/v/ - Video Games

The transitionary point between the glory of 90's gaming and the dogshit that waited ahead.

One, people were still making good games back then.

Two, the PS2 was one of the most successful consoles of all time and lived quite a prolific life, right up to the launch of the PS4, so it was still getting games alongside the PS3.

>>15264511

>Final Fantasy X

>revolutionary

If by revolutionary you mean pioneering ways to make JRPGs linear cinematic trash and setting the foundation for FF13, sure.

>Max Payne

That was a PC game first and foremost, console cuck.

>Rez

Dreamcast game first.

But to give a serious answer, it's because Sony was riding high on the PS1's success and basically had a ton of developer already behind them. This is despite the fact that the PS2 was actually a nightmare on a hardware level, Sony still had so much developer support not to mention the marketing prowess; specifically, it being the first affordable DVD player, on top of being a game's console that was also backwards compatible with 99% percent of PS1 games, so owners of that system wouldn't have to keep two systems in their entertainment setup and could pawn off their PS1 to buy a PS2.

Unfortunately, the combined success of PS1 and 2 clearly went to Sony's head leading them to make a hodgepodge clusterfuck of a system with the PS3, and we all know what happened then.

>3D graphical tech was becoming easier to use now that a gen had passed

>no HD meant the negatives of 3D graphics wasn't fucking costs or barriers to entry up

>no dedicated hard drive or sufficient penetration rate of quality internet prevented devs from relying on patches or other ways of making money; either make a complete game or find a different business

>while dev costs were rising, it wasn't at a point where it was so high only big publishers could afford it, so there was a large A and AA market as well

>platform was easy to develop for and developer friendly

>smaller costs allow for more risk taking and experimentation, games could be more different and be able to recoup costs

>Nintendo kept pissing off 3rd parties and M$ could only bribe them at the best of times, so the overwhelming majority of titles were on a single console

>launched a year earlier with full backwards compatibility, gaining a big install base early and keeping them entertained with a few twilight PS1 titles when the early drought hit

Those are the big reasons in my mind. Hard drives and broadband connections were a mistake for reasons everyone knows by heart at this point. The cell architecture and integrated blu-ray drive were also fuckups. Sony might've been 100% fucked if M$ wasn't incompetent to the point of releasing a $400 box with a 2/3 failure rate.

>>15264511

>How come the PS2 library was so much better than the PS3 and PS4 libraries?

Because it was closer to the PS1 era.

PS1>SNES>NES>PS2>etc

A few more achievements of the PS2 to put in perspective:

>Forced DVD player brands to make affordable products and stop being greedy fuckers

>Killed off SEGA, a jewish company that was a long way making shitty consoles and addons nobody wanted to suck shekels out of people

>Kicked Nintendo's ass out of their comfort zone and pushed them to make something other than copy-pasting mario, zelda and the occasional pokemon over and over again

>Prevented Micro$haft from taking over japan on the videogame department as it did on the home computer department

>graphics much more polished than the PS1

>budgets were not as bloated as during the PS3

>no online so focus was on single player

>vidya was still seen by normalfags as that niche hobby for creepy nerds so there were very few casuals

>more powerfull than the dreamcast and better hardware

>easyer to pirate wich made it sell easyer in the third world, bloating the instal base in the eyes of gulible devs who had yet to chose wich DRMbox to develop for

>Nintendo shoot itself in the foot again with some weired mini disc format instead of the standard disk

>PC was barelly catching on to console style vidya and it was much diferent that streamlined mmo shit that comes for PC these days

the PS2 was to the PS1 what the SNES was to the NES

the first console brgan with 2D the second console perfected it and began with 3D wich the third console polished until they finally mastered with the fourth console

after that graphics and marketing budget skyrocketed and the addition of internet caused an influx of MMO whales and FPS dudebros shitting up the industry with their fat wallets and shit taste, now a days the FPSMMO craze seems to be dying down but the "graphic whore" syndrome is stronger than ever and these bitches fall hook line and sinker for any shtty VN disguised as game cus it has QTEs so long as it has enough marketing forse behind it

