with Packet Sniffer or something?

>>15439076

俺の場合は岡山住んでるんだから天変地異があんまり凄くねー

でももっと関係がある事は最近零の軌跡やってるよ

先にスーファミのエストポリス伝記２やったけど零の軌跡の日本語の方がめちゃ難しいんじゃ

とにかく段々に頑張って上手になるよ！

why the fuck is this completely irrelevant thread allowed here? learning japanese is one of the worst decisions you could possibly make. there's no opportunities to be gained from learning it. there's no artistic integrity in your little faggot cartoons so it's okay to watch the dubed version. besides that japan will stop existing very soon once based russia and assad destroy the usa and china finally gets revenge on japan, little fags

>>15431541

What's the difference between 人 and 方?

>>15439232

In what way?

人 is person/type-of-person/etc…

方 is direction/way-of-doing/way-of-being/etc…

If you mean "why do you refer to people with 方?" when talking politely. It's because it's a very indirect way of referring to someone without singling them out exactly. Much like you would say こちら (this way) to introduce someone politely instead of この人 (this guy). Think of it as the difference between holding your hand open in the direction of someone and pointing directly at them. The latter is much ruder and more aggressive.

>>15439246

>If you mean "why do you refer to people with 方?" when talking politely

Yea, that. I looked up 方 and google said it means person, but I knew that 人 means person too so I was wondering how it's different. So it doesn't even mean person, but direction and in Japan talking about someone, it's polite address them indirectly? I'll keep that in mind. Thanks.

>>15439076

日本の実態は我々に取っちゃどうでも良いこったろう。我々が学んでいるのは日本と言う国の言葉ではなく、仮想世界の言語である月の言葉だという事をしっかりと理解してもらいたいなあ。日本自体が大災厄で破壊されても、既に人間の短い一生でやりきれない量のゲームが存在しているので、日本の災厄なんか我々の知った事じゃねえんだよ。現実世界が気になってるなら、あんたはリア充だ。ならば、糞して死ねぞ。

>>15439183

>俺の場合は岡山住んでるんだから天変地異があんまり凄くねー

よかった

ところで、何でそこに住んでるの？

もしかして日本人なの？それとも在日米国人？

>日本語の方がめちゃ難しいんじゃ

あんたはペラペラそうに見えるけど、何で難しいの？

字幕が映ってない？

ファンタジーのゲームだから珍しい単語だらけだよね、そのゲームは

>とにかく段々に頑張って上手になるよ！

おおう！

>>15439295

他人の災難をあんな簡単に無視するなんて

あんた人間なの？

>月の言葉

ｗ

あんな話題に気に入らないなら別の話題を探そう

僕が始める

最近どんなゲームに嵌ってるの？

>あんたはリア充だ

ちがうよ

僕は生まれた時から電波なんだからリア充じゃないよ

でも一応彼女いた

Why is the ORRRAH catchphrase usually used by delinquents sometimes written as ORURA (おるら）instead of ORRA　（おっら）？

>>15439076

>おっぱいロリ

やだ！

>>15438552

>some retards in my class who think too highly of themselves and want to learn kanji right away.

Why wouldn't you start learning kanji right away? (after kana)

>>15439280

The more polite something is in Japanese, the less direct it is in general.

>>15439387

>何でそこに住んでるの？

>もしかして日本人なの？それとも在日米国人？

日本人？！笑

社交辞令じゃろ？俺オーストラリア人なんじゃ。英語の先生なんじゃ。

元々会社がここに配属したけど今岡山人の彼女がおるんじゃけここに住んでるんじゃ

岡山は最高なんじゃ！誰でも気にしてねーし大抵安全あるし

ホンマに田舎っぽいけど大きい都市の便利があるんじゃ w

>何で難しいの？

文法や言葉がちょっと複雑なんじゃけ

エストポリス伝記２に比べて

>>15439472

>社交辞令じゃろ？

そのつもりはなかったけれど、へへ

>俺オーストラリア人なんじゃ。

Ｏｉ、Ｍａｔｅ！

>英語の先生なんじゃ。

厳しくない、それは？

他の英語教師に聞くと給料が少ないと言ってた

>元々会社がここに配属したけど今岡山人の彼女がおるんじゃけここに住んでるんじゃ

はい、拍手！

元の社会にどんな仕事してたの？

それで、彼女と結婚する気はない？

>エストポリス伝記２に比べて

ごめん、あのゲームをやったことない

むしろ聞いたことがない

ていうか、今はもうゲームの時間がない

僕は就職やらなきゃいけないんだから

>>15439402

1) sukuon in general interacts strangely with voiced sounds and doesn't normally occur before them

2) since the most common realization of /r/ in Japanese is a flap, and because flaps can't be continuants or have their closure held out like stops, it is difficult to conceptualize what っラ would sound like

3) I can't find a source anymore but as I remember repeated るs or 1+ るs before another r-kana are used in otamatopoeia to represent a rolled-r trill sound. since trills can be continuants and can be described as many flaps happening quickly, it makes sense that that could be used to draw out an /r/.

>>15438386

Depends on the school and professor buy I'd say generally yes. 100 levels tend to go super slow though.

Also, because Genki is priced as a normal consumer book, Japanese is often the cheapest language to take at a college.

>>15441359

> only white member of their university's Jeunesse club

本当じゃないよ！私たちが二人いる。

>>15441385

>Jeunesse

大丈夫か？

>>15441481

Actually, only about half of the current Japanese populations speaks Japanese due to the declining birth rates. The rest speak Arabic pig tongues.

>>15441359

>>15441481

You guys can tell it's a poorly done research if it claims that the majority of these Japanese speakers had Miku as one of their beloved characters. It's unintuitive.

>>15441800

No way that's true. 75% of Japanese live outside Tokyo and they don't have any lingua franca other than the Japanese language.

Tokyo having 25% of the entire population has an unique case.

Within the entire Japanese population, there are no more than 3% of non-Japanese. Only a fraction of that is Arabic speakers.

>>15443120

>>15441800

>>15441481

>Can easily identify the mathematical falsehoods.

>Can't identify the satire at all.

Holy shit, you guys. https://www.theonion.com/report-58-of-world-s-japanese-speakers-white-23-year-1819576309

>>15443547

>The Onion

Fair enough. I've practically never read even one article from the site despite its fame.

We live in an age where there's too many fake news being spread around, so I wouldn't be able to tell whether or not this is article is intended to be a satire.

>>15441456

Sorry, can't help you anon, don't know anything remotely similar. Maybe try Lang-8 or something?

>that page

Cute.

>1689 Vocab Cards seen so far.

I know you can only learn so fast, but I wish there was a way to hurry this up without sacrificing retention. It's frustrating not being able to put in more work to get more results. I guess it's fine since I know I would burn myself out.

>>15445802

Start doing some reading on the side if you're not already. It'll reinforce that grammar (among other things) you're hopefully learning and you'll pick up some vocab along the way. It also shouldn't pose a high-risk of burning out because there should be some level of enjoyment and sense of accomplishment that comes with. Well, that's not to say it can't be frustrating at the start.

>おねーちゃんが手ぇふった

Ok, yotsuba waved at the girl, why is the girl marked with が and not に (as i expected)?

>>15440246

>wanting to see the pixels.

You don't want to know how the sausage is made, anon.

>>15452089

She's saying お姉ちゃん waved (back.) As お姉ちゃん is marked by が, she's the subject, the doer of the action here. If it were に, that would indicate her as the target of the action, the one being waved at.

How the fuck do you remember kanji? Ive been doing the vocab pack for a while now but i cannot remember the kanji all that well. Not to mention a lot of them look extremely similar. Its bumming me out anons

>>15452612

Here's one (1) simple trick: You can't learn japanese.

>>15452612

Have you tried dedicated kanji study? It can help a lot. Learning to recognize the components and deriving meaning from them helps with similar characters too.

>>15452612

I do typed responses with IME pad and it generally makes me remember them pretty well.

>>15452612

Effortlessly. It's easier to learn new kanji than it is to remember arbitrary English spellings.

>Doing the Eikaiwa shit

>One of my students is a high school girl studying for college entrance exams

>Brings in a short thing in English that apparently was on the entrance exam for the university she's entering in the past, asks if I could translate it for her

>Generally we don't do work outside of, well, work, but she's always been a hard worker and I don't mind doing a little extra work to help her out, and it's good practice for me anyway

>Take a look at it

>It's a fucking philosophy essay by Einstein

http://drjingma.com/blog/whatibelieve

And they expect high school kids to be able to parse enough of this shit in another language. Jesus.

>>15454776

Yeah. What they expect of kids is bizarrely complex. And yet their English is teeeeeeerrible. I've known people with 英検２級 and １級 and their English is fucking terrible when it comes to actually interacting with another human being.

Where you working, btw? I'm in Okayama myself doing the ALT gig. :V

>>15454818

It's in large part because they only really teach reading, writing, and listening, not speaking. While Eiken requires them to do an interview where they have to speak, the actual university entrance exams don't, so the schools don't teach it.

Nara here.

>>15454776

What the fuck. There are native English speaking adults that probably couldn't read and comprehend that shit.

>>15454776

As a native speaker of two languages, I'd still struggle to translate this between them.

