72d1ed No.15325221
Anything I'm missing? Obviously this doesn't include JRPGs.
24c627 No.15325230
f5ac67 No.15325231
>>15325221
>Anything I'm missing?
Fallout 1.
f935fb No.15325235
>>15325221
God tier?
>KoToR 2
>any fallout after 2
>system shock 2
4adbdc No.15325244
3813db No.15325245
>>15325236
>we're getting to a point where people are so retarded that only boomers and millennials exist in their minds
72d1ed No.15325247
>>15325230
It's fun but it's not an all time classic.
>>15325231
New Vegas is better.
72d1ed No.15325249
>>15325245
Calling everyone who likes games from the 90s a boomer is the new cuckchan meme.
f935fb No.15325256
>>15325247
>New Vegas is better
objectivly false
b1a329 No.15325257
>>15325221
>No Fallout 2
>Gothic 2 instead of Gothic 1
>Nothing from Might and Magic or Ultima
788141 No.15325261
4adbdc No.15325263
let's see how many (you)s this gets
b1a329 No.15325265
>>15325261
This man is your friend. He fights for good taste.
72d1ed No.15325266
>>15325263
Pretty sure I've seen a newer one of that.
4adbdc No.15325275
>>15325266
I remember the newer ones being shit
This one already had problems that feel too much of a pain to fix
72d1ed No.15325361
>>15325275
I can see a few mistakes in it as well.
768320 No.15325364
>>15325244
seconding Diablo
53bfe9 No.15325375
6ed203 No.15325388
>No Wizardry
>No Might and Magic
>No Ultima
>No Daggerfall
Absolute trash
4adbdc No.15325389
>>15325364
Good taste
>>15325375
Disagree tbh
53bfe9 No.15325442
>>15325389
It's just the first game with more of everything. Pretending 1 was better is just hipsterism.
e741a2 No.15325466
You're missing Arcanum, Fallout 1 + 2, Diablo, and Divinity: Original Sin II
f5ac67 No.15325467
>>15325257
>No Fallout 2
Shit taste.
3c4f04 No.15325473
>>15325221
>reverse image search the pic
>it's from cuckchan
fuck off faggot
b1a329 No.15325480
>>15325467
Of course, Anon. Can't have any of those dated cRPGs when we have amazing cutting edge ones like Fallout 4 and Skyrim
f935fb No.15325483
>>15325388
Never actually played Wizardry or Ultima but those other two are varafiably godtier. Especially if you are talking about the series in general. World of Xeen is comfy as fuck
4adbdc No.15325486
>>15325442
That sort of statement usually comes from people who haven't played 1.
2 loses the best parts of the RPG aspects (among other aspects such as sound/music) of Diablo for a few bonuses in build-crafting
Its "updates" such as the stash and saves loading you to the nearest town and other shit were some extremely anti-fun cancer
6ed203 No.15325491
>>15325486
>Anti fun cancer
That's been Blizzard since Starcraft.
4adbdc No.15325505
>>15325491
Disagree, Starcraft was fun shit and had a robust custom-mapping community; not many games gave the level of freedom and customizability that Blizzard's map editors gave for a long time
72d1ed No.15325514
>>15325261
Isn't Wizardy 1 dated as shit by this point?
b1a329 No.15325518
>>15325514
Wizardry, M&M, and Ultima all have extremely dated first few games but they're still fun
53bfe9 No.15325538
>>15325486
>sound/music
Not gameplay.
>Its "updates" such as the stash and saves loading you to the nearest town and other shit were some extremely anti-fun cancer
QoL features.
f935fb No.15325543
>>15325491
>>15325491
Blizzard technicly went to shit when they where bought out by Vivendi.
I didn't fully realize they where shit untill Diablo 3
4adbdc No.15325576
>>15325538
the opposite of QoL
In terms of pure combat, everything else focused around it felt like such trash that it wasn't fun anymore
You can sprint, you can use two hands and you have free movement
But it doesn't feel satisfying to kill anything anymore, there's no thought to the level or dungeon designs, mainly being open fields and open hallways so you're just running around, hitting things
There is no satisfaction either, no impact to your weapons and spells compared to Diablo 1
The animations were also worse
If you want me to expound on the RPG elements lost, the worldbuilding, characters, lore, plot and quests all sucked dogshit in Diablo 2 compared to Diablo 1. The atmosphere and terror all-gone. The focus gone as well. In terms of design decisions, it was really fucking frustrating to have shit like unique/magical consumables like Javelins and whatnot, to someone that likes to keep as much cool and valuable weapons around, especially with how limited the stash and inventory was
Diablo 2's dungeons also just felt tedious, and enemy design was fucking stupid
Its bosses and quests were also shit as well compared to Diablo 1
97abee No.15325588
>>15325263
>MM and LA over OOT and ALTTP
>Wario Land 3 instead of 4
>no Diddy Kong Racing
>not a single Double Dragon title in Beat Em Up
>no FF games in JRPG, not even 6 or 7
>Castlevania 1, but not 3 or Super
>DKC1 over 2
I mean the list overall is alright, but come on
3a6485 No.15325597
>>15325588
>MM and LA over OOT and ALTTP
What a tragedy, the interesting and unique games are there instead of the most generic and formulaic that you can play on Steam for 2 bucks now.
>no FF games in JRPG, not even 6 or 7
Good.
1b7f72 No.15325600
>>15325588
>no FF games in JRPG, not even 6 or 7
>6 or 7
Hello reddit.
4adbdc No.15325609
>>15325597
>Nintendo games
>Steam
What
3a6485 No.15325622
>>15325609
The joke is that they're so fucking generic that their formulas have been done thousands of fucking times over in endless shit cashgrabs that flood the Steam marketplace. You can play any of those and you will get the same experience as playing OOT or LttP.
f935fb No.15325671
>>15325622
But that's not even a funny joke because there is aboslutly no inde games that even remotly sucesssfully parrot those games.
