06a1d9 No.14820913
So I sat down with my cousin to play a few games and something stood out. He's shit at them. He's 26, grew up playing games, is reasonably intelligent but any time a game expects him to think for himself he just shits the bed. He can't make his way through a linear level in a shooter without objective markers, he can't solve environmental puzzles, he's fucking bad at video games.
I think the reason your average modern game is so safe and brain-dead and linear and dumb is because my cousin is the bar they aim for. It's the reason people unironically proclaim a love of AssCreed, Fortnite, CoD etc. They're just too retarded to mentally process anything better. Anything more taxing than running on autopilot. And it fucking sucks, I show him all these great games he has an interest in buying if it requires the tiniest ounce of thought while you play he just loses interest and gives up.
Anyone else experienced this?
06a1d9 No.14820917
>>14820913
*an interest in but
b3ba66 No.14820947
>>14820913
tbh most of /v/ is utter shit at video games and you would know that had you played fagcorp's gamenights tbh
5e2b8e No.14820958
I have a friend who thinks he has gotten worse as he's gotten older which is true to some extent but what he fails to realize is he's actually been shit the whole time.
>>14820947
Only spergs join such community event level bullshit.
d04f21 No.14821024
>>14820913
>Anyone else experienced this?
All my friends are uber garbage at video games with the exception of one of them who's somewhat competent when it comes to RTS and autism sims, though he sucks at everything else. I tried my best to get them to play some good video games but every time they got bored within a week or disliked it for the bad graphics or "boring gameplay". Meanwhile they love playing garbage like PUBG, Overwatch. Asscreed and far cry. I would normally go find better friends but I can't be arsed to.
>>14820947
>>14820958
>>>/reddit/
Radcorps gamenights are god-tier and the average anon here is way more skilled than the average person. Now fuck off back to whatever irrelevant social media shithole you crawled out from, niggers
e8252e No.14821028
>>14820913
>I think the reason your average modern game is so safe and brain-dead and linear and dumb is because my cousin is the bar they aim for.
I think it's more like he's the desired end result of a lengthy conditioning process to create a culture of dependence. People who are weak and stupid and helpless are easily controlled by authority figures.
241bd4 No.14821039
>>14820913
>Anyone else experienced this?
Yes, I think I do with you right now posing a question the answer to which is obvious in the context of vidya boards.
>He's 26, grew up playing games, is reasonably intelligent
>He can't make his way through a linear level in a shooter without objective markers, he can't solve environmental puzzles, he's fucking bad at video games.
That's more telling about you than about your friend really.
df1c34 No.14821043
>low spacial acuity
>low IQ
Pick both.
0e1249 No.14821048
>>14820913
>Anyone else experienced this?
That's most posters here outside of retro vidya enthusiasts. It's quite telling when you look at the amount of anons who obsess over the modern equivalent of the choose your own adventure novels from the 90s which have zero actual gameplay.
>>14820958
>Only spergs join such community event level bullshit.
Couldn't agree more. The average anon is only moderately less insufferable than your typical normalfag, and multiplayer with anyone but extremely close friends in general is truly disgusting and a waste of time.
>>14821024
>only reddit dislikes muh communal circlejerks
Imagine being this delusional.
2c41af No.14821052
>>14820913
My younger brother is 26 and also grew up playing games, yet unlike your cousin, he has no problem with any of the things you mentioned.
Now, I'll believe you in that he's intelligent and simply conclude that he must have had shit taste his whole life. Try to get him interested in more challenging games and he may develop the necessary skills.
4eb456 No.14821140
I'm not amazing at videogames, but I have noticed whenever I'm at my friends' houses they ask me to help them with a game I've never played before and I end up getting them through the parts they have been struggling at. Most recently that Superhot game, but there has also been things like Jet Set Radio which I also never played previously but figured it out quickly. I aim to introduce them to some of my faves sometime though.
e9d906 No.14821157
>>14820913
Esport has ruined multiplayer. For years it was all about having fun, now it's about muh K/D ratio. No one plays for the objective anymore, it's run and shoot everything that moves.
ec7908 No.14821174
This is about problem solving. Good parenting and public education teaches young adults to apply their previous experience to attempt new challenges. But what if the parents or government does not care? We have people who accept failure and have no motivation to improve. …
8bfc12 No.14821267
>>14820913
i saw this when me and a friend bought vermintide 2 he was constantly complaining that he was lost and never knew where to go, that theres no sprint button, that tomes and grims were too hard to find and shoudl be moved. and of course that the game was too hard (he was still on veteran while the rest of the group at the time had graduated to champion).
6edcb7 No.14821294
Judging from how much of a faggot you are, OP, I'd say it just runs in your family.
df1c34 No.14821306
>>14821157
>Esport has ruined multiplayer.
No it hasn't. We had local, regional, and national tournaments in the arcade in the 90s.
>now it's about muh K/D ratio
You sound like you'd be better off playing elementary school soccer and receiving a participation award. Playing games has always been about winning.
>No one plays for the objective anymore, it's run and shoot everything that moves.
That's a pretty generalized statement that speaks more about you and the shooters you choose to play multiplayer.
06a1d9 No.14821380
>>14821294
How am I a faggot?
