d90a05 No.15415244
Steam admits to doxing developers to ensure they aren't trolls
https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/
http://archive.is/gzKec
>Q: What do you mean, in practice, when you say you won't ship games that are "outright trolling?" That seems vague.?
>A: It is vague and we'll tell you why. You're a denizen of the internet so you know that trolls come in all forms. On Steam, some are simply trying to rile people up with something we call "a game shaped object" (ie: a crudely made piece of software that technically and just barely passes our bar as a functioning video game but isn't what 99.9% of folks would say is "good"). Some trolls are trying to scam folks out of their Steam inventory items, others are looking for a way to generate a small amount of money off Steam through a series of schemes that revolve around how we let developers use Steam keys. Others are just trying to incite and sow discord. Trolls are figuring out new ways to be loathsome as we write this. But the thing these folks have in common is that they aren't actually interested in good faith efforts to make and sell games to you or anyone. When a developer's motives aren't that, they're probably a troll.
<Our review of something that may be "a troll game" is a deep assessment that actually begins with the developer. We investigate who this developer is, what they've done in the past, their behavior on Steam as a developer, as a customer, their banking information, developers they associate with, and more. All of this is done to answer the question "who are we partnering with and why do they want to sell this game?" We get as much context around the creation and creator of the game and then make an assessment. A trend we're seeing is that we often ban these people from Steam altogether instead of cherry-picking through their individual game submissions. In the words of someone here in the office: "it really does seem like bad games are made by bad people."
524115 No.15415260
I figured you already had to give them this kind of information to even get your game on the store in the first place.
e6e5ba No.15415263
Not really a fan of valve, but this isn't doxxing?
Doxxing is making private information public. Or nowadays, literally reposting easily found information about a person.
This is all internal.
You dumb fucking nigger.
b48b9e No.15415272
>Valve looks at the stuff you did while using their service
What a fucking shocker.
d90a05 No.15415273
>>15415260
>>15415263
But they also say "and more" and imply with their investigation that it isn't limited to just their own platform. They have the right to deny publishing your game because you shitposted on twitter with wrongthink
141495 No.15415275
>it really does seem like bad games are made by bad people
This is just asking to be abused considering Valve has a studio full of SJWs inside them on top of the ones that were already there
141495 No.15415285
>>15415272
>while using their service
This is a full on background check that never states anywhere that it was limited to Steam the fuck are you talking about?
524115 No.15415289
>>15415272
I wasn't aware Valve owned facebook and twitter.
b48b9e No.15415297
>>15415273
Good, maybe that means less chucklefucks will post stupid bullshit on Twitter from now on.
b48b9e No.15415304
524115 No.15415307
>>15415299
>quoting an interview is bashing
d90a05 No.15415311
>>15415299
Full disclosure: I had both services, because they're effectively spyware and just want to play VIDEOGAMES.
I absolutely wouldn't trust Discord with my financial or personal information for a moment.
badf1e No.15415313
>>15415263
>reddit can't spell doxing right
d90a05 No.15415314
>>15415311
>had
Hate both services*
Sorry, on my phone
b7f36f No.15415315
>>15415299
>recently
Fellate a shotgun. Both services are trash.
e6e5ba No.15415326
>>15415273
This is standard practice for a lot of companies.
Hell, my last job was exclusively doing this exact kind of shit to our customers, especially since its required by law to do it for (((banking))).
Do you think big businesses just blindly accept money regardless of the source?
>>15415313
yeah the fact that I'm not bashing valve for literally doing nothing wrong in this case clearly means I'm from reddit.
Fuck off fag.
0a20ab No.15415335
>doxing
They're revealing the personal info of devs to the public?
141495 No.15415340
>>15415299
>Steam is trash
>so people will jump to fucking discord of all things
Is this some kind of bad joke?
Also steam has always been shit, and has been consistently shat on since 2015
ff1f8f No.15415346
>>15415273
im sorry joe mcscammer if you banned for making a game and going on twitter going "look how much money i scammed from these fools with my bitcoin miner game XD"
141495 No.15415356
>>15415326
>the fact that I'm not bashing Valve
>when his post was mocking you for misspelling doxing
You are a strange one, redditor. Maybe you should go back. They might accept your defense of this cancer over there.
ff1f8f No.15415372
>>15415364
>it's perfectly fine these days
mostly. i hate the integrated web browser. its still a hot pile of dog shit that ends up bloating the cpu usage for steam massively
c2ea4b No.15415373
Not only this isn't doxing, it's also perfectly standard practice.
b48b9e No.15415376
>>15415364
>piratefags
Post discarded.