97abee No.15325679
>>15325597
I get what you're saying about the formulas being done to death at this point but OOT/ALTTP are the best examples of the formula in a 3D and 2D game respectively. I'd also argue that MM and LA are sort of tied to their predecessors and should be played together rather than independently
>>15325600
What's wrong with FF6 or 7? I'm not decrying the other games like 3, 4, or 8, but as far as I'm concerned those two are the go-to Final Fantasy games for 2D/3D
637dc0 No.15325698
f935fb No.15325722
>>15325679
>What's wrong with FF6 or 7?
don't feed the sunny season sycophants
9a5480 No.15325755
>>15325263
At least it has Skies of Arcadia, it's up there in the top for me as far as the amount of enjoyment I've gotten from an RPG.
0531f8 No.15326240
This board likes Baldur's Gate a lot, or so I've heard.
fadf21 No.15326245
>>15325263
>Total War
>Grand Strategy
a2d286 No.15326247
>>15326240
Why would you out yourself as a newfag so casually?
2c2a3e No.15326267
Any non-ancient fallout style RPGs?
No Todd, your games are not RPGs.
8ebfdd No.15326283
Xanadu Next. That shit is highly underappreciated.
23e3ab No.15326294
>>15325221
>deux cucks
>morroshit
>system shit 2
>shitty controls but ok gameplay: the game 2
>leftist trash
>star wars unfinished mental masturbation 2
>walking simulator on bg2 engine
>leftist pro-gay propaganda
Nice games you have there. It's almost as if this list was written by /leftypol/
6b2117 No.15326302
>New Vegas
>not Fallout or Fallout 2
pic related, you're absolutely disgusting.
23e3ab No.15326306
>>15326302
Fallout or Fallout 2 are not any better than NV. They are also trash and in addition they have outdated graphics, combat and in case of fallout 2, they are memelands of 1999.
4adbdc No.15326307
>>15326302
Whoever made this picture is a master craftsman of shitposts and bait
1c7dfa No.15326309
>>15325263
I like the third visual novel pick.
6b2117 No.15326335
>>15325263
>Full Spectrum Warrior made the list
whoa, I was about to post it to the "games only you played" thread. I never even played it properly, I just remember lining up both squads against a wall and having them shoot at each other and seeing who would win. I guess I passed up a gem?
>>15326306
>Fallout or Fallout 2 are not any better than NV
They are different beasts. They are the muscle cars to NV's ricer import. Both achieve the same thing, differently. But if any had to be chosen over the other, Fallout should always be given primacy in any "best of" list.
>They are also trash
no
>they have outdated graphics
oh sweet summer child
> in case of fallout 2, they are memelands of 1999.
hidden and rare random encounters ≠ meme game. the people who repeat the tired meme that 2 was full of lolsorandum references are usually bethesdrones that never actually played it and realized how rare they were.
23e3ab No.15326345
>>15326335
>he ignores the entirety of FO2 is literally memes. Everywhere.
>he ignores the fact they went out of their way to make it leftist pozz
>he thinks combat was ok
>he thinks the shitty art direction and copy pasted assets everywhere were ok
It was trash. Leftist pozzed trash.
6b2117 No.15326357
>>15326345
>he ignores the entirety of FO2 is literally memes. Everywhere.
lies.
>hurr C&C (i.e. the soul of a proper RPG) is automatically leftist
The combat was great, as was the art direction. Fite me bruv
912965 No.15326363
>>15326306
No, you're trash.
23e3ab No.15326368
>>15326363
>n-n-no u!
Go back to >>>/cuckchan/
>>15326357
You too >>>/cuckchan/. We like good video games here.
7dd121 No.15326380
>>15325221
Eh, I'm just gonna put up some games and let people tear me apart for having shit taste or whatever.
In no particular order
Morrowind is top tier, if for some reason you haven't played it, get OpenMW and do it now.
KotoR 1 2 is ok, but 1 is better
Dragon Age Origins Yes the sequels were all trash, but I thought origins was pretty good.
Never Winter Nights
Mount and Blade warband far from my favorite but still good
The age of decadence is subpar but not terrible
Divinity: Original Sin 2 I couldn't finish it due to the shitty writing, but if you can get through that the combat isn't half bad
Some of the newer Shadowrun games have the same problem, shit writing, but not bad gameplay.
Way of the Samurai 4
788141 No.15326394
6b2117 No.15326398
>>15326368
Never been to cuckchan faggot, now try refuting the points I made, mainly that the references in FO2 were mainly rare random encounters. you won't because you're just shitposting
d63c40 No.15326434
>>15325263
where is world of warcraft
3670a3 No.15326441
>>15325221
>(((Morrowind)))
>Not Daggerfall
Your list is shit.
23e3ab No.15326548
>>15326398
>never been to cuckchan
Then you are too young to remember these memes and you think they are "le quirky moments xD". Entirety of SF, New Reno, GECK, Enclave is literally cultural memes.
f935fb No.15326552
>>15326441
too be honest no CRPG list is truly complete without the Quest for Glory series getting at least an honorable mention. and yes Lori & Corey Cole are full blown leftist sjw furfags but all RPG nerds where leftist in the 70-80's
39db50 No.15326565
>>15326306
>muh graphics
You are the very problem of gaming today. "Who cares about game-play, poly count is all that matters in a game."
23e3ab No.15326571
>>15326565
What gameplay? The choose a number part or roll the dice to hit and then wait 10 minutes part?
50206b No.15326584
>>15325221
Ultima Underworld, Arx Fatalis, System Shock 1
>>15325247
>New Vegas is better.
Wrong
9046c2 No.15326685
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>>15325247
There are accomplishments made in Fallout 1 that New Vegas doesn't carry forward - it doesn't carry forward the amazing musical work of Mark Morgan (it recycles a few of the tracks that Mark Morgan had made for the original games, but that's hardly the same thing), nor does it bother carrying forward the culture of The Republic that was established in the original games (in particular, that Mark Morgan's music helped set the style of).
9046c2 No.15326768
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>>15326267
Arcanum is very much a spiritual successor to Fallout, if 2001 counts as non-ancient.
e0b750 No.15326844
How do I into cRPGs? Am I not autistic enough to enjoy the shitty gameplay? I want the dialogues, choices and stat distribution but the gameplay kills me.
c73943 No.15326890
>>15325263
>Xenogears
>Good let alone the best of the best
Replace Xenogears with Parasite Eve and this list is golden.
8f2ebc No.15326997
>>15326306
>in case of fallout 2, they are memelands of 1999.