I said nothing wrong.
6edcb7 No.14821405
>>14821380
>How am I a faggot?
3e1882 No.14821417
>>14820947
>>14821048
>Shitting on comunity events
End your life disagreement cocksuckers
501403 No.14821424
>>14821417
Who are those lads with the berets? They look like gay sailors, but without the sea part.
a28ea6 No.14821446
>>14821424
Spetznas. You gopnik.
3e1882 No.14821449
>>14821424
Russian Paratroopers beat the shit out of a LGBT homo snowflake for trying to parade during Paratrooper day.
a28ea6 No.14821465
I have noticed this with my friend recently too. He never wants to play anything where he has to "think". Always wants to play gachashit on his phone. We used to play all kinds of gangster shit together like Kirby's Air Ride and Timesplitters 2 and 3. Now all he wants to do is play Dokkan battle. Puzzle and Dragqueens and drink himself to death. It's depressing how much of a piece of shit he has become.
1f2413 No.14821511
>watching 13-year-old nephew play dkc on the snes mini
>he can't even get to the first save point
>as soon as he gets to an obstacle he doesn't know how to overcome he just repeatedly rushes it and dies or falls into a pit
>no wheels are turning in his head, no problem-solving processes are going on
>it's like he expects the game to hold his hand or just play itself
>calls the game stupid and switches the system off
268a96 No.14821523
>>14821511
I struggled a lot with DKC but I was like 10 when that game came out. Especially the stoplight level.
2cb4dc No.14821558
>>14820913
Most games are about conditioning more than they are about one's ability to conceptualize or encode or decipher or reason. The kid who spent his years playing Doom will be able to quickly adapt to any other game that utilizes those mechanics. Conversely, the kid who spent his time playing Tetris will better adapt to games that require real time spatial assessment, things like rhythm games. The kid who got gud at one fighting game will be able to quickly learn how to become at least above average in another fighting game.
The point is that if your cousin can't follow simple instructions, then he's probably just a retard, because the casual games of today are not designed with challenge in mind, they're designed to be all spectacle and no substance. They're the video game equivalent of using an ATM or a self check-out machine at a retail store.
Give him one game that you think he'll enjoy, and tell him to play it over and over and over again until he completes it. Then, when he's done, tell him to play it again and again and again until he completes it in half the time that it took him the first time. Then, keep adding more qualifiers until he realizes that video games are about commitment. If he gives up, then he's a normalfag who just wants movie-games. You should probably take him out back behind your toolshed and give him some lead aspirin to put him out of his misery.
501403 No.14821592
>>14821449
>>14821446
So Pidor removers then?
6c3955 No.14821593
>why isn't everyone good at video games?
>why aren't all people doctors, lawyers, engineers,CEOs and scientists?
689fc8 No.14821602
>Got home from Work
>Cousin is at my house, unusual but he's usually okay albeit a tad awkward
>He's brought new games
>Try of these games out, I've never heard of it before
>Get to an puzzle section
>Exploring around trying every possibility to get a hang of the controls
>Cousin sitting next to me reeeeeeing about how you're meant to stick your dick in the gear and use it as a crank shaft to appease the green wizard of the south west
>He's clearly getting distressed by me not doing everything as expected. I change the game to Call of Duty because I can't be bothered to deal with cousin reeeeeing after stressful day at work.
Anybody else experience this?
501403 No.14821609
>>14821465
Slap him next time he comes to you with that shit and speak him into noticing how he is now a shell of his former self and how that is a huge problem that needs to be fixed. I'll let you skip the slap part if your friend is too much of a fag to handle it.
Anon, you have to man up and do it. Do it for him.
01c762 No.14821619
People ask me questions all the time instead of using basic amounts of brainpower to figure it out for themselves. Really simple things too, it's like they are conditioned to have other people do the thinking for them instead of use their own brain to solve problems. There are no critical thinking skills within them whatsoever, It's really fucked up. When did this happen? It feels recent, maybe I was just lucky for the past couple decades but back when I was growing up, people who were that fucking stupid and useless were more of a rarity, even the idiots could figure out basic shit and had no problem playing video games. Titles I had no problem beating when I was five are considered too hard, complex and confusing by people nowadays. What the hell is going on?
9dda84 No.14821688
>>14820913
>Older brother gets little bro the Sims 4 for Xmas.
>Every time he has a problem, instead of trying to figure it out for himself he looks online. I tell him to stop doing that and try to figure it out for himself.
>He keeps looking stuff up and figures out the fastest way to get rich. He's now just following a guide online. Gets married, kills his wife, and then proceeds to decorate the mansion to what he wants.
>With no challenge or goals to strive for, he gets bored of the game and never plays again.
Casuals can't figure out anything for themselves. This is why they'll instantly cling to a popular build in something like Dark Souls but still end up losing to most players who know how to properly fight. Fighting games are even worse. Since they never learn, they will die repeatedly and there's nothing the game can do to help them.
>>14821558
>Most games are about conditioning more than they are about one's ability to conceptualize or encode or decipher or reason.
