/v/ - Video Games

>>15159638

the order of events as I understand them is:

1: Stardock bought the name and made a game

2: original creators seek permission to use the name and Stardock's totally okay with it

3: Stardock's lawyers (most likely just the lawyers) get a bug up their ass, as lawyers are wont to do when the think their cushy job is on the line, and decide they can revoke the permission. Attempt to sue original creators for rights to all aspects of original property

I'd have to side with the original creators on this one

>>15159729

>better merchants

Melnorme (evading responsibility re: the slylandro probe incident)

>bigger jews

Druuge

>>15159729

Kikes are kikes, no matter where they are on the Pa.R.De.S. spectrum. Melnorme are Derush-kikes, Druuge are Sod-kikes.

>>15159638

The creators are always right. Those that only buy and resell are always the enemy. Enemies of the creators and enemies of their own customers.

Copyright is a cancer that must be completely purged.

>>15159638

>So who's in the right?

just jews jewing jews

>>15159638

I know this is impossible and basically too late but… couldn't they work on a sequel together?

Nobody cares. The prototype looks like fucking Spore and you can bet your ass that the game will be pozzed as fuck. Star Control does not need a new game.

I want to fug Vux

>>15161976

She's ugly.

>>15162056

>doxxed

It's one x, not two.

Dox is short for docs, as in documents.

>>15162142

Offworld Trading

Ashes of Singularity

>>15162142

All the Star Control games were on GoG until the recent "all games not for sale" happened.

>>15162142

https://www.gog.com/games?devpub=stardock_entertainment&sort=popularity&page=1

>>15161891

At least try to pretend you aren't an obvious Stardock dev. Those kikes shouldn't have been selling SC1 and 2

>>15161916

Stardock wanted to but the original creators didn't trust Stardock and thought they would ruin it. Fred and Reich think they are the only ones who wouldn't rape it.

The gameplay looks surprisingly faithful tot he original games.

I would use hooktube but it's currently not working

>>15164456

I particularly like how they got one of the original composers back, Riku Nuottajärvi; it's like the .mod scene never went away…

>stardock grabs a lot of nothing at a corpse harvest

>starts making a cash-in despite having nothing but a name

>begs authors to sell them the rights to the content

>authors say no to kikes, they're making their own game

>pressure authors by ripping off their shit anyway, selling their old games, using their content, try to push them into agreeing to a 'partnership'

>authors still say no to kikes

>insist authors can't release their own game unless they agree to the partnership

>ohshitson

>authors go public, prepare for incoming lawsuit, assert their rights, have illegal sales taken down

>starshit lawsuit, claims they don't need rights and the authors are not the authors despite having tried buying those rights they don't need from people who can't sell them

Fuck Brad, fucking weasel.

>>15164473

The whole thing honestly sounds like both sides having the same general goal (let Toys for Bob make one Star Control while Stardock makes its own) but running into the devil in the details. The legal documents sound really demanding but negotiations always start off as aggressive as possible to force compromise. It doesn't help that rights are rarely cleanly divided and can lead to games becoming eternally unpublishable (look at what happened to No One Lives Forever).

>>15164590

That's not what's happening at all, you know the guy who's trying to coerce the creators into signing away their IP away in it's entirety is a greedy ass numale. His goal is not to compromise whatsoever but an entire take over of the IP and making money off it which is why they were selling the games for profit without consulting the creators.

>>15164610

>>15164585

This is the thing that doesn't make sense to me. WHO THE HELL IS GOING TO BUY STAR CONTROL 2 IN 2018?

There is a free HD remake that the original devs endorse.

I'm making a review of Star Control 2 and I am trying to understand the legal battle so I seem impartial when talking about it. I'm not a lawyer but it seems complicated as fuck.

>>15164618

It's a Jewish tactic to use a hostile takeover for any prospective established IP so long as it has a reasonable base already present for it. After that's down Shutting Down stuff like the free HD remake is also par for the course like for example Duke Nukem.

>>15164590

No, Brad's trying to use control of the trademark to get control of the IP. That's the game he's playing. All you need to know:

Were P&F blocking the release of Origins? No.

Was Brad blocking the release of Ghosts? Yes.