TLDR:

internet on consoles was a mistake

A number of factors, if you ask me. Most notably that while games being made for, and brought overseas for, the PS2 slowed some after the PS3 was out, it still got worthwhile games up until 2010 or so, and most that weren't sports or licensed titles (disregarding "worthwhile" for a second) didn't wind up as multi-system games, the way a lot of late PS3 games also wound up being PS4 multiplat as well (PS4 regional exclusive in the west, in some cases). And with the PS3 being $599 at launch, and having years of "NOGAEMS" phase on the vidya end, there's less incentive to jump over if the previous system is still safer to make money with when it comes to actual games (PS2 had it's own NOGAEMS period, but much shorter). Budget costs also meant some Sony series and devs didn't make the jump to the PS3, instead going from PS2 to either the PSP or DS, and/or died off. Quality-wise, there's a difference in mindset too, between sixth gen still having a lot of room for both realistic graphics and cartoony ones, and seventh gen pushing for more realism hard as people that hadn't had much interest in vidya prior (even with the PS2 being quite popular in it's own right) making grim and gritty, brown and shitty shooters and action the easy way to make money with the PS3 and 360. Also the shift in focus away from gameplay and more towards visuals ("It's current year and this looks like a PS2 game" style complaints). Overall, sixth gen was just better than seventh gen, and while one could say sixth prompted a number of issues (beginnings of internet connectivity in consoles, for instance), it was seventh gen that really made them a trend (day one patches, "we can fix it later, maybe" development mindset, paid DLC and digital storefronts, digital only releases from companies that can most definitely afford physical, etc).

Also, more on the "video" side, the jump from DVD to bluray as a medium wasn't nearly as big a hit as the jump from VHS to DVD, thus less reason for people to adopt a six hundred dollar bluray multimedia center at launch, than what was the cheapest DVD player on the market when the PS2 came out, which added reason for families looking to pick something up that everyone could enjoy: if the parents or whoever weren't into games the way the kids were, they could still get the ability to have menu-based viewing of movies or shows without dealing with tape.

>>15264652

I got a vita with a 64gb memory card two years ago for about 130$

Good deal.

>>15264511

You're letting nostalgia cloud you. It was the shovelware station before Wii arrived.

>>15264651

It was easy to develop for compared to shit like the PS3, N64, or Sega Saturn. Nintendo made sure the Wii had similar functionality to the PS2 so they could reap similar benefits. Developers bitch and whine about every console being difficult to develop for, that doesn't mean they're truly nightmares like the power of the cell. Daily reminder Sega was founded by a jew, so both companies have that influence.

People used to have standards

They don't any more

There was no bullshit such as season pass, dlc etc.

>>15264658

>It was the shovelware station before Wii arrived.

Every best selling console of its generation is a shovelware machine you dumbfuck.

>>15264664

>Everything after 1988 Genesis was absolute dogshit

Yeah no. The PS1 had every right to win the 5th gen, but the Saturn was no slouch. N64 was the real loser of that gen.

>Sony wasn't created by a hawaiian jew, as if I needed to even mention it.

We all know about (((David Rosen))), but don't act like Sony isn't kiked to hell and back. Their E3 presentation this year is proof enough. And let's not forget how they worked Michael Jackson to death while never once defending him when he went to trail.

>>15264681

>don't act like Sony isn't kiked to hell and back

It IS kiked to hell now, but it has not ALWAYS been. Back in the 5th/6th gen things were still great, maybe even the early years of 7th gen for all the laughs.

Fuck the modern industry though.

>>15264651

>one of the PS2's biggest franchises was fucking SOCOM

never heard of it

as in never ever in my entire life

i think socom was the name of Solid Snake's handgun but i didn't know there was a game with that name, also PS2 did not came with a modem if i remeber correctly so the bulk of the development was offline one exception does not make the diference

>Read a book nigger

<ESL mutt

>>15264658

Any system that get popular is going to get attention in the SPOATS/licensed/shovelware department. Bigger question is if it's still got enough actual games of its own beyond that to make up for it. Kind of like how the DS and Wii were both shovelware heavy systems of the same generation (and company, even), but the DS is the better regarded system due to more actually worthwhile games.

>>15264665

More that the ones that do have long since been drowned out by ones that don't, and publishers are all too happy to cater to that lowest common denominator.

>>15264718

Was also going to make mention that it's similar to what's happened on imageboards over the years as there's been more and repeated media exposure to the masses that clearly don't belong, until they drown out the oldfags and the site enters an "inmates run the asylum" thing, and the administration would rather cater to their interests.

>ever since normalfags started larping ass geeks cus it was the trendy bandwaggon to jump in standards droped to the ground like a super atomic buster

The worst part is that even if all the plebs suddenly jumped off the wagon due to some event even they couldn't tolerate, and fucked off from vidya permanently, publishers would still spend years and years trying to appeal to get them back, continuing to shit up the industry rather than have the realization that they're not apt to get that bubble back. And I assume most would wind up going bankrupt doing so, instead of downsizing and catering to the people that were actually interested in their games before vidya got super big with the average normalfag happened (and I don't just mean by making faux-retro indie-tier shit like YIIk to cater to hipsters that had an SNES or PS1 growing up).

>>15264745

You're not wrong.

>>15264603

> it being the first affordable DVD player,

stop telling this lie, the year the ps2 launched you could get $120 DVD players. The PS2 was $300.

>>15264762

No.