This is true. With games that are harder or somewhat complex in mechanics, the play will have to go through a lot of trial and error to understand things. The people who do this over the years will understand that you'll get much further in games if you truly understand them so they'll experiment with the mechanics more to try and understand them. It reminds me how people say RPGs are just all grinding. Yet when you watch these people play, they play like retards and make the same mistake all the time and die. Most RPGs today are designed to never require grinding too. It's essentially a difficulty slider to brute force problems.
>Buy little bro Dungeon Travelers 2 for the Vita. He ends up loving it.
>To my surprise he's still playing it months later. However he's stuck on a boss. Ask him his build. He tells me of one he found online while trying to follow a guide to kill the boss.
>He's in his third tier classes (which gives huge stat boosts and powerful skills) and several levels above where he should be to kill the boss. I beat it with tier 2 classes and several levels under.
>The game actually requires you to learn it and play smartly or else you'll constantly lose. He thinks grinding to win works not realizing that not grinding and playing through the game naturally will make you much stronger faster.
>>14821593
Video games are one of the most accessible hobbies these days and most don't even require you to master any sort of skill to beat them. He's not asking for people to be masters but not fucking retarded.
c73d46 No.14821694
>>14821619
A product of our current school system. You don't learn to solve problems. You learn to memorize solutions your authority figure (teacher) instills and follow them without stepping out of line. This prepares you well to follow orders and do your job for the next 40 years.
If anyone cares about the history:
The modern school system is based on the prussian education system that was rewritten with one goal in mind - soldiers who follow orders without thinking themself because that would lead to priotizing their own live over orders and thus trying to run away. They were successfull with the new system and this school system later got adopted in the entire west due to their success. The core idea was lower education - grunts. University = middle management. Private schools = upper crust.
e7e447 No.14821730
>>14820947
>most of /v/ is utter shit at video games
This. Any FPS gamenight is good proof.
My theory is that posters here are insecure and petrified of realizing they're shit at videogames. That's why any competitive/ranked game can never be discussed here- because then they'd have objective proof they suck and would need to get good. Rather, they'll talk about "taste" (in singleplayer games) making them better than other people, because all "taste" requires is you playing a videogame and having an opinion, not actual skill.
6c3955 No.14821737
>>14821730
Careful not to get banned
9dda84 No.14821740
>>14821619
Older games were much harder and many included puzzles to mix up the gameplay. Publishers like EA have figured out a way to appeal to the most amount of people as possible. Make your games stupid simple with no depth. Make sure the player doesn't have to think for themselves and the goal is always clear. Throw around small bits of distractions that don't actually add to anything (think crafting mechanics that are thrown into most AAA or sandbox games) so the player feels more invested. Make the game easy and a spectacle since it doesn't matter if the player feels challenged but that the "challenge" just look intimidating. That way the player can pat themselves on the back while never actually being in any danger of losing.
You have millions of people who only play games like this. When presented with a game that actually expects them to think, they're overwhelmed and think it's the game's fault. The game is now the problem, not them.
>>14821694
Do you have that webm of that old man looking into the background of the people behind Harvard and finding out what mindset?
>>14821730
But we have a fighting game thread up all the time. Though when I ask many to play, barely anyone responds if at all.
ec11da No.14821753
>>14821446
>Spetsnaz
They're VDV.
e7e447 No.14821755
>>14821740
>a fighting game thread up
Where it's mostly characterposting. Nobody talks about GGPO/Fightcade sparring, playing against actual people, practicing or improving.
3e1882 No.14821756
>>14821730
>>14821737
Go back to TF2V you retarded cuckchan niggers.
1ee676 No.14821767
>>14820913
>I think the reason your average modern game is so safe and brain-dead and linear and dumb is because my cousin is the bar they aim for.
No, because they are easy to make and casualfags still buy them, why make a quality game if normalfags will literary eat shit anyway?
c73d46 No.14821776
>>14821730
Quantify shit. I manage top ~30% which is far from pro but i think "shit" should be below average wich shouldn't be too hard to pass for anyone who invests a little bit of time to train their reflexes. And even if you suck you can still win memorizing the powerup timers to gain an advatange.
>>14821740
No idea what you mean. I've just read it in a history book. Sadly my memory is shit otherwise i would also remember the dates and people involved. Merely still remember that it was ignited by losing a war and then grasping for a solution to fix their soldiers.
c73d46 No.14821786
>>14821767
There is no real effort involved making it more difficult. Dumbing down literally happens cause the people can't handle it
1ee676 No.14821792
>>14821786
>no archive link
fake news :^)
01c762 No.14821809
>>14821593
Yes, being competent at Super Mario Bros is comparable to performing open heart surgery. Thanks for that. At least you didn't use a food analogy.
c73d46 No.14821814
>14821792
i don't know why people think archieve is save from manipulation. What guarantee do you have? It's only guaranteed to prevent giving the original site traffic. That aside it's not my image to be honest. Just saved it back when it came up cause i wasn't confident it would survive. (notice its from 2012 so not a new issue)
01c762 No.14821833
>>14821786
>Dumbing down literally happens cause the people can't handle it
But people could handle it a decade ago. What is it and why did it happen? As pointed out in the thread, schools dumbing things down combined with apathetic parents does seem to be a big culprit. Technology improving to the point where it does alot of the thinking for us contributed as well I think, you don't need to learn navigation for example, you just turn on the GPS and shut off your brain.
