289e29 No.15199464
What is your stance on Piracy, /v/?
If you do engage in it, why so? To access games that companies do not provide anymore? To test games to see if you'll like them before officially buying without having to waste money? To prove a point about the uselessness of attempting to stop it? Or just because you want free games?
If you don't, why not? Do you believe games you enjoy should be rewarded? Are you uncomfortable with the idea of taking something through means considered "unlawful"? Is it simply too much of a hassle, or that you don't know how?
01749b No.15199475
>>15199464
Die in a fire landlubber
18e5d1 No.15199478
>>15199464
Why are you speaking as if piracy is some hobby, and not just means to get a game you wanted?
de39b8 No.15199484
Brave did nothing wrong. When companies constantly fuck you in the ass for being a "potential pirate" anyone with an ounce of shelf respect ends up telling them to fuck off.
6ee945 No.15199489
Because I live in a poor third-world shithole.
I actually buy way more games than the average faggot here who think paying for games is a senseless waste of money.
58b8a4 No.15199490
You came to the wrong board motherfucker
5e6016 No.15199491
when I can get something for free or get the exact same thing by paying, I get it for free
16dcdb No.15199507
>>15199464
There's no morality in piracy. Person decided to make data publicly available. I downloaded that data because that's my alternative instead of buying it. That's useful to me because i may or may not enjoy the data for a long time worth the money, or i want to use that money elsewhere where it has more use to it.
That's fucking it. If it was a book - nobody would complain, only a book factory, and it can be valuable piece of data, if it was a bread and fish copied - only jewish merchant in ancient israel would complain.
1b5ac9 No.15199521
Because I'm a poorfag even by the standards of my second world country and I have more important things to spend my money on. I would support the companies I like if I had the disposable income to do so.
a36c5d No.15199525
>>15199464
And faggot OP is nowhere to be seen.
561c84 No.15199529
>>15199491
This is a really normalfag-tier answer.
Good reasons to pirate:
>The developer is a sjw
>It's an ancient game and the developer won't get the money anyways
>They don't sell the game anymore
>The game is shit, and you want to see how bad
>You don't want to use steam
>You're poor
e6996a No.15199530
>>15199484
>Brave did nothing wrong.
And he ends up being Uni's personal gun in the end. Then it leads to this.
01749b No.15199534
>>15199529
>moralfagging about piracy
e86356 No.15199536
>>15199529
>This is a really normalfag-tier answer.
>Implying normalfags pirate
561c84 No.15199539
>>15199534
No, but normalfags have this mentality, and would if they could.
9a2737 No.15199540
I pirate everything before I buy, I never buy on blind faith or the word of others.
289e29 No.15199541
>>15199475
>>15199490
I didn't mean any disrespect. I simply read the Denuvo threads and the one on Switch piracy and felt like making a thread about the topic and expand my knowledge.
>>15199484
>When companies constantly fuck you in the ass for being a "potential pirate" anyone with an ounce of shelf respect ends up telling them to fuck off
I'm aware certain forms of DRM end up hindering gameplay (like the aforementioned Denuvo) but what other practices do companies do to combat piracy that end up screwing everyone over?
>>15199525
I'm still here. Sorry for not immediately getting back. I know that (1) and done is a bad practice for discussion.
561c84 No.15199544
6a40ce No.15199546
I wouldn't be able to buy the things that I pirate even if I wanted to.
5e6016 No.15199550
>>15199529
>This is a really normalfag-tier answer.
yeah see if care
01749b No.15199554
>>15199541
>I didn't mean any disrespect
seriously
>>>/out/
904533 No.15199557
>>15199464
Because it's free and as a bonus it's less of a hassle then buying it.
e6996a No.15199559
>>15199541
>I didn't mean any disrespect.
We don't give a single fuck about disrespect. Lurk moar or go back to reddit if you do.
561c84 No.15199562
>>15199550
Of course you don't, you're a normalfag.
de39b8 No.15199573
>>15199541
>what other practices do companies do to combat piracy that end up screwing everyone over?
On Vita the overpriced proprietary memory cards, needing a program on your pc to backup data and not being able to backup a save without backing up the whole game.
Ps4's OS is so closed you couldn't even set a background from a pendrive until a recent update.
6280a1 No.15199574
>>15199534
>Don't buy (game)
>"Hey, why don't they make games like (game) anymore?"
120c67 No.15199578
How many times are we going to have this thread?
d49f91 No.15199579
>>15199529
>moralfagging about piracy
If you want to pirate for moral/ethical reasons then do so. Don't grandstand like a fucking faggot though.
e6996a No.15199583
>>15199578
Every time a moralfag tries to invade and fails. So every day during summer.
36128e No.15199588
>>15199571
>>15199574
>give us your money goy, we'll fix it
I gave them money a long time ago and do you know what happened?
They went to shit anyway.
561c84 No.15199589
>>15199579
>S-stop, I want to be able to pirate games from devs I actually like guilt-free!
Don't be a pussy.
01749b No.15199590
>>15199574
>don't buy shit games
>developers keep making shit games anyways
WOW
bugged industry mechanics
d49f91 No.15199603
>>15199589
Where did I imply that you faggot? I'm saying pirate from whoever you want and for whatever reasons you fucking want or don't it's your choice in the end. Don't pretend that everyone else should also pirate for those same reasons though.
Again stop being a grandstanding faggot.
1ef9de No.15199606
>>15199464
you are the same piece of shit defending nintendo's jewry in the other thread aren't you!
>>15194405
8061d4 No.15199607
I do it because it's free.
289e29 No.15199619
>>15199606
Absolutely not. I don't agree with taking down Roms of old games when the company rarely ever sells them again. Especially not when the company is (((selective))) about the ones they DO re-release.
01749b No.15199638
>>15199607
this is completely unrelated to your post,but i hear Mark is looking for new jannies
725219 No.15199681
Companies do not sell a product I want to buy. I am not looking to spend my hard earned money on a license. When I can buy drm free media I do so. When I find a FOSS program that I get value from then I donate what their nonfree competition asks for. The tl;dr is I refuse to support bad business practices.
771665 No.15199696
I pay for games I want to pay for and pirate the games where I feel there's a reason not to pay for them because they contain something I don't want to support, such as Denuvo or not wanting to fund terrible people. I'm not very complicated: biggest hot take that I can give you is that I believe piracy needs to exist to preserve games that you otherwise cannot get your hands on anymore. Good luck finding a legit copy of Scratches, or to get to play Haunting Ground or Rule of Rose without needing to shell out a hundred bucks on eBay without emulation. There are several games out there that would've been lost to time if it weren't for piracy and ~illegitimate distribution~, and solely relying on Nintendo one day adding the game to the VC or for GOG to release it isn't viable.
9d0729 No.15199734
Support niche games, pirate normalfag games, DEFINITELY pirate old games.
51e666 No.15199746
>we have a general dedicated to the series that spawned OP's pic
The bitterness and impotent rage behind that script is almost tangible. It's the same feeling you get when you read a western developer's tweets, they even wrote it into the game just like when a western developer writes beating up a caricature of someone they don't like into the game.
e86356 No.15199759
>>15199696
so, is that rabbit a trap?
698594 No.15199785
>What is your stance on Piracy, /v/?
Copyright law is way too prohibitive, so piracy is inevitable.
>If you do engage in it, why so? To access games that companies do not provide anymore? To test games to see if you'll like them before officially buying without having to waste money? To prove a point about the uselessness of attempting to stop it? Or just because you want free games?