Having played through Fallout 2 again recently the "memes everywhere" thing is pretty massively exaggerated, honestly. They aren't much more prevalent than they were in 1 or New Vegas.
2fe53e No.15327036
>>15326890
>Xenogears
>Not good
How so? I played it a bit, got stuck and haven't picked it back up, but the game was fun up to that point. I definitely wouldn't describe it as bad, especially for it's time
c7711c No.15327081
>>15327036
It's fantastic until you get to disc 2, then it just turns into mediocrity because pouring more money into rubbish that is FF8 was more important than funding an actually good game.
It's still worth playing and finishing.
913dc0 No.15327114
Yeah, you're missing one of the best ones not many talk about.
I beat the main story and about half of the extra endgame dungeons, there are still a very large amount of legendary pokemon and really hard dungeons to beat. This game gets extremeley challenging one you get to some of the hardest dungeons in the game (like the ones i still have yet to go into). The main story itself is great and when i played it when i was a younger child, i actually cried during some parts of the story for the things that happened. Obviously i was just a kid but regardless this game is amazing and out of all the games i own, this is one of the best ones by far.
This game and the other versions of it in the Mystery Dungeon series is a must-play for any serious Pokemon fan.
913dc0 No.15327137
>>15326294
>Morrowind is shit
I've never even played it yet and even i think it's a amazing game from the many, many gameplays i have seen of it…EXCEPT FOR THOSE FUCKING CLIFF RACERS
>Fallout 1 and 2 muh graphicx
Still, never played them and they look really fun.
You have shit taste, your life is shit and you are shit. Now get the fuck out, faggot.
23e3ab No.15327144
>>15327137
>faggot who has never played them thinks he holds a candle to me
>he thinks I haven't played all those games at release
Okay, kid. Go play them and enjoy your leftist pozz and shitty gameplay to your heart's content. I dare you, go do it and tell me how much of a light do they hold up to modern games. Preferably after the cooldown period where you will pretentiously think they are amazing before realizing their glaring flaws.
913dc0 No.15327152
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>>15327144
You are literally shitting on the 3 games /v/ has always praised and now your sorry ass thinks it's right or something.
Please, go back to reddit and sucking EA dick while /v/ enjoys cult classic RPG's like Morrowind.
2fe53e No.15327156
>>15327144
>morrowind
>leftist pozz
Come on. You can make an argument for Fallout 2 being left leaning (can't speak for F1 as I haven't played it) but Morrowind? No.
fadf21 No.15327161
>>15327137
>I’ve never even played it
I don’t agree with the anon who’s shitting on it, but you can’t praise a video game without having tried it first.
913dc0 No.15327185
>>15327161
Look, i'm too poor to afford a high-end tower PC or just build my own so that's why i just stick to playing games on my PS3 but for the love of the nine divines Morrwind is a universally loved game and i'm no different to it.
I have read alot about the game over the years on the TES wiki and after watching so much gameplay of it, it really looks like a great game. I don't have to experience something to say it's great.
>>15327156
I'm 100% apolitical and i have been that way my entire life so i can't even comprehend how Morrowind is leftist.
57b4bb No.15327203
>>15325263
Actually a pretty good list overall.
162dfb No.15327206
Ignore Ultima Underworld posters. It's a tech demo that is one huge string of fetch quests. It used to be mocked as a tech demo and I don't know where '90s kids got the idea it was something amazing. Probably an e-celeb.
System Shock 1 is god tier and far better than SS2 but you need to play it with the original controls as it's not tuned at all for mouselook. I know you hate that. Too bad, it's true.
SC2 is far more RPG than many of the "RPGs" in this thread, so no bitching about what genre it is.
>not including JRPGs
913dc0 No.15327213
>>15327144
I noticed you never actually stated what's wrong with Morrowind other than shitty political complaints.
How about you tell the thread what's so bad about Morrowind?
Are you just angry Dagoth Ur kicked your ass when you played it?
Seriously though, you are being a huge fuckign faggot right now. Nobody likes you in this thread, now stop shitposting and give us some valid reasons why you hate Morrowind sooo much, buddy boy.
23e3ab No.15327215
>>15327152
>/v/ is one person
Ok, newfag. Why don't you tell me what /v/ thought of steam 10 years ago and what it thinks about it now? Or hell, even bioshock infinite before release and immediately after release.
>>15327156
I never said morrowind was leftist trash. I was talking about fallouts. There are leftist themes in it such as complete ambiguity whether a character is a woman or a man, but morrowind's main flaws are combat, piss easy exploitation and no incentives to explore or do quests without resorting to autistic measures like roleplaying gimmicks.
2fe53e No.15327226
>>15327215
<autistic measures like roleplaying gimmicks.
>in a role playing game
Here kid, have this. Don't spend it all in one place.
b1a329 No.15327227
>>15326302
Based Gang Weed
23e3ab No.15327230
>>15327226
Roleplaying means you play roles, not that player has to invent everything himself in a given world. This is not a pen and paper RPG. There is a reason that this format of RPGs died out fast.
ebefd6 No.15327238
>>15327206
You call Underworld a string of fetch quests, yet you posted Morrowind.
231706 No.15327250
someone recommend me new vegas mods
913dc0 No.15327253
>>15327215
>m-muh combat!!!
Cunt, you're just so used to the point and click trash games you play so much that once you actually have to hit an enemy 30 times you wuss out becuase you can't kill it in 3 seconds and run off.
>Piss easy exploitation
That's part of the fun, faggot. You can make really OP potions to dick around with and see what you can abuse.
>No incentives to explore or do quests
I think how great the main story is should be a incentive enough to go and do them, let alone the two massive expansion packs and countless side quests and rare loot to get.
Clearly you just want your fat EA cock up your ass taking your money as you shill bad games all so you can look like you are shitposting
>I was only pretending to be retarted!!1
Stop posting on 8chan, turn of your computer and kill yourself.
Filthy N'wah.