>>15457550

Translation is absurdly difficult. I still can't understand how the hell those live-translators at places like the UN do to listen to someone speaking and immediately translate it into something else. That requires some good mental power, I have a hard time even when people ask me to translate easy shit that I know the meaning of, but for some reason when I try to convey the message in the target language, it is like my brain shuts down.

If I got this far, might as well learn some mandarin for fun. As long as you don't put it on your resume, nothing bad can happen, right?

>>15454776

>>15454818

>Work in an Eikaiwa and be a glorified pen pal who's only expected to play games in English and never actually teach.

>Become a JET and have less involvement and worse pay than a student TA at a university.

>Become an actual teacher and have one of the most demanding hiring schemes and schedules of any teacher from any country for not much better pay than in America

These all sound terrible. Are there any good way to be an English teacher in Japan for someone who actually wants to teach the Language? Should I just get a masters in linguistics and try becoming a professor at a small university?

>>15458731

Probably. I will say that with the eikaiwa route you're at least more likely to get students who actually WANT to learn, hence why they're paying for it, and depending on the school and the students you can actually get away with genuinely teaching them shit, but it's far from the ideal learning system.

>>15458731

Lot of other foreigners I know here do private lessons on the side with adults who legit want to learn the language. Though it's all cash in hand and not strictly allowed under our visas. So you can't get into the country on that shit unless you're married to a national or something. In which case you can do whatever the hell you want.

Also yeah. Having worked alongside Japanese public school teachers, you do not want to get a job being an actual teacher here. Unless you luck out and find a really generous private school. One of the teachers I work with called it a black company and it basically is. With all the stuff they're expected to do with no compensation, teaching in Japan is largely a government funded black company.

>>15458772

With how Westernized businesses in Japan have become, every company is a black company at this point.

>>15458778

The worst part is coming from Australia is the complete opposite. "Work smart; not hard" is how we operate and it's a damn good system. So it drives me nuts watching teachers do 6 hours of work in 12 because they're expected to be at work until late, not actually be productive.

It's slowly changing with smaller companies and start-ups. But very very slowly. Funnily enough the big companies you would think would be the cushiest are the worst when it comes to that "traditional Japanese work culture". I think I remember recently NHK topped the charts for black companies.

Saying that, if >>15458731 looked at smaller eikaiwas or private schools you'd probably have a better chance of working somewhere you'd have more freedom to actually teach and not get worked to the bone for no recompense. Though that's not always true. There's a recently opened private school near me (2015) and they've apparently been through several foreign teachers in that time. So they're probably quite "traditional". Also if you're not living in the country there's no way in hell you'd be able to apply for the smaller places.

Best way is to get a shitty ALT job like me and use it as a stepping stone to something not shit. You have plenty of downtime as an ALT to study moon.

>>15458821

Man, I would've thought Australia would be the same as the States, go figure.

I will say that working at NOVA you as a foreign teacher aren't expected to work overtime for no pay at least and they can't really do much to force you, but they absolutely do it to the Japanese staff.

>>15432975

Start reading Tae Kim right now, it starts off at the very basics.

I started reading manga recently (read 5 chapters of 侵略！イカ娘 so far) and I add pretty much every word I look up on jisho into my anki mining deck, I have 97 cards so far. Could some people show me their mining decks? Should I try to only add common words? Reading manga has made learning so much more fun, my advice to new learners is to read all of tae kim's grammar guide and then start reading some easy manga. I spent a year doing core6k before getting tired of it (1.5 hours anki each day, almost never reading anything) and quitting for a few months. When I got back into it a month ago I finished off tae kim and started core6k again, but 5 new cards a day instead of 20.

>>15461039

>not studying the language of your ancestors

I already know it

>>15459806

I just have a single vocab deck with core6k+random other words I thought would be interesting to add it to Anki, so I don't forget it every five minutes.

I'd die if I had to do 20 cards per day (actually something like 7 new is about the maximum that's still manageable for me. I'll never finish that fucking deck, fml.)

>>15461039

>not studying the language of your ancestors

But that's exactly what I'm doing

>>15461039

Our ancestors spoke many different languages over time, are we supposed to learn every one all the way back to cave man speech?

>>15461011

I don't like English to Japanese cards because it's hard to deal with synonyms. If I looked at that card and thought 西側 instead, should I mark myself wrong even though I gave a perfectly good answer? I considered production focused cards and thought about different formats, but never went anywhere with it. Too much work.

>>15441359

>(((White)))

sounds like more of that push to define what makes a person “Japanese” the kikes are pushing so hard

>>15461161

In those cases if there's a synonym I add to the clue section (Not: 一瞬) for example, if the word is 瞬間. But as you say, it's far from perfect.

>>15461167

It's clearly a joke article, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Jews were trying to destroy our identity, seeing as they are basically an unholy fusion of Chinks and Gooks.

>>15457856

>>15458667

Mandarin is useless unless you work in China and/or some western liberal retard who also learned mandarin wants to hire you to pretend learning mandarin was a good decision.

Some anon on cuckchan posted his experience working at a steel company (as a businessman) in southern china and said it was hell.

>>15461688

Actually I don't care if it's in English I just need would really like to have characters I can copy to search for the artist and see if I can find prints of the work

>>15461730

Nevermind I'm a retarded faggot

Ohara Koson

>>15461039

If I could figure out if I was Irish or Scottish I would. Sadly I don’t really know my father and all I have is my red hair and pale skin to go by.

>>15460964

>"fuck, I'll never need this word in my life", then suddenly the next day I hear it or see it out in the wild.

I feel like this as well! And also lots of words I add to the list are N1/N2, I totally get what you mean!

>>15460981

Adding words after you've had to look them up two or three times already sounds a nice compromise for words you think you'll never use, thanks for your advice

Also I didn't know anki's name was based on Japanese, 面白い！

I hope to one day be able to play video games without too much effort/pausing and to be able to somewhat manage light novels. Maybe I should pick up some textbook if I ever hit the intermediate wall.

I'm the guy that posted about making an accurate companion guide Genki a couple threads ago. I'm almost done with the hiragana and katakana intro sections as of a few weeks ago and haven't had time to work on it since. The thing is, I didn't remember that Genki gives almost no information about pronunciation besides the romanization and a few notes on the bound morae, so the 2 kana sections together, which are 6 and a half pages in the book, became 15 so far in the guide, and I still have to add stroke order diagrams. Most of that space is very dense phonetics and phonology information, and I feel like it's too much, and too complex to be so soon in the book.

So I had the idea to give some very basic notes at the beginning and spread the rest out over the 12 chapters as separate "Pronunciation Notes" from most to least important (common / noticeable) topics. My concern with that is that bad pronunciation habits are harder to break the longer you have them, and that knowing these can help with listening comprehension early on. Which plan should I go with?

>>15474886

I'm not sure pronunciation information in a text resource is all that useful, at least on its own. Do you know of any good videos that cover it that you could just link too? Or at least reference heavily with your own supporting explanations. Without being able to hear that stuff it would be hard to understand, and if you try to get into deep linguistic descriptions most people won't know what you're talking about.

This thread makes me kind of sad. Most of the fags here are having trouble with basic shit that should be easy, and lots of the others are doing shit that will get you fluent eventually but is still pretty retarded. If I tried to give advice very few if any people would listen because they think Japanese has to be hard or else you won't learn.

>>15477353

>lots of the others are doing shit that will get you fluent eventually but is still pretty retarded.

What's used here isn't very different from the rest of the internet. If you truly believe you have a superior method, post it and let it be analyzed.

>If I tried to give advice very few if any people would listen

You've created a self-fulfilling prophecy of defeat by not posting it. Very few people adopt anything new at first, and only a handful of people explore new options. This shouldn't be surprising.

>>15477353

>Most of the fags here are having trouble with basic shit that should be easy

Like what? Give an example. I don't think anyone here is claiming to be an expert on language acquisition, and you have to admit that teaching oneself a new language is quite a daunting task. Don't act like you've got some holy grail of knowledge that is going to produce instant results in just 6 weeks or less or your money back, when all you've done is shit on others for putting for the effort to learn.

>If I tried to give advice very few if any people would listen because they think Japanese has to be hard or else you won't learn.

Just because you post, doesn't mean (you) deserve a response. Besides, "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink" and all that, right?

>>15475360

Yes, there are several websites I can link that have audio of the sounds in question in isolation, which I'll add. Those are good for checking your understanding of a description, but you usually still need a description of how physically to pronounce a sound to learn it accurately in a reasonable amount of time, and for allophones you still need a description of when they happen. Since those are the things that take up most of the space I still have the same problem.

Is there a high quality translation guide for yotuba? the sentence/work pack is shit, it only covers a handful of useful ones, and searching online leads to alot of incomplete fan attempted translations.

>>15483832

Just try reading it and look up anything you don't get on Google, A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar, or some other resource of your choosing. If there's stuff you still can't figure out you can either skip over it for the time being or ask here again. That's pretty much what you'll be doing from now on anyway as the Yotsuba guide only lasts a couple volumes, so you may as well get used to it. I wouldn't suggest fan-translations as a fallback as a lot of them can be shit.

>>15489586

>Japanese language knowledge a plus, but not required

They're just looking for a Hatsuu 2.0, better have those tits ready. And fuck LA.

>>15489621

Post 'em

I joined a few japanese clubs in my area. I live in the middle of nowhere but at our meetings we have two japanese professors, a few weeaboos, a kid with autism, and a plain 30 year old white girl who for some reason speaks japanese.