Aside from proving a point, a bit of all of those. Depends on the game.
But generally speaking, I pirate shit I don't care a lot about, and buy stuff I do care a lot about.
The real problem is that the modern game industry seems to be making games that are way more fun when pirated than bought.
There's countless games which have their gameplay altered drastically by patches, turning them in a shell of their former self.
There's countless games which lock content between grindan bullshit, forcing players to either pay up or waste countless hours.
There's countless games who's only value is the hype they produce before launch, only to release as a broken, buggy mess that is unplayable.
Of course, it goes without saying that almost every big studio game is filled with shitty intrusive DRM that makes the game both run like shit and prevent it from running in many situations.
If you want quality entertainment, you pirate it. Not because you want shit for free, but because it allows you to play the games how you want them, instead of how the developers try to milk you for every penny. For many games, buying the game and then downloading a cracked version will give you a better experience.
db9261 No.15199790
The overwhelming majority of developers and publishers do not deserve money. Piracy is perfectly alright in cases where you can't otherwise test a game to decide whether or not to spend money on it or when the devs are obviously pushing leftists agendas.
2660a1 No.15199798
My stance is that /v/ is too young and ignorant to know this class of 'piracy' began with bibliophiles at book fairs: lovers of literature condone the theft of books as gray moral area, when the thief is being commanded by the DUTY OF LOVE.
Such should be the meter for the legitimacy of piracy. Not for poorfags, because your time would be spent better getting a job. Not for niggers, because stealing just because is a form of parasitism. And kudos to all the brainwashed millennials who argue OVER THE DEFINITION of piracy (is copying theft bwuh???), when originally it was about actual murder and pillage at sea.
Screencap this post to spread some fucking culture.
000000 No.15199810
>>15199536
Maybe not a case in burgerland, but here in central/eastern europe pretty much normalfags did, hell, even my dad was torrenting and seeding like hell in mid-2000s, and he's doing it even now.
But yes, only a few normalfags were torrenting while I was attending high school. Most of gaymers only watched twitch, had shitty laptops and were not being mentally able to play any games that are not triple aaa/moba/mmo shit. Now that they all work, I think, they sure as hell bought ps4 pro but still spend most of the free time on twitch.
13941a No.15199826
>There is literally a group of people who will Pirate our games just on principle due to our use of DRM
<In that case we should keep putting in DRM
I don't know why we keep having these threads. Pirates will continue to pirate all games, buyfags will buy them regardless, and moralfags will justify thier piracy whenever they see some industry practice they don't like.
I think people like to pretend that pubs don't know that they are loosing a lot of good will when they put denovo in there games. Like they are completely ignorant to the massive backlash every time it happens.
With enough digging i'm sure people will find that the ceo's/stock holders of Denovo have some sort of relationship with the higherups at the big game publishers. Like maybe they go to the same masquerade parties or pizza places.
000000 No.15199827
The biggest indicator for success of a game is the money spent on marketing and the game not being completely broken. If these criteria are fulfilled, the games will sell well, even if all of /v/ were to boycott it. Not buying games has literally no impact on company decisions regarding what to make. Buying a game at a discount well after launch bears no meaning to the company either. That said, most AAA companies are jewish pieces of shit that stopped innovating in anything but graphics and kiked business models. I see no reason to support them.
000000 No.15199832
Also, copyright is a completely broken set of laws, so pirating old games/other media is a moral obligation from my point of view.
dfe36f No.15199839
Out of habit. In Poland the best way to get games in XXth century was to pirate it yourself or buy in on flea market on generic CDs with several ripped games on them or 168-in-1 cartridges for your bootleg NES (other consoles weren't really popular, and ironically enough even though everybody had bootleg NES, Nintendon't exist in Poland). Then we slowly got access to the Internet and used it instead. I think only in 10 last years mentality changed enough that not everybody has did it at least once.
bece14 No.15199840
If I were to make a game I would either release it for free or wouldn't give half a shit if people pirated it. but that's none of my business.
983880 No.15199844
>Free shit, woah!?
Go back.
790831 No.15199856
>>15199579
>complains about morals
>PUBLISHERS ARE GREEDY JEWS ~The Faggot
jew detected
7ace51 No.15199858
>>15199464
>Why
Until games include "and you" in the credits again.
0a61ac No.15199863
>>15199826
>I think people like to pretend that pubs don't know that they are loosing a lot of good will when they put denovo in there games. Like they are completely ignorant to the massive backlash every time it happens.
Most of the companies that use it are Japanese publishers who to this day still have no idea what the fuck they're doing when it comes to their PC ports or PC games in general. Of course they'll listen to the (((gaijin))) marketing team that's plying them with corporate gifts and telling them that they'll make all their games a success on PC.
376073 No.15199868
In a world where piracy is possible, piracy exist.
As more they try to make it inpossible, as more it gets real.
I didn't coin the term.
d49f91 No.15199872
>>15199856
You misunderstand. There is nothing wrong with being morally opposed to jewish publishers. It's faggots that need a reason to pirate and have to broadcast that reason to everyone else for validation and justification that are the problem.
f9b327 No.15199888
>>15199734
We should tattoo that on babies as a life doctrine.
c876d8 No.15199901
you can't steal what isn't real.
c876d8 No.15199904
>>15199901
paying for 1 & 0's is the most retarded thing ever. (((whoever))) came up with it, is a genius.
never paid shit for anything than hardware. never will. zero fucks given forever.
8c76c6 No.15199912
>>15199464
>ITT:
>What did he mean by this?
>Thoughts?
>He fell for the X meme
>Apologize
>Explain yourselves
>Well /v/?
>Who was in the wrong here?
>Mods are asleep post [actual degeneracy or false degeneracy to bait mods]
>Daily reminder that [baitpost]
>Defend this
>What's his name again?
>What the fuck was his problem?
>Was he/she right /v/?
>Prove [him/her] wrong
>IT'S TIME
>Name a [character with obvious discussion probing] better than X Protip: you can't.
>Why does this trigger /v/ so much? [obvious faggotry]
>/v/ BTFO
>Would you? [some fag or waifu]
>Is he "our" guy?
>He/she did nothing wrong!
>Will you buy [waifu or husbando's] game?
>Buy [waifu or husbando's] game.
>Casual filters
>Convince me to NOT buy this game.
>Claim your [game series]-fu
>Find a flaw
>s m h t b h f a m.
>How is your video game going /v/?
>Now that the dust has settled, can we all agree that it was shit?
>It's [Current year] (paraphrasing of stop being a bigot)
>What were they thinking?
>I'm glad we can all agree on this [something we all are going to have different opinions of]
>How did we go from this…to THIS?
>JUST
>Hold me, /v/ros. How do we fix this?
>Redpill me on X
>What was his/her endgame?
>WE
>HE
>What are some games that let you be[some faggot minority]?
>What are some games that do [faggot minority] best?
>Was it kino?
>What games allow me to play as [faggot minority]?
>Just bought this. What am I in for?
>What are some games that let me do this? >Name 1 (ONE) good game
>What went wrong?
>Why is this allowed?
>We trigger the [community].
>Are ya winning son?
>wtf i love/hate [thing] now.
>Will this save the gaming industry?
>So this…is the power…of [platform] woah.
>I'm literally shaking right now.
>[Community] btfo, on suicide watch.
>Can we get one of these threads going?
