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File: 86310932cbfcebc⋯.jpg (134.9 KB, 965x420, 193:84, ff7.jpg)

dbf023  No.15351134

How come Sephiroth killed Aries?

When looking back at Final Fantasy VII story and plot, how come none of it makes sense after leaving Midgar? I just beat FFX which was a massive pile of shit, but it got me thinking in previous entries in the series. I don't try and take jrpg stories and plots TOO seriously, but FF7 feels like it tries really fucking hard to be deep and dark but falls flat on its face. How come they never went and kept the path of FFV which was light hearted, fun and had a good story progression (including a great job system)?

Also has any anons here played FFXII? I know that Final Fantasy was suppose to end at IX so I tried X to see how bad it really was so I am just curious if it's even worth giving XII a try.

b193ff  No.15351158

File: bc0ae62a3077190⋯.jpg (42.28 KB, 460x340, 23:17, sephcage.jpg)


dbf023  No.15351207

>>15351158

My bad.


5e8ccf  No.15351247

I think it was because her prayer was summoning a spell that was going to throw a wrench in his plans. Also that wasn't the real the Sephiroth.


7f5e08  No.15351315

>>15351247

Yeah, this was it.

Sephiroth Jenova wants to smash Meteor into the planet to suck up all that lifestream that comes from the crater, and Aries was casting Holy, which would directly counteract Meteor.

If you want an explanation as to why Aeris decided that she needed to go into a monster/clone infested hellhole by herself to cast the world saving spell, entirely alone and unguarded, then you're shit out of luck.

I just chalked it up to all Ancients / Jenova infectees having some kind of autism that makes them think they're better than normal folk.


74cfe3  No.15351449

>>15351315

She went alone because Cloud was a puppet of Jenova and was just as much of a threat to her.


b96c81  No.15351469

>>15351315

Cloud beat the shit out of her while under mind control. He's not an uncompromisable bodyguard

Barret and the rest, on the other hand…


b96c81  No.15351487

>>15351134

The biggest problem with FF7 is that the translation legitimately doesn't know what it's saying half the time. In the scene with Sephiroth in the library in Cloud''s flashback, he can't seem to figure out whether the ancients are from the planet or if they're the people who came from another world.

And disc 2 loses the impetus for most its plot regarding the huge materia because they managed to completely fail to convey that they're important pieces of the planet in a timely manner; instead we have Barret saying "If Shinra wants 'em, we do to", a not at all sufficient motivation considering we have more important things to worry about


12fca3  No.15352626

File: aa5ad716b5bccb1⋯.jpg (877.38 KB, 1000x891, 1000:891, Fighting Fantasy.jpg)

>>15351134

>Fighting Fantasy as thread topic.

>Doesn't talk about Fighting Fantasy.

Pic unrelated, post unrelated OP?

>>15351487

I've considered playing FFVII with the fan retranslation patch before, but I'm not sure how much more accurate that one is, and I've seen a fair amount of final fantasy fans on imageboards still say to play with the official script since that's what other people you're going to be discussing it with are most familiar with (which in its own doesn't strike me as exactly sound logic; I don't see Breath of Fire fans telling people to avoid the fan retranslation of II under the notion of the shitty official English script being what most western fans are familiar with).


d2e9cc  No.15352784

File: 058189bb9ce681a⋯.jpg (99.96 KB, 713x900, 713:900, m48bEU9.jpg)

Heres the simple version dumbass:

DISK 1:

>Shinra bad

>Aerith the last of an ancient race

>Sephiroth* is back and he's PISSED after being dead

>Follow Sephiroth* through Kalm, Junion, Costa del sol, Northern Corel, Golden Saucer, Cosmo Canyon, Nibelheim, Rocket Town and Finally the Temple of the ancients.

>Sephiroth wants to wound the shit out of the planet with a meteor cus he wants to become a god by absorbing the lifestream that'll try to repair the damage he's done to the planet.

>Get the black materia

>Sephiroth* steals the black materia

>Aerith goes to the Forgotten Capital to cast Holy

>Aerith fucking dies

DISK 2

>Northern Crater

>Get the black materia back

<Nah wait give it to sephiroth instead

>Sephiroth Summons Meteor

>Cloud has a mental breakdown

>Superbosses spawn on the map

>Cloud disappears from the party

>Wake up at Junion

>steal an airship

>Go to mideel

>Find cloud as a vegtable

>Get you some fuckin Huge Materia

>Cloud comes back

>Raid the shit out of Midgar

>Kill Hojo cus he just wants to power sephiroth up with a mako cannon cus his sperm made him

>Good Job team now figure out what you're fighting for

DISK 3

>Kill Sephiroth.