At least I'm getting more 'immersion' right?

I think that brings my total hours to 6.5 hours a week. I try to do anki but I'm so hopeless, grammar is kicking me in the ass and I can't for the life of me recognize which sentences are grammatically correct or not, even if I can get all the vocabulary.

>>15461167

>>15461196

Integration of people into Japan is actually the best route though. Would you prefer the pajeets and niggers overstaying their visas DONT learn japanese?

On a side note any of you guys try japanese dating sites. Might make a profile soon.

>>15489870

This tbh. Japan should stay Japanese and enforce their cultural and ethnic identity.

>>15489870

That's not going to happen though. Muh human rights.

Believe me I wish it could be so

>>15489876

Who gives a fuck. We arent japanese.

>>15489906

Okay, you are staight up absurd. It is most important that we defend nearly every culture against the sub saharan menace. Whether a pajeet and a nip fall in love does not really concern us. Ever heard of ingroup bias? My math professor is an indian. Meanwhile my only white professor is a postmodernist who plays Stephen Colbert clips during class. Being too exclusive will just result in another great wound to civilization, like the war between Hitler and Stalin.

>>15440246

This. The OP images look awful.

>>15490660

Actually, Japan has a lot of pajeets working in コンビニs, and I've seen some muslims in kebab restaurants (even some Japanese people has converted to Islam, it's the weirdest thing to see a Japanese woman with a hijab).

>>15490705

indonesians

>>15490022

>It is most important that we defend nearly every culture against the sub saharan menace

>Whether a pajeet and a nip fall in love does not really concern us.

So you'll be fine to isolate the blacks/Bantus, but do not mind that two non-African people are going to racemix and destroy cultures.

You can't be arguing for ethnic purity this way.

>Ever heard of ingroup bias?

Sure, it's one manifestation of human psychology to protect their cultural purity.

>Being too exclusive will just result in another great wound to civilization, like the war between Hitler and Stalin.

The war between Hitler and Stalin obviously is about security, not being too exclusive. They signed a non-aggression pact but Hitler decided to attack Russia simply because he decided Stalin can't be trusted.

Is this even a bait?

Anyway,

>>>/reddit/

>>15490630

>working instead of studying

Word of warning dude, I heard that the Japanese government has started to crack down on people who misuse their visas. If you have a working visa, then work, otherwise don't. You might be deported if caught violating that law.

If you want a good introduction, just download a copy of Tae Kim's book print it, and learn from it until you reach level N3. Or you could just go to a bookstore (I'd recommend Kinokuniya/紀伊國屋書店) and find books that teaches Japanese or JLPT.

ちゃんと勉強しなさいよね！

あと日本人に迷惑をかからないで！！

外国人、特に留学生に嫌な噂をさせるのはダメだからね！！！

>>15490660

Delusional.

>Trump permitting his sons to marry Jews

>Turkey allowing Synagogue to exist right in their capital city

>Indians still allow some Muslims and Christians to live in India

>Russians and some Eastern Europe citizens doing the same thing India did

How long have you been living in a cave?

>>15490697

>>15490705

>>15490731

No one can be certain about the ethnicity of those women who wore hijab, unless the photographer did see their faces. Yes, they could be foreign tourist or native Japanese. There's a large amount of Muslims living in Japan and they're converting some people, including the Japanese into Muslims. Disgusting.

>>15490697

Only place where I saw that was in Roppongi, Tokyo, and that place was a fucking shithole.

>>15490757

>Someone who misuses and abuses an entire country's trust should just be executed

That statement is morally sound considering the cultural impacts, but it isn't that simple. Shitstorms may happen when a host nation treats foreigners in a way that offends other countries.

Here's one example from my rough recollection:

In 2015, some Australians got caught using drugs in Indonesia, a country that likes to sentence drug users to death. Indonesian authorities were about to execute them when Australian diplomats came and negotiated with the local authorities. The diplomats wanted to let the drug users be deported back to Australia, and they did manage to send one home. But in return for that, the rest were executed and Australia was forced to sign a deal on a cattle trade that one sided-ly benefits Indonesia.

>inb4 Australia should've just let them die

I think governments are reluctant to do that since it sends a bad message to the world: that the government doesn't care about its citizens' life, and does not respect the concept of human rights. That's bad for future negotiations.

t. International Affairs enthusiast

>>15490863

>You are a Marxist faggot

Prove this first dumbass. I'm not even a Marxist.

All I was saying to you was that you were wrong: some people want Muslims and Jews in their homeland. That's all there is to it.

>>15490886

>posting an unrelated infograph out of nowhere

Go back to your containment board.

>>>/pol/

You certainly have no interest learning Japanese in a Japanese thread.

切腹しろ、このデブあほ腐ってるネトウヨめ！

>>15489586

>Japanese language knowledge a plus, but not required

That should tell you literally everything you need to know about (((localization)))

>>15489692

>Integration of people into Japan is actually the best route though. Would you prefer the pajeets and niggers overstaying their visas DONT learn japanese?

No, I'd prefer they were kicked the fuck out. I go out of my way to obey the law and keep my visa up to date, if they can't be assed to do the same, they should fucking leave.

>>15489893

>Who gives a fuck. We arent japanese.

Speak for yourself.

>>15490899 (Checked)

>That should tell you literally everything you need to know about (((localization)))

To be fair the Job wasn't even about translating stuff, it's mostly about proofreading (checking typos, grammatical errors and other bad practices in the translation drafts), using computer programs and some bits about connecting fellow employees. The job is certainly not something to help you into practicing Japanese.

>>15490951

If you're going to be proofreading a translation, you should fucking know Japanese - god knows how many times I've had to consult with the original writers to make sure any edits I make to their work don't lose the original intent. Again, these companies are cancer and should all be burned to the ground.

>>15491068

>If you're going to be proofreading a translation, you should fucking know Japanese

I'm not sure about that anon, because we seem to have different approaches in translation.

In my company, we have two kinds of people working on translations: One translates Japanese into English, the other proofreads the resulting English text and regularly consults the translator on all the corrections and original meanings. The proofreader is only expected to be a fluent English speaker.

>>15491095

See, I would skip the middleman entirely and check with the original Japanese author on the original meanings, because you should never trust other people's translations.

>>15491114

>calling a random person a Marxist just for pointing out that multiculturalism is taking place in some parts of the world

>accusing people of having interest in destroying Japan, despite said person only works as a translator and lives thousands of miles away from Japan

You know what, I take my words back. You don't belong in this site.

>>>/cuckchan/

>>>/reddit/

>>>/NeoFAG/

>>>/Facebook/

>>>/gaia/

Fucking retard.

I'm done with your idiocy, find some other idiot to peddle your third-grade insults at.

>>15491118

That's a valid approach in situation where you can't trust people, anon. You did a right thing and that's good.

But in my case, I could trust my proofreader, and he does trust me. That's my perk for living in a high-trust society.

Different strokes for different folks, I see.

>>15490630

どこにアルバイト？

>>15491164

>That's my perk for living in a high-trust society.

I live in Japan, you don't get more high-trust society than that. This has nothing to do with it being a trustworthy society, and everything to do with the fact that when you add in extra middlemen like that, you're going to end up playing Telephone essentially. To put it another way, "if you want a job done right, do it yourself." Again, never trust other people's translations - I always encourage Japanese to learn English as much as possible rather than trusting my translations even.

>>15431318

That's a funny way of writing "Don't learn chinese"

1989六四天安門虐殺

1989六四事件新聞報導

1989六四事件中中共在天安門對手無寸鐵的百姓進行

六四天安门广场大屠杀

6月4日天安门广场大屠杀

六四事件

维尼熊

个人崇拜

终身制

动物庄园

一九八四

1989六四天安門虐殺

1989六四事件新聞報導

1989六四事件中中共在天安門對手無寸鐵的百姓進行

>>15431479

Trips say you learn japanese, learn it confidently enough to become a translator, and take the sacrifice of staying in Nintendo of America's localization department because you're level of quality will vastly outshine the other's and will raise the bar of standards high enough to keep it from being the shit that it is.

>>15491576

Except they probably will actively make sure not to hire people who know Japanese because they'd have to pay you too much, and would rather just use it as a way to find positions for the HR guy's friend's women's studies major kid. There is no salvation for (((localization))), it must all burn.

What's with the removed posts?

Did I miss something?

Alright, let me try a translation of OP's third pic…

>落胆する必要はないぜ、ベイベー！

>バインバインじゃなくても頭が良ければ万事オッケー！

>There is no need to be disappointed, baby!

>If you aren't a titty monster, that means your head is fine so everything is OK!

>>15493814

>If you aren't a titty monster, that means your head is fine so everything is OK!

Not quite, the ても means "even if" rather than "because." So to keep with the tone of your translation:

"Even if you aren't a titty monster, as long as your head is fine everything is OK!"

>>15494001

Appreciated. I mean, ありがとう、無名君。

I'm the biggest weaboo here but take that shit to >>>/jp/

>>15495998

>Yeah, you are right, but I'm not here with Student visa, I'm in Japan with a Working Holiday visa. I can work freely, without any limitation.

Good to hear that.

>Thanks for the tips, anon.

You're welcome. Keep studying, anon.