>NEVER EVER.
>I want to ____ X!
>It's not fair!
>Is this any good?
>Can any video game character beat [character]?
>LOL.
>[obviously non-vidya thread]Keep it vidya.
>Really makes you think.
>X is cute cuuutee
>There is no perfect/good ga-
db89c3 No.15199921
>>15199464
i buy games because im an achievement whore and fell hard for that simple trick. Achievements are awesome. Don't ask me why.
8c76c6 No.15199924
>>15199921
>obsessed with pointless achievements
2037c8 No.15199954
>>15199464
Why pirate? Pragmatism, I own a PC, that's all the reason one needs, the means to pirate exist by the publisher's hand. As soon as it was put on disc and sold the information contained therein was in the public sphere weather the devs/law/(you) like it or not. Also after being burned enough times I am not about to waste the pittance I earn on the shit they wetly fart out into our collective face on a daily basis.
460b0b No.15199958
>>15199529
Rather than looking for reasons to justify my piracy, I default there and then consider good reasons to justify buying it
82d0e0 No.15199962
I'm too lazy to get a job and just want a game to play It's not all that harmful though, especially with all the money grabbing tactics companies show today.
There's enough people on reddit and 4chan to keep companies afloat
07a722 No.15199977
>>15199798
>Screencap this post
How about you fuck off you narcissistic prick
>>15199901
A short, sweet and down to the point argument that is 100% correct.
Now thats how I like it.
d4f6d0 No.15200004
Currently it's a necessary evil, so necessary that it's hard to even call it evil. If the industry was in a better state, maybe I would have any moral problems with piracy, but as it's stand currently you can trust no one, and I don't feel that anyone deserves your money.
>That pic
Are there any video games that reference piracy in such a way but do not portray it by a strawman to be beat up?
90759a No.15200011
If a game isn't worth buying it isn't worth playing. This means I don't buy too many games these days, but the ones that are actually good, I want to support. I don't get why people pirate so much shit. Are you that starved for entertainment you'll consume complete trash just to have something to do?
b845f1 No.15200013
4377d3 No.15200023
nice move FBI
nice meme spacing btw
d49f91 No.15200024
>>15200011
What if the game is good, but marred with an awful translation and that a fan patch corrects? What if a game was chopped up into multiples DLCs? What if you just don't want to pay for shit? Or a game can be decent but way too overpriced for it's quality.
e8ff45 No.15200029
>>15199464
Pay if you think the product is worth the price and there's nothing degenerate about the message or developers, pirate or don't play it otherwise. Outside of this stance are mostly jews and huehues. Both side of the message are true, but the means you have determines your power to support one type of game over another, helping shape the future of games made and to be released.
e509f9 No.15200044
Technology evolved with the introduction of the ability to copy and share things without disrupting the original.
This should have ushered in a new paradigm about how we support and sell digital art.
But instead, lawyer magick scrambled to catch up.
I just assume at this point that most developer software tool prices are jacked up to compensate for piracy.
I'm an aspiring artist but I can't afford to throw racks at fruityloops or photoshop
e6194c No.15200050
VPON THE DAY OF RELEASE WE SHALL PLVNDER IT
90759a No.15200052
>>15200024
>What if the game is good, but marred with an awful translation and that a fan patch corrects?
Play in the original language. You CAN learn Japanese (or other languages).
>What if a game was chopped up into multiples DLCs?
Has a game ever been good that gets this treatment? If it's legitimate post release content that wasn't just taken from the base game and is substantial, I don't see a problem with supporting it. Those are rare but do exist, like with Grim Dawn. If a game is designed to nickel and dime you with DLC/microtransactions then I wouldn't even play it for free.
>What if you just don't want to pay for shit?
Pirate.
9c5dfc No.15200064
How do I get free games?
can I download them, like on a website?
Isn't that illegal?
660353 No.15200084
I pirate all my games, the AAA ones always turn out to be putrid shit made by talentless hacks, there are some hidden gems here and there and some indie games turn out to be pretty good. If the price is right then I buy them.
As a whole I hate the modern videogame industry and I hope those shekelgrabbing fucks from big companies that have gone from making paid expansions, to DLC, to season passes to fucking lootbox lottery shit become homeless, get aids and die.
b9afd8 No.15200086
>>15200064
only bad boys like us can get free games, nerd.
6a27ef No.15200101
>>15199464
>What is your stance on Piracy, /v/?
Lurk 5 years
76883d No.15200186
Every developer should put copies of their games with screamers on them and clog the usual channels where pirates get their games, including putting hacker scene group´s name on the title.
Let the pirates play for over an hour, then put a screamer on display and erase all his saves.
That and make the download 150+ Gb of the game for legitimate users and pirates by clogging in dummy files and uncompressed sounds and textures..
000000 No.15200204
6cb179 No.15200224
>>15200186
>putting screams on priated versions
a4ca61 No.15200300
>>15199464
Nice datamining thread you've got there.
000000 No.15200377
>>15199464
Entertainers and artists must never be rewarded. They all turn into leftists sooner or later. Enslave them first and get whatever good products they create. Leave them to starve to death.
185baa No.15200416
>>15200300
I just added "User ID:a4ca61 doesn't like Jews or datamining" to my database.
8b1aeb No.15200422
why are piratea these days such faggots? You losers have been pirating "for a cause" for over a decade and have nothing to show for it. Just admit you want free shit, losers.
0315c9 No.15200427
1a459c No.15200428
>>15200422
>Just admit you want free shit
Yes. Isn't that why anyone pirates?
487105 No.15200455
>>15199921
Every single achievement can't be unlocked by editing one single file. It's a well know practice for many e-dick measuring faggot on consoles and on pc.
You got babozed my friend. Your shiny pins worth jackshit. No matter how many time you spent to get them only one faggot enough to calm you as a cheater and your collection will be a display of shame to you.
by the way you just unlocked a new achivement, yes right now! I award you with the badge of "good goy" (requestments to unlock: fall for cheap marketing tricks and lose insane amount of money and time) Bravo!
bf0b76 No.15200494
>>15199464
First, you assume that intellectual property favors creators. It doesn't, the vast majority of IP-derived profits go into the pockets of the corporate entities that own them through work for hire contracts rather than being distributed to your favorite developers. And talent isn't valued, it's churned and stomped into dust so you can count on the majority of a dev team's talent being out of a job within a few years of release.
Second, "piracy" is a service problem. Offer games perpetually on digital sale on a relevant platform at a reasonable price and the problem disappears. Publishers, here's a hint: if you want abandonware to go away, stop fucking abandoning your ware.
bf0b76 No.15200504
>>15200186
All well and good until GoG repackages it and sells it as the real deal.
bba9c5 No.15200505
if i can get a thing for free fully functional im going to do it. no matter how much work the developers put into it and how little they got for it.
im torrenting your memes as we speak.
103cac No.15200529
If the free version of the product is higher quality and downloads quicker, why would I not get it? That's my experience with piracy - downloads faster than Steam's official servers and doesn't have any DRM to bog the performance down.
Similar cases for Nintendo and their shit localizations. It might take a bit longer to install then than just buying it, but it's a product of vastly better quality if I use a fan translation.
281fd2 No.15200545
>>15199529
>my reasons > your reasons
Even if anyone were to listen to your dumb bullshit, your post is absolutely pointless. Not to mention normalfags don't pirate, like others said above.
Also, I noticed a lot of "piracy = stealing" bait lately, more than what's normally posted. What's up with that?