260fa1 No.14821839
>>14820913
This isn't an age thing, almost nobody I know of my own age is actually good at video games. People who play shit games stay bad at games because they never have to get better, there's just even fewer good games coming out now.
9dda84 No.14821844
>>14821755
That is true. There are a small amount of people who ask on how to get better but barely anyone in the thread asks to play against others in the thread which makes me think many might just be stream monsters.
Wanna play some GGPO then? Though I would rather play Acceleration of Suguri 2 or Koihime Enbu.
>>14821776
I thought I saved the webm but it turns out I didn't. It was a webm of a guy looking into the history of who made Harvard. It wasn't the guy who they say is the creator but a high ranking soldier. He came up with the idea you were talking about. When he called Harvard, they pretended to not know who he was. Then, 30 minutes later, he gets a call back from a different number asking why he wanted to know and what he knew. The old man, realizing he was now on thin ice, made up a good excuse. It's definitely information they didn't want people to know.
>>14821809
>Implying gamers aren't a highly trained alt-right neo nazi terrorist group known as INCEL.
They're far more talented and dangerous than open heart surgeons.
0ff9f6 No.14821846
>>14821809
I speak with surgeons and corporate executives on a regular basis, and they're typically pretty fucking stupid when it comes to even basic logic, order of operation, cause:effect, and linear arithmetic. I would be driven to drink, if my shit job would pay me enough to be able to afford it. Dealing with people who make six or seven figures after tax being utterly unable to follow basic instructions is hell on your soul.
0ff9f6 No.14821866
>>14821849
Please stop talking like a woman.
e8252e No.14821869
>>14821833
>What is it and why did it happen?
It's Cultural Marxism, and it exists for the sole purpose of weakening western civilization so that (((arabs))) can conquer it.
c73d46 No.14821870
>>14821833
Gaming went the way of tv. If there is a game that gives you a strong dopamine high with no hindrance by removing all difficulty people will naturally flock to it over games where you have to earn it and the reward is delayed. This creates a downward spiral.
>>14821849
I made an argument that you can't call people objectively bad if they beat the majority and you had to get emotional over it instead of making a case for your own claim. Whose the kid here?
9e32d9 No.14821871
> He's 26,
he's old enough to have experience games without handholding, he's casual by choice not by grooming.
35114b No.14821884
I just want to know why all these failed movie directors are taking charge of my video games instead of sticking to their own garbage medium instead.
c73d46 No.14821886
>>14821876
Another tantrum. Great intellectual i see.
0e1249 No.14821889
>>14821869
>Cultural Marxism
Is not actually a thing. What you describe as "cultural marxism" isn't marxism, it's radical egalitarianism.
9dda84 No.14821892
>>14821849
>That's somehow being upset.
>Didn't even take it personally but used himself as an example of /v/ not being shit.
>Didn't even imply he was godly but simply better than the average person which isn't hard
>Calling someone childish over nothing.
>>14821870
>Gaming went the way of tv.
What I find terrible is how all the educational channels slowly went away as time went on. I used to watch Nova when I was a kid but you wouldn't find anything like that now. History channel was completely butchered too. If it's not WW2 then it doesn't exist. While I enjoyed Mythbusters and Deadliest Catch, they ruined Discovery channel. I'm not sure if the Science channel still exists.
>>14821876
Most people here are better than the majority. Have you seen the skill of the average gamer?
0ff9f6 No.14821910
>>14821884
Video games make far more money, and cost much less to produce, because fuck paying programmers what they're worth, right. It is obvious that jews would rampage into the market like a horde of rats into a granary. It's also why there are so many pizza places owned by jews. Pizza costs effectively nothing to make, and can be sold for quite a bit. Also child abduction and molestation.
>>14821903
Wheresoever you had come from, there too, must you return.
0e1249 No.14821918
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>14821892
>What I find terrible is how all the educational channels slowly went away as time went on
They didn't, they just turned into this shit.
35114b No.14821930
>>14821910
>not making your own pizza
>tfw can't be bothered to go /agdg/ and making my own vidya
9e32d9 No.14821933
>>14821918
>ANYONE BORN INTO ANYTHING GOOD IS BAD
>BEING POOR IS COOL
>NO GOALS, GIVE MONEY TO PEOPLE YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW
>WATCH ANOTHER CAT VIDEO
what channel hosts these fucking clips
0ff9f6 No.14821938
>>14821918
The thumbnail was enough. The reason why PBS and educational television were infested is because they were an effective method of indoctrinating the youth. What person between the ages of 28 and 45 doesn't know about Sesame Street, the Electric Company, Mister Rogers' Neighborhood, The Joy of Painting, Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom, Nova, 3 2 1 Contact, Dragons Wagons & Wax, All Fit with Slim Goodbody, and other stuff? Also leftist love corrupting children. It's a fetish to them, which is why so goddamn many of them are fucking pedophiles.
e7e447 No.14821939
>>14821776
"Shit" generally starts from average. Anything equal to, or lower than a K/D of ~1/1.1 means you're shit. No matter what shooter you play, there's always compensation for kills in various forms (powerups, low health targets, some memer trying to melee you, etc etc). Managing a K/D of 1 is not an achievement for this reason even though it's the widely considered average.