162dfb No.15327275
>>15327238
Morrowind has a lot of lore and gameplay. Ultima Underworld has very little of either. For the 'proper' UW experience, play it blind like a La Mulana and don't look up where you're supposed to go or what order to do things in. It's quite the experience to reach the "end" of the game and realize you've still got hours worth of picking up items in empty dungeons to do.
ce2452 No.15327288
>>15325221
>/v/ getting all pissy when that list is pretty much the rpgs the talk about the most
d915e4 No.15327293
>>15327185
I'm not apolitical in the slightest, I'm a /pol/ack, I've completed 100% of the quests in Morrowind, I've explored every inch of it. There is literally fuck all that has to do with leftist politics in Morrowind, now go back to /leftypol/ where you belong. You suck at false flagging, kid.
6554de No.15327297
>>15327185
>Look, i'm too poor to afford a high-end tower PC or just build my own
Morrowind is from fucking 2002, you can run that on a potato.
e741a2 No.15327301
>>15326768
Dont forget to set the combat to turn-based. Real time is default and it sucks.
3c01af No.15327304
>>15326302
>gamers as hardcases
This manages to be both incredibly annoying and 'oh you' funny. One just prays that no-one takes it seriously.
e741a2 No.15327306
>>15327137
Cliff racers aren't even that annoying. I still don't understand that meme, even after having played Morrowind. Maybe they're annoying on the highest difficulty or something. I can't remember a difficulty slider myself, I must have been using whatever was the default.
ff421d No.15327310
>>15325388
Daggerfall is overhyped among us contrarians. Morrowind is the superior game.
>>15326623
I always wanted to play it but never could. Was there anything noteworthy about it, aside from the setting?
>>15326768
>a spiritual successor to Fallout
Really? I never played it but always see it mentioned. Is it similar to Fallout?
>>15326890
>Parasite Eve
Excellent taste, although Xenogears is plenty good.
>>15327114
Isn't the newest one the best? Wasn't it a kind of best-of?
>>15327206
Supreme taste. System Shock and SC2 are particularly great.
ebefd6 No.15327340
Some of you are god damned crazy.
Fallout is a dumbed down slow piece of shit. Morrowind is a broken grindfest with a very basic combat system. Ultima is rather dull unless you enjoy walking around aimlessly for hours. System Shock 2 is just shit overall. None of the mainline Final Fantasy games are good. Mashing a button for hundreds of hours is not gameplay. New Vegas is mediocre. Sierra games are terrible. They made very slow video games with crappy music and uninspired characters where you get fucked over 5 hours later for something you couldn't possibly forsee.
e741a2 No.15327359
>>15327340
>WRPG
>A grindfest
162dfb No.15327369
>>15327340
>walking around aimlessly
So you're the guy they added minimap GPS navigation for.
ff421d No.15327403
>>15327340
What a bunch of nonsense. Are you the same guy from the other thread that prefers nu-doom for its "fluid graphics"? Give me a break. Go back from where you came from.
ebefd6 No.15327405
Fuck Planescape Torment. Worst game on the Infinity Engine.
913dc0 No.15327409
>>15327293
I can't go to a political board if i'm not interested in politics. I don't even know what left and right wing means anyways, so fuck off with your MUH POLITICS shit.
>>15327297
I don't have a job.
I'm living with a friend.
>>15327306
It's just a running gag among TES players.
>>15327310
I never played the other ones but i still love Explorers of Darkness.
>>15327340
This isn't even bait anymore.
Where is your handler, becuase clearly you got loose from the retard room.
>I NEED QUEST MARKERS EVERYWHERE BECUASE I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING ON MY OWN WAHHHH
That's what you sound like. Now go back to your brony tumblr circlejerk group chat and fuck off forever.
ebefd6 No.15327427
>>15327369
What I meant to say is that it takes too god damn long to get anywhere and the combat is shit.
913dc0 No.15327445
>>15327427
You clearly are too used to your "Run up to an enemy, swing a iron sword 4 times to kill it and run away" mechanics. Morrowind isn't a casual RPG.
Seriously, NOBODY in this entire thread likes your posts. Everything you say is low-quality shitposting and it's just ruining everything.
Go away.
ebefd6 No.15327450
>>15327445
Explain to me how Morrowind's mechanics are any way deep. Don't say using exploits to break the game is deep.
8f2ebc No.15327472
>>15327215
>such as complete ambiguity whether a character is a woman or a man
Which character are you referring to here? I don't recall anything like this in either of the first two Fallouts and I played through them both recently.
d915e4 No.15327476
>>15327340
>Morrowind
>Basic combat system
W E W
E
W
632f70 No.15327477
>>15327310
>Really? I never played it but always see it mentioned. Is it similar to Fallout?
Tim Cain and the other 2 guys that were involved in the original Fallouts made Arcanum.
IIRC Sierra also wanted to emulate the success of BG2, so told Troika to add in the RTwP into Arcanum, so combat was fucked.
d915e4 No.15327491
>>15327409
I misread your post, I thought you were the guy claiming Morrowind was leftist propaganda.
913dc0 No.15327498
>>15327450
You can use all sorts of spells and cool weapons that never returned to future TES games.
Combat takes a while to kill anything, just like in real life.
You can swordfight with somebody and have them go down in 3 swings to thier steel armor, it would take minutes to kill them, unlike your easy-ass RPG's that you can kill anything in 5 hits with a rusty iron spoon.
Can you just fucking leave the thread already?
Nobody wants you here.
40ee68 No.15327515
>>15327476
it is actually very basic compared to something like wizardry 8, but that doesn't mean it's bad.
b41635 No.15327543
>ctrl f
>nwn
>neverwinter
>not found
nu-/v/ really sucks
8e8d88 No.15327563
>>15327543
Pillars of Eternity is so underrated. Not meme-ing, it may be the best RPG of all time. Definitely belongs on a top 10 list.
067a16 No.15327599
>>15327543
>NWN1
>everyone is an asshole and SJW plotline
>NWN2
>the same
Some mods were ok but that doesn't count.
94f5e3 No.15327606
I think you would be remiss to not include NuPrey if you're going to include both System Shock 2 and New Vegas. NuPrey is a straight upgrade from System Shock 2 and you can't argue not including it because it's new if you're going to include New Vegas.
You should also include Divine Cybermancy and Stalker because they're both great first person RPG's. The only problem is that they move a little bit away from the player-driven story aspect and lock the player character into a particular role and backstory. They're no less player-driven than System Shock 2 though.