7a7421 No.15415386
>>15415364
>wasting your money on immaterial licenses for immaterial lines of code
bf6440 No.15415393
>>15415364
Pirates are mostly underage or Brazilian/Russian who are infamously opinionated while being incredibly low IQ. If you ever see someone speaking out about piracy it's safe to assume they're one of these, they won't disappoint you with their stupidity.
524115 No.15415399
>redditor has both of his favorite spyware insulted
>immediately cries about piracy
b48b9e No.15415410
>>15415405
>dude just vote with your wallet lol
Yup, absolute redditor. Either that or you're as hard of a shitposter as I am. I hope it's the latter.
141495 No.15415430
>>15415364
>DRM platform with censorship, no quality control, shovelware up the ass and SJWs at the helm
>Valve pioneered the worst kind of microtransaction (lootcrate and key), largely helped craft the esports and assfaggots monsters of the industry, and is anti-consumer as fuck
>all the power is under Valve and they can decide if a game lives or dies by it and you're okay with this because you don't want to open more than 1 client ever (just accept our one-world government goy, its way more convenient that way :^) )
And that's not even getting into the fact that they worked with Bethesda to try and implement their paid mods twice
b48b9e No.15415437
>>15415431
Ah, so it is the latter. Good to know.
01061f No.15415439
This reads pretty clearly as:
"We do extensive checks on potential developers to ensure they're not trying to scam money from our customers or us, since that's cheaper and better PR for us if we prevent more bitcoin miner games and low effort unity reskins make it into our storefront."
234116 No.15415450
>>15415275
sounds like valve needs to get doxxed
01fbd8 No.15415457
>>15415244
>business looks up information on the developer they're publishing
Jesus Christ, I don't even like Steam but you are just making yourself look completely retarded. Oh and by the way, doxing usually means you post their information for public eyes, not just look them up yourself and not tell anyone.
bb83e2 No.15415460
>>15415439
this, I hate steam for a number of reasons but this seems to be them trying to fix their reputation for allowing in the library including Origin ripped asset flips.
524115 No.15415463
>>15415439
>and low effort unity reskins make it into our storefront
They'll never do anything about this kind of stuff.
7a7421 No.15415470
>>15415405
If you were offered a six-pack of your favourite beer, you'd turn it down because you want to support the brewery, by purchasing not from the brewery itself, but from a store which takes a cut from the brewery.
b48b9e No.15415476
>>15415469
Come on, mate, give it up. Everybody knows you're just taking the piss.
141495 No.15415480
>>15415476
the last one he posted was way too obvious
b48b9e No.15415490
>>15415483
That's an Aussie term, you retard.
7a7421 No.15415495
>>15415483
>eventually
>implying it isn't shit already
Downvoted.
205f03 No.15415507
>>15415326
No you just mispelled the word, lurk 2 more months
7a7421 No.15415511
>>15415502
>implying 8chan isn't shit
Downvoted. 8chan mold.
7db499 No.15415514
>>15415364
>if you don't like Steam(tm) and don't buy garbage you're a poor non-aryan subhuman, goy
See faggots, this is what happens when you let half-life threads roam freely instead of shitting them down as soon as possible. The valveshitters now think they're welcome here.
6a812b No.15415522
>>15415511
Checked and upvoted, kekerino
7fce49 No.15415528
Background checks aren't doxxing
506e36 No.15415530
>>15415244
That's not doxing.
5697fd No.15415540
Now we can ban all Trump supports off steam. Best to judge guilt by association than the quality of a person's character right now. Nobody changes ever and we must bully people for every small mistake they've done in their life.
141495 No.15415554
>>15415507
>months
>not years
you new?
c450c3 No.15415607
>>15415273
welcome to earth
ALL companies HR already adimited they look
at the tweeter of job applicants that nothing new.
and again this is not doxing since valve will not spread the personal information of said developer on the internet . you fucking nigger
e6e5ba No.15415628
>>15415507
so what you're saying is this, but unironically?
b0e125 No.15415631
>posting faggotry on social media
>being surprised when it bites you in the ass
>complaining about this on an ANONYMOUS image board
remember when people valued their personal information?
ee31cf No.15415637
>>15415244
OP doesn't understand what doxxing is and is therefore retarded and gay.