The only use I'd see for this thread is as a containment thread for dumbass piracy bait, otherwise its the same fucking discussion that's been had on the board over and over and over again.
Why do we need a piracy dedicated thread when there's piracy discussion on every thread already?
34e9a7 No.15200559
>>15199759
I'm fucking tired of traps at this point. It's one of the most used tropes at the moment and I am tired of hearing people memeing about how traps aren't gay to deny every logical reasoning.
c67793 No.15200645
I spent over a thousand bucks over the years on video games. I'm going through my backlog and once I'm complete I will start to pirate everything. I'm trying to retire early in life and I can't be assed to budget an entertainment budget. Gotta be cheap as fuck if I have any hope of being retired in my 50s.
f67a56 No.15200666
>>15199464
at one point it was because I was poor as shit. then when I got money, it was to test the waters. now there isn't anything worth pirating. at this point I'd pirate till the market gets its head out of it's ass with denuvo and always on being complete trash in terms of slowing down and dumbing down the products I'm paying for.
bba9c5 No.15200697
a39b06 No.15200710
Why do you care? Kill yourself.
2a371f No.15200743
>>15200559
traps is still bitter than weebshit tilde shitposting
4d8505 No.15200781
>>15199464
piracy exists coz games are sold for more than they're worth. the most I pay for a game is $30 and even then, i pirate first to see if i'd like it since they never show meaningful gameplay in trailers these days, so you can't judge and there are no longer demos.
fcd778 No.15200803
>>15199464
fuck off you data mining faggot.
1b9de5 No.15200823
>>15200186
This would work for about a day before someone cracked the legitimate non-screamer version.
Pirates always win tbh
9c5f60 No.15200837
>>15199464
>Piracy
You mean filesharing. And no, there is literally nothing wrong with filesharing. Making copies isn't stealing.
a4ca61 No.15200875
>>15200837
But you don't own the games you buy goy.
1a47e2 No.15200897
>>15200875
>being this jewish
you own nothing, kike. we own you.
dd0169 No.15201236
>>15200897
He's being ironic, dumb fuck.
fc994a No.15201323
I pirate because I feel like it and nobody can actually stop me from doing it.
bba9c5 No.15201331
>>15201323
some nazi finna get dabbed on
566e5a No.15201341
>>15201331
>>15201329
Summer came early this year
a74531 No.15201349
>>15201341
More like summer is in full force
c60571 No.15201362
>>15201341
>>15201349
>muh summer
Oh man, is this were I bring up the fact that Moot said numbers on cuckchan were never effected by seasons and posting numbers?
Get a fucking job.
e9eea8 No.15201370
>>15201362
>believing anything joot had to say
Summer sure hit hard this year
e93b7f No.15201373
>>15201362
Thank god mootles never lied to anons. Ever.
c60571 No.15201378
>>15201373
>>15201370
Double posting one sage, one not, jew boy is angry. Back to the oven kike boy.
efd040 No.15201380
>>15199464
I believe in voting with your wallet, that said I feel that piracy is a means of playing games without voting. This way you can try games like DmC that look like shit but you wanna try anyway. I personally don't pirate games since I don't buy bad games nor do I play them. Why would I waste my bandwidth on the new Ubishit that's even more broken than the last Ubishit game? That said there needs to be some way for pirates to play with other pirates, especially in a game like Titanfall 2 where the game itself is bloody amazing but the online community is fucking dead because EA is too stubborn to put their games on steam like everyone else..
efd040 No.15201386
>>15201362
>Believing anything moot says
Summer is just an excuse for people to shitpost, despite the numbers remaining similar the summer meme is real.
c60571 No.15201389
>>15201386
>reddltspacing
lol
>>15201380
>voting with your wallet
kikes most love you.
6a3e19 No.15201393
Jesus Christ pirated fish & bread. Piracy is covered as OK by my religion.
e9eea8 No.15201394
>>15201378
What is the point you're even trying to make you sperg, that you came here for summer and you suck moot's jew dick? How about you head back to >>>/cuckchan/ where you can be cancer there all you want
d6cc24 No.15201401
The real reason why publishers don't like piracy is because they don't want people who don't like their game enough to pay for it to play it and tell people what they think. Every frothing retard who preorders a game is going to love it and say it's the greatest thing ever. Someone who pirates Mass Effect Andromeda for the lulz and wants to see how shitty it is is going to tell everyone why it's a shitty game.
fb2030 No.15201420
>>15199464
Were someone to offer you a free six-pack of your favourite beer, would you honestly turn them down?
acbfe3 No.15201425
>>15201420
>drinking beer
I agree with you though. I pirate games because I want free games. Plain and simple.
fb2030 No.15201427
>>15201425
Spirits are for faggots.
a528e7 No.15201429
>>15201427
>no spirit pleb
do u even regenerate?
4cabbe No.15201432
>>15199464
Piracy doesn't harm if the pirate didn't had the intention o capability of buying the game in the first place
Because as stated nothing is lost
However if the pirate had the intention of buying but instead pirated, then is an actual loss
Why people do so and why not is already stated by op
Not complicated but /v/ is always so melodramatic to itself
d8f6f8 No.15201439
>>15199464
if it's pirateable, I pirate it. if it's good, and if it's not been inflated in price to a disgusting level by collectorfags if it's physical, i'll pay for it. pretty simple. there are certain developers i simply won't give my money to - the fags who made Subnautica, Paradox, EA etc - but anyone else I treat it basically as a demo because there's virtually no other way to try before you buy these days
d964fa No.15201614
>treat video games like garbage that should be free
>gets bitchy when games are made for people who value them
this fucking place
fcd778 No.15201627
>>15201362
>believing an actual cuck
You're not helping your case anon.
2a6685 No.15201651
>>15201614
Get the fuck out if you don't like it dipshit.
5775da No.15201679
Piracy harms video game developers because people find out that the games are shitty and then don't buy them.
1a45a1 No.15201684
That someone can not pay for a product and get a better experience than people who DO pay for the product is the sign of a bad business model. This is why Steam became a billion dollar platform - it transformed the market to be far closer to the convenience of piracy. No serial numbers, no leaving the disk in the drive (or disk at all), etc. It made a move against piracy not by attacking pirates but by appeasing the consumer. And yes, I know there's going to be physicalfags complaining that you don't really own the product (you didn't, even with disks) or that there's no collection on a shelf to gawk at. These were minor losses compared to the convenience of digital distribution. It was also better for developers because the marginal costs were trivial compared to physical distribution. You don't even need a publisher anymore, technically speaking. (Publishing is a whole different game now.)
However, this model does not go far enough. There is no reason that the consumer should pay the same prices for physical distribution. The profit margins are ridiculous. It costs nearly nothing to sell someone a copy of the game. Developers cut in and say, "That's because the costs are incurred during development. We charge so much because we need to cover what we already spent." Guess what? Not my problem. That's your business model and I've seen through the value illusion.
I see two options: Pay $X for your game now or pirate it for free. You put Denuvo on it? Now it's pay $X for your game or wait an unknown amount of time to pirate it for free. Confession: I paid full price for MGSV on launch. You know why? I didn't want the game spoiled. I knew it would take a while for a pirated copy to come out. That's time I'd have to spend isolated from the Internet. Even if I knew it was only a couple weeks, that was worth $60 to me. This is a conversation that never gets heard with the simplistic dichotomy of "piracy as virtue" and "support the developers" we see here.