>>15264766

they were desirable but bundling dvd with a game console made it far more appealing and helped it established its market presence. It was never a cheap dvd player. Even today you can get a $20 dvd player over a $50 ps2.

>>15264761

if you're talking about the PS3

don't you mean the first afordable BLUE-RAY player instead of DVD?

>>15264730

That's already been mentioned. It's almost a prerequisite to be on this site and acknowledge that as the root cause. We're comparing the surface reasons and how they effected things.

>>15264732

The online didn't have the same effect because of the penetration rate for broadband, the quality of the connection, and a dedicated hard drive. The PS2 and Xbox were getting there, but the technology still wasn't there yet. It was a prepping ground of sorts, mostly for M$, but it only affected a few titles. Even during the 7th gen, it took some time for the majority of devs to go all in on their bullshit practices and you can tell by looking at the games themselves from early 7th to mid and late 7th gen. You can't give him shit for spelling though when you're fucking up five letter words like trial anon.

>>15264767

>zoomer

literal cuckchan insult. you need to go back.

>>>/cuckchan/

>>15264767

>zoomer

>>>/out/

>>15264732

You do know their games branch and their movie branch have been largely independent from each other until only just recently right?

>>15264776

>shitskinned genetic runoff.

sure thing cuckchan runoff.

>>15264821

just opened up the thread, and the first thing i see is some glow-in-the-dark cuckchanner calling someone a zoomer.

there's certainly some hawkeyed kikes in this thread alright. at the very least, one.

>>>/cuckchan/

>>15264832

>being this obviously glow in the dark

god this is pathetic.

>>15264832

>Yes, I used a cuckchan term

good, the first step is admitting it.

the second step is going back.

>>>/oven/

>>15264863

>it's just 4d chess guise, you'll see!

the cuckchanner is also a supporter of the orange kike. who could have predicted such a startling revelation.

>>15264511

Because the PS2 has more games than the PS3 and PS4 put together, and nearly all of them were made before 2007.

>>15264850

I'LL CALL ITTIN

>>15264655

HA the used meme card is worth that much now.

There was actually a somewhat thriving AA industry, so you could play something potentially unique since they didn't have to make every game for stoner fuckheads.

>>15265114

Using what few brain cells I have and while inebriated, I think it's gen z + boomer though I can only imagine this is some kind of tangent from the forced 30 year old boomer meme that had a brief life then failed here and festers over there.

>>15265118

The Beatles were fucking shit though.

sony allowed anyone to licence the right to make games on the ps2 soyou got a greater variety of games.

they supported companies and even created a good devkit anyone could make a game on ps2.

This is why it dominated the era,

nintendo have always been jews and the video game "crash" was just one console that had too many shitty games. nintendo wouldn't allow anyone to make games for the nes unless it passed through nintendo's strict guidelines.

Give me a good list, I need some stuff to put in my PS3.

>>15265157

Sony had similar licensing practices to Nintendo and Microsoft at the time. It had nothing to do with that. And the "devkit" that they gave out to everyone was originally a means to bypass a European import tariff. That's why they completely backpedalled on Linux support for the PS3 later on down the road after this practice was deemed invalid.

>>15264696

>Twinsanity

>Worthwhile

>>15265125

I couldn't make sense of that 30yo boomer shit, either. Cuckchan has really gone to shit in the meme department.

>>15264511

It had mostly japanese (that is, superior) developers, and little leftist and jews infesting it's production. That is why it was better.

But hipster nugames such as ICO and Shadow of The Colossus were responsible for attracting the hipster faggots that can't play video games but want to brag about playing them. Final Fantasy X was a borefest and nothing revolutionary. It was the true beginning of the franchise's decline, and one of the worst in the whole franchise. God of War baby's first Devil May Cry (worse) experience, admitted even by the creators of the game themselves.Those and others like them, as well as the deformed kikes, impotent leftists and talking dogs (women) infesting the industry were the mistakes that lead to Soyny becoming even shittier.

All companies that grow become incompetent and shit, as they begin to hire en mass, instead of by merit.

>>15264639

Redditor abomination (probably a faggot) and his "muh dudebro are bad" shit taste is also a Soyny soyboy. Every single time.

>>15264651

You used the single example that makes your point void. DOA 2: Hardcore was released unfinished. Tomonobu Itagaki himself admitted that, and gave interviews talking about how a disgruntled employee stole his unfinished copy and gave it to Tecom to release it, because Itagaki was a slow and lazy retard that could not follow schedules.

>>15264667

Also, this.

>>15264738

They are. Communists at the top benefit from capitalism, while making the other leftists at the bottom poor and weak.

>>15265188

What don't you get about it?

>>15265210

How can a boomer be 30? That's retarded.

>>15265259

That's the joke. It's about people who get autistic about what the grew up with.