Don't get yourself burned out though, since you're working on restaurant for now you won't be requiring anything above intermediate Japanese fluency.

Here's a tangentially related anecdote. I'm in a some sort of internship in a game translation company, and they let their new translators be highly liberal in their translation works, even at the high cost of accuracy. They're not pozzed with leftist politics as far as I can see though. If a translator can get away with that, why can't a worker do the same thing? Sure, it's bad, but people need time to learn Japanese.

>that spoiler

Could you please explain why?

Because I keep hearing that the Brits are the worst tourists, after the Chinese in a worldwide level.

I think I am going to give up…

>>15496297

>I'm in a some sort of internship in a game translation company, and they let their new translators be highly liberal in their translation works, even at the high cost of accuracy.

Cancer

>>15496321

You're going to commit suicide? Loser.

>>15495998

Forgot another point.

>I was the one who took the picture (look at the filename and my post date). I'm pretty sure they were Japanese.

The burden of proof is on you mate, (post the girls' profile) pics or it didn't happen.

I'd give the benefit of doubt to you simply because you had the chances to see their faces.

>>15496348

>Cancer

Yeah, I know and I just discovered it yesterday. I did a much more accurate translation to compare to theirs but the employer complained that I was too slow compared to other translators (1 and a half week instead of 2 days).

I need to do better next time.

I wish I could just leak the files here and let anon judge by themselves, but that's punishable by law.

>>15496321

I've said this in another thread, but it bears repeating.

徹底的にやる気のない奴は最初から辞めたら良かった

マジやかましいね、アンタみたいな人は

>Phone fucks up

>Lost my anki progress for a week thanks to sync

>No access to PCs though

>Go like that for around 3 months

>Finally be able to go back to anki

>Have to literally re-study everything since I was about 1100+ cards in

How should I go about this? Should I re-study those 1000 as soon as possible without any new cards? Also, any practical ways to study japanese? Like,where can I read yotsuba?

>>15498384

Welp, I found this, niggers: https://bilingualmanga.com/

>It takes just one click to translate the mangas instantly

>You can copy the kanji so you get to translate it or see what it means from something like raikachan

If there isn't any downside to it, it should be added to the resources section

>>15498384

If you feel comfortable with them do them 300 a day and try to "stagger them". For example if you hit "good" and the next time you see them is in 4 days, when that day comes, stagger the answers to that they're a mix of 1,2 and 3, this will stop you from having 300+ cards occuring at the same time.

>>15498496

Only downside is that it doesn't explain how it translates, doesn't cover the grammar or anything.

>>15498593

>Only downside is that it doesn't explain how it translates, doesn't cover the grammar or anything.

I hear this a lot but I think you are missing the point entirely.

Read the manga the same way you would read any raw for practice. Look up words, make anki cards, use your grammar dictionary, do whatever you do. Then, once you think you understand whatever the manga is saying, flip to the English translation.

Compare the English translation to what you thought it was when you were reading and doing all the associated work, if you are right, pat yourself on the back. If you were wrong, try to figure out what it was you misunderstood, do more lookups and whatever else you need until you figure out how to make it right. Sometimes the translation might be wrong, but if you can figure out why that is it's just as good.

The benefit is twofold. One, you know you aren't studying wrong. If you never reference an English translation you can get completely the wrong idea about a given word or phrase and carry that forward, which is really bad for you in the long run. Second, you have stronger context with no wrong assumptions when you move on to the next page

>>15498384

That sucks. I've been in a similar boat. Was your database corrupted, or did you restore an outdated backup that was then synced and shouldn't have been? Assuming you're using the same deck, and there's no way but to start over, then the fastest way will be to add the 1100 cards that you knew, and start hammering the Easy button. It might be good to stagger them, like >>15498593 said. If it's the same deck, then they'll be added in the same order, so it will be the same cards that you had. Once they start getting roughly within the review time range that they had before, start answering them truthfully. With the way Anki works, the times will eventually fine tune themselves, and correctly stabilize to what's right for you.

>>15498496

That's cool. I'm gonna give it a shot.

>>15498593

>doesn't cover the grammar or anything

Pretty sure you'd need to study grammar parallel to reading the manga. From what I've been reading so far I make my own interpretation of the text and then translate to see what did I get right or wrong or if the english text in the page is right based on my own grammar and vocab knowledge.

I just think it's pretty practical since you're going to read by yourself, just the fact that you can highlight kanji to google search it or paste it in Jisho or something is really useful.

>>15498660

I did restore it from an outdated backup. But at least I'm still 1000 in. I will go in truthfully, then. 250 and counting.

>>15498695

The real drawback I can see is just the quantity of material they have. It seems lots of mangas only have one or only a few volumes on there. Good while it lasts even if only for the selectable (and not low-resolution scanned) text.

>>15498704

From what I see, that's because they prompt you to buy the original or something. Doesn't mean the content is behind a pay wall per se, but still pretty shitty and stupid.

>>15498496

Whether they use fan or professional translations, a lot of them can't really be relied on for accuracy. It's not like they can't be of help, but conversely they can lead you astray, misinforming you just as well. If there's something you don't understand, I'd say you're generally much better off just asking someone knowledgeable rather than rely on translations which will be liberally worded, lose a lot of detail naturally through the process, and are subject to error. Less convenient in exchange for the potential to be much more informative. Not to say that you won't get some bad answers asking around for language help too. Anyway, I feel like if you're good enough to recognize the translation errors and such that could be messing you up, you're knowledgeable enough that you shouldn't be relying on translations.

>>15498997

You can't get help on every single sentence. Sure by the time you are at a point where you are getting stuck on maybe one thing per day you can rely on some sort of forum for help, but when you are just starting out you need that little button to reveal english translation just to keep you generally on track.

>>15499794

I thought about putting a raw and translation side by side just to guess which grammar point matches with what part of the English sentence, but it felt like cheating.

>>15499794

You shouldn't need help on every single sentence if you're properly referencing resources in an attempt to learn. Either way, you'll do fine without referencing a translation even if you don't often ask for help. You might not fully get something the first couple times you see it, but it will click eventually when you've seen it in action enough. This can be the case even with supplementary explanation.

>>15499977

You do that, but only after you've exhausted everything you can without the translation. If you aren't at the "check your work step" it IS cheating.

kansaiben is for gays

Learn the high IQ languages. It is much better learning than inbred tongue raping beanspeak.

>>15509464

>Learn the high IQ languages.

That's what this thread is all about

>>15506578

>degimazen :DDDD

>>15509464

We are. The highest IQ countries are Singapore, South Korea, Japan, Italy, and China, in that order.

>Singapore mostly speaks English and Malay, and we already know English.

>South Korea consists entirely of Samsung, Hyundai, and a pop culture that's soulless compared to Japan's.

>We're already learning Japanese.

>Italy is fucked via EU, but is an important cultural center.

>China is cancer, but may present jobs. (Which may also be cancer.)

Maybe after saving video games and anime, we should save Italy.

>>15511400

And remember that China cheats to get that placing in the first place.

>>15511400

>Italy

Are you sure? I'm Italian and my communist grandfather says otherwise.

>>15515329

I think it's common sense that Italy would be above average. They were the center point and driving force behind western civilization's development on more than one occasion. How many others can say that?

>spend 50 - 70 minutes a day doing anki

>only around 200 cards per day

>decide that I will stop listening to the fucking example sentence audio and move on to the next card as soon as I am done with the current one

<daily time is cut in half to around 35 minutes per session

Makes me think I was doing something wrong this whole time.

>>15519262

It's supposed to be not as bad as Typhoon 21 so yeah

Doing anki grammar and getting suffixes/etc… that mean stuff like; "verb long form non-past affirmative conjugation ending"

How do I remember all this?

>>15515575

I was cutting past the audio too for a week and I got a B- on my quiz but when I started listening I scored an A this week. Much better retention and learned the hirigana much faster (I just started)

>>15511400

There are no jobs in china.

>>15525307

ignore them and learn grammar from a grammar guide. You won't use them correctly if you only learn them as vocab anyway.

How many vocab words before I should start reading? A thousand?

>>15528805

>How many vocab words before I should start reading

as many as it takes for you to actually understand sentences.

>>15528805

There isn't really a number to suggest. Even knowing several thousand of the most common words, you'll have to look shit up a lot. You need to have a decent grasp of grammar too, so you can make any sense of sentences and be able to pick out individual words at all, and then you'll probably want decent understanding of kanji for looking up words easily. You can try reading something, and if you can't understand anything in it, try to find something easier. If you can't find anything you understand, it's probably too early to try. Depending on your studying amount, it will probably be several months at least for decent comprehension of easy material. It's a bit of a slow burn that picks up speed once you're over the initial hump. It certainly helps with motivation to find material you like and can (mostly) understand, so you aren't just strictly studying all the time.

>>15529217

At my current pace I have myself get to 1000 words by the end of the year. I have attempted to read yotsubato. I had a hard time reading the first page.

>>15532413

No matter what you're going to have a hard time reading at first. In addition to vocabulary and the like, you need to build up reading experience too. You need to get used to stuff like parsing Japanese sentences, and reading between the words in a new, more context-dependent language. Don't let that inevitable initial difficulty discourage you too much.

>tfw these threads help me more than going to japanese language school in japan

fucking hell some of these schools are a complete joke

if any of you faggots want an easy visa just apply. these fucking schools are a visa scam.