55ee64 No.15327658
>>15325263
>unteralterbach
c667d0 No.15327734
>>15327658
>mfw unteralterbach is the only VN i've finished and i got to chomp in muvluv after 6 months of not reading it, cried like a little bitch in the PTSD arc and haven't touched it since then
a417a4 No.15327748
dark messiah if it wasn't so short
c2c214 No.15327803
>>15325263
Is this taking into account the year they came out, or is it judged by modern day standards?
For example, the first Tomb Raider is almost unplayable now.
55ee64 No.15327828
>>15327803
>the first Tomb Raider is almost unplayable now
u wot m8 I emulated the PSX version just fine about a year ago
5eba38 No.15327968
>>15327563
It was alright m8
6c84ea No.15327978
>>15327288
>/v/ getting all pissy when that list is pretty much the rpgs the talk about the most
Where are Skyrim and Fallout 4 though? :^)
30a3e8 No.15327999
>>15327968
Is that from the fucking SOS video?
40c446 No.15328159
>>15325221
>Anything I'm missing?
Fallout 4 and Skyrim.
>>15326307
>implying it wasn't made by some underage normalfag that thinks anyone alive before the Xbox 360 is a dinosaur
e741a2 No.15328271
>>15327999
It definitely looks fucking familiar.
7de8d2 No.15328354
>>15327606
> I think you would be remiss to not include NuPrey if you're going to include both System Shock 2 and New Vegas. NuPrey is a straight upgrade from System Shock 2 and you can't argue not including it because it's new if you're going to include New Vegas.
Don't see what New Vegas has to do with that. Is NuPrey actually a good rpg? Is the story any good? I figured it was trash since it was published by Bethesda.
b6030c No.15328431
I don't think Morrowind should be on there, to me it's really just a run-of-the-mill RPG with shitty combat. That and, due to my crippling disdain for furries, I can not stand Argonians and, to a slightly lesser extent, Khajiit Also, I'm pretty sure this whole thread was b8 to begin with.
c7711c No.15328458
>>15327137
>I've never even played it yet and even i think it's a amazing game
I'm convinced that at least half the people who praise Morrowind haven't played it either.
>>15327476
It is.
Dice rolls and stats in what should be an action game make it neither deep nor interesting.
At least the magic is good, but anyone playing Morrowind should stay well away from melee builds.
c7711c No.15328467
>>15327543
The OC of the first game was hit and miss, but the second expansion was pretty good.
>>15327599
What part of NWN 1 or 2 is SJW?
067a16 No.15328476
>>15328458
Melee is serviceable after you get your agi to a certain level.
33021d No.15328484
>>15328159
>spoiler
It's actually the reddit meme of the month. Gang weed is the name.
f31c94 No.15328518
>>15328476
Meanwhile, Destruction is serviceable from level 1 and outclasses melee at every level.
f935fb No.15328571
Is there a properly comfortable way to play Pool of Radiance (or other Gold Box Classics) if you don't have the accompanying rulebooks and manuals? Having a PDF or a Website open doesn't really suffice. Also, Icewind Dale ought to be in the top 20.
>>15327543
>(1)
>nu-/v/
>as opposed to nu/v/
(you) are doing that on purpose
>>15326565
this is unfortunately true
>>15326768
I've never played this on account that I hate the steampunk aestetic. But I really ought to get around to it due to the unending praise in general /v/ heaps on the game.
c667d0 No.15328627
>>15328518
>wtf the combat isn't the exact same if you pick melee instead of magic?
anon, I…
067a16 No.15328798
>>15328518
It's a single player RPG.
I don't want it to have all classes being equally viable or balanced.
If I pick a thief/charisma/techie class, it doesn't really bother me that i have to sweat more than a wizard.
That's the point, wizards are strong. I'm playing a role that isn't a strong wizard.
4adbdc No.15328818
>>15327310
>newest one
>the best
KEK
FUck no, you are grossly misinformed the new one is dogshit, Explorers of Darkness/time/sky was a masterpiece
f31c94 No.15328846
>>15328627
>>15328798
You're both idiots, then. If one option is absolutely better than another in every situation, the other option is pointless.
8e8d88 No.15328851
In Dragons Age, why was the fucking wizard that lived in the crappy part of the capital and preyed on retarded adventurers a more difficult fight than the final boss? If that guy just stopped being a NEET and stepped out of his shack, he could have conquered the city single-handedly.
067a16 No.15328869
>>15328846
Not every game is played for a high score, anon.
c667d0 No.15328883
>>15328846
I bet you pick Chun-Li in 3S and Athena in KoF too, you tier-whore.
8e8d88 No.15328892
>that guy that plays as a warrior and buffs strengeth every chance he gets because the mechanics are too difficult to master
Are there seriously guys here don't play with Wizards or Rogues in every RPG? All the other classes are always boring to varying extent.
f31c94 No.15328900
>>15328869
I said nothing about any score.
>>15328883
>3S
>KoF
I don't play trash, anon. But to answer your point, low-tier characters in fighting games can still be interesting to play. Miss-miss-miss is not interesting, it's a shallow waste of time.
067a16 No.15328908
>>15328900
Miss miss miss only happens if you do>>15328892
and spend literally 0 points in agility
067a16 No.15328920
>>15328892
There's something subconsciously fun about running a character that sucks at everything but talking and brawling.
It's like some ancient jungian archetype is awakened in you, as you play the knight in shining armor that sucks at all but being a knight in shining armor.
f31c94 No.15328956
>>15328908
It happens to every level 1 character. Even a Redguard warrior will have an abysmal sub-70% hit rate at level 1.
A mage can make a perfectly-reliable attack spell as soon as he gets to a guild hall.
>>15328920
If the knight in shining armor is a valid playstyle that doesn't suck, does that ruin your fun?
067a16 No.15328978
>>15328956
But it doesn't suck, the warrior guild questline is fairly well developed.
Your gripe was that the warrior is weaker, and takes more time to come into its own, compared to the wizard. But I won't ever have to face another wizard PC, so I don't see why that would matter.
f31c94 No.15329005
>>15328978
>takes more time to come into its own
As I said, Destruction skill is superior to melee skills at every level. Melee never comes into its own.
