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Expect to get a lot of shit here for posting about BF4 and rightfully so.

Anyway, the reason BF4 was shit was for the same reasons BF3 was shit: They were nothing like Battlefield 2.

Also,

>Vehicles

Jets/Choppers win matches by themselves, nothing to counter them except for a better pilot - which doesn't exist because every single jetwhore uses a script to always have the speed locked at 313 allowing him to make pixel-perfect turns every time.

>Classes

In BF2 the classes were great. One class was good against infantry and had lots of grenades. A different class was mediocre against infantry and could heal/revive people. Another class was poor against 1v1 infantry but could suppress enemies and give ammo, a different class was good at killing vehicles but poor against infantry, etc

In BF3 you got the do-it-all master of killin' Assault with the best rifles in the game while simultaneously the ability to heal himself and revive any teammate around. Then you got the engineer who was as good as killing as the Assault class and while he can repair vehicles he can destroy them too. Then you got the two useless classes that are mediocre against everything, though you could argue that the Support with C4 + M429/M240 was pretty effective at killing enemies from a distance.

>Mobility

Endless sprinting, everyone moves too fast, basically run n' gun with zero consequences. In BF2 you had stamina and it depleted very quickly. This made lone-wolfing extremely difficult and simultaneously ineffective. In BF3 a single good player can wipe the floor with the enemy team because he can sprint around the map non stop.

>Maps

If you played BF3/4 then you know very well what I'm talking about. The maps are uber garbage except for very select few.

At this point I'm hoping that Venice Unleashed will be released and the community will make an actually proper sequel to BF2 with it. Though I am very afraid that the niggers will just play it to enjoy the 120Hz server rates and leave everything vanilla because their first Battlefield was 3 and they have no idea what makes BF2 good.

>>15152813

The moment I've experienced high velocity shots with no bullet drop in the beta is when it got pretty apparent that the game would be shite or at the very least worse than BF3. Because that takes away some skill from the equation in favor for map positioning meta and since your teammates are always shit by default - any coordinated group of enemy players would pretty much be able to hold an entire sector uncontested.

>b-but you can counter it by playing with your friends

>or is that exactly the reason why you are c-complaining - because you don't have friends, how p-pathetic

That's not the point, if BF wasn't mainly a pub fuckfest and meta could be communicated efficiently in most or at least some circumstances this game design would be completely justified, but what it actually did is took away from the game that as you say looks like was already lacking due to circumstantial decisions.

>>15152913

Also jetwhores in BF3/4 have unlimited flares and can just do killruns and then fly up into the sun until their flares reload. In BF3 a good pilot or chopper team is practically invincible due to this. Shit, a good chopper gunner can defeat most jetwhores if they attempt to attack the chopper. Guides missiles were a mistake.

And don't forget the cancer suppression system that punishes people with good aim while making retards who use nothing but high RoF weapons good.

>>15152913

>>Classes

One thing that I liked in Bad Company 2 was the max number of players for each class. Without it there's no team play. The Operations game mode in Battleshiet1 suffers a lot from that, you can see a team with only squads of snipers and engineers and zero medic so they keep dying and wasting tickets.

>n BF3 you got the do-it-all master of killin' Assault with the best rifles in the game while simultaneously the ability to heal himself and revive any teammate around.

Not having a dedicated medic class was a mistake. It made no sense to have the assault class acting as a medic, to me that was the beginning of the CoDification of Battlefield.

>>15152974

>Without it there's no team play

You have no idea how many times I'm trying to attack Kharg Island's beach mcoms while 20+ players in my team are useless Recons that do fucking nothing but miss 80% of their shots and die to enemies flanking them.

Battlefield will never not be shit. For as long as it plays like Cowadooty it will be shit. I'd take the outdated visuals and clunky controls of BF2 any day over the shitty new games. Like I said earlier, Venice Unleashed is my only hope for BF3.

>>15152924

Fucking this, my biggest gripe about BF3/4 are the goddamn air vehicles. The reload on ECM is way too goddamn short and the length it lasts is too goddamn long. Not even the mobile AA can stand a chance against a decent pilot in the Frogfoot because all they have to do is stay out of the AA's range and drop bombs.

Did you get too close to the ground in a jet and get locked? Better just fucking pop ECM and fly straight up because the lock range for stingers/IGLA is 500/600m respectively and are useless beyond that.

>>15153005

>Battlefield will never not be shit. For as long as it plays like Cowadooty it will be shit.

True. I've heard that Battlefield Vagina doesn't have bullet drop, at least in the alpha.