>>15164610

I won't deny the stink of (((lawyers))) all over this shit. But what exactly Stardock has, or doesn't have, is an issue that needs to be ironed out. Otherwise when Star Control 3 - No Fucking Puppet Shit This Time comes out they'll just go through all of this anyway.

>>15164633

P&F were trying to market their game as the 'True sequel to Star Control' which they can't do without the trademark, and it also creates consumer confusion since they were doing it at the same time Origins was being marketed as well.

>>15164663

>Which they can't due

Well it literally is the true sequel to Star Control. Did they specifically mention star control in any advertisement so far or did they merely mention the fact that Ghost of the Precursors is a sequel?

>>15164473

>Has Stardock made an official response?

They certainly have.

https://forums.starcontrol.com/487690/page/1/

…As you can see, this matter isn't as black-and-white as some would paint it.

>>15164670

>Did they specifically mention star control in any advertisement so far or did they merely mention the fact that Ghost of the Precursors is a sequel?

They certainly did! See above link.

>>15164720

They don't have sources for their claims. Where did they advertise it as "Starcontrol: Ghost of the precursors". Also to my knowledge Paul and Fred should have gotten the rights to the name since Atari might have lost the naming rights back in 2002.

>to misrepresent their new game as being associated with Star Control

It is. Paul and Fred own the rights to literally everything Star Control except MAYBE the name

Has Stardock ever made a good game?

>>15164663

That's not what Brad's making threats about (they both have minor issues but that's nothing special), it's PR. If you read his actual legal demands he's saying that all the IP should be assigned to him, and that P&F are not the authors so do not have control over it.

It seems that after you take away all the bluster, Stardock is really just concerned that Ghosts will compete directly with Origins.

This could probably be handled with an agreement to delay Ghosts for 1 or 2 years in exchange for the right to use the SC name (in advertisements if not the game title) and possibly to publish through Stardock (which could end up being very profitable for both if they get P&F to endorse Origins too)

>>15162060

>I will sic my dog on you.

>I have sicced by dog upon you.

>I will step on your neck.

>I have stepped on your neck.

>I have Arnold Schwarzenegger's dox.

>Someone doxxed Arnold Schwarzenegger.

>>15164633

I mean, the original developers threatened to stop Stardock's game if they continued from SC2, used alien races from SC2, or if it had a similar UI.

>>15164670

>Well it literally is the true sequel to Star Control.

>>15164746

>Where did they advertise it as "Starcontrol: Ghost of the precursors".

Your post is a shining example for why the case is valid and is in front of a judge. They have directly said this multiple times. The link that you were responding to actually showed their post stating that it was a Star Control game. This is why "spiritual successors" exist. FYI, they could have made an identical game named "Ghosts of the Precursors" with name swaps literally decades ago. Side note: ask yourself why they didn't do this so long ago and why they waited for Stardock to acquire the license and reach out to them, and didn't start when they alleged the contract to end. You might come to the conclusion that they were aware that they couldn't just make more games.

>Paul and Fred own the rights to literally everything Star Control

No, they own the assets from Star Control 1 and 2. They don't own the branding, nor do they own anything related to the third game. They try to assert these rights to more than they are, but the truth is, their legal rights are little more than in-game artwork and audio.

>>15164624

It's less complicated when you realize that both sides are talking about completely different issues than the other side while simultaneously acting like the other side's issue is false.

>>15165297

Ghosts of the Precursors isn't competing with Origins because Origins is launching in two months. Ghosts of the Precursors isn't even near releasing, lawsuit or not.

>>15164720

>https://forums.starcontrol.com/487690/page/1/

This is what makes Paul and Fred seem like complete liars. They were dumping email chains from decades ago to try and prove their points. You know what they didn't do? Post the communications they had with Stardock. They did this 'he said- she said' shit. If some autist holds their emails for literal decades, they'll have held recent communications that are still relevant. Stardock then dumped those communications for the world to see. Meanwhile, Paul and Fred have post after post of them interpreting the events for you with a couple of the legal documents attached.

Everybody likes to talk about the fact that Stardock is suing Paul and Fred but nobody likes to talk about how Paul and Fred looked up at the copyright holders and threatened them for using the phrase "Super Melee".

