a78909 No.15005155
What are some games that you would consider being mechanically complex. I would define 'being complex' as many different and unique systems that the player character can use to complete his goal. So games like Nethack come to mind.
I'll also allow games you would consider narrative complex, though I doubt there are many games that are
5ea20d No.15005166
>>15005155
> I would define 'being complex' as many different and unique systems that the player character can use to complete his goal
Divine Cybermancy. I've got 100 hours in that game and I'm still not sure what some things do.
>>15005159
>mfw
My IQ has increased 15 points just from looking at that cover.
9db1b2 No.15005176
Aurora and DF are the kings. Cataclysm DDA was pretty good but dev seems to have stalled. Orbiter space sim is a nice upgrade past KSP in certain ways. Watching this thread Ive been craving something complex.
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bc52ad No.15005189
Distant Worlds it's a soft version of Aurora.
844e4d No.15005206
Dwarf Fortress is about as mechanically complex as you can get without becoming a civil/mechanical engineer.
>>15005159
>one of those fucking pop vinyl toys
If I hadn't checked gamestop I'd be entirely convinced this was just made up by someone from here or /co/.
>>15005172
EYE isn't exactly simple but I feel like OP is looking for something that could need an hour of reading a manual and several hours of practice to understand.
61ff70 No.15005233
>>15005229
Forgot to mention that chart is just to get to the second half of the game.
5aafe4 No.15005236
>>15005229
Did anyone here beat Yu-No without using that guide? Even then it's a very vague guide and hardly makes sense. I needed a worded guide. How the fuck did they expect us to find out some of that shit?
I will say, however, that Yu-No's soundtrack was exquisite, and the aesthetics couldn't be beat.
>>15005233
The second half of the game is really linear though, and I don't even think it has any branching paths whatsoever.
c0e6c5 No.15005265
>>15005155
>though I doubt there are many games that are
Pretty epic, anon!
bc52ad No.15005272
>>15005236
i did a playthorugh whitout a guide, couldnt get very far taking the Mitzuko/Eriko route, i cant say that such long game whitout a guide can be engaging, i got enough of the walking libido bullshit even whit the guide
da4e29 No.15005274
Walking simulators.
>The alleged "gameplay" takes place in your mind, thus it's imaginary
>Imaginary gameplay could be said to be a subset of the imaginary plane
>Imaginary plane also includes imaginary numbers, eg the complex games
>Walking simulators are therefore complex
5ea20d No.15005284
>>15005265
You're a faggot and you need to an hero now.
61ff70 No.15005296
>>15005236
> I don't even think it has any branching paths whatsoever.
It doesn't. But it's still the best part of the game. With all of the crazier bullshit that happens, the UI change from being point and click to menu based, and the setting and tone change you would think it was a different game,
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1ff89d No.15006039
>inb4 assfaggots
In terms of pure mechanical complexity, at a high level Dota and HoN have a lot of systems to use and abuse under the hood.
While the basics are easy to understand, you can pretty quickly get to concepts like the nuances of creep wave manipulation, or each of the >100 heroes and their individual mechanics.
Then you get to wacky shit like dropping your items at opportune moments to maximize regeneration abilities, tread toggles between each spell cast and attack animation start to maximise dps and mana management or funky tricks like soloing roshan with armlet.
Then comes proper management of the RTS type heroes of Chen, Meepo and Broodmother (to an extent). There's probably more after that but I'm pretty shit and still learning that aspect.
Juggling all of these things at once gets very complicated, very fast, if you're in the mood for a game with a lot to dive into.
c61d0e No.15006062
There was an online game(played on a browser IIRC) that took place in Ancient Egypt. It was very complex and very old, started in 2003 or in late 90s IIRC. But I can't remember its name. I tried searching what it was but I just can't find it, starting to think it never existed
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ed0a3a No.15006288
did someone say narrative COMPLEX?
cdec18 No.15006300
>>15006288
How complex is Killer 7?
e6bb96 No.15006364
>>15006062
You might be thinking about A Tale In The Desert. It's still around and while I've never played it, I know people who have and it's kind of cool since a lot of the content revolves around players making the rules, making new games and challenges, and even economies/governments. That being said it's grindy as fuck, puts some korean MMOs to shame.
207343 No.15006393
>>15006364
That might be it, I just checked and its on its 8th version, the game I was talking about had different versions every few years too. It's also very difficult because IIRC, when I tried playing it I come across something math related that I couldn't solve and my math was really good back then. I tried it when it was on its third version I think
fd95e6 No.15006421
>>15005236
I couldn't get through it without the guide. Apparently the clue was supposed to be that whenever you're at a place where the path branches the jewels in the corner of the screen will flash, which is an indicator that you should use one there and come back later.
a45d26 No.15006645
>>15006364
Oh shit I remember playing this when I was 10 and I would come home from school and grow flax all night. I religiously played MMOs and social games when I was a kid and all the way up through college, but I was always quiet and anti-social, even in those games.
a934e6 No.15006684
>>15006525
I still think it's a dick move that the most simplest way to have planets build ships specifically interprets the command as building the entire ship on planet instead of multiple ship parts being done at once.
241321 No.15006805
>>15006039
You need to expand your horizon if you think that Dota 2 is complex. If you think that the 101 similar but interacting mechanics are complex you clearly dont even know what complex means.
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fe099a No.15008031
>>15005229
I have a hard time using the word complex for a visual novel. Tedious maybe but I've never played Yu-no.
cbe459 No.15012408
Steel Beasts Pro PE. Takes a bit of studying to learn the basics. Every model of tank has it's own unique quirks and operating procedures. Conversely, the map/command interface both allows vastly more detailed orders and is simpler to use than the equivalent in fucking Arma. Go figure.
364565 No.15012546
Not the most complex but you may like
Eve Online
SpaceChem
411a7d No.15012777
>>15012546
>EVE
EVE isn't complex, it's just tedious.
8fef06 No.15013118
>>15005229
>>15012546
Can we even differentiate between tedious busywork and legit complex gameplay?
5c52bd No.15013153
Brood War and to an extent, its sequel.
>>15006288
COMPLEX MOTIVES
3182dc No.15013449
>>15012408
The game I want, but can't afford the 200$ for the usb stick that has the activatio code
0bbb15 No.15013467
Chrono Cross
Ridiculously convoluted narrative.
61ff70 No.15016963
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15008031
Yu-no isn't a visual Novel at least for the first 2/3rds of the game minus the prologue It's a point and click adventure game.
The game has you going through a groundhogs day time loop. As you go through the game and travel different timelines, you can collect gems that will allow to to travel to the place and time you set the stone, essentially creating a save state that will allow you to carry items over. There's puzzles in the game that require you to use the savestates to dupe single use items. There's also shit like the game having you decipher a fake language and a clock puzzle which the only way to know the answer is by watching the intro movie.
Before you write it off as a visual novel I recommend you actually play it.
1f92f5 No.15017010
>>15005155
>different and unique
>literally AD&D
wat
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806c5e No.15028433
I love maps from complex games whether I've played the game or not.
d10b96 No.15028452
>>15028433
>that wizardry map
That seems slightly excessive but I can dig a game that tries that hard to fuck you.
53e541 No.15028590
Why do they call it Complex Doom?
6643d9 No.15028634
>>15006805
Probly thinks Divinity is complex too because you can light oil on fire and put out fire with rain.
81876a No.15028741
My Summer Car
As far as I can tell it's the only game where you can fuck with valve timing (by ear) and carburation (either with help with an in game gauge or by checking the color of the smoke), beyond that, you have to check and refill the fluids and replace worn down parts with new ones, including the tires.