We solved this problem centuries ago with patronage. If you want games to be art, why not use an artist's business model? You get a stipend to make quality products and then you release them for free. You stop making quality products, you lose customers. You take too long to make a product, you lose customers. Simple as that. Free riders no longer provide a risk to the profitability of your product. Granted this business model does require name recognition, but simple games are so easy to make that you could get your name out with Flash-tier minigames - just enough polish to show that you have an understanding of fun gameplay.
d554bd No.15201786
piracy is cool, but piratefags are literally niggerfaggots.
c47e94 No.15201845
>>15199464
>What is your stance on Piracy, /v/?
I pirate games that are excessively expensive for what they are and then buy them when they're at an acceptable price. If a game is loaded with DLC, it probably falls into this category. I also pirate anything with invasive DRM or DRM that harms performance (Denuvo). I will not buy a sub-optimal experience when I can get a better experience for no cost.
I do not pirate games that are bad just to make some statement. Anyone who plays games they know they will not like is a fucking idiot no matter how much they spent on the game. I have shit to do and places to be. This includes games that are otherwise decent but include propaganda. I have too many games to play to waste time playing propaganda. I intentionally avoid anyone who pirates because a game is shit/SJW because I don't fraternize with people who do nothing but play shit/SJW games all fucking day and I don't give a shit whether they pirated it. Seriously, if you do this, kill yourself. There are decades of games out there that you've never played that you'd like. Why would you ever intentionally waste your life playing shitty games? Because they're new or popular? What a shitty fucking reason.
Other than that, I pirate games that might be good but are extremely risky decisions before I consider buying them. I actually played a demo of an older game and then decided to buy it, just a month ago. I miss when demos existed. It was Grand Ages: Rome. I'll also pirate anything that's completely detached from the people who made the game. I'm not going to buy some 20 year old game where the entire team and company who made them went under just so some modern company can recoup the fees they spent getting the rights to it.
c2b9f7 No.15201859
Big devs no longer put their heart and soul into what they create.
When you make something that has no purpose other than lining your wallet, why should I "support" that cause?
It is a dumb mistake to take the soul out of your work when people have the option not to pay for its outcome, and yet still have it.
As such piracy lets you enjoy the bits that people who actually like videogames put into it, without funding the other 90 feminist cucks and the shitty company they work for, in the case of pirating this type of game.
"Money is the way the world works!" is truly an annoying argument. People used to make beautiful things because they are beautiful, and buy them for the same purpose. To have a trade should be a passion that funds itself, not a way to fulfill passion for money.
This is also why people with shit taste (it's cheap and says it's x so i'll buy it!) quite unironically help make the world a worse place.
448140 No.15201870
Does anyone have the sauce on this image? I can't find anything other than this shit thumbnail
9c5f60 No.15201951
>>15201870
Legend of Zelda:^)
d02495 No.15201958
Any game worth playing is worth paying.
Any game that manages to tick me off bad enough to not want to buy it is not worth the time to play it pirated.
**Ancient systems I'm ok with pirating for, especially since it's a nightmare to try and hunt down cart rippers.
58c3b5 No.15202012
>>15199464
If you need to ask, then you obviously aren't from around here. Lurk for a while instead of asking such stupid questions.
>>15201958
>people are still posting my shitty Oekaki recolor
I don't even remember when I did this. Still, it makes me glad someone thought it was funny enough to save.
d02495 No.15202072
>>15202012
What doth oekakith
a0eaa8 No.15202475
>>15199464
Piracy's just a thing that happens.
If piracy damages your sales that badly, you should look into making better games then, since with the exception of the NEETest NEETs, people are generally willing to pay for games they enjoy.
1601ca No.15202775
>>15199464
Here, have another (you), faggot. Games today
>are sold with a fuck ton of trash DLC
>are cut into "episodes" and sold piecemeal
>are filled with lootboxes and other microtransactions
>are sold with season passes that expect you to pay in advance for shit you've never seen and may not even want, and that may not even cover all of the additional content
>are sold as editions at different price points; buy the base game for full price, or you can buy the "Deluxe" edition that comes with the season pass for 10 dollars more, or you can buy the "Gold" edition that comes with the season pass + some cosmetics, exp boosters, or other bullshit that nobody needs or should give a fuck about for 20 dollars more
>are tailor made to be played while always online and won't even let you play the game unless you have a constant internet connection
>are wrapped in anti-tampering software that can reduce performance and prevent the community from altering the game in the name of enhancement
Not only this, but in addition to this bullshit, the industry today
<is only interested in selling you rehashes, remakes, and HD editions of older games
<cares more about marketing than making new and interesting game mechanics
<will do anything to save a buck, and that includes reusing assets, releasing bloated games with poor performance and increasingly larger file sizes, and other bullshit
<is filled with retard developers or "industry experts" who have an unwarranted sense of self importance and who spend more time on twitter talking shit and generally being obnoxious than they ever should
<is hellbent on catering to what they consider to be "good" political messages instead of just ignoring politics all together.
<is surrounded by a subculture that is filled with e-celebs and their idiot followers, retarded "games journalists", and a legion of normalfags who just want to use video games as a backdrop for socializing instead of being legitimately interested in it as an enthusiast.
So, if I can get a pirated copy that I can use to bypass most or all of this bullshit, why wouldn't I? The publishers (and the ever growing and obnoxious general "community") are making it more and more difficult to give them money for a worthwhile product.
f14087 No.15202792
a978d7 No.15202896
I don't buy anything I don't have to. I have no moral rational because who do I have to prove myself to?
b878c1 No.15202993
Why do faggots need a reason to pirate?
It's free shit and i don't want to pay, simple as that.
Moralfags gtfo.
d0230e No.15203014
I don't pirate, like rewarding good work. Only buy very good games, try to get them on sale. Needless to say, I've spent less money on games in the last 5 years then I did every six months from 1990 to 2008.
fd229c No.15203030
>>15203014
i like to be rewarded with a sloppy blowjob
b6f13d No.15203051
>>15199464
HOLY FUCKING HELL YOU RETARDED NEWFAG, KILL YOURSELF.
05fa90 No.15203063
It's called unauthorized copying. Piracy is when you plunder a ship on the high seas. The problem with making laws against unauthorized copying when it comes to software, is that it goings against one of the core features of a computer from its inception: the ability to trivially replicate information.
27b347 No.15203387
Intelectual property is a retarded and jewish concept, as are patents. You can't possibly steal something that isn't scarce (can be copied infinitely) such as ideas or data. The only ones who profit from such a thing are patent/ IP holders (which doesn't mean they're the creators of it), and at the cost of slowing down the advance of technology and civilization in general. Doesn't sound that important when we're talking about videogames, but look at other areas such as medicine developing and important stuff like that, it's the same shit.
You bet your ass if/when we invent some means to infinitely copy food and end starvation in the world or something like that, some megakike will manage to limit access to that just so he can sit on it and profit for the rest of his life without doing anything. They'd patent breathable air if they could.
2b1e6c No.15203407
Companies don't respect my wishes, I don't respect theirs.
It's simple.
fd229c No.15203421
>>15203407
nothin personnel
47df4d No.15203432
>>15199464
shut up nigger against piracy
27afb4 No.15203433
>>15199464
>hurr durr BAIT and well-known cookie cutter thread
Probably because by buying you are stating that you are willing to back every single thing associated with that product, which happens to include
PEOPLE WHO ACTIVELY HATE YOU AND THINK YOU ARE HOLDING THE MEDIUM BACK
when in reality it's a bunch of assholes, faggots and whores who do nothing but talk big and barely put out, typically failing 99% of the way.