>>15264511

It also had the 1st 3D GTA games. That's why I got mine and it had the best GTA San Andreas version. Also theres

>SMT Nocturne(still the best SMT game)

>SMT Raidou

>Steambot Chronicles

>Onimusha 2

>Ape Escape 3

>Armored Core

>Yakuza

>Drakengard

>Gran Turismo

>Valkyrie Profile 2

>Xenosaga

>Kings Field

>Nightshade

>>15264569

>Persona 3 is bad

What a gay opinion.

>>15265271

>lol being retarded is the joke!

Glad I don't go to cuckchan anymore.

18 year millennial here who hates the new stuff and loves the old…games just aren't what they use to

Cos 90% of the good ideas had been done and all they could do was be derivative and make shitty sequel/reboots.

>>15264603

>>Rez

>Dreamcast game first.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rez_(video_game)#Release

>The Sega Dreamcast and Sony PlayStation 2 versions of the game were released simultaneously on 22 November 2001

Why are you lying on the internet? Still console waring about an 18 year old console is pretty pathetic honestly.

>>15265303

oh fuck off

>>15265346

>If by revolutionary you mean pioneering ways to make JRPGs linear cinematic trash and setting the foundation for FF13, sure.

Forgot to add. Final Fantasy games have always been linear and story focused. I can figuratively taste the salt from your post.

>>15265356

>I can figuratively taste the salt from your post.

Oh thanks for clarifying, for a minute there I thought you were browsing with taste-o-vision on.

>>15265335

With less talented, less passionate people who were tasked with doing more work to justify their product and the platform. It's even worse now because those same talent vacuums then hired women streetshitters and trannies in droves in a futile effort to scrape pennies from agenda driven dolts who do nothing but bitch about FUCKING WHITE MEN all day on Twitter. Hence why so many games are being used as political tools rather than, ya know, something challenging and entertaining.

>>15265303

Stop riding the big releases train and go play indies, dumbass. That's where you find honest and ambitious games, if you know where to look, instead the same bland, profit focused, dishonest shit in AAA gaming, 9/10 times.

>>15264511

Is this a real question?

>middleware not as common as it is now leading to more multiplats and thus less exclusives for the ps4

>game development costs going up and game developers/publishers aiming for more stupidly ambitious games or games that need far more sold units to break even leading to worse games on many different levels

<higher cost of entry leading to less smaller titles from smaller developers from japan who primarily support the vita

<larger teams are needed to make games leading to a smaller design committe and a less team focused approach to game design

<the rise of large publishers sucking the passion out of many studios

<massive game development budgets leading to more executive meddling and a greater requirement to appeal to more customers

>the rise of the pretentious games must be art audience

<really just less games by wasting game developmet on shit

>a strong desire for companies to hit the next big thing leading to far far less a/aa titles

>the push for greater and greater levels of visual fidelity which has lead to teams being consolidated just to make 1 game

>>15265431

>and go play indies

Western indies have gone garbage as well, and rather fast once the scene got infiltrated too and Kickstarter started being a thing

>>15264511

there were also hundreds more shit games too.

>>15265288

GTA SA makes me cry nowadays as you don't get games of this scope anymore. It was supposed to have a shitton more features however, I wonder how it would've ended up if PS2 wasn't the leading platform of the 6th gen.

>>15265431

The concept of indie games in general is a fucking joke too be honest. It's another product of retards trying to find equivalency between video games and other mediums. As if video game jams are anything like music jams. The sad truth is game development will never be like music production. Music is spontaneous. Even in game jams typically what goes on is experimenting with asset design at best which is the only actual artistic aspect of game development. Everything else requires long testing and polishing processes. Using canned game engines has allowed asset artists to shine in recent times sure but it's hard to truly stand out as a game when using canned game engines.

Because it was at a point where technology allowed for a great variety of fantastic ideas to be realised yet had no gotten so advanced that it would cost millions of dollars and years of your life to realise them. It was a perfect storm.

How come the PS1 library was so much better than the PS2 library?

>>15264603

The PS2 was also a hodgepodge clusterfuck of hardware btw

>>15264658

>Nintendo has been the shovelware brand for two whole fucking gens before the ps1 you cherrypicking cuck

Or do I have to remind you about shit like action 52?

>>15264702

Sony was installing malware on the PCs of people who bought their music CDs back then. They were always kiked.

>>15264608

Actually the PS3 outsold the 360 in Europe and Asia despite $599.

Xbox just can't win no matter what. PlayStation IS videogames for a large part of the globe. A kid in Singapore will never ask his parents for an Xbox.