>the warrior guild questline
The Fighters questline is fine, House Redoran is too. Doesn't change the fact that melee skills are shallow and weak.
067a16 No.15329024
>>15329005
But I don't want to be a wizard, I want to be a warrior.
In-setting, wizards are much more powerful than warriors, and I'm fine with warriors being weaker because I'm roleplaying as a brawny character.
If the game said that warriors are weak pushovers, and then gave them the Destruction skills from level 1, then that would ruin my roleplaying experience, but so far it doesn't.
The point of a roleplaying game is to play a role, not to have the most powerful character on every possible run.
8e8d88 No.15329068
>tfw picked improved parry for my first feat in Neverwinter Nights
>also put 4 points into cha
Lots of traps in this game.
721416 No.15329079
>>15327734
>and haven't touched it since then
You have to finish what you started anon, do it for her.
f31c94 No.15329106
>>15329024
You can spend your time however you want. You can play Morrowind when there are much better games to play warriors in. But how you spend your time does not change the fact that melee is weak and shallow in Morrowind. No amount of "but I like it" will change what it is.
>The point of a roleplaying game is to play a role, not to have the most powerful character on every possible run.
In a well-made roleplaying game, a warrior would be good at fighting and bad at other things. In Morrowind, a warrior is bad at everything.
c667d0 No.15329154
>>15328900
>3S is trash
into the trash you go
>>15329079
i-i'll try
067a16 No.15329159
>>15329106
But I want to play a warrior in morrowind, I don't want to play a warrior in other games because the combat mechanics are more developed.
If I wanted to play a game for the warrior combat mechanics, I wouldn't play an RPG in the first place.
Almost all RPG combat mechanics suck, Some RPG's (for example VTMB) have utterly abysmal combat mechanics across all classes, but it's the variety of experiences the classes and world offer that makes them good.
There isn't only one way to play an RPG, even if some classes are obviously more viable than others.
f31c94 No.15329185
>>15329159
>But I want
>I don't want
>If I wanted
You can spend your time however you want.
067a16 No.15329191
>>15329185
What I want out of an RPG is what RPG's are made for.
What you want out of an RPG is what FPS/TPS/Fighting/Arcade games are made for.
Then you have the never to complain.
c7711c No.15329196
>>15329068
NWN2 makes use of the speech skills nicely, so if you're playing that, charisma is never a waste.
Especially if you're playing a class that benefits from it.
>>15329159
Honestly, my main gripe with the melee in Morrowind is how long it takes to get going.
Never mind whether it is underpowered or not, it's a pain getting it to an acceptable level in the first place.
f31c94 No.15329214
>>15329191
>What I want out of an RPG is what RPG's are made for.
>>15329159
>There isn't only one way to play an RPG
You have the never to kill yourself.
067a16 No.15329215
>>15329196
Early game is all about swinging that sword 20 times as low level bugs shit out high speed projectiles in your direction with laser powered precision.
c9c7bd No.15329225
>>15327340
Legendary bait, I like it so I'll bite as well. Calling Morrowind's combat rudimentary is a misunderstanding of the fundamentals of the game. In Morrowind, the player's input is elementary. As the basis for the combat system, the player's click is an activation of the attack function in a menu based RPG or more correctly the function of attack in a tabletop RPG. What happens behind the scenes is the real meat of the game, and because of the disconnect between attack values and attack function RPGs of this nature will die to shit like Skyrim. Just because it's in first person doesn't mean it's a fucking action RPG. It is a tabletop RPG DM in video game form. All it's doing is guiding you through a process. This is more prevelant in Daggerfall but still obvious in Morrowind, and the only people who miss it are people who think of video games as button pushers. When you say "I want to attack", your skills should be checked against the skills of the other "players" in the world. This is how one, aside from characterization "plays a role". Playing a role is more than acting like somebody through dialogue; it's method acting in video game form. The modern misunderstanding of "role playing" is a constant fucking issue. What you're looking for in a real role playing game is not only playing a character in personality but also playing that character in terms of strengths, weaknesses, talents, and failures. The fun of role playing comes from encountering challenges surrounding your own skill set that must be worked through using your own tool set, not saying "but I clicked and I moved so how could I lose".
Action RPGs ruined the modern gamer's sense of role play because they bastardized the term. If the player's physical skills affect the character's, then how are you playing a role?
067a16 No.15329226
>>15329214
RPGs are made for multiple playthroughs with different gameplay styles to accomodate different roleplaying experiences.
What i want out of an RPG is the possibility of multiple playthroughs with different gameplay styles to accomodate different roleplaying experiences.
Is that hard to follow, or are you just dumb?
7b31d6 No.15329235
Offended. Call it
>"fictional deity tier RPGs".
7b31d6 No.15329260
>>15327450
Magic in Morrowind is pretty deep.
f31c94 No.15329275
>>15329226
>Is that hard to follow, or are you just dumb?
Read back over your own posts. You've spent most of them saying again and again that all you want to do is play a warrior in one specific game where warriors are shallow and weak.
You aren't hard to follow, you're moronic and frustrating to interact with.
067a16 No.15329307
>>15329275
Your whole argument is
>they're shallow and weak
And I have been giving you as many explanations as to why one would want to play a warrior: experiencing the fighter's guild questline, roleplaying as a specific kind of character etc.
There are other reasons to play a class other than the stats.
But you think that repeating "actually, this class is stronger" will make people just bow down and submit to your logic because everything is dependent on logic and numbers and if you can prove to somebody that destruction magic has better numbers, they'll realize the error of their way.
I know it's thrown as an insult, but you're getting me genuinely worried, do you have autism? This whole line of thinking strikes me as genuinely un-neurotypical.
Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it would explain a lot.
f31c94 No.15329317
>>15329307
Neck yourself, you fucking filth.
ec68e0 No.15329324
>>15327803
Why is it unplayable? the graphics?
Tomb raider 1 is one of the best in the series with excellent level design, puzzles and controls. What makes it unplayable exactly?
ff421d No.15329341
>>15328818
Oh, that's a shame. Are the three games wholly different or do they simply have other pokemon? Which is the best of the three?
f935fb No.15329370
>>15329324
kiddo's really can't appreciate how good the TR1 tank controls where in terms of puzzle design. It was genuinely a 3D adaptation of classic Prince of Persia.