>>15535844

>he cant woo some nippon virgin into marriage

laffing right now

>>15528805

read now

never prepare to read, just read, even if you suck at it

Do you guys actually like studying Japanese? I love it now. People said it would get harder but I believe it’s getting easier since I can use it and think in it more (nowhere near fluency, but still)

>>15528805

The important thing is grammatical knowledge. As long as you have solid grammatical knowledge, you can look up any words and understand everything. Without it, you can know all the words and yet understand nothing.

never go to japan

it's just whatever country you live in except with japanese people

>>15539218

I don't know who would ever think it would get harder than the beginning. The beginning is always the hardest part in learning a language because you end up aimless because you need to know everything. Once you have enough to use it for basic shit, you can slowly feed yourself and expand more naturally. It's great.

>>15539455

So, it's better?

The biggest problem I have in learning this language is that I tend to translate everything into fucking ENGLISH. It's not only time consuming but counter productive, because I want to be able to get to the point where I can hear words and automatically and intuitively understand them without having to think about their English counterparts. How can one facilitate this process? Is it something that develops on its own naturally, or is there something more that can be done, aside from grinding the fuck out of vocab and listening to native Japanese?

There's nothing more frustrating than hearing or seeing a sentence and knowing a number of individual words but being unable to grasp the overall message that is being communicated.

外国語を習うのが

難しいな

駄目です

>>15540578

Use the language every day. Read it, listen to it, if possible write/type and speak it too. Eventually you'll get to the point you start thinking in it.

>>15540578

Using a Japanese dictionary instead of J>E, or even in combination with, when looking up words might help you cut back on that a little bit and should give you a better understanding of vocabulary initially. Most if not all J>E dictionaries seem to only contain possible translations, not definitions, so I don't think it's much surprise that that's where your brain would go until you've got some proper experience with the word. I do think it should generally come naturally with experience, but it shouldn't hurt to try making an active effort to not translate things in your head when you can.

You can always ask for help here when you can't seem to figure out sentences for whatever reason. It would be nice if the thread were a little more lively. Not too many people seem to ask questions about specific things like that here from what I've seen.

>>15540578

That's just how learning a language works. You start off actively translating everything to your native language and the more proficient you become the less you will have to go through your native language. It's a gradual transition that you only notice in hindsight.

That's what it was like learning Spanish at least.

Found a site that translates English slang to nip.

https://eigo-net-slang-jiten.blogspot.com/

Useless for learning, but it's fun to read.

Requesting that image about chinks and steel

>I swear I already saved it

>I can't find it anywhere

>>15539455

So will Pajeets find designated shitting streets in there?

「脱糞専用道路」

「男性インド人用」

まぎらわしい

>>15544461

>translating cuckchan and plebbit maymays

I swear those Japs need to go back to 2ch.

>>15545054

Go ask for it on the GamerGate or Anti-China threads, they'll be happy to post the picture the-

>that greentexting method

You are not welcome here.

is there a version of Yotsuba somewhere that has something like one page with the original Japanese, followed by the same page but translated into English as literally as possible?

I feel like that would be a good tool for me specifically

>>15545673

Read the thread nigger >>15498496 . Can't say how good the translation is, but it's more convenient than using two different sources together I guess.

>>15544461

>vidya

>ヴィドゥヤ

WTF

Why the fk do we have 3 fucking Japanese threads now?

one on /vg/

one on /v/

one on /a/

Why split the Japanese learners among several threads?

はじめまして。ぼう は アノンです。I started taking formal Japanese classes at Uni about a month ago. I plan on continuing after this semester and taking it as far as I can, especially since I've been enjoying the challenge of learning a new language. I'm posting here for a couple reasons. The first is to ask about anyone else experience with formal Japanese education, and possibly how it stacks up gi some of the online resources. The second thing I wanted to ask is wether or not playing a few games in Japanese over the break would be a good way to keep my skills sharp, or if I should try something else/take it a step further. よろしく おねがいします。

>>15549041

No personal experience, but most opinions I've seen of uni language classes are negative. By and large people I've seen giving especially positive reviews are from people who seem to still be in the Jap 101 beginner stage so it's hard to trust what they might say. Most common complaint I've seen is probably classes tailored around trying to ensure the lowest common denominator can keep up and thus being excessively slow-paced. Not an issue you have with self-study obviously. Can't say I see much benefit in a group class like that compared to informed self-study. I don't know when you break, but if it's quite soon you'll definitely have a hard time playing games with only a month's worth of classes. Give it a try, but you might consider trying out some of the resources in the guide in the OP instead if it doesn't go well. I'd recommend doing so regardless.

>>15548875

There's some more on other boards too. People browse their preferred board/s.

>>15548875

Not everyone comes to this board, just like not everyone goes to the other boards with nip threads.

>>15549041

>ぼうは

Did you mean 僕は?

At the end of the semester you probably won't know much still unless your class actually moves fast unlike most I've heard about. You may not be able to play nip games very easily unless you're really familiar with it already, and then you wouldn't be using the language so much as just going from memory of another language. It could be fun for sure, but you may want to pick up the pace with some independent learning too if you really want to learn quickly. Plus you'll have the benefit of not having to worry about grades and you'll be well prepared for your next class.

>>15548875

I avoid /vg/ and /a/ like the plague. Bunch of sanctimonious niggers who can't learn Japanese unlike us.

>>15548875

/v/ has the best thread by far. the others are just mimicry, which is fine.

>>15549041

>>15550295

I am in the same boat as him. Started classes last month but I have a great professor. He advises a few clubs for us so we can get large conference rooms to practice and chill out twice a week. The third year students are conversationally fluent. They communicate only in japanese. Really inspirational. A big part of our program is the mandatory internship though, which obviously we choose to spend abroad.

>>15550518

kek, narcissistic and delusional, but maybe im stupid and its just sarcastic.

anyway I have seen many rage against people that are westerners and learn Japanese, the likes of 'any westerner that learns japan should kill themselves' and more hate, I think its envy and jealousy of how japan can attract so many people

>>15551010

Pretty much. Consider that Japan is pretty much the only nation that has a noticeable media culture impact on the world as a whole besides America, and you can see why the (((people))) who control Hollywood and the like would have a vested interest in trying to damage or destroy that influence.

>>15546938

neat

I missed that

>>15550295

I'd actually say that the class is moving pretty fast paced. They're certainly not slowing down for those who cant up, as many people have dropped it already. Even before classes began my friend warned me that most people domt get through to the second semester. So far weve learned all the Hiragana and Katakana, learned a Tiny bit of Kanji, have spent a good amount of time doing conversational practise in class, been tested on listening comprehension a few times, learned about conjugation, and other miscellaneous things like how you would converse with shopkeepers or ask passerbys where something is. It's not explicitly asked, but you need to spend a decent amount of time studying on your own to keep up. It could only really be considered slow if I wasnt also taking 4 other courses at the same time.

>>15550507

I probably did mean that, but I still dont know much if any kanji, so I did my best. Anywho we get a week off in November and the semester breaks about half way through December. I'll see where I'm at with the November break and go from there. I was thinking I'd do Pokemon Crystal some I've seen it recommended as it's mostly Kana, and then just look up any words I dont know the meanings of. It could help me learn more, but it would also be kinda tedious if I had to stop constantly. Thanks for the feedback, I'll think more about it when the break gets closer.

>>15550659

Ah that's pretty cool. I dont think my school has anything like that. I've tried to connect myself with some 3rd and 4th years who've been learning Japanese, but I dont see them that often. Hopefully I'll have more chances to make those connections as the class goes on, and for now ill just hammer away at self study.

>>15550507

Ah wait I just realized what you were correcting me on. It was meant to read ぼくは not ぼうは. So yeah 僕 is better, but I'm kinda trying to avoid using characters I cant write by hand. But hey, I'll try practising that one now, since its an important one

>>15551038

I think you might be a little biased, as far as the entire world goes the biggest nations are going to have the most influential culture sheerly because they have so many citizens of their own. But inflicting culture on other people, yeah, you have a good point there.

Are the example sentences in Tae Kim supposesd to look broken when translated? Reached the point where I mentally translate them in my head before scrolling down.

>ボブは、いつも勉強する人だ。

<Bob is a studious person.

>Bob is a person who always studies.

I fear that I may be "localizing" on instinct and I don't know if that's a good thing.

>>15561760

They're meant to be by and large literal so as to provide the full, intended meaning in an accurate fashion. If you want a good sounding translation then you've got to start removing, adding, and moving some things around in the sentence. However, if you want to convey the make-up of the Japanese sentence to the learner, then literal is generally the way to go because there's less lost in translation that way. Your long term goal should be no translation, just plain comprehension. Try not to get too far from the proper meaning in the meantime, I guess.

>>15562059

Can't say I'm all that good at the "outside looking in" thing because autism, but I can try. So long as I don't mentally pull off any Treehouse tier bullshit.

>>15561760

They're meant to demonstrate the grammatical equivalence that the lesson is teaching; replacing a direct English translation with a similar one that's equally grammatically correct because its more like how an English speaker would phrase it can only obscure the grammatical relationship.