>>15265753

Lmao sure the NES was full of cheap shitty titles but you could have used a better example than Action 52 which no one bought as it was an unlicenced overpriced piece of shit created by someone with the audacity to think he'll start the new TMNT

>>15265175

they backed out on ps3 because they didn't want people hacking into the cell architecture which they spent billions on.

they became so overprotective even their developers couldn't get a straight answer on how to code on the cell. so most devs jumped ship to xbox 360 which is why it didn't get many games.

>>15265714

Metal gear solid snake was an indie game developed on the net yaroze.

>>15265847

So they did what Sega did with the Saturn, only they did it deliberately instead of out of incompetence?

A lot of posts already covered why. Also, games weren't mainstream yet, so developers were able to focus on games and not interactive movie meme shit. Japanese developers weren't a dirty word back then. When CoD became popular and Activision jews were doing everything they can to demonize the Japanese media (although weebs didn't help things), the (((gaming media))) jumped on it.

No internet means you can't patch your games so you better fucking invest in quality control.

>>15265875

>>15265847

Wasn't the story that Sony deliberately made the PS3 hard to program for, because they wanted developers to spend all of their resources getting a game to work on the PS3, because of the big brand name PS3 had back then? It's so developers won't spend resources/money developing on the XBox 360, because the PS3 was thought to be "more popular", but instead it just pissed off all of the developers and they abandoned the system. Sony shooting themselves in the foot at E3 didn't help things much either.

It's why Mark Cerny said to go with x86 hardware, because it's easier to develop for/knowledge for how to program for that hardware has been around for so long, plus going from devkit to the system would take shorter time since it's x86 hardware and CISC code to x86 hardware.

I still miss RISC hardware on consoles. RISC has good shit going for it.

>>15265900

To add, they did this for the PS2 and it worked. Made it harder to program for, so developers would spend more time on the PS2 versions instead of say the Nintendo or Sega versions at the time.

>>15265895

>games weren't mainstream

Video games have been mainstream since the mid 80s. Everyone had NES, Master Sytem, Classic Game Boy, etc. Not to mention all those IBM, Dell and Macintosh PCs fucking everywhere since PCs finally became affordable.

>so developers were able to focus on games and not interactive movie meme

Movie games have been a thing since the 90s. See: 3DO, Sega CD, most MS-DOS games.

>>15264511

>How come the PS2 library was so much better than the PS3 and PS4 libraries?

Because PS3, and PS4 are set top boxes just like the Xbones.

>>15265303

>18 year millennial here who hates the new stuff and loves the old

Thanks for the vomit

>>15265926

<Not to mention all those IBM, Dell and Macintosh PCs fucking everywhere since PCs finally became affordable.

are u british?

>>15265935

>the nuMale doesn't know xir Apple "Mac" is short for Apple "Macintosh"

>>15265935

No, but thanks for reminding me. Of course there were also the ZX Spectrum(very successful in Britain) and the C64(very successful in mainland Europe).

>>15265926

They were still considered niche culture back int the 80's, 90's, and early 2000's. WTF?

>Movie games in the 90s

Those movie games from the 90's fucking bombed and were shit.

>Gaming on mac

Other than Myst, what the fuck did the Mac have?

>Those other computers

Games on PC back then were a smaller market and required a sound card like a Sound Blaster.

You forgot about games on the Commodore 64 and Commodore Amiga. Those were great.

>Most MS-DOS games were movie games.

You can't be this retarded.

>>15265982

>what the fuck did the Mac have?

Fucking

MARATHON

>>15265935

If he were British he wouldn't have mentioned the NES because it was never too popular there due to Nintendo not giving much shit about Europe and obscene prices.

SotC was great but does Ico involve stabbing giant beasts and roaming a cursed world?

>>15265926

Videogames did not become mainstream until 2009.

>>15266114

no, there's not enough action for you. stick to doom and halo

Sony killed videogames. PSX and to a lesser extent PS2 were only good because they stole third-party from Nintendo/Sega (rightful console manufacturers who actually created fun, interesting games), but once Sony killed them they had nobody to steal from, thus videogames died a gradual, downward-spiral death.

Could it be because it didn't really have competition in the market so all the devs worth mentioning worked on it? There was Nintendo but they're their own thing and the first Xbox came in a bit late and was shit.

>>15266703

Hasn't been true since the PS2 because all the PS3 exclusives got ported elsewhere and PS4 has no games.

>>15266722

>those PS3 games somehow never existed in the first place

>claiming the PS4 dont have anything too despite being alongside with the Vita, another platform where all the good japanese games were developed for

At some point, you gotta rely on your own experience than using cuckchan-tier memes

>>15266703

List 5 good Jap 3rd-party PS4 devs.

3rd-party is mostly irrelevant if your 1st-party is absolute shit, like Sony's is. If Nintendo vs. Sega had kept on after 4th gen gaming would still be great.