94f5e3 No.15329425
>>15328354
NuPrey is pretty good. The entire game world is a 1:1 re-creation of a space station. Everything from power to housing to recreation and food supply taken into account and has a story attached to it.
It's more action/stealth-driven than dialogue-driven (you speak to very few survivors on the station). There's plenty of environmental details like e-mails which contain interesting story elements that affect gameplay.
To speak of its negatives: it was fairly easy when I played (although apparently there was a recent patch that supposedly fixed this), the main story ends on a bad note, some of the crewmembers are pozzed, and there's stupidly long loading times off of PC/without an SSD.
If you enjoy Bioshock or System Shock you will enjoy NuPrey.
ecbda9 No.15329456
>>15325263
that rhythm game list hurts me
2c0576 No.15329469
>>15325486
Diablo 1 is great and nails the music and atmosphere. I prefer how it told the story and the boss fights were much more memorable the first go around, but I still prefer Diablo 2 because it just flows much better as a game.
Diablo 1 as a melee character is just odd because it is essentially loading your entire inventory full of HP potions after reaching the caves. Once you get the armor with highest recovery and a decent unique sword, like Griswold's Edge, the game becomes a cake walk. More so than it already is.
>2 loses the best parts of the RPG aspects (among other aspects such as sound/music)
The music in Diablo 2 is much more memorable than it's predecessor in every way possible. With the exception of the original Tristram theme and Caves Diablo 2's OST hits it out of the park.
a9bd91 No.15329515
>>15326768
Why Arcanum is held in such a high esteem? I played it up to the moment where you get to the elves living on huge trees, after the prison island, it was a few years ago, but I still remember that I wasn't impressed. It wasn't bad, but it didn't seem like something worthy of being mentioned in every RPG discussion.
2c0576 No.15329517
>>15327206
System Shock is god tier, but it's okay to play it with mouse controls, Anon.
33021d No.15329542
>>15329469
Diablo 1's melee problem was that there was no sprint option or any way to increase the player's speed. Which made ranged monsters a bitch to deal with. The first Diablo is inferior to it's successor in every way, but it's not a bad game.
aa5b6a No.15329633
>>15328571
>>nu-/v/
>>as opposed to nu/v/
>he doesn't know that the "-" stands for the divide between what is bad and what is good.
nu-/v/ everyone.
ec68e0 No.15329657
>>15329515
not to mention it's buggy as all hell.
88e6d2 No.15329693
>>15326552
QFG 1 ~ 4, anyhow. As well as maybe Heroine Quest. Maybe Quest for Infamy or Quest for Glory 4 ½. Dunno, haven't played the latter two, but QfG 4 ½ triggers the Coles something fierce. To their credit, though, I've heard they don't have a problem with people discussing the game in their forums - whereas a lot of QFG sites outright ban you for bringing it up.
Anyhow, stay away from QFG V. It was a nu-Sierra grudge game made during the time the company was being butchered by Jews and only exists because the fans of the series wouldn't stop snailmail bombing them. It was supposed to be a multiplayer title, but due to the aforementioned kike butchery, got it's multiplayer disabled so it could be sold as DLC - then they canceled the DLC.
f935fb No.15329720
4feb8f No.15330274
>>15329720
1.0 was always the best.
264378 No.15330296
>>15329633
down syndrome much
f8901b No.15330364
>>15325221
You could try replacing that cinemaplay piece of trash PS:T with an actually good game, for starters.
a2d057 No.15330479
>>15328458
Just uncap skills and attributes, and go hand to hand.
c1df31 No.15330514
>>15325442
Being able to run negates 90% of the danger of Diablo 2. In Diablo 1 there was much more emphasis on positioning and starting combat correctly rather than running around dodging 100 arrows a second like some Touhou character.
Character skills means there's no sense of living off the land, every character doing x build is going to play exactly the same.
Diablo 1 has no respawns in Single Player and is theoretically possible to lose, unlike Diablo 2 which incentivizes farming with respawns.
All Diablo 1 quests are far superior to Diablo 2. Atmosphere and pacing is superior all around. No stupid joke monsters or awful areas like Act 3.
4adbdc No.15330523
>>15329469
>Diablo 2's music is much more memorable than its predecessor in every way possible
I don't remember any of it, it just felt so much more "bland" and muted by comparison
4adbdc No.15330532
>>15329341
No, its pretty much only different pokemon
Explorers of Sky is basically the "pokemon emerald" of them, I don't think there's any real difference otherwise aside from having both pokemon and maybe a zone or two more or something
ff421d No.15330537
>>15330532
I see. Well, now we have the definitive game.
2e004b No.15330573
Thread needs more comfy Kraut adventures.
fef850 No.15330800
>>15329515
These are the kind of gamers that like to play talent calculator.
def465 No.15330883
>>15327310
>I always wanted to play it but never could. Was there anything noteworthy about it, aside from the setting?
The game's main attraction was its increasingly rich system of collecting and raising demons. Safe to say it was a far more in-depth system than most (if not all) other monster-raising video games had. If I were Maniax, I would have been taking notes because that game did so many things better.
That said, it had its share of usual problems for a F2P MMORPG. Heavy on grinding, lazy on PvP. But it really opened my eyes to how much better Japan handles the F2P model. While the localization was run by greedy cunts looking to rip you off at every turn, the Japanese version would give you just about everything for free. And guess which version lived longer.
(Pics aren't mine, by the way.)
5e8ac6 No.15331785
>>15325221
>No Dragon's Age: Dark Arisen
>No Baulder's Gate
>No Neverwinter Nights (the original)
Was Skies of Arcadia good? I remember enjoying it as a kid but that was 15+ years ago.