9f05a9 No.15203434
Why do we need this thread? Anymore anons talk about piracy in every other thread due to denuvo or shitty companies.
e492c6 No.15203437
>>15199464
outside of kids who can't get their parents to buy them the games they want I think it's a natural market force that indicates a problem with service or pricing
if your game is too expensive, people won't be able to justify the purchase but may still want to give it a spin, so they pirate it
same thing if they have a moral problem with or can't access the distribution methods (see Steam, or the Wii U where CEMU is now actually a much better experience than playing on the console itself)
I think if the standard price of new AAA games was $30 instead of $60 piracy would be virtually non-existent
000000 No.15203460
Impotent mod can't silence me.
>>15199464
Piracy is always good.
Companies are enemies of their own customers.
Artists and entertainers must never be rewarded. They will all turn into leftists sooner or later. Get everything from them and let them starve to death.
Always pirate. Never buy.
d964fa No.15204842
>>15203460
>board about entertainment
>says all entertainment needs to be destroyed
9b36ef No.15204948
>>15203387
>patent breathable air
c57f1d No.15204993
>>15201307
>Using a shit normalfag vine meme
Leave
c57f1d No.15205017
>>15204948
Why are people too dumb to edit out the watermark? It takes like 2 minutes in paint.
118a54 No.15205096
>>15204948
>He doesn't know about China's air market
e57acc No.15205108
>>15204993
>Jojo
>Vines
Choose one and then leave.
e16f77 No.15205549
If it has DLCs or any DRM bs such as denuvo I'm definitely pirating it, since if I actually paid for the game I would be paying to have an incomplete experience, or pay to get fucked by denuvo.
Other than that, I do pirate most single player games I play, unless the dev still releases free updates, for example stardew valley. Or when a game is for sale and you can get it for really cheap. For example, I bought sleeping dogs complete edition a few months ago for 3 dollars.
Aaaand, when I pirate a game and really enjoy it, such as Nioh. Bought it for the full price, guess it is the most expensive game I ever paid for. I'm definitely buying Nioh 2 too.
59d3b7 No.15205569
I think we should move away from a money based society to a credit based on. Everything is free online and you can choose what you want and credits are doled out by the government or company at the end of the week based on the contribute or downloads a certain work has. Those credits can then be used to purchase goods and services like any actual currency. It's like the next step for cryptocurrency so maybe we'll be one step closer to a Star Trek-like society.
e16f77 No.15205577
>>15205549
After reading all the shit flinging in this thread I just want to make it clear that this has nothing to do with morals.
First is basically getting more for free instead of paying to get a downgraded, incomplete for the game.
Second is when giving pocket change is more convenient than pirating it, also feeling like the game might deserve it.
Third is knowing my money is being well spent(Nioh) or paying not to miss on the patches that will keep coming(stardew valley), it also helps that I know my money is going towards financing someone that isn't into the shady dlc business.
ba2050 No.15205598
>An entire day later
>People are still responding to the stupid OP
59eec0 No.15205632
>>15201362
>People seriously think this guy isn't an actual shill trying to lax anti-newfag customs
You're the exact fucking reason why this place exists. Fuck OFF.
9ebcc8 No.15205688
Piracy, for the end user, doesn't mean jack shit. Nobody cares about end users pirating games. They care about distribution; it's just like narcotics in that regard. People who upload the games to usenet or via torrent.
The thing is that piracy is much less impactful than any illegal drug trade. Piracy numbers are inflated because of poor folks and folks that live in nations with ridiculous import laws, like Brazil or China, or Russia which practically has its own sphere of the Internet. These people were never going to buy the game and so there was nothing lost to their piracy. However, reports on piracy will lump them in because they usually involve someone intentionally putting a torrent of the game up and then monitoring the downloads.
Are there people who pirate games simply because they're lazy, or don't like the company, or any number of other "legally unjustifiable" reasons? Sure. Do we know how many there are? No. Is it worth the tradeoff to install shit like Denuvo just to prevent those people from downloading your game for a week? Probably fucking not.
>So is piracy good or bad?
Neither. By pirating a game, at most you are preventing that company from seeing a single sale, so it is a very questionable impact that is most likely superceded by a simple angrily worded letter to their sponsors. It's arguable that the extra publicity generated by piracy may actually turn out more sales in the long run, but nobody is studying that because companies like the ones who brought us SecuROM and Denuvo don't make money with those studies.
At the same time it isn't really bad either. It's no different than if you decided to not buy a game. The sole exception is Nintendo who are so unbelievably fucking retarded that they have allowed jailbroken 3DSes to download software directly from their servers for free, so they are footing the bandwidth bill there. A potential customer should feel free to pirate a game and then simply buy it later if they really like it that much, since they haven't caused any inherent harm just by downloading the software.
53be24 No.15205725
>>15199536
They do, very often actually. There's a reason so many fake piracy sites exist and why so many normalfag idiots get hit hard by malware and other viruses. Even if they aren't successful in doing so, they sure do try.
b53916 No.15205734
>neighbour has massive reaspberry patch
>never harvests the berries
>go out and get assloads of berries, make jam to last me the year
>meanwhile buyfags go to the store to buy some garbage with no flavour
d7a314 No.15205741
>>15205734
>making your own jam
This nigga knows what's up.
2f32f5 No.15205794
>>15199464
It's true that I have more appreciation for games I buy - if it comes with goodies or was worth the purchase. Neir Automata, certain fantastic visual novels, Shining Resonance Refrain, the Yakuza titles, Devil Survivor Overclocked (I played the UnDub and Amane's seiyuu sucks compared to Laura Bailey who can pull off two very different voices for different personalities in the characters), Souls games, Armored Core (everything past 4Answer is trash and even that is pushing it), etc just to name a few I really enjoyed buying.
Especially anything from MangaGamer, like Kara no Shoujo or Euphoria, but they do-up their physical releases anyway so it works.
However, when I see stuff like pics related I get angry. I don't want my money - or anything of me - touching these freaks. I don't want to support the company that's ruining DoA with a lolicon director who implies big breasts women aren't human. I don't want to support Memevolver Digital and its next private abomination against humanity. I don't want Sony. Need I say more? Just…Sony.
And Nintendo has proven time and again that it doesn't care about Western gamers, will let its American branch literally parade with Bug Chasers while ruining all the translations with absolute trashfires (except for Xeno2 which seems alright aside from a couple hiccups).
Even XSEED batrayed us when it was revealed how they occasionally made it harder for Jap devs by arguing and demanding edits and changes to the game because of cultural nonsense - like how Akiba's Trip 2 didn't have male-stripping until they lobbied for it apparently.
And don't even get me started on companies putting up a $400+ price tag on glorified Movie Maker programs. Are you joking? Why is a translation dictionary for your program running at almost a thousand dollars?
Plus don't forget those Nip companies who not only refuse to sell certain games in the West (which wouldn't be illegal, not talking about those) but also put DRM on there so they won't run on Western region pc. Yeah, what do you think I'm gonna do?