In this case, the point is to demonstrate the relationship between English relative clauses and Japanese attributive-verb clauses, that is, to connect the ways that both languages modify the meaning of nouns using embedded clauses. Changing the English to an adjective with an equivalent meaning would not demonstrate the point of the lesson, because "studious" is not an embedded clause like both "who always studies" and 「いつも勉強する」 are.

Strictly speaking, the example sentence doesn't have to sound natural or even make sense in either language as long as they are both strictly grammatically correct in a narrow sense and illustrate the point.

>>15562411

一杯中出しして孕ませてやろうぜ。

>>15561411

Fantastic accomplishment in that short time frame.

>>15575962

Some language courses also teach cultural shit or introduce specific rituals to push vocabulary that might not normally be used.

>>15575806

>Who cares, mistake #1 is that as an expat you will NEVER make decent pay in any industry.

In that case it sounds like he's still employed by an American company though.

>倦

>bottom shows as 已 on my mincho, gothic, and handwritten fonts

>shows as 卩 on my stroke order font and when I look up the stroke order online

There have been minor differences before but this is the biggest I've seen so far.

>>15581928

卷 is the old form of 巻 (note the difference at the top as well by the way) but 倦 gets to stay that way in fonts for the most part with some actually phasing from 巻 to 卷. I'm not sure how it's typically handwritten though.

Does anyone have Japanese srt/ass subtitles for One Punch Man? I can only find image based subtitles.

I'm about to use a shitty OCR on said image subs that can't tell the difference between 亡 and て or か and 力` and manually correct it if not.

I wasn't really that bothered about learning Japanese before, but that fucking City Shrouded in Shadow game looks so cool.

>doing the Core 2k/6k deck

>今朝 shows up

>oh, obviously that means "every morning", pronounced いまあさ

>it's pronounced けさ but I got the meaning right

So does it still count or not, assuming I'm not being too autistic about this?

>>15592623

>oh, obviously that means "every morning"

You got that wrong too, so no it doesn't count. As for the question of getting meaning but not pronunciation, or vice versa, it's all up to you how you count it. You're teaching yourself after all.

>>15592722

Damn it, I'm getting one too many brain lapses lately. I definitely meant to say "this morning".

I'm going to japan for a week in jan 2019. I am almost finished learning all the katakana. How much do I need to know to at least be able to order food from restaraunts properly and to buy and ask for products at vidya game and anime stores?

>>15595617

Maybe you mean all the "kana" meaning hiragana too, not just katakana? Either way both won't get you far. If it is about food perhaps start learning food related kanji so you maybe can understand menus better.

kana invaders got taken down or paywalled. anyone got something similar? want to do it for hirigana or katakana especially since anki wont show me old cards

>マンション

>clearly says mansion

>means "apartment (block)"

This language is fucking with me.

>>15595617

Im 100% sure you can do that without any japanese skill.

>>15595661

Its way too early for kanji if he doesnt know basic grammar.

>>15596031

manshons are public housing units.

>>15592623

every morning is maiasa

>>15596036

>>15596045

It gets worse (well, not really)

>大会

>read it as "great meeting" or something similar

>turns out to be "mass meeting" or "tournament". Close enough…

>…only for the example sentence to have fuck all to do with meetings and instead refers to fireworks, joining with another jukujo to make 花火大会, a completely different word.

And here I was thinking kanji would be the death of me.

>>15596031

>cannot into etymology

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/マンション

was that so hard?

>>15596078

Just making an observation. I get it now. Still won't stop me from wondering how this means that. From the looks of things I haven't scratched the surface of this deck so I'll likely run into more of this in the coming months.

>>15596036

>Its way too early for kanji if he doesnt know basic grammar.

Bull fucking shit.

Also he just needs to be able to read a menu, not speak fluently.

>>15596158

how is he going to read a menu?

good luck remembering even 20 kanji if you only barely associate them with food

>>15596031

That´s what you call a "false friend" in language terms.

>>15596258

It's called a false cognate. And no, it is not a false cognate. It is just an inspired meaning.

>>15596258

A) unless you're a kindergartener it's called a cognate

B) cognates are words derived from the same source; false cognates are unrelated words that appear similar, so not only are they not "false friends", they are the exact opposite, they are cognates

>>15596385

False friends are just words which seem to have the same meaning at first but actually don´t. So yeah, they are false friends. But if you want to use more specific terms with a more specific meaning you can do that, too.

>>15596410

>But if you want to

I want to yell on the internet!

>>15596426

Isn´t that just a regular na-adjective? Aside from the fact that it ends on い.

>>15596526

>I want to yell on the internet!

Of course you can do that as well.

>>15596426

There's absolutely nothing irregular about it…

>>15596325

Actually, no. The meanings of words naturally drift over time(ex: man used to mean "human" while "were" meant man. Now man means "were" and "were" is obsolete except for in words like werewolf), but if it comes from the same root, then it's a true cognate even if the meanings have drifted apart. For instance, English knight and German/Dutch knecht are true cognates even though knecht means servant instead of knight in German and Dutch, because both are derived from Proto-Germanic *knehtaz. The actual word that means "knight" in German is ritter (Dutch ridder), which is a cognate of "rider", even though the meaning is "knight', because they're both derived from Proto-Germanic *rīdaną.

A true false cognate is a word that looks the same but has a completely different root. Like Spanish dios and Greek θεός theós, which both mean god, but have completely different etymology. Theós is derived from PIE *dʰéh₁s, while dios is derived from PIE *deywós. The actual cognate of Greek theós in Spanish is not dios, but fiesta, because it is ultimately also

derived from *dʰéh₁s.

>>15598790

Thats why I said its not a false cognate.

>>15602437

Read a grammar guide for fucks sake. からcan mean many different things depending on the grammatical context it´s used. Sometimes it means "from" or "of", other times it is used to indicate a reason. And if it is used in combination with the te form of a verb then it means doing something before doing something else.

>>15602848

Never get unfunny, The Onion.

>>15601217

"false friend" is a more informal term, and a lot of the time, so-called "false friends" are actually true cognates. As in my example of ridder / rider and knecht/ knight. They are true cognates, but also "false friends", because knecht actually means servant and ridder actually means knight instead of rider, but the fact that they originally developed from the same words makes them cognates.

https://www.scribd.com/document/144277757/False-Friend

learning japanese is pathetic, it’s not like any of you actually read the dialog in games anyway. the only thing that matters is gameplay

>>15603563

Don't be a sour grapes faggot anon, you too can do it, don't give up.

>>15602437

most of it's meanings can be translated as "from ((the fact) that)", and as a clause final particle indicates that the clause expresses a cause or reason ("because…")

read a grammar guide stupid

>>15603536

fuck yeah

>>15614398

First three are all you need to know. The bottom row is nanori, which are readings used for names.

>>15614398

The third line looks like nanori (readings only used in names) which is irrelevant at your level. Though you should be using a vocab deck as that will actually teach you about how and when each reading is used.

About to do my flashcards for today. It's going to be fun.

>>15614446

>>15614443

Thanks for the explanation. I'm rereading the guides in the OP, I guess I'll skip learning Kanji individually and focus on vocab to pick it up that way.

>>15614915

>>15614457

>>15598659

>>15592623

>>15614446

>Anki

Why do you fags do this to yourselves? It's the surest and fastest way to get burned out. Just pick up a book and and a grammar reference and start reading. Start out easy and gradually read tougher books. Vocabulary and grammar will naturally progress as you make your way to adult-level books.

>b-but i have to import jap books

https://djt.netlify.com/

>>15615429

Nope. You'll pretty much learn to talk like a retard, a punk, or both. At best you'll sound like a 5 year old who watches too much anime.

>>15616120

>You'll pretty much learn to talk like a retard, a punk, or both

Only if you're a mouth breathing retard. This is a common misconception among English only speakers. Do this thought experiment for a second: if you're watching a French biopic about Louie the XIV, would you assume the average French person also talks like that? If you do, please remove yourself from the gene pool. Tons of people in foreign countries learn English through movies and TV. I moved to the United States as a very young child and learned the language through Looney Tunes, Seasame Street, and other shows like that.

>At best you'll sound like a 5 year old who watches too much anime.

Even as a child (we're talking 3-4 years old here), I knew damn well that nobody talked like Bugs Bunny or the Count from Seasame Street in real life. Even if what you're saying were true, there's a metric fuckton of anime characters that speak in what would be considered standard, polite Japanese. Not every character is a shonen anime protagonist.

>>15603563

Actually, I don't even care about playing video games and the rest of it. I wanted to learn a language because I'd look good on my resume, and it just happens to be that the place I frequent has a thread wit a lot of great resources.

>>15616320

1. You never know how to read a name for sure unless the author/person tells you how the fucking name is supposed to be read. Usually, in manga this is done with furigana when the character is first introduced.

2. The author's a retard and used the wrong kanji. It happens sometimes.

>>15616654

Yes, more precisely, "Thank you for coming to play today, too [implies they've done it before].

>>15616691

Oh, the も particle. I was confident with this one before I actually know (almost) all of the words this time. Still feel like a long way from attempting to make sense of a news article.

Oh, and thanks.