86671c No.15415667
Googling a guy and then not telling anybody what you found is not doxxing you fucking idiot.
ba7d2d No.15415694
27b252 No.15415729
>>15415244
>>15415285
Why are you faggots trying so hard?
Why do you think taking things out of context or outright lying is okay, just because you don't like the entity you are moving against?
Fucking subhumans.
a69aac No.15415756
wew steamshills out in full force today
b0e125 No.15415765
>>15415729
it probably works on halfchan, while im sure there is scrutiny theres enough nitwits there to drown out any common sense
bb9f2a No.15415772
On one hand, I want more quality control on Steam so the front page of my recommendations doesn't always fucking look like the blammed page of Newgrounds
On the other hand as a non-acting pedophile I value privacy more than any other freedom and hate the idea of anyone encroaching upon that in any way for any reason and believe everyone, even filthy dirty corporations, has a right to such privacy.
5e9f6e No.15415784
there is literally nothing wrong with this
524115 No.15415798
>>15415772
Don't worry anon. Just get a blue checkmark and you can say or do whatever you want.
5e9f6e No.15415806
>>15415772
>On the other hand as a non-acting pedophile
for what purpose would you even make reference to this fact about yourself
141495 No.15415826
>>15415729
>being a steam apologist
and where did I lie faggot? This is a full-on background check, you can fuck off
>>>/cuckchan/
>>15415765
Shouldn't you be sucking based lord GabeN's cock right about now?
bb9f2a No.15415828
>>15415806
where else can I reveal it where I won't be detained
b0e125 No.15415834
>>15415826
shouldnt you be blogging on twitter?
88edd7 No.15415840
>>15415826
>and where did I lie faggot? This is a full-on background check, you can fuck off
Spoken like someone that's never had a background check done on them. Checking someones social media is not a fucking background check.
c17204 No.15415854
>>15415244
Sad that this post was probably made by someone doing the work of a marketer for Steam (intentionally or not) because the use of the word 'doxxing' has derailed the conversation from the only concerning part of their admission, namely this bit:
> "it really does seem like bad games are made by bad people."
What is a 'bad person' according to Steam?
3e8027 No.15415864
>>15415297
It's always nice when people you dislike are intimidated out of speaking their minds, isn't it?
524115 No.15415870
>>15415854
>What is a 'bad person' according to Steam?
I think you already know the answer to this.
3dddf7 No.15415873
>>15415273
>because you shitposted on twitter with wrongthink
That's also not doxing you dumb double nigger faggot fuck.
141495 No.15415878
>>15415840
>banking information
>what they've done in the past
>people they associate with
>as much context (read: information) as possible
its a background check, now fuck off back to cuckchan
>>15415834
This makes no sense whatsoever, back to >>>/cuckchan/ subhuman
e4a9a4 No.15415885
>>15415772
>i value privacy over function
>just release a game with a price tag without banking information to the service and somehow magically get money from gamers who brought your game
MAKING ME THINK
3e8027 No.15415899
This one made me laugh.
>those bad bad goyim found a way to make money off our client without giving us a cut
c17204 No.15415913
>>15415870
Yes, and I want people to focus on that. This means they can interpret a games as 'trolling' if they think it is made in order to spread a political message that the people doing these checks find personally disagreeable.
3e8027 No.15415924
>>15415913
You know this will eventually happen but what can we say until the first time it happens?
c17204 No.15415940
>>15415924
Say? Nothing but we'll be watching. Just keep your eyes and ears open and hope that people come forward to complain about the removal of their game while not being afraid of having their identity publicly exposed in the process.
3e8027 No.15415985
>>15415940
Unfortunately, those who control the press are sure to take Valve's side the first time they ban some "bad actor" for his Twitter behavior. I can see situations where droves of feminist cows mass email Steam every time a small-time developer says "cunt."
c17204 No.15416005
>>15415985
I doubt Valve would step into it that overtly, they seem to have some intelligent people that understand the direction that internet culture is heading with regards to blogger articles. I'm more afraid of the chilling effect that these kinds of announcements can have and the 'implications' they bring into potential devs minds.
7a7421 No.15416044
>>15415864
If you don't restrict your enemies freedom, they'll restrict yours.