TL;DR I'm probably going to buy Death End Re;Quest and maybe Soul Calibur 6 (maybe Death Mark, too, but after what has been revealed about Aksys outsourcing and not properly editing their visual novel games AND what they did to Tokyo Xanadu ex+, well…) but I refuse to spend a dollar on Metal Max Xeno (unless the translation proves good, which is highly unlikely because of NISA but such rare oddities have happened before) or anything else Devolver or Nintendo put out.
Also,
IT IS NOT "PIRACY"!
SOMALIANS RAIDING YOUR BOAT WITH AK's RAPING YOUR WIFE PREGNANT WHILE SHOOTING YOUR SON'S EYES OUT IS PIRACY!
>>15199484
>shelf respect
Anon
c57f1d No.15205866
>>15205108
The meme got popularized by a dabbing squidward vine, now leave.
22d606 No.15205917
>>15205880
>>15205879
No wonder I thought it felt like a jumbled mess, the images are in the wrong order.
983880 No.15205938
>>15205734
That one big garden that is always picked clean on the street side by kids.
b41d4c No.15206105
>>15201679
>Piracy harms video game developers because people find out that the games are shitty and then don't buy them.
It negatively impacts marketing in a way that can destroy a company. Marketing dollars to sales is not 1:1. The company still relies on word-of-mouth to be profitable. People who pirate a game and say it is shit are the most damaging.
9ebcc8 No.15206907
>>15206105
It only harms shit games though. Solution? Don't make shitty games.
b3edf7 No.15206962
>>15205882
>Infy and Cap
boy I haven't spoken to these nerds in years
e4a3c5 No.15206994
>You want free game?
<There is a tons of free games over the net.
>You want to play a particular game that costs?
<You have to pay if you want to play it.
Now fuck off with your shit thread.
9b36ef No.15207095
>>15206994
i'll just continue pirating every game, regardless. do something about it, nigger.
e1064b No.15207102
>>15206994
But I don't have to
72f603 No.15207234
>>15207095
>calls others nigger
>steals things and tries to act cool about it
ebin
3db008 No.15207272
>>15199464
>If you do engage in it, why so?
Who the fuck doesn't engage in it?
Ever saved something from the interweb?
That's piracy.
Want something better?
Without a computer copying data from another computer there is no interweb.
Now that's we've established that legal FACT, you can either join up for rightful booty or go die in a fire with the other popinjays and the freshwater swabs that try to justify the unjustifiable using moral arguments.
YAAAR.
3db008 No.15207299
>>15207283
>>15207234
Pirates loot they don't steal.
Stealing is for niggers.
9b36ef No.15207520
>>15207234
software piracy isn't stealing, altho even if it was i'd still do it. buyfags, go back to reddit.
72f603 No.15207560
>>15207520
thats fine, but youre a nigger now
9b36ef No.15207569
>>15207560
>implying being a pirate is a bad thing
>implying being a pirate makes you a nigger
>how do you do, fellow gamers?
72f603 No.15207578
>>15207569
>being disingenuous and illiterate like a nigger
2f4245 No.15207582
I'm all for piracy, the problem is pirates are all massive faggots these days. If you self-identify as a pirate you're basically coming out as a flaming homosexual nigger.
9b36ef No.15207591
>>15207578
>says 'fine, but you're a nigger now' in reference to someone affirming piracy
>y-you're just being disingenuous!
there's a nigger in this conversation alright.
c4ffe5 No.15207611
>>15207591
i can imagine both of you being black and calling each other nigger
72f603 No.15207624
>>15207591
>calls others nigger but gets offended over the mention of the word nigger
>not a nigger
>brags about thievery
>not 200% nigger
>making up imaginary scenarios to chimp out about
>not 300% nigger
triple nigger! thats (you)
ae6ab1 No.15207644
>>15199464
If it's out of print or the original studio isn't receiving money for it, then i pirate it.
ef6924 No.15207658
I pirate cause I don't want to waste money on digital media. If it's a good MP game then I'll buy it.
9b36ef No.15207661
>>15207624
i never got offended at the word nigger, you dumbass. additionally, piracy isn't thievery, and you're full of shit.
ef6924 No.15207695
>>15207661
He walks into every piracy thread and calls everyone niggers. Why do you have to take the bait?
72f603 No.15207712
>>15207661
really? you sure are making a big deal about being called a nigger. something that doesnt bother anyone that isnt a nigger.
072e32 No.15207717
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
I pirate because i can, i buy to, because i can, there is some reasoning about it, but i really dont care about explaining anyway, so wherever.
2f26ca No.15207753
>>15207661
piracy, like theft is for niggers.
5ffb73 No.15207776
>>15199464
<do you really think those people can enjoy anything they get through underhanded means with all their heart?
Yes, yes we can.
021001 No.15207952
>>15199464
I always pirate. Always. If the devs are bros and/or I really like the game, or there are multiplayer features I really want, I might buy it.
This is also very convenient because I work on a ship for half the year. I have lots of downtime for vidya since I'm mostly there for emergencies. My ship has no internet. Anything that's online-only would be unplayable if I were to buy it, so I have to pirate even if I wanted to buy it (but if it's online-only, I don't want to buy it because fuck everyone who doesn't account for those of us without permanent internet connections).
fdaddc No.15207977
>>15199507
Jesus Christ- The original anti-semite and the original content pirate
2c7d4e No.15207998
>>15207977
<Oy vey, you wouldn't download that Religion, right?
>Not only would I download it, I'd make it FOSS
983880 No.15208736
>all these anti-piracy shills
72f603 No.15208797
>>15208736
>anti piracy
>not anti nigger
e9bf09 No.15208801
I only buy games made by white men that share the white men's values and have a large white family.
If not you're contributing to cuckoldry and the niggerization of the world
38b79b No.15208856
Piracy is only stealing if you get the source code. Without it, you don't have shit. You have just some 0&1s that you can't really do anything with but use, just play.
993971 No.15209829
>>15199464
>What is your stance on Piracy?
There's nothing wrong with copying and copyright is bullshit. plagiarism is not ok tho.
<1. conceptually, copyright makes no sense; it never made sense, and it never will.
Information, software, songs, images, the text in books, etc. are all non-excludable and non-rivalrous. It literally makes no sense to treat them as private goods (rivalrous, excludable) as copyright futilely tries to do. Whereas it's highly beneficial to society to allow people to resuse, share, and collaborate freely.
<2. practically, copyright is unenforceable (barring the establishment an orwellian surveillance state), counterproductive, and leads to massive losses in productivity and the opposite to the "advance of science and the useful arts (i.e. manufacturing techniques and related know-how)
-lawsuits are unaffordable to common people and cost millions in taxpayer money (i.e. your tax dollars are being used to enable Hollyjew kikery)
-orphan works just sit in a shelf collecting dust
-copyright jeopardizes the availability of out of print works, making it increasingly difficult and costly to find copies of old works
-tragedy of the anticommons goes unaddressed (rights to a work are distributed in numerous hands and a single right holder decides to hold everything back. Alternatively, negotiating with all right holders is so prohibitively time-consuming and expensive it's not worth trying)
-there's copyright trolling and extortion (e.g. send a letter threatening a bogus lawsuit to an ISP subscriber who purportedly downloaded and offer them a chance to "settle"), chilling effects (abuse DMCA takedown notices to silence criticism, or just put an overzealous bot that takes down anything it finds ignoring fair use)
-also there's vexatious litigation (i.e. sue someone to stall their work and/or bankrupt them (lawyers are not free))
-you can also refuse to license your rights, meaning right holders have a veto right on derivatives and adaptations, which is absolutely retarded.