>>15266738

Reminder that the playstation only took off because Jewtendo didn't want to implement the Snes CD. And then they went on to make N64 cartridge-based as well, you can't say that's anything but retarded.

>>15265303

Get off this site and eat shit.

>>15266738

>3rd-party is mostly irrelevant if your 1st-party is absolute shit, like Sony's is.

But (especially japanese, the western side has certainly gone to the shittier around the PS3) third-party support was always the Playstation's strength, even more if you're actually into the niche genre.

It's one thing if you dont like games like EDF, Nioh, Deception (Kagero), Super Robot Wars, Fushigi 2hu, and many more among others but dont you guys try to claim that lie of "Sony killed videogames" as a whole truth.

I can shit on the PS4 over certain things like the paid online, the terrible OS, locking manuals on websites, focus on social media, etc but it does have games.

>>15266657

>killed videogames

>Literally clawed its way out of underdog status without anyone's help and crushed nintendo and sega by making a console that not only made development of games cheaper and more accessible for devs and consumers by popularizing superior CD technology, but also pushed videogames out of its joke-tier infamy

If it weren't for PS, the industry would've suffered another crash due to the terrible ideas nintendo and sega were pushing onto people.

Any argument you make on the contrary is utterly destroyed by the fact that Playstation outsold the N64 3-to-1. The sooner you accept it, the better.

>>15266773

It's always interesting when console people are acting as if the PC doesn't exist and never has.

Any argument you make in the direction of "nobody in my special needs class had one" are utterly destroyed by the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>15266744

Carts are based. Enjoy your awful load-times and easily damaged format, CDfag.

>>15266773

You make it sound like some random, no-name company managed to achieve the impossible by performing better than the competition. Sony is one of the hugest electronics corps in Japan, and the only reason they succeeded is because they got lucky Nintendo and Sega were experimenting with novel ideas that didn't exactly take off whilst Sony just played it safe and ripped off what works and could afford better propaganda by shilling their moviegames like MGS and FF7 to normalfags.

>>15266767

The point is Sony doesn't deserve getting any games. Actual gaming companies such as Nintendo, Sega, etc. however did, because they created some of the greatest videogames of all time.

>>15266792

>It's always interesting when console people are acting as if the PC doesn't exist and never has.

No one implied that. He specifically only mentioned the PS.

Also you need to know that PC wasn't really a proper substitute console to begin with until 1999, when dedicated GPUs entered the consumer market. They were built for serious work, weaker than any console and expensive.

>>15266799

>The point is Sony doesn't deserve getting any games. Actual gaming companies such as Nintendo, Sega, etc. however did, because they created some of the greatest videogames of all time.

>A company specializing in making hardware doesn't deserve getting games on their hardware because they don't make good software

Kek.

>>15266792

Mustards are always easy to spot, projecting their insecurity with a veil of superiority.

>>15266799

>based

Look, I like carts too, but at that time CD were just the superior choice in both storage capacity and production cost. You can't dispute that.

>>15264511

Exclusivity contracts that set the standard for years to come. Sony destroyed the industry with the PS1 and PS2.

>>15266792

We're not talking about PC, idiot.

>>15266799

>You make it sound like some random, no-name company managed to achieve the impossible by performing better than the competition

Which is exactly what happened. It pulled CD games right - something everyone was waiting for but was always fucked up because of embarrassments like the Sega CD and Atari Jaguar.

>Sony is one of the hugest electronics corps in Japan, and the only reason they succeeded is because they got lucky Nintendo and Sega were experimenting with novel ideas that didn't exactly take off whilst

What a polite way of saying nintendo and sega were doubling down on their multimillion dollar trainwrecks and trying to make people buy it, on top of strangling developers with their kiked megalomaniac control over which games people were allowed to make for them. I don't even need to mention the sort of shit sega was doing, it speaks for itself.

They marketed Playstation by showing its capabilities with developers everywhere and on its first day of launch, it had already sold over 500,000 copies. It brought freedom to videogames, and if it weren't for its existence, we'd all be buying nintendo brand cardboard to play mario #4768.

>>15266823

>PC wasn't really a proper substitute console to begin with

Ah, so is that why we didn't get a proper console port of Doom until 2005, and other PC ports like Descent and Populous were considerably worse on their console counterparts?

>>15266867

PC was nigh inexistent in the market until Doom made Windows popular in 1993, and then solidified when Quake came around. Before 2000, other than dominating FPS it left no legacy whatsoever, barring maybe Monkey Island.

>>15266877

There are loads of popular PC games before 93: Sim City, Populous, Test Drive, Elite, Might and Magic, Ultima Underworld, the list goes on. The 7th Guest was already forcing people to buy CD drives. Sid Meier was already a superstar by then. The PC market was huge before Doom. In fact, Doom's popularity is partly due to that, and its shareware release.