4f5412 No.15416322
>tencent shills out in full force
b48b9e No.15416392
>>15415864
It's always nice when someone stops using social media.
274ebe No.15416623
>>15415244
That's not doxing, that's spying. Fucking retard.
7bac48 No.15417354
now you have to put in more effort and creativity to fuck with them. should've abused it more when there was less rules, just step it up lmao
33e168 No.15417359
>>15415244
>On Steam, some are simply trying to rile people up with something we call "a game shaped object" (ie: a crudely made piece of software that technically and just barely passes our bar as a functioning video game but isn't what 99.9% of folks would say is "good"
So why are they still allowing text games that lack the basic visuals of a visual novel.
d98dc9 No.15417367
I'm not sure I'd call it doxing so much as e-stalking. Not much different than anything other companies do at this point, however.
>>15415275
That line came to mind while looking over the Battlefield thread earlier.
ea2a0c No.15417368
>>15415393
I just want to say that pirating software is a crime for the lowest scum.
if you can't afford a 60 euro game, then maybe you should stick to free mobile app games or farmville.
Pirating software is just so pathetic, the kind of people who do it are ones who are too cowardly to steal it outright from a shop, so they do it online like cowards.
Funny how it is just in the last few years that these cowards have started pirating, when all the real true gamers from the 2010s, 2000s, 1990s, 1980s bought their software and funded the amazing development that has happened since.
No wonder developers are struggling now, with all these new coward pirates around.
4b8fa7 No.15417382
that's not what doxing is you fucking retard
>>15417368
kys yourself
b9b111 No.15417529
>15417368
You won't receive any (you) from me for this shit bait.
>>>/gasyourself/
9b4cf8 No.15417554
Uh, this kind of background check is what every employer also does so later on your company won't get fucked by "associating with known con artist/former pedophile or latest scare - a white supremacist".
It's natural steam would do shit like this as means of QC. You people outrage over nothing once again
994bf1 No.15417597
5e9f6e No.15417606
>>15417597
that's not irony
it's spelled with one x
it's a shortened version of 'docs', as in documents
2980ec No.15417615
dc111d No.15417672
>15417368
Try harder shite baiter
5e9f6e No.15417680
>>15417672
I'm liking this trend of denying (You)s to shitposters
8a9efe No.15418256
>>15415272
And what other people you work with have done. Nearly guaranteed there's going to be a bad goy group and a good goy group, and they're going to be separated along political lines.
ea4dc2 No.15418279
>>15415273
this will never happen, you're going off the implication of a false implication that doesn't mean what you think it does
valve has zero track record of this, you're talking shit and you're also a retard
48faf0 No.15418366
>>15415244
You mean they'll start judging me based on multiple convictions for tax fraud, my stated office address being a post box in Romania, my insistence on being paid into a complex of shell companies based in Panama and my membership of NAMBLA? Scandalous! How dare they investigate a prospective business partner like that!?
784957 No.15418382
>some are simply trying to rile people up with something we call "a game shaped object" (ie: a crudely made piece of software that technically and just barely passes our bar as a functioning video game but isn't what 99.9% of folks would say is "good").
Gone Home?
Wolfenstein: The New Colossus?
DmC: Devil May Cry?
What game is he talking about here guys? Help me out.
26f410 No.15418389
Doxing really doesn't mean anything anymore, does it?
f0460f No.15418425
>>15418382
Cr1TiKaL's YouTube channel (penguinz0) has some good examples of him playing trashy asset flip games and other nonsense he buys off Steam. Stuff that is purposely made as a joke or a scam that no one should buy other than people like him who make a comedic video about it for 10 minutes and then request a refund.
>>15418389
Yep, too many newfags and normalfags getting their hands on the word and changing the meaning.
6f5c8f No.15418445
developers they associate with
Better hope you're on the right side of history, goy, so we call your game art instead of trolling.
5c483a No.15418721
>>15415244
>doxing
You either never have had a medium to high profile job in your life or you really don't know what doxing means…
fe53c2 No.15418731
How is this doxxing?
They're checking information voluntarily given to them to make sure that they aren't letting people that try to scam users or sell trash into the store
I'd be against it if they released that information to the public, but they're clearly just using it internally to make sure they're people that actually want to sell games
c17204 No.15418761
>>15418389
>>15418721
>>15418731
Almost like the OP chose that word as an easy distraction to the actually concerning parts of the announcement where they say 'bad games are made by bad people' with no definition of a 'bad person' or what they mean when they say they want to make sure that the 'developers behind them aren't out to do anything more than sell a game'.