Playstyle affects this too. If you can't play ANY multiplayer gamemode aggressively and maintain a K/D that is greater than 1, you're shit.
An additional number I'd give is that if your rifle accuracy is <17% in a more military-type shooter, or any shooter with an ironsight mechanic, you're shit.
>memorizing the powerup timers
You shouldn't need that to win a FFA or TDM. That's something you only think about in duels.
A nice example of /v/ being trash is movement. You can tell nobody here plays MP games, let alone arena shooters (which get worshipped here funnily enough). In the gamenight matches I've played, everyone walks in straight lines (horizontal and vertical) for really long periods of time. That is completely unacceptable. Moving unpredictably is one of the FIRST things you learn not to do when you play online, and nobody here knows it.
Secondly, aim. When it comes to weapons that have visible tracers, I've seen anons shoot without prediction. It's common knowledge you aim ahead of someone if you're playing online. Not just for lag but because humans don't move like AI.
Not knowing fundamentals like that is disgusting. I can't take a board seriously about "being better than other people" when this is the level of competence they have.
>>14821844
My ping will be too high for you- I'm not EU or US.
c73d46 No.14821942
>>14821892
The way tv shows are made are also more adhd inducing now. Watching old ones on youtube you get full view angles in nature shows letting you observe the animals in a calm manner. Current ones on tv have lots of fast cuts with a wrestling type announcer and fitting music plus some shitty 3d animation.
The only resemblance of old quality are shows who mask telling things straight as comedy.
9e32d9 No.14821946
>>14821939
>let alone arena shooters (which get worshipped here funnily enough)
BECAUSE SOME ONE SAID QUAKE IS FAST AND FAST IS GOOD BECAUSE COD IS SLOW SO IF I SAY QUAKE ONLY GOOD GAME I'M SMART BECAUSE SOME ONE ELSE SAID QUAKE GOOD GAME AND HE SMART.
/v/ has always had it's own echo chamber problems and holy cows that people may not necessarily even have played here, they just know to praise it to fit in
93b75c No.14821951
>>14820913
I have met people who hate dark souls, because it is too hard for them. The issue is that they do not realize enemies telegraph moves and they try to dodge or block attacks as they come. They also run in like canon fodder and start attacking. It never dawns on them that they can focus on avoiding attacks until they understand the patterns and learn the telegraphing animations.
268a96 No.14821952
>>14821609
Oh trust me. I have already slapped his shit on many occasions. He will only play games that cater to his "nostalgia" which is shit we have played to actual fucking death like Luigi's Mansion or Tales of Symphonia. He buys every DragonBall game that comes out even though it is obvious from my utter apathy for that shit that I stopped giving a fuck about Dragonball when I turned 15. I tried to show him stuff like Killing Floor, Morrowind, Warframe(which he did like), Diablo II, Vanilla WoW, Street Fighter II. The least shit game he likes is Resident Evil 4.
But my Nephew is even worse man. He recently turn ed 18, and all he plays is flavor of the month trash. I tried to show him all of my favorite games growing up but none of them stuck. He has an Xbox One and all he plays on it is sieis. I bought him Resident Evil 4 for Christmas and he hasn't even finished Chapter 2 and it's been over a year and a half. I showed him how to play, but he doesn't care. It's all about K;D and muh rank. The least cancerous game he likes is Halo CE but that's because the only console I had back when he was little was an Xbox and that was the only game I had for it with coop. I didn't know any better back then. I just liked shooters. It's all so fucking tiresome.
3a84ea No.14821955
>>14820913
Jewed education is teaching people to be dumb, the fact that games were initially requiring mental capacity shielded us for some time, but after normalfags latched to games for good there is no coming back. We can't just unfuck players anymore, we have to unfuck entire society.
01c606 No.14821961
>>14821833
At one point, the dumbing down was aimed at expanding the market due to technology having become cheap enough for literal niggers to buy on welfare. Then games got large enough to start needing huge amounts of funding which means they had to pitch to Goldstein and he effectively got creative control. So they turned into propaganda aimed not at selling to the dumb, but creating it. Jewish gaming media shrieks when you say a game requires you to "git gud" as that means it might help teach you the thought processes necessary for success. I used to consider these life skills part of problem solving and assumed they were innate and boy was I wrong.
4eb456 No.14821962
>>14821952
>Vanilla WoW
Is that still worth playing? I didn't play it in my late school years when it was the most popular.
3a84ea No.14821970
>>14821946
t. never played quake
7b403b No.14821971
>>14821962
Fuck no, Vanilla WoW was good for it's time and that was that. Just for a quick note the game was designed around 56k modems. I played vanilla on one
268a96 No.14821972
>>14821962
It wasn't the B E S T game, but it at least forced you to read the quest text and follow instructions. It was fun to explore and discover interesting things in the world. Also the atmosphere was incredible.
34a62c No.14821977
>>14820913
Welcome to vidya, this has been the case since the early '00s.
>>14820958
One my my friends is a weird case, he was a top end Halo 1 / Goldeneye player to the point me and him had to take it easy on friends so they wouldn't quit the game but anything that takes a little brain power he is shit at.