>>15266877

>PC was nigh inexistent in the market until Doom made Windows popular in 1993

t. millennial

>>15266877

Doom is a DOS game.

>>15266964

I said made Windows popular, not being released on Windows first.

Bill gates doubled down on his marketing for the port, hard.

The PS2's target market was white people and nips. That's why we got creative games like katamari, okami, rez, etc.. Then it became the niggerstation and those games had to go.

It's because of normalfags and the increasing cost of making games. If you want to make any real shekel when you're spending so much money on the production of a game, you have to pander to the increasing mass of normalfag gamers. And the average normalfag has shit taste.

>>15264777

Average 8/v/ thread.

>>15267006

Derailing threads with redpills, philosophical inquiries and technical blabber has always been a part of our imageboard culture.

>>15265982

>WTF

>spacing

I don't know what's sadder, that you haven't gone back to >>>/reddit/ or that in the last 7 hours no one told you to.

>>15266126

t. Gen Z retard who fellates shit from the 90s despite not being alive during that decade.

>>15266997

>rez

That was a fucking dreamcast game. Goddamn Soyny's are fucking stupid.

>>15266736

But all the good PS4 nip games were ported to other platforms or are in the process of being ported. Same with a lot of Vita games.

>those PS3 games somehow never existed in the first place

Means you can't use their existence to say how worth it the system is anymore, yes.

>>15267120

>But all the good PS4 nip games were ported to other platforms or are in the process of being ported. Same with a lot of Vita games.

>missing out plenty of other good games (such as Super Robot Taisen, IA/VT Colorful, Dungeon Travelers, Utawarerumono, Kagero, Taiko Tatsujin, etc) because of reddit mustard race shit

>having to deal with (((localizations))) especially with XSeeD, Aksys and NISA, on PC

And if you absolutely dont want to give your money to Sony, you can just buy shit second-handed and pirate the games too (albeit not on PS4 yet)

>Means you can't use their existence to say how worth it the system is anymore, yes.

It just makes you sound like an ungrateful cunt (or like a nigger) that completely ignores those systems still contributed in the creation of said games. Games like Vanquish and MGR may run better on PC but it doesnt change that they were PS3 titles first.

>>15267130

>confusing MS-DOS releases with Windows releases

wew lad

>>15265207

>thinking hating the dudebro crowd that oversaturated gen 7 with grim&gritty mmofps is having shit taste

CoDfags are oonly better than the walking sim crowd in the sence that they at least like games, bland and generic as they may be

and the PS2 was god

go back to cuckchan

>>15267152

>>confusing MS-DOS releases with Windows releases

>implying Windows is different from MS-DOS

Remember: Windows XP a 64 bit upgrade to a 32-bit patch for a 16-bit GUI shell running on top of an 8-bit operating system written for a 4-bit processor by a 2-bit company who cannot stand 1 bit of competition (but it's better than a Mac)!

>>15267152

The original subject, the one you couldn't forcefully steer away from was whether or not PC was popular, not when windows become popular you twit.

He was replying to the;

>PC was nigh inexistent in the market before Doom

>>15267130

>Wolf 3D

Kiked to death.

>Sim City

Kiked to death, dead since '07.

>Populous

Dead since '07.

>Wizardry

Sure.

>Ultima

EA-owned garbage.

>Might and Maigc

Killed itself.

>Wing Commander

Amalgamated into the trainwreck that is current Star Citizen, its "spiritual sequel".

>Duke Nukem

Killed itself multiple times over. Dead.

>Civilazation

Sure.

Other than RTS and FPS, it had little legacy left. Now kill yourself and your immediate family, you cockgobbling nigger.

>>15267176

By that logic everything is made by some faggot

>>15267176

Vidya confirmed to be for homos

>>15266703

don't be soynygger anon, like it or not nintendo is the console dominating in the library departament

the best soyny has to offer are generic not-walking sims like dad of boy or cyber blm

nintendo at least still focus on games

>>15267176

>implying a faggot could achieve anything other than chocking on a cock

Kys faggot

>>15267176

>>15267198

he's right you know

>>15267198

>>15267202

>getting caught id hopping

FAGGOT

>>15264511

>Is this because it's more expensive and risky to create games these days, or is it because game devs are just creatively bankrupt?

Both. Also probably because you can't make a game without having half of California offended nowadays

>>15267255

>If you're an anti-weeb goon, sure then

Shapeshifters take whatever form best suits their narrative.