>>15616320

There's a lot of common names and readings that you'll come to recognize with experience, but yeah, Japanese names can just up and use any pronunciation with any of the Jouyou + Jinmeiyou kanji if they want to. There's a term for those sorts of wacky names, but I can't recall it. It's not too uncommon to see the use of different kanji in a word for a number of reasons, such as to give a word a different nuance. Sometimes it can be just for no good reason. Some are more standardized in their different kanji usages. Some are more on the fly which you'll mostly see in manga, slang and the like. Informal settings. In the first chapter you can see it defines コミュ障 as being 人付き合いを苦手とする症状. It kind of emphasizes 症状 using it again thereafter. 症's meaning as a character is more closely tied to illness than 障, that could be part of it as well. It's a deliberate choice to use it anyway. I recommend you mostly try not translating as a beginner; focus on simply reading and trying to understand.

>>15616113

Anki is insanely useful for vocabulary. I don't know how you would learn a lot of words effectively without flashcards of some kind. What is even a viable alternative? Once you have some experience it's easier to pick up words naturally, but getting to that point is a lot of work. Now for things like grammar I'd say books are more enjoyable to me.

>>15618679

It's a very old program, it probably expects something like java 7 on windows 7 or something like that.

It worked for me without transparency support on linux.

>>15615429

You wouldn't really know any grammar, the writing system, or words aside from a few things you can guess from context, so I'd say no.

>>15615429

You'd be learning similar to how a baby learns how to speak and even children have to go to school to learn proper grammar, writing, etc.

>>15627254

>waste time with mnemonics

>waste time

They're not a waste of time.

>I really just want a dictionary

jisho.org

>>15627649

>cooking classes and calligraphy classes and just general get-togethers all the time

That sounds like I'd have to go outside. Who would want that?

>>15627649

>See if there is a "Japanese Society" in a city near you (I lived in 3 cities in the US and they all had something like it) and make friends with the nips and nip enthusiasts.

Wow, there really is one around here. I didn't think there were more than a hundred or so Japs in this entire state.

>Full and part-time job listings nearby.

I could use another part-time job. Would it be stupid to pursue one for language benefits even though I'm nowhere near fluent? Also, why do almost none of these businesses have any web presence, let alone in English? Are they that fresh off the boat?

Does anyone have pdfs or something of the official JLPT test books? Currently I would like N3 and 2 the most, but collecting them all would be good.

>>15615429

No, you can really only learn from anime after you're already advanced/ intermediate.

>>15628274

Go to Jisho.org. You can search for kanji by their JLPT rank which is very nice.

>>15627254

If you have an android use kanji study it costs like 7$ but is essentially just a dictionary. It also has quiz tools and lets you practice drawing. Though it is with your finger unless you have a stylus for your phone.

>>15628274

That will be only partially useful since the physical books come with CDs for 聴解 tests. Buy them if you can, it's 6 bucks each.

>>15627649

Language classes don't mean shit if you don't practice regularly on your own, true.

It took me 5 years to be able to hold a conversation without relying on a dictionary, so keep going!

>>15616654

>グズニート

Slap that bitch right on the cheeks.

>>15630282

You can be find unlocked paid versions of it online. Though the dictionary is maybe really the best or at least up there, I prefer Obenkyo for studying. Mostly because when it comes to writing it is basically like using paint, but because of that the detection is more jerkier. Kanji Study has this attachment of the lines that basically writes the kanji for you.

>>15630510

I like Kanji Study, been using it daily for a few months now. The writing tests really are not great though. Sometimes I make a stroke that should be just fine and it counts it wrong and other times I write really sloppy and it just fills it in all nice and neat. Other than that though it's a pretty nice resource.

>>15630916

Yeah the stroke detection is pretty crap. However it's good practice to just turn it off and trace when you are first learning new kanji.

I actually managed to hammer a few Kanji into my sub70 iq brain, can't believe it's working.

How do I deal with the unknown Kanji I encounter in the Anki Core 2k deck? For example, when the focus is on a certain word, others in the card are also written in Kanji, and I could technically ignore them. But should I?

Or should I just pick all Kanji up that get thrown at me? Wondering what's faster overall.

>>15633178

Wew, what a post.

The deck is called "Japanese Core 2000 Step 01 Listening Sentence Vocab + Images", although I have to say the images are utterly useless 90% of the time and don't even transmit the relevant information clearly, or at all. The audio is really good though.

I'm completely new to Anki and just discovered that there's options. Should I change the default values?

It says I did 63 cards today. Not sure where to check my overall, but this is just my 2nd day since beginning.

Thanks for writing up everything you did, it's very concise and down-to-earth, just the way I like it. You seem to be very good at this.

Going to bed for now, getting that prescription of sleep.

>>15615429

Only without subtitles.

do I really need Remembering the kanji? ive been doing fine so far without it. My friend is studying for the N2 and doesnt use it and he's making good progress.

>>15634672

If you're doing fine without it, why feel compelled to use it? If you have trouble with kanji, then some extra effort towards that front can be good, though there's no reason to go RTK specifically if you don't want to. There's plenty of other good methods and sources for kanji study.

>>15634672

Where did you get the idea that you have to use it at all? There are tons of different isolated kanji study resources out there, not just one.

>>15633283

You'll want to adjust the new cards amount to something you can handle at least. People tend to set it at 10-20 new a day. It's easy at first since everything is new, but once you start getting a lot of reviews you don't want to have to deal with 40 new words on top of that unless you can actually remember that many a day and have the time.

>>15633283

>The deck is called "Japanese Core 2000 Step 01 Listening Sentence Vocab + Images"

That's the same deck that I started with. You'll eventually need the following Steps as well. There are 1000 cards in Step 01, but not 1000 words, because there are 4 cards dedicated to each word. Each word is given cards where it's written by itself, written in a sentence, spoken by itself, and spoken in a sentence. Therefore, there are 250 words in that deck, and if you're doing 20 cards per day, you're learning 5 words per day. The rest of the words are in the following Steps.

There are decks that say Optimized, which are set up so that there's only one card per word, with the sentence on the front, and all other information and audio on the back. I'm currently using such a deck, and it's "faster," but I wouldn't necessarily recommend it. It seems that having to identify the word in the various contexts yields much more effective retention than only having to recall it in sentences. Plus, I have far better listening comprehension of the words that I learned from the deck you're currently using.

By the way, don't underestimate mnemonics. They're extremely powerful for this kind of memorization. And don't forget that you can edit the cards you're working with. I tend to add my mnemonics to the backs of my cards.

>although I have to say the images are utterly useless 90% of the time and don't even transmit the relevant information clearly, or at all.

Be that as it may, having any visual element is usually better than having none, since you can more easily commit it to memory. If you really hate an image, you can always replace it.

>I'm completely new to Anki and just discovered that there's options. Should I change the default values?

In my opinion, yes. If I recall correctly, the default is 20 new cards per day. There's no way of knowing for sure what you'll need, which is why I said to start small and try to build. It's easy to get frustrated and quit early on because you feel like you're overwhelmed. What >>15635401 says is true. The longer you go, and the more new cards per day you do, the more reviews will pile up per day, which can get unmanageable and really demotivating, which is a precursor to burnout. I would suggest starting lower than 10 and then climbing past it, but that's only my preference. If you're a person who lacks reliability or discipline, doing that should help a lot early on. Some people do just fine jumping right in at higher numbers.

>It says I did 63 cards today. Not sure where to check my overall, but this is just my 2nd day since beginning.

At the top right corner of Anki, there's a little button that's a tiny bar graph with three bars, which is the Show Statistics button. At the bottom of the statistics menu it brings up, you can select whether it gives you information about the currently selected deck, or your entire collection of decks. You can also change the timeframe of the statistics it gives you, or have it save an image of the graphs to your desktop, which you could then upload here or elsewhere.

Next to the Statistics button is the Sync button, which looks like a Refresh button with two circular arrows. If you haven't already, get an AnkiWeb account immediately, put the account information into Anki, and sync your progress every single day. Without it, if your database corrupts, or you lose your harddrive, phone, or whatever device you do it on, you're fucked. I've narrowly survived the brink of disaster several times now because of it. I also occasionally make manual backups of the database files now, just in case. If you have a smartphone, I would also strongly recommend getting AnkiDroid and syncing your AnkiWeb account to it. That way, you can do it during commutes, or cooking, or whenever you have to wait on anything. That way, progress is more integrated into your daily life, and you don't have to schedule as much time around doing it.

>>15633705

You mean only with Jap subs.

Those are great, but it's difficult to find them for most shows.

>>15638128

http://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles%2Fjapanese%2F

>>15638158

Yea, that's where I get mine.

Maybe some of the shows that I tried to find subs for were too obscure, who knows.

But anyone interested in learning while watching animus should check that link out.

>>15633178

Start small? I always did think 20 new words per day was a bit much. To me anyway. So there's no shame in knocking that down to 15 or even 10 new words a day? Using the Core 2k/6k Optimized Japanese Vocabulary deck in tandem with learning grammar.

>>15638574

>>15638574

10 per day is just lazy, to be honest. your goal here is fluency

>>15638685

Now, now. You will trigger the slowpokes.

>>15638685

>>15638739

I consider 10 per week an achievement.

Then again, it's no wonder it has taken me about 6 years to get even remotely decent.

>>15638685

Not if you have a shit schedule and/or don't have that much free time in the first place. Also, the point of starting small isn't to stay small. It's to not burn yourself out early on before you even know what your limits are. If you can climb to reliably doing a fuckton per day, and have the free time to dedicate to it, then do it.