>>15326768
>Arcanum
Man, maybe i made some bad choices at character creation but I could not get into that game from the get go. Not being able to scroll the map while I waited for my dude to run was hugely annoying.
ef4055 No.15331800
b44b15 No.15332112
>>15331785
I haven't played it in ages but I remember a pure melee character being the most brain dead easy way to steamroll through the entire game. I think for those unfamiliar with arcanum would benefit from just going with that route until they're interested in trying something a little more unique
0fa2e0 No.15332120
95d4d8 No.15332159
Mario RPG is fucking great
78c604 No.15332189
>>15332112
>>15331785
From what I remember
>Melee
Fairly straightforward but you're going to have a bad time when you get to the black mountain mines, better have backup weapons or a high repair skill
>Magic
HARM HARM HARM HARM HARM, other trees are more fun to use but never quite as simple and effective as spamming harm although some buffs can be stacked infinitely like morrowind IIRC
>Tech
Fun as shit but the absolute worst to start as, you either need to spend months of in game time looting garbage bins to turn into materials for healing salves, molotovs, bullets, etc. In addition all the starting guns are terrible and without expert skill you'll critical fumble and blow your arm off an obscenely high percentage of the time, you're very reliant on either your followers or mass quicksave/load you can use your first fate point once you get to tarant to 100% pickpocket an NPC with a hand cannon, one of the better guns in the game, turning most fights at that point into a cakewalk, provided you don't kill yourself on a fumble
264ff6 No.15332240
These Lists need to be amended for
<Was well recieved in its prime, does/may not hold up today
A lot of these game I never got to experience when they were new, so there is no nostalgia goggles.
Over the years have been going through them in my backlog and some are just completely unbearable.
4adbdc No.15332246
>>15329469
Also, I will agree the game unfortunately becomes noticeably easier once you get past the learning curve and you understand the basic strategies; I don't agree with it becoming that formulaic and there is still challenge to be found in later levels. I would kill for being able to increase the difficulty setting in single player in that game. I did find it valuable to keep a few different items, equipment and other shit still going through, I only ever needed to have maybe 9-18 potions at any time. Caves however in my opinion was probably one of the worst places to only load up on pots because the monsters in that area blew threw them like no tomorrow (in fact get just a few too many horned monsters on you and they have a chance of killing you too quickly to use them)
c7711c No.15332440
>>15332240
Care to list some names?
7b3636 No.15333522
>>15332240
>>15332440
you'd have to almost create an individual sort of graph for each game. like barrier of entry for UI mechanics, how outdated are the graphics, how outdated is the interface/gameplay, depth of roleplaying etc.
5e8ac6 No.15333630
>>15332112
Ya, I made an evil (((merchant))) character. It was quite a curve
c7711c No.15333785
>>15333522
I'm not asking for a graph, I'm asking for specific games and complaints about them.
Sure, games like BG and Icewind Dale are old, but they are far, far from unplayable. I'd even argue that they are more accessible than some recent RPGs.
f7b9ea No.15333895
>>15332284
>that 18 year old millennial whose first console was a Wii
dat me
5e8ac6 No.15333901
>>15333785
>specific games and complaints
THAC0 is really counter intuitive which is what the older CRPGs like BG used.
a4acb4 No.15333989
>>15325221
>deus ex
Look, I consider myself to be a fan of the Deus Ex series, I still play multiplayer mods of the original ffs. But as an RPG, I'm really, really hesitant to call it one of the best. It is good for the "play it your way" exploration gameplay. But in the sphere of western RPGs it sticks out for its relative linearity, and general lack of tabletop influence. The skills are typically outclassed and overriden by weapon mods and nano-augs, and there aren't really any "builds" for your character, it's just picking one type of gun like the pistol and upgrading it to work like a sniper rifle. The stats, augs, and exploration elevate it as a stealth game but not to the point where it could be called an RPG.
As for what's missing, if newish games like NV are allowed, then D2OS. Baldur's gate deserves a spot for its dungeon design, too, IMO.
79d817 No.15334033
>>15327563
It's too boring, and some classes are just not viable. The companions are also all pretty shit save Durance, GM. The combat is just a rehash of previous CRPG's with no new additions or anything to separate itself from it's predecessors. Obsidian's only good IP so far has been Tyranny.
c7711c No.15334645
>>15333901
Fair enough, but anyone paying attention will notice that lower numbers result in higher avoidance.
9ef8ba No.15334816
>>15328354
It's shit, don't listen to the faggot.
9ef8ba No.15334863
Might be considered bait but i always saw Morrowind-fans as the Skyrim-fans of the time, they just got to experience their first ever RPG that was kind of popular and available on Consoles aswell, so they think that's how a RPG-game should look like. What they don't take into fact is that it was the first streamlined Elder Scrolls-games and they removed plenty of features and content from Daggerfall. Most importantly, they removed plenty of ways to play the game differently too.
0b3e2c No.15337249
I dunno about any of you fags but KH1 I feel is unloved. Ever since everything after CoM. It has largely gone untouched. It's not the best game but it really does do a good job in terms of level design and basic story structure. It has more akin to Disney than anime.
I really wish this game got more love as how obnoxious the story is now you'll definitely appreciate how self contained the game is compared to the others. It's old and the first of its series with some old kinks. But I feel if you faggots can put up with old JRPG shit then you can at least give this a chance.
Warning!: It still has just enough typical vague anime bullshit to make most western autists flip out and quit but if you have a higher tolerance for it and its other early vidya flaws then you'll find a very fun game in this package.
7bf75f No.15337403
>System Shit 2
>Memesidian RPGs
>/v/core
Stop and kill yourself.
>>15327206
SS1 isn't an RPG, but it's a vastly superior game to the trash heap that is SS2.
7bf75f No.15337408
>>15332240
Or better yet, get rid of the shitty charts and lets actually facilitate discussion about gamea instead.
c3484b No.15337420
>>15327288
>/v/ is one person
fc4cc3 No.15337437
>>15328571
>Is there a properly comfortable way to play Pool of Radiance (or other Gold Box Classics) if you don't have the accompanying rulebooks and manuals? Having a PDF or a Website open doesn't really suffice. Also, Icewind Dale ought to be in the top 20.
Why not print whatever you need and stick it in a binder?
2254a3 No.15343573
I got memed on Divinity Original Sin, not a bad game but it's the greatest recent RPG so many people suck it's dick for. It's not bad but the writing is kinda shitty and the companions are some of the worst I've ever seen in an RPG. I'm level 6 and I don't have any new spells or new abilities for my knight like my companions do, where do I get them? I can't beat the boss in the cave.
75ed92 No.15343611
>Tfw no Leisure Suit Larry