6019d4 No.15418770
>>15415244
>background check
>doxing: the publishing of private information
Who let the retard in?
5a29de No.15418771
c65aab No.15418806
>>15415244
As long as leftists are allowed to live and work on the tech industry, this will not end.
All online stores are run by leftists.
All of them must be killed to even start turning the stores back into good platforms for selling a product.
fe53c2 No.15418836
>>15418761
I think they made it perfectly clear this is an action to stop asset flips.
Using "Trolls" as a catchall might be confusing and unprofessional, but the message is pretty obvious.
d90a05 No.15418843
>>15418836
And by their definition, loosely worded on purpose.
fe53c2 No.15418861
>>15418843
How is it loosely worded?
>if you have a history of asset flips
>if you behave like you're trying to scam people
>if your banking info looks like you're trying to launder money
>if you associate with other developers doing shady shit
No developer that isn't actively trying to make a quick buck or exploit Steam will ever fall under any of these groups. You're essentially arguing for there to be more asset flips on the Store.
Why?
b0d50a No.15418862
>>15418761
>with no definition of a 'bad person'
IIRC the one game they shitcanned is that school shooting asset flip where it was blatantly obvious it was only made to ride on the controversy. That and the game that had items that purposely looked like more expensive items from other games.
Naturally, Valve could use this to ban genuine games for any number of reasons, but so far I agree with their definition of "bad game".
c17204 No.15418914
>>15418836
>>15418862
All I'm saying is remain vigilant and not handwave any concerns away, these types of systems are open to infiltration for the purposes of political hijacking since their very loose phrasing allows for interpretation from the unknown beliefs of the people they hire to do the actual job.
f0168f No.15418924
Why is Volvo becoming more and more based?
769dad No.15418951
>>15415244
OP and his brigade of cuckchanners go on another cocksucking crusade once again.
e042e2 No.15418961
>>15415244
I fucking hate Valve but this is the definition of a hitpiece. Disingenuous LARPers are gay.
1856e9 No.15418966
>valve pretending they have quality control
f68532 No.15419008
>>15418836
>asset flips
>thinking they'll remove shovelware off Steam
The most they will do is remove right-wing and edgy shovelware, left-wing shovelware and apolitical shovelware will stay up and everyone who isn't a retard already knows this
5e9f6e No.15419023
>>15419008
>left-wing shovelware and apolitical shovelware will stay up and everyone who isn't a retard already knows this
lolwat
This is clearly them taking steps to remove asset flipping games, I'm not sure why you're injecting politics into this. As far as I know very few of these games are political at all.
94f914 No.15419028
>>15418382
add "depression quest", "answer the question" ('game' which consists of answering how much 30 - 8 is, supposedly made by a 7 year old girl and totally not her father (who happens to be a game dev)), and other not-games to the list.
f68532 No.15419038
>>15419023
>asset flipping games
Is this some kind of fucking joke?
The main ones they've been removing are politically charged (right-wing specifically) or edgy shovelware. They have shown no indication of going after shovelware as a whole.
c17204 No.15419046
>>15419023
Why isn't the phrase "asset flip" mentioned once in the article then? Instead the speculated motivations of the the developer are vaguely talked about.
fe53c2 No.15419433
>>15419038
This has never happened.
If you've got to make these claims then post a souce or fuck off
3e8027 No.15419628
>>15416044
Not when those you proclaim "enemies" are simply minding their own business and trying to play video games. When you stop trying to restrict the freedoms of people who aren't bothering you in any way, you'll find you suddenly don't have so many enemies.
5de0a9 No.15419742
>>15415244
>Business vets potential business partners they want to work with to ensure they aren't just gaming their system and taking advantage of them
>Doxing
what
27b252 No.15419789
>>15418806
Yes, in the white ethno state nobody will be allowed to interfere with your scam attempts!
>>15415756
Yeah, can you imagine? Telling the truth when it comes to somebody you don't like?
Unimaginable.
306299 No.15420096
those fucking kikes at the bank _do]xXx[ed_ me when I opened an account!
b3fc16 No.15420571
c839d6 No.15423750
16a393 No.15424608
>>15415244
>Backgrounds checks is doxing.
Great thread OP.