>>15638765

if it takes you that long, chances are that you are an underachiever NEET. you could probably save yourself time and effort, and actually make career progress, if you took the minimal effort needed to woo some desperate nippon girl into a marriage visa sham. of course to her its not a sham. then work in a store with other immigrants (usually pakis or whitu gaijin) and make real progress on your japanese.

one thing to realize though is there is NOTHING more pathetic than the gaijin who OVERTLY mention being gaijin or "always being a foreigner" "never be japanese" I swear to God I hear this every other time I meet another guy studing japanese and I instantly know you have no life beyond this. you aren't going to become fluent if your only interest is the cartoons.

>>15638778

burn out is just your mind telling you to quit before you waste time quitting later.

>>15615429

Yes. You'd have to do a fuckton of it (especially if it's 100% from anime), but it would technically eventually work if you didn't use English subs/dubs.

It's better to watch/listen to anime (or do anything else in Japanese really) with some knowledge of basic grammar shit so you can actually pick stuff up. If you want to read at all and you're only doing anime, jap subs are just about the only way you'd get that.

>animebytes is open for registration

>not autistic enough to want to go through private tracker bullshit

>not retarded enough to turn off my VPN

Is it worth it? I've been able to find just about everything I needed elsewhere.

>>15642389

>that plan

No offence mate, but that sounds like a terrible future to endure just to git gud at moonrunes a bit faster when better alternatives exist.

You're right about me being a lazy underachiever, but I am working to remedy that.

>>15643032

The registration is simple as fuck. And yes, it is worth it. I don't use it too often, but sometimes it is the only option. Though if you don't care about older and more niche stuff, maybe there is no point.

>>15643083

How would you get around the VPN ban? Sounds like a lot of hassle if you don't have a seedbox.

Do you know how often they open the registration, or is it just whenever they feel like it?

>>15643844

How are devs putting up with this PS4 isn't even that popular in Japan. Just abandon ship and go full switch and PC.

>>15643844

>>15643900

Sounds like Sony got infected by Jews.

They're either going to cuck JP games significantly or go out of business.

Maybe it'll open up the market for more game systems but it'll probably just turn into a duoopoly with Nintendo largely in first place followed by Microcuck. With PC continuing to be ignored/port later status

>>15643844

rip in piss soyny

>>15643954

I hope it just grows the PC market in Japan. It would mean Japanese games would be allowed to have gore and nude breasts in them again. Since CERO has no say on PC releases.

>>15644099

>There is a slim hope in the distant future for a good completely uncensored Berserk game on PC

>>15644191

Yup 2 years after Miura finishes the manga.

>>15638103

I'll stick with the standard deck for now, optimized would probably harm me more than help as a beginner from the sound of it.

>mnemonics

Shit, that's something that requires creativity, which I'm too autistic for. Maybe I'll think of something once in a blue moon.

>Statistics

N E A T

>backups

Good call, I did have the Anki account set up, but I'm gonna make sure to back up manually too now that you mention corruptions.

Unrelated; is there a program that lets me feed it Kanji / vocabulary I mastered and have it spit out example sentences using the input so I could further practice reading to really hammer the knowledge in?

>>15643083

>>15643091

>>15643032

>seeding to pirate

Are there any other tests like the JLPT worth taking?

>>15652805

Because it becomes "nobody" this way.

>>15652805

>も

>too; also; as well; in addition; not either

>誰も = everyone, anyone, no-one

>その話 = that story

>を = object marker

>知らない = to know (negative)

誰も [nobody] その話 [that story] を 知らない [unknown]

"Nobody knows that story" or perhaps, "That story is unknown to everyone"

>Why is it not something like が

I think it's because the sentence is referring to "everybody/nobody" in a general sense, while が marks a specific subject or object to place emphasis on. If you wrote

誰がその話を知らない

It could be read like, "It is nobody that knows that story" as if you're referring to nobody as a specific entity. At least I think so, I could be wrong

I needed a language course and chose nip. I'll probably be summarizing what we do each week to warn other people not to do this.

>>15652848

>>15652852

Okay, I guess I'll get around to learning particles proper sooner rather than later. They seem to have more elaborate usage than I anticipated.

>>15652873

Not to do what? Take a Japanese course? Because wether or not a course is a good idea varies heavily depending on where it's being taught, and who it's being taught by. My prof comes from Tokyo, and we have frequent tests on various Kanji and vocabulary as well as grammar. The Kanji and vocab we're expected to learn on our own time, and the grammar is taught in class along with conversational practice. It's only been two months since I started and I've been able to memorize all Kana, and about 35-40 Kanji. It's been pretty good. Of course, your mileage will vary, but still. I hope it works out for you anon

>>15652852

"That story is unknown to everyone", while logically equivalent, is incorrect because the verb is active voice in the original sentence. Passive would be 知られていない

>>15652852

誰がその話を知らない

Actually translates more like "Who doesn't know that story?"

>>15653413

sounds like　人泣くな

>>15653422

huh, what would the correct translation to that be then? "enough to make a guy cry?" or something like that?

>>15653452

Yeah, maybe.

>>15653461

i think it sounds more like ひとまくが rather than ひとなくな

1) it's impossible to learn this purely from pc (as in without learning how to even WRITE the signs/letters by hand, with pencil, on a sheet of paper), right?

sorry for this garbage post

>>15652962

Particles are an essential part of the language. You have to learn about them to learn Nip.

>>15653667

You can learn to read and understand the language without writing, although learning to write at least a little can help with memorization. I wouldn't consider someone who couldn't write at all to be truly fluent, but it may not matter to you.

>>15653413

What episode is the webm from?

>>15653999

>You can learn to read and understand the language without writing, although learning to write at least a little can help with memorization. I wouldn't consider someone who couldn't write at all to be truly fluent, but it may not matter to you.

ty, thanks very much for the answer. I did think memorization was pretty crucial, but for purposes of learning jap anonymously (as in not being seen as the embarrassing weeb faggot that I'd be) it wouldn't work if people saw you printing learning sheets, or practicing writing at all if you don't live in an environment with 100% privacy. And yeah it's obviously not going to make anyone fluent

>>15657330

I do all my writing practice in MSPaint, just saying. Yeah it probably won't give me the right muscle memory if I have to handwrite shit, but it's probably even better for paying attention to the details, and there's no paper and shit to worry about.

Anyway what I came here for, how does one deal with burnout? The fact is studying has become a chore and a hardship. I keep doing what I am supposed to do, but I lack interest, which makes actually retaining the information very difficult, which in turn makes studying more difficult and less interesting in a vicious cycle. I don't think I can just stop for a while, I'd lose too much and I'm not even sure it would help when (if) I started back.

>>15659272

Not that my nooblet advice matters much, but I learned English almost entirely by playing video games that weren't localized where I live. English classes in school helped me make sense of what I got to hear in the stories, and I had constant motivation for the vocab grind because I needed it to understand what I was already so passionate about.

As a result, I was miles ahead of everyone in my classes just because of the immersion I got from being a nerd.

My point is, get into something that is only available in Japanese. It's more difficult to be deeply invested as an adult, but it can be done. Hell, I'm rewatching decade old anime that I kinda recall the stories of, but without subs, and because I already know the general gist of most sketches, I can piece together what they're saying and laugh at the lowbrow humor.

I might be a walking cliche, but I'm improving.

Is there a good alternative to anki that is has decks for it?

I want to learn japanese with anki but my hatred for dbus and qt5 is stronger.

>>15645296

If you use a good video player you should be able to increase sub-delay

I know on mpv sub-delay keybinds to "z" and "x"

are these uh anki decks proprietary/pirated? Does this mean I can't use that anki online service to sync the program for two devices (for instance tablet+pc)?

Can someone tell me why Anki is randomly trying to connect to me while I'm in the middle of studying? I'm not pressing the sync button, what the fuck is the server trying to accomplish?

>>15664207

I'm pretty sure they're free, I'm using the Core2k deck and syncing works fine.

>>15664207

Anki and Anki decks are free, and so is making an online account for syncing.

>>15666331

>>15666073

ah thanks!

Am i supposed to mark my answer as correct in anki when i visualize the hiragana character instead of the katakana one (when the flashcard I got turns out to show the katakana illustration) and vice versa? This seems fucking terrible why are they even mixed together? I now have immense problems visualizing anything because of the kana mixup, its causes my brain to just halt. I would think this wouldnt be a problem if the decks were separated into hiragana/katakana so that i know which one i need to visualize in my head beforehand. Someone pls explain this to me I dont get it

>>15668416

Sounds like a bad deck. You're right that they shouldn't be mixed together without something to at least distinguish which script it's asking for.

>>15659272

>burnout

Cut back on some of the boring stuff and use the language for something that captures your interest. Doesn't really matter if you drop your new cards in Anki to 0 if you're learning 10+ words a day playing games anyway. You can start a mining deck and put those words in Anki though instead if you want, and that might feel like less of a chore than just doing the core or whatever. If you're already doing a mining deck and that's wearing at you, just be less thorough when adding things to it to lower your workload or take a break from adding altogether while focusing on reviews and plain reading, etc.

>>15668628

It was from the op anons learner package. I was mistaken, the front of the cards does have KANJI characters (which by the anon's guide Im supposed to learn much later) saying which script the card pertains to but there were no instructions in the .txt covering this little detail and obviously I couldnt read it so.. guess I expected a little more handholding