He has played WoW for 14 years and is still a mid-tier player despite putting in 20+ hours a week that whole time.
I think some people just treat vidya as TV, they want something to relax with that takes no thought. I admit I do that myself sometimes with some turn based games but most of the time I prefer to be thinking.
3e1882 No.14821978
34a62c No.14821985
>>14821962
It's getting a re-release with soon but with how much they have dumbed down WoW over the years I would be amazed if they didn't do the same with that.
01c606 No.14821987
>>14821962
I started on day 1 and I thought it was shit. Yet now there are few games I'm more nostalgic for than classic WoW. I realize though that a lot of that was the community and the mystery and I can never have those back. No need to give shekels to the rainbow hairs of nuBlizz.
268a96 No.14821988
>>14821962
I only recommended we play it because its relatively easy to jump into and goof around. I installed a private server on both of our laptops so we could play together at work and not even level 3 and he's all I am bored, I don't like this. It's fucking infuriating dude. He'll fucking sit down and play mother FUCKING Dokkan Battle but not one of the best and most comfy MMOs with his best bro. I hate this world. I was put here to suffer.
215c0b No.14821996
>playing games since he was a kid
>sucks at them
I don't think he's a casual he just sounds bad at most video games.
Maybe there's just one genre he excels at and he hasn't found it yet?
A content creator I used to follow, Day9 used to be great at StarCraft, objectively one of the hardest games to be good at in a competitive environment, yet he sucks shit at nearly every other game I've watched him play.
34a62c No.14822002
>>14821970
>implying UT wasn't the pinnacle of area shooters
>>14821978
>implying he's wrong
/v/ has had minor echos for years with some anons following the crowd.
c73d46 No.14822003
>>14821939
agree with everything beside
>If you can't play ANY multiplayer gamemode aggressively and maintain a K/D that is greater than 1, you're shit.
in tdm with large hp pools where killtime is high you can't aggresively jump alone into groups because you get simply dpsd down faster whenever you fight with more than one enemy. It's a fps on paper but honestly feels more like a tab-target mmo cause it's just a dps race where better equip decides (pickups here) as aiming skill can't save you even if you headshot precisely. I believe destiny2 was like that for example outside of superpowers/pickup items. You might headshoot first but if three shoot back even at torso you still die first.
The powerups camping was meant for the case where your amining is shit and you need a handicap to win. If you manage to hog them you can still turn it into a positive KD by having better map control despite being worse in aiming. Basically how old people with bad reaction times can still raise above average outside of directly predicting enemy movement and ambushing people.
000000 No.14822008
>>14821694
It's not just schools, all of modern life is structured that way. Kids aren't ever in an environment where they're autonomous. They aren't even allowed to play outside and experience a skinned knee. I'm routinely supervising other artists as part of my career and the total mental dependence I see in some young people, who're ostensibly supposed to be creative, makes my skin crawl. I'll say, I need you to build x… but I need to tell them how to build it too, they can't figure it out. Girls especially will pout. Not only can they not build x without instructions, they'd never be in my position to think and decided an x is needed, not a y or a z.
sage for off topic blog post I guess.
01c606 No.14822018
>>14822002
UT was for the dudebros of the day that couldn't play Quake. Not to say I didn't play UT on occasion, but it was to relax with friends. Thanks, cliffyb.
0ff9f6 No.14822021
>>14821939
I'd been banned from many a 2142 server in the mid 2000s for walking without rhythm (to avoid attracting the worm), and doing shit like bounding grenades off of walls so they would explode behind me, flanking enemies constantly, mixing my explosives in with theirs, shooting their explosives from a distance so they would get teamkills and friendly fire warnings, and all kinds of shit. I played Cowadoody MW2 once, and got first place with no deaths by LYING IN THE GRASS AND SNIPING PEOPLE WHO STOOD STILL IN THE OPEN.
>>14821946
You could always leave.
>>14821951
I don't like playing Dark Souls, but I respect it as a good game, just not for me. I don't like green peppers, but I don't think they're shit. I just personally dislike their flavor.
>>14821955
Unfortunately, such an un-fucking is not likely to happen during any of our lifespans. They push shit nearly to the breaking point, then walk it back a few steps. Image related.
34a62c No.14822030
>>14821939
I would consider < 1/1 KDR shit with 1/1 being average. The thing about averages is 50% of people are worse and 50% are better.
>accuracy is <17% in a more military-type shooter
Surpression is a thing especially in realistic shooters with 1-2 hit kills. There are times in ARMA / Squad where I'll be putting bursts on a window / door for 3+ magazines while my mates flank the pinned enemy. That is ~90 deliberate misses because the goal isn't to kill the guy but to keep his attention.
>/v/ gamenight matches
If they were any good at the game they would be playing in their regular group / on their regular server instead of with /v/.
34a62c No.14822034
>>14822018
I loved the faster pass of UT and UT2004 was glorius (but well after Quake.
29b6f3 No.14822035
The correct term is normalfags.
And yes, they ruined it, as they do with everything.
Killing 90% of the world's population is a necessity at this point, to even being able to have fun.
e4b153 No.14822036
>>14820913
You have to define "Grew up playing games" because unless you've dedicated an embarrassing amount of time to playing video games of various genres you'd probably be shit at something if not most of it and most casuals and non-gamers are like that.