>>15153005

>I'm trying to attack Kharg Island's beach mcoms while 20+ players in my team are useless Recons that do fucking nothing but miss 80% of their shots and die to enemies flanking them.

I was playing one the operations in BF1 the other day (for the (((free))) battlepack) and I only had recons campers and engineers with LMGs running around. I was the only medic and I couldn't even do my job because no one wanted to wait to be revived, they smash that respawn button like idiots instead.

There's no point in playing any future Battlefield game, each new iteration comes with new downgrades. I guess it's the price to pay for using Frostbite.

>>15153040

>I only had recons campers and engineers with LMGs running around.

I forgot about the assault guys spamming anti-tank grenades.

>>15152813

>In BF3, stealth jets had rocket pods, which are not an option for them in BF4

>Actually wanting the biggest reason for jetwhoring to exist to be put in the sequel

OP is as always, gay as fuck. Its the one time they did something right when they split up the jet into two that arent the best in everything and thus damn near invincible if a good player is using them.

>>15152924

>>15153010

Jetwhores are easy to deal with in bf4, if they're in the stealth jet they're not a threat to anyone or anything on the ground and if they're in the ground attack one just hop into a stealth jet and blast them easily since the ground attack jet turns like a boat.

>>15153010

In BF4 it is much easier to take them out, but they're still cancer. BF2 did it right. AA guns were very strong, jets and choppers had limited flares and most importantly ammunition. They had to go near the airfield to re-arm, and they didn't have a magic repair gadget that slowly increased their health.

>>15153074

That's why I brought up the Frogfoot. No one cares about the stealth jet, I have more issues with the Frogfoot than anything else in the game.

>just hop into a stealth jet

Kind of hard to do when you get people camping the spawn, not to mention that if the opposing team's stealth jet has a decent player inside it you have to deal with them as well. It's literally the only legitimate way of dealing with the Frogfoot but you make it sound easier than what it actually is.

>>15153092

I knew Jets were going to be OP when Dice nerfed the fucking range on the MAA guns. To this day I still don't know why they did it, but once again all a jet has to do is just fly straight up and you're shit out of luck. I try to hold my fire until they're well within my firing range and that works half the time but they can dip down and hide behind terrain as well.

>a magic repair gadget that slowly increased their health

This is what killed the series for me.

>>15153108

I'm an avarage pilot and even I managed to take out the enemy team in the stealth jet 9/10 in bf4. The best flyers are all flying the ground attack planes since they just want to pad their score. Leaving pretty bad pilots in the stealth jet.

Compared to bf3 where I usually fail to beat them 7/10 times.

Limited ammunition, non regenerating health and splitting the jets to air vs air and air vs ground would solve all problems, they would still be valuable vehicles but not overpowered.

Too bad I havent found the server again where there was a script that instakilled you when you hopped into attack chopper / jet in bf3.

>>15153138

Bruh, my nemesis in the Attack Jet right now is Lupi_JP. Whenever him and I are on opposing teams on an air map, he ends up calling in backup to fill the stealth jet role and he focuses me because if he doesn't I end up wiping him in the MAA. At that point I can only pray for a decent player in our jets because if not there isn't jack shit I can do to counter him.

>>15152913

Battlefield 2 was shit anon. Actual shit. Jets were absolutely unstoppable, dolphin diving was pure cancer, and the netcode was 100% trash. Those nostalgia goggles are pretty tight there bucko. The only thing 2 has on 4 is mods and no origin. Patched BF4 shits on BF2. BF2 was trash.

>>15153138

>Compared to bf3 where I usually fail to beat them 7/10 times.

That's because BF3 jetwhores use this, every single one of them. In the past there were SOME legit ones, but right now with the limited playerbase, only the nigger cheaters have remained.

https://www.unknowncheats.me/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=8798

>>15153203

Immediately suck on a shotgun faggot. Netcode is fixed in latest versions running with BF2Hub and jets were far from unstoppable for reasons mentioned above. Dolphin diving was cancer but that alone doesn't make a game shit.

>Patched BF4 shits on BF2

BF3 and BF4 are cowadooty cancer. Good job outing yourself as a casual faggot.

>>>/suicide/

>>15153215

I have been playing since 1942. BF4 in its current state absolutely shits on unmodded Battlefield 2. Suck my dick.

>>15153226

>I have been playing since 1942

Is that supposed to be an argument faggot? Despite playing the superior games you still prefer the call of duty clones with shitty level design and classes?