74cfe3  No.15352921

>>15352626

Hardly anyone played BoFII prior to emulation. It wasn't a real big seller.


f49529  No.15353153

>>15352784

I still don't get the logic behind Sephiroth's logic when he goes evil. He's loved by everyone and he likes it. Not even accounting for the crisis core stuff, he finds out that he was made in a lab. He then assumes that some space alien is his mom and that she ( an assumed ancient) was killed for reasons. He decides to avenge her by killing humanity. He just reads about this and never confronts anyone in Shinra about it, so then he decides to burn down a town and kill his best friends. He then gets thrown into the lifestream, where it should be obvious that his assumed mother is nothing more than a space parasite. He then forms a physical body and kills the final remaining ancient, and then decides to absorb all of the lifestream energy to become a god. Wasn't he already inside of the lifestream? Did he really need to summon meteor to get more of it? Why would he kill an ancient if part of his plan was to avenge them? He even kills the last one like a total retard. Sephiroth going evil because some books said that he was made in a lab is like some guy deciding to suck dicks for a living because someone called him a faggot once.

To include Crisis Core, Genesis just wanted to cure himself and he does so in the end. Angeal ends up dying for Zach iirc. Zach dies for Cloud. His reasons for being the big bad are flaky at best. Kefka from another ff game is more justified in his murder spree as he was some super soldier that was driven insane in a process that made him even stronger, and then he had to serve the person who did that to him.


43db1e  No.15353243

>>15353153

Sephiroth is dead aside from the flashback. It was all Jenova. During the flashback he basically gets his mind invaded by it which is why he goes crazy.


d2e9cc  No.15353252

>>15353243

SEPHIROTH

DID

NOTHING

WRONG


62b6f2  No.15353266

>>15353153

The reason you don't get why he did it is because you don't seem the understand the significance of Sephiroth finding out he was just science experiment. He learned that his entire life was a lie, and everything he fought for was a lie. He hated humanity because of this. He killed Aeristh because she was the only one who could stop him and, in the end, she does. Doesn't matter if he found out his "mother" was a space parasite or not because he'd still reach the same conclusion: Humanity created him to be the perfect killing machine and he was the only one who wasn't a failure. The fact that his "mother" is a space parasite only make it worse because that means they injected a bunch humans with space parasite dna in order to make an army of super soldiers. It is through the success of Sephiroth (the experiment) that SOLDIER exists and all those abominations you see in the pods exist. Those people who idolized him, were idolizing an abomination and encouraging the distruction of mankind and the planet as a whole (because, you know, Shinra was in the business of sucking the planet dry).

> Sephiroth going evil because some books said that he was made in a lab is like some guy deciding to suck dicks for a living because someone called him a faggot once.

>some books

I'm starting to think you're retarded.


b15262  No.15353308

>>15351134

Christ, that art has aged like milk left out on a hot day


12fca3  No.15353332

>>15352921

Yeah but even if you consider something like ZSNES in 1997 to be the "starting point", that's still twelve years (as opposed to 14; BoFII coming over in 1995) of people being stuck with a bad official script until the fan retranslation released in 2009 if they wanted to play the game in English.


7f8420  No.15353370

>>15351134

>>15353308

What the fuck did they do to Yiffie's left arm?


256a0a  No.15353461

>>15352626

That game was awesome it was like daggerfall for the DS but with only one dungeon. Still good though.


7f8dcd  No.15353555

File: 509b73ef9d4fe2f⋯.png (522.62 KB, 742x469, 106:67, 001.PNG)

>>15353370

>Yiffie


7f8420  No.15353559

>>15353555

In my defense I'm on my phone and the two letters are right behind each other


12fca3  No.15353571

>>15353559

>Being a phoneposter.

>>>/out/


b7b41c  No.15353575

File: b453111fb73e117⋯.png (230.96 KB, 281x351, 281:351, God of World War II.png)

>>15351134

>How come Sephiroth killed Aries?

You're thinking of the wrong guy. That was Kratos.


7f8420  No.15353581

>>15353571

Baww, sorry I stepped away from my PC for 15 minutes to take a shit and post on /v/


d2e9cc  No.15353584

File: 21260cc4b960484⋯.gif (252.32 KB, 840x488, 105:61, 1508157310588.gif)

>>15353571

I'm using tilt controls!