<3. the kikes (e.g. entertainment industry, "IP" lawyers) always conceal the negative effects of copyright, misrepresent its purpose, and abuse it against of the interests of those it's intended to help (i.e. the public at large)
-copyright was (purportedly) created to help society advance. Today it is touted as some sort of welfare or payroll scheme for authors. All the while increasing production costs (licensing, acquiring rights)
-in fact, we have rent-seeking leeches whose only purpose is to collect royalties, buy rights, and sit on their ass while contributing nothing
-even worse, plenty of times authors themselves get screwed over, when they have to sign copyright assignments in order to get their work published, like in some academic journals for example
-copyright also fucks over the disabled. adapting works for the blind/deaf/etc. is against the law, especially if there's DRM involved (DMCA)
TL;DR
>copyright doesn't make sense. 1's and 0's are information. You can't own information, and you can't control it once it leaves your hands
>copyright basically achieves the opposite of its purpose, enables and encourages rent-seeking and opportunistic litigation, and raises costs (for everyone)
>people learn from and improve on what came before. copyright is oblivious to this fact and greatly impedes this, thus setting society back
>copyright fucks over the little guy: prosecution for copyright infringement is fucking expensive to conduct (tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars) and thus is usually only available to big players, and a big waste of billions in tax money per year
>copyright and current distribution models curtail consumers' rights. format shifting, backups, preservation, modding, buying/selling used, are all criminalized to increasing degrees (copying, derivatives, and circumventing encryption and DRM are illegal)
>therefore copyright is a load of bullshit and you shouldn't feel bad about 'pirating'. end of
27b347 No.15211433
>>15209829
This anon gets it.
7a8dee No.15211543
>>15208797
Why would you fund Operation Mockingbird?
221a97 No.15213485
>>15209829
>Shit thread
>Actually got a very good and informative reply
Thanks a lot, dear anon.
993971 No.15214673
>>15213485
>>15211433
Ironically, most of my arguments are copied from https://questioncopyright.org/faq and https://questioncopyright.org/promise.
They're uncomprimising anti-copyright walls of text that dispell common misconceptions about copyright, its origins and purpose (the events before and leading to the (((Statute of Anne)))), how copyright is a sham that was pushed by the Stationers, not authors, attempting to preserve their monopoly on publishing (and paying authors peanuts for the original manuscripts and keeping the profits to themselves), how copyright is holding back progress and failing everyone (authors included), how knowledge and old works stay confined in a locker gathering dust instead of being enjoyed and exploited to its fullest potential, etc.
27b347 No.15214743
>>15214673
This is actually very interesting anon. Thanks for sharing. People need to actually know that copyright doesn't benefit anyone but the (((publishers))).
435e2d No.15216268
>>15199464
In the past it was legal:
-To use drugs
-To drive a bike without a helmet
-To drive totally drunk
-To have slaves
-To fuck jailbaits
-On some places you could even pay to fuck employees (that were not sort of prostitutes, just common girls)
-To kill people, heck, you could kill anything that moves,,,including jews! (And boy they really killed a lot of them)
And now they want people to stop duplicating shit virtually for free… They really just want to spoil all the fucking fun… The world is doomed in the hands of the fucking jews… smh..
a463d1 No.15216311
>>15199464
I'm of the attitude that piracy isn't inherently bad/evil. I also believe that pirating a game/movie/whatever shouldn't really fall under copyright in so long as the person doing it isn't engaging in commercial activities with the item(s) in question. Right of first sale would seem to apply (as in first buyer has a lot of rights/ownership) and would imply that you should be able to do with the item as you wish, including copying and sharing it for friends/strangers.
That all said, that's a philosophical position of mine, regarding copyright as a concept and a legal term, and I don't really engage in piracy, because I'm not poor and I have a job.
As to your second question (if not why?), I choose not to pirate games because I want to support games devs who make good games, I like having the games in my steam collection and sharing them with friends/family and honestly, it's more convenient to just buy the copy and know it will work (especially if it's heavily discounted during a sale). Also, another big part is the refund system on steam. Now that I can try the game, I don't feel the need to pirate it to make sure it isn't utter trash/runs bad.
23fbe8 No.15216325
>>15207560
>>15207234
>>15207578
>>15207624
>>15207712
>>15208797
Did you get your ass ravaged by a nigger as a child? Is that why you're so obsessed with them?
>>15216311
I think a lot of adults still haven't been able to separate "legal" from "good" and "illegal" from "evil" with all the fucking corporate sponsored government propaganda around. These very same corporations sponsoring these anti piracy crap are themselves evading taxes like no fucking tomorrow by finding loopholes in the law or simple being outright illegal without getting caught.
d50ea4 No.15216382
>>15207560
>>15207753
Piracy is a time-honored tradition in Western culture stretching into antiquity. From Thucydides History of the Peloponnesian War: "For in early times the Hellenes and the barbarians of the coast and islands, as communication by sea became more common, were tempted to turn pirate…indeed, this came to be the main source of their livelihood, no disgrace being yet attached to such an achievement, but even some glory." Of the epics transmitted from antiquity, The Odyssey is about a soldier turned pirate.
f070c8 No.15217491
>>15216382
>being a nigger is a time honored tradition so its okay
993971 No.15218750
>>15216325
No, the problem with piracy is simple:
People want shit for free if they can help it, but they still tolerate copyright because they fell for the publishing industry's lies that copyright is some sort of "inherent right of authors to get paid and credited". They think that without copyright authors literally can't make money and will go bankrupt or get all their shit plagiarized false; people with stuff in the public domain must still be credited. If you manage to dispell these false notions, copyright will be repealed overnight.
bb172a No.15218761
>>15218750
If there is no copy right then how will an independent author protect himself from getting fucked over by more capable companies? It's bullshit.
4fb872 No.15218763
>>15199464
Not a cent to any company showing signs of poz.
993971 No.15218788
>>15218761
As I said, copyright is not about "giving authors ownership of their work and making them make money". It's there so that works will go to the public domain after a limited time (currently life+70 years or 95 years) so that society may benefit from them. i.e. people are giving up their rights to grant authors the current right holders a temporary monopoly on the exploitation of a work.
>If there is no copy right then how will an independent author protect himself from getting fucked over by more capable companies?
Without copyright, authors get paid like anyone else: by offering their services for money. Doing work for hire, or commissioned work. The product they're selling is either their time, or the "master copy" of a work (e.g. a book's first copy).
1c8b82 No.15218790
>>15200186
> and make the download 150+ Gb of the game for legitimate users and pirates by clogging in dummy files and uncompressed sounds and textures
but anon, they're already doing that
1c8b82 No.15218795
>>15199464
I pirate because I'm a cheap jew and it's easy. There is no morality to it. I'll just take the free and fast option because I'm a shit. I only bought maybe 25-30 games in my life, because they were online or I REALLY loved them and wanted to appreciate the creators.
Although with the spread of pozz and SJW politics injected into every other game I can't say I don't feel a lot better about stealing their work for free.
5980f1 No.15218882
>>15200186
Yes, because repackers never find these in the same breath they take to compress the files and offer a superior product for free.
a0f8ec No.15218906
Free games because I am a poorfag, but eventually I will save enough to purchase the ones I appreciate the most no matter if they are single player, and I don't necessarily follow the gay /v/ community consensus on my purchases, actually the only multi player games I own are fighting games. Yes I am spic.
a75af7 No.15218917