>>15166001

>Why are the creators of star control mentioning that their sequel to star control 2 is a sequel to star control 2

>>15159638

>one company is trying to prevent the other from doing a vidya

>"whos being the faggot"

gee

>>15166248

DMC fans are faggots for trying to stop DmC 2 from happening?

Not that they succeeded or anything, but

>>15166287

oh come on anon dmc fans arent a corporate entity trying to monopolize an ip

>>15159638

Stardock is technically right even if all they ever make is bland trash. The creators are just copyright trolls with no intention of actually making a game.

>>15166001

Are you just a contrarian faggot or literally Brad?

>I mean, the original developers threatened to stop Stardock's game if they continued from SC2, used alien races from SC2, or if it had a similar UI.

Brad was never making a game that continued from SC2, he acknowledged from the beginning that he couldn't as he only owned the name, that's why it's a shitty "prequel" you toad. Later on he swiped some art and names anyway, which was being overlooked until he told them they couldn't release their game without "partnering" and he swiped the originals and started selling them like some chink pirate store. He was told to stop being a nigger at that point.

>Your post is a shining example for why the case is valid and is in front of a judge.

That's not the issue, they both have minor misrepresentations and it'd be a wash. It's a distraction from meat of the lawsuit which is the claim that the original authors are not the original authors and are not able to legally control the IP and that Ghosts should not only be blocked from release but all original IP Brad tried and failed to buy should be given to Brad.

>Side note: ask yourself why they didn't do this so long ago

Are you new or retarded? They've pitched it for decades to publishers and Activision was going to take it some years ago, even had old /v/ threads about it, but Activision decided to have them do Skylanders instead. Now that they're rich from Skylanders they aren't begging publishers this time and are financing it out of pocket.

>the truth is, their legal rights are little more than in-game artwork and audio.

Brad's legal demands re the IP above show even he agrees you're full of shit. He admits he only has the trademark and is now trying to get the IP via lawsuit. He's also claiming he bought the "goodwill" despite case law that you can't obtain that via trading in names.

>You know what they didn't do? Post the communications they had with Stardock.

I wonder what kind of bullshit you'd say if they did, "they're exposing private negotiations in ordrer to slander me Brad and damage goodwill"? Regardless, Brad isn't showing us those emails either, but we'll get them from Pacer.

TL;DR fuck you

I don't understand why they would bother reviving the franchise. Only 50 year old virgins still know about the damn thing. Just make a spiritual sequel and tell a new story or with a new mechanic. Shit, Mass Effect did it and it got EA/Bioware billions in the end.

I can never understand the need for sequels to a long dead IP. They're better off leaving that shit behind.

>>15166634

maybe they cant let go of their nostalgia either

You know, the more I think about it, the Kohr-Ah are in the right in regards to the doctrinal conflict. The Kzer-Za quite clearly have issues maintaining and keeping people under slavery, and apparently looking at the Chmmr a super epin Ur-Quan-killer race can be developed in a few decades. If the end goal is to never become enslaved, it's much more reasonable to simply kill all the races that could ever enslave you instead of imposing a shittily run bureaucratic bullshitfest that, even ignoring the superrace stuff, runs the risk of having combat thralls revolt. On top of that, it doesn't even seem like they get an resources from the planets they encase, they even have to send supply ships to the orbital stations. Although this begs the question of how the Kzer-Za are on par with the Kohr-Ah after enslaving half the galaxy, and what type of behind-the-scenes logistics they have.

>>15166634

I'd kill for a proper Starflight sequel honestly and only 60 year old virgins and the most powerful mega-autists know about that.

>>15159729

Druuge are God-tier kikes. The Crimson Corporation literally owns the air that the Druuge breathe. If you get fired from the Crimson Corporation, you literally lose the right to breathe.

>>15164456

The story is a complete fucking retcon, and the art style is painfully gay. Fuck Stardock.

>>15166764

well someone has to be making the timeless classics

>>15166551

>Announce they are making a game

>N-No they aren't planning on making a game

>>15166634

Because it's a spiritual project and fans want a real ending