>>15264511

because video games turned into just another segment of the entertainment industry since it costs a huge amount of money to make a big flagship game these days

publishers are thus incentivized to go with what makes more money rather than what's actually good

there's still talent out there (otherwise games like Nier: Automata or Nioh wouldn't exist), but it's being suppressed by publishers being gigakikes

the western gaming industry is an absolute disaster, though

the only games that are even vaguely good these days come out of eastern Europe and Japan

>>15267313

>the only games that are even vaguely good these days come out of eastern Europe and Japan

I got you pulling one of your tricks

>>15267320

right, could you repeat that in English

>>15267332

The ol' smuggle action, I see it.

>>15267348

I genuinely don't understand what you're trying to say

>>15267357

>>15267332

I think he's trying to say that you're shilling for eastern Europe and the nips.

Goon suspected.

>>15267428

remove the and, and you'll be on track. Goons don't like Japanese games, use your head not the buzzwords.

>>15267455

nice (((1))) and done

>>15267450

I know goons don't like nip games. How did my post >imply otherwise?

>>15267463

You're like tripping over the answer to the puzzle and it's kinda funny. You'll get it soon.

>>15267470

>that posting style

Ask me how I know you're a kike

>>15267476

Ask me how I know you're desperate.

RIP thread, derailed by kikes

daily reminder that firstly, jews are responsible for the degradation of gaming, secondly, that they pay people to shitpost here just to try and waste our time and thirdly that the only way to deal with shills is to point them out and move on with discussion.

/thread

>>15267510

Aww don't give up anon, we have to continue discussing how the industry is doomed and how things will never be the same and never understand why things worked as they did during the 6th generation and aren't working that way any more. We have to keep crying about a crash that'll never happen.

>>15267510

>>15267528

>>15267534

Go samefag somewhere else or collude on your shitty discord if thats the case

how the market operated at the time was a factor but i'd chance a guess at tat game development wasn't as rigid back then and left more room for experimenting while the modern market is much lower risk because making a game takes so much more manpower in comparison

>>15267187

You were asking for PC games that mattered before 1993, whats your point? A lot of console franchises went into the memory hole/became shovelware over a decade later too.

>Amalgamated into the trainwreck that is current Star Citizen, its "spiritual sequel".

Freelancer was the spiritual successor, Star Citizen is a cautionary tale of what happens when whales and crowdfunding go too far.

There were more companies around to make video games. It was cheaper to make video games and since there were actual professional teams around it wasn't indie-shit of re-inventing the wheel by making shit Snes-look-a-like games either.

Oh and the PS3 didn't have good games until 2-3 years into the life cycle.

>>15266997

It's called the essence. Compare the white people playing COD/Fortnite to the days of 3A, 1.6, Unreal.

To anyone wondering why gaming today is such shit, this is a must watch, if you are a game designer, it is an obligation. Must indies with the exception of a few are shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPqwDGXxLhU

>>15267831

Meant also to reply to this dumb nigger too: >>15267152

Doom AND Doom II were fucking DOS games first. Fucking hell, this isn't some hard to verify information. Goddamn where do you stupid niggers come from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom_II

>>15267166

impotent cuck pretending to be from here. The only ones using dudebro as if it was dismissive (instead of the compliment that it is) are redditors and other subhumans.

>>15267722

Always pirate content. Never give views to any channel.

https://invidio.us/watch?v=jPqwDGXxLhU

>>15264622

The ps2 was a great console because it had more third party support than either the Saturn or the Xbox. They had that support because of: Nintendo's Jewishness (the failed Nintendo/Sony crossover console that ended up becoming the Phillips cdi), an easier dev environment than the Saturn (not easy, just 'easier'), and because Microsoft was an unproven console maker back then. Sony is still a shit company that I would never support, simply because of what they did to lik-sang though

>>15268178

dumbest post in the thread, big surprise it's from a TORpedo

>>15264511

It was the last of the golden age is why. Golden age of gaming is console gens 4-6 as well as PC gaming between those years. What came afterwards was cancerous elements that killed gaming. 3rd console gen I see more as a revival of gaming than the real golden age.

>>15268220

No u r

>jewtendo just shut down emuparadise

This is the future Playstation saved us from back then.

Death to shitendo and every single one of its fanboys.

>>15270199

What are you talking about?

>>15270207

Do you have brain damage? Re-read the post.

>>15270207

See >>15269882

>>15270199

>>15270225

>>15270225

To be fair, you could have linked to the thread on it, even if it's liable to sit at the top of the catalog all day today.

>>15270271

Cheers.

Honestly didn't know people still used that trash website outside of nabbing semi-obscure OST uploads from the forums.

>>15270290

>from the forums.

Wouldn't that have required a login or something? I'm just saying, because I remember seeing content that had been relegated to their forums, like Wii games, locked behind a registration to access.

>>15270319

There was often an active/valid account on bugmenot for their forums thankfully.

>>15270332

Huh, I wasn't aware. I guess that doesn't matter at this point though.

>>15265118

I've always thought of it as 94 to 04 but yeah you're right.