Also, if you feel such animosity towards him because he's bad at videogames why is he even your friend? We are the people we associate with so if you don't want to be a casual scrub drop him and get better friends or you know accept that not everyone is as autistic as you are.
63cd54 No.14822042
>tfw love shooters but have wrist issues that make aiming difficult
34a62c No.14822043
>>14822035
No need to worry, with the growth of mobile gaymen hopefully the casuals will all move there in the next couple of years and get off our PC servers.
341bad No.14822048
>>14821786
>Americans not knowing who Stalin is
This wounds me as a history buff. I have plenty of acquaintances who know about and typically despise Stalin, but then again I don't like associating with retards, so there's probably plenty who don't.
03d787 No.14822049
>>14820913
I think the main reason most of us are here is precisely because of this; nearly the entirety of the world of vidya is garbage made for garbage people and this is a refuge from most of it. My older brother is the same way; he utterly refuses a challenge and always plays on the easiest difficulty; in his youth he'd explore every corner of every RPG map and had little trouble with mega man. It's really depressing.
3a84ea No.14822055
>>14822002
>implying implications
I merely said that Quake isn't bad.
>>14822021
In case of 2142 I wasn't interested in FPS at the time, but with MW2 you can blame no one but yourself for expecting the normalfaggest of crowds to think.
93b75c No.14822072
>>14822018
UT was more enjoyable. Also, TacOps had better levels than CS. People who played Quake were often tremendous faggots about being killed before they could get their favorite weapon. Merely denying people access would cause them to rage and start bitching about camping. Many servers had rules against camping.
1ee676 No.14822086
35114b No.14822093
>>14822021
Is 2142 still alive? I really want to play it again.
0ff9f6 No.14822139
>>14822093
It was briefly resurrected by NEVAR DRUMPH faggots, then EA put the boot on it. You didn't miss much, though it was strange, not being banned for winning a round.
3bae0d No.14822140
>>14822008
Or you're just bad at giving requirements. "Do X" is bad instructions. How many X do you need? Where do you need the X? Do you want the X such that you can shove it up your ass because you're a colossal faggot like the faggots I have to deal with here because they don't know how to be specific enough to give me the information I need to know what you want?
t. assmad wageslave programmer
35114b No.14822162
>>14822139
What do I play then? Angels Fall First when it goes out of EA? Is that even good?
63c877 No.14822205
>>14822002
>Using cuckchan memes
Yes, he's wrong
6c3955 No.14822212
>>14822205
Who cares where it's from as long it's a fun meme
4eb456 No.14822225
>>14821971
>>14821972
>>14821985
>>14821987
>>14821988
Fuck, I was afraid of that. I always miss out on the best stuff. With the state of the industry and the people today it's unlikely to find such an experience now.
fecf95 No.14822232
>>14821688
>buying censored games
You are no better than them.
4ad89a No.14822252
>>14822225
> I wish could have experienced something I could have experienced
Said every mmo player ever.
93b75c No.14822261
>>14822225
>With the state of the industry and the people today it's unlikely to find such an experience now.
Earlier MMOs had more freedom. That is gone, because game developers realized that it was a mistake to let some people have too much fun. People forget about all the people in general chat who were bitching about PvP holding up their questing on PvP servers.
2f7293 No.14822281
Doom used to be fun, but I can't stand the faggotry in that scene anymore.
c73d46 No.14822285
>>14822140
If you work with clients outside your field, you can't expect them to give you specifications. They don't have the knowledge for it. The only way you can think about something is if you have a concept of it. If you don't know what email is you will never ask for an email notification for example. That's why it's your job to handhold the client and tell them the options. They literally are incapable to know what they really want.
a28ea6 No.14822293
>>14822261
I remember nothing but, shit guys horde are here watch out and then a big shit flinging contest would break out and we would have to get our mains because that shit would escalate until one party got camped into oblivion and the only way to put a stop to it was to get our mains, eventually this would boil over into a full on gunk squad of 50-60s and a handful of lower levels riding around shittting on any horde who dared show their face in the zone for the next several hours. PeP interrupted questing because it was fun. You didn't need an incentive protecting your faction from rival gankers and being a big damn hero was all the motivation you needed.
85ee04 No.14822328
I've had that experience along with friends and even family members that I grew up with playing actual good games back in the day and know what a good game is, but have now either become complacent with the current state of gaming and get whatever modern shit is hyped up, or have stopped playing vidya altogether would've been at that point myself had I not found imageboards and started a backlog of good games years ago. some of them have gone back to "older" games, but they're usually the cancerous multiplayer games (CS:GO, DOTA 2, etc.) instead of something they may have missed while growing up. If it weren't for all the outside, peer, and self-imposed pressure they have on them to get these shit games over the years, I wonder how many of them would've turned out differently.
358d3d No.14822345
>>14821730
>>14821939
Any time you ask them why they hate MP games to the point where they shit threads with "<multiplayer games <good fuck off lmao", you will rarely see any valid responses. You will only get faggots subtly bitching about "RNG" or using excuses about some other shit that only happens on mainstream cancer MP games, or they will just downboathide your thread with non-arguments.