7c8dcd  No.15353922

File: 5ddfba8899ffacb⋯.jpg (46.92 KB, 800x518, 400:259, 28516_592bf9ffb3781.jpg)

File: 5649ad8da1342d7⋯.jpg (142.78 KB, 800x1200, 2:3, nc.jpg)

FF lore makes sense?


e5f2d4  No.15355803

i want to put tifas boobs on yuffie


024df9  No.15355816

File: 7dceee0ed7d890d⋯.jpeg (204.39 KB, 646x627, 34:33, ab17ad85a46c2ad7636b1878e….jpeg)

>>15355803

I wanna but my hands on yuffie boobs


e5f2d4  No.15355818

>>15355816

good idea


fe6c48  No.15355825

>>15355816

So you dont want to grab anything?


c0177b  No.15355827

File: 5d86ee0358949c8⋯.jpg (113.61 KB, 630x560, 9:8, 616ece8bec53d0b500040a0ebe….jpg)

I want to pet Red XIII while being aware of his quasi-human level of reasoning and call him a good boy


024df9  No.15355836

File: 8fdf4b7002ae45d⋯.jpg (124.66 KB, 844x874, 422:437, 1168508527441.jpg)

>>15355825

small boobs still feel good in the hand


cdef48  No.15355870

File: 4c0e437b9603b20⋯.png (7.44 MB, 2400x3507, 800:1169, yande.re 474433 breast_hol….png)

What RPGs do you guys consider actually have good plots, lore, or world building? I've heard some good things about the Ar Tonelico series.

>>15352626

That's another game like Demon's Souls, Natural Doctrine, and God Hand that got shit reviews for being too hard for the casual journalists.

>>15353308

Aged? It was never that good to begin with. Standards are just higher now because there are way more talented artists for this type of stuff than before.

>>15355803

Has there actually been any playable titty monsters in FF past VII? Tales, Dragon Quest, and Star Ocean still have them. But I don't think FF does anymore.


b15262  No.15355893

>>15353922

What do hot dykes have to do with FF though


e5f2d4  No.15355904

File: 75aed28b2f6d4e4⋯.png (752.71 KB, 563x1000, 563:1000, FFX_Lulu_Art.png)

>>15355870

big tiddy goth


fe6c48  No.15355919

>>15355836

Yuffie doesnt have small boobs, shes just straight up flat.


e5f2d4  No.15355928

>>15355919

shes a ninja, she has H cups but shes good at hiding them


024df9  No.15355965

>>15355919

then the nipples must be bullied by your ham hands


cdef48  No.15356108

File: cc37a318c1a9af4⋯.jpg (750.52 KB, 1358x1920, 679:960, yande.re 424365 senran_kag….jpg)

>>15355904

I forget FFX exists sometimes. There was also that titty monster in XIII but you don't get to play as her and she dies half way through.


cfc50c  No.15356161

File: f2aa072d31b2663⋯.png (167.83 KB, 317x435, 317:435, JoeyStrife.png)

>>15352784

Alright everyone, let's mosey.


a66b44  No.15372562

>>15353153

He went crazy because Jenovah is a horrifying eldritch abomination from the stars and his contact with Jenovah basically fucked his mind and she was basically controlling him by manipulating his thoughts. Everything he does after that basically serves Jenovah's goals. The Sephiroth we see at the end if the game is basically a new Jenovah. Hefell into the lifestream but you can't exactly absorb it that way. It's thin and effluvial down there. He needed to make a BIG MURDERHOLE in the world so it would gather up in one place to heal it and he would suck it up there aand kill the planet in the process.

Jenovah is the main villain of the game, Sephiroth is just her puppet. Hence why he also refers to cloud as a puppet multiple times. The Jenovah cells inside his body can be manipulated by Jenovah.

Jenovah herself it just a formless mass that travels from planet to planet assimilating the population and feeding off their Lifestream. The female form is probably just some random cunt it mindraoed and used as a vessel to travel between worlds. Dr. Gast's journal even says this. When the Tetra first encountered it it would steal bodies and mindrape people.


7ecf94  No.15376092

>>15353153

multiple reasons, first being ye olde "MY LIFE IS A LIE!" meme level backstory, while he was reeling from that shocker, JENOVA, who apparently has fairly powerful psychic abilities, mind fucked him HARD. So you now have a VERY unstable psychically induced schizophenic, sorta empowered by a world eating abomination, who just so happens to be a living weapon and just gave him a literal planet's worth of targets and a need to "get back at" everyone who has now wronged him by their sheer existance.

Non-Flashback Sephiroth is more a wraith or medium for JENOVA depending on the meeting.


be620b  No.15376149

>>15353559

right behind each other?


12fca3  No.15376204

>>15376149

Yeah, the I teleports behind the U at all times.


f2ec26  No.15377763

File: a5bc2c429adc407⋯.gif (6.81 MB, 600x480, 5:4, 0c76a3d8c9a116a2e679e00c65….gif)




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