Reminder that /v/ also used to love arcade games until some yidditors started pushing the excuse that arcades were P2W. I could go on for many old /v/ niches like CRPGs, Doom, Old WRPGs, S.T.A.L.K.E.R and so on. /v/ is pisseasy to subvert.
6f3975 No.14822355
>>14822293
This. Nothing beat riding in with t3 gear and shitting on 3 guys with preraid gear who had been terrorizing Darkshire for the last hour and then being surrounded by low levels saying thank you after it becomes clear they took rez sickness to get away. The problem is that too many players play the meta, not the game. An MMO is only fun for so long as it is not yet datamined, or has guides for everything. So they exist in the ideal state for about a year, a golden age as mastery of the game reaches its peak, but then th star players who are fun to play with and against leave. Leaving only pretenders and imitators behind.
93b75c No.14822358
>>14822293
It was fun. Unfortunately, blizzard likely received complaints when boats and questing areas got camped. Once battlegrounds were implemented, killing NPCs was punished and those activities ceased. Being a hero is difficult when controls are put in place. Few people have an appreciation for a good villain, which is what is necessary for these spontaneous events to occur.
Shadowbane had an interesting thing occur to it over time. There were 2 or 3 servers that had major PvP guilds on them. Those servers were a blast as there was often plenty of conflict. The PvP guilds were antagonistic and so it ended up being them against the rest of the population. As for the rest of the servers, they had no major PvP guilds and everyone ended up joining one huge guild that dominated the server.
b70003 No.14822374
It's the genres now, not the times. You're looking for the wrong experiences or you are mistaking ease of use with casuals in and of itself. I should know, I played Tribes over 56k in 1999 and Tribes 2 in 2002 over the same connection. Counter-Strike beta to 1.3 at 350+ ping, and TFC similarly.
Yet I play Overwatch and have no issues with it. Yes, the characters are products of industrial psychologists and it wouldn't surprise me if the next character is a fat black lesbian missing her legs with an afro… but the gameplay is really all the same.
c73d46 No.14822380
>>14822374
Only that they ban you in overwatch if you play "wrong" or even dare to write nonmeta advice in chat.
b70003 No.14822385
>>14822374
Wanna just add that I was in a top raiding guild on Mannoroth in Vanilla WoW and the fun of the game was being a unit from War3 in the same world. Once it became so iterative and they had you defeating Kil'jaeden the game became so rote and monotonous.
b70003 No.14822389
>>14822380
True. That is why I've been playing more R6 Siege lately.
268a96 No.14822393
>>14822355
I disagree. I played on Elysium and Light's Hope private servers last year and it was a good time. Tons of active PVP and AQ40 wasn't even out and almost no one had asscandy. Arcanite Reaper was still relatively meta. It was nice.
e83268 No.14822396
>>14821946
I don't know about quake, but you're not wrong on the echo chamber part. There's so much games people here admire out of faith for /v/'s general taste in video games and because everyone praises them, which nobody dare criticize, and even once they do, they're insulted rather than being offered a serious discussion about "why is it it sucks".
Though I'd definitely say that /v/ is less of a hivemind than any other website, on which that kind of behaviour is unending.
000000 No.14822402
>>14822140
Getting specific about the work, there are people who give shitty art direction ("make it wow me!") but I'm not one, and I once did all the jobs I'm in charge of. There's a certain level of professional competence expected if you apply for a job on a film set.
Lets say I need a mask made in paper mache and I provide 3 photo references, the relevant page of the screenplay, and tell them the color and a couple other things to keep in mind. Seriously even laying it out you get people who are too mentally lazy. I have to google the exact method, tell him to make a few tries because the first is soggy shit. Presumably what makes him an artist and why I pay him is that he'd be able to tackle a minor artistic challenge. This guy in question is never going to get anything really creative or important delegated to him unless he grows up and can tackle stuff on his own.
0ff9f6 No.14822407
>>14822162
Do what I do. Play nothing at all. Or classic games. BF2142 and BF2 were lightning in a goddamn bottle, and we'll not see their like again. For the uninitiated, here's what they brought to the table:
64 players simultaneously
Wide variety of equipment and vehicles, with some interactive map objects
Squad-based gameplay that rewarded teamwork
Squad VOIP for immediate communication
Commanders who could issue orders to squad leaders, and provide missile strikes, UAV scans, jeeps, and supply crates.
Squad leader and Commander VOIP for high level communication
Merits for excellent performance that translated into promotions and equipment unlocks
Fun
9e32d9 No.14822408
>>14822389
Ubisoft looking to reddit for feedback has hurt siege immensely, shouldn't be surprised of course but things like removing twitches ammo just because some reddit shitter can't shoot a fat drone that can't jump, effectively gutting that characters gadget and punishing people who were good with it.
>>14822396
>Though I'd definitely say that /v/ is less of a hivemind than any other website
of course, but there's a certain level of conditioned thinking in here that happens which is kinda annoying when something happens like
>what about [game]
>gtfo shill the replacement intern on the audio compiling team is 15% jew. Talking about any game made after 2005 is shilling.
or
>what about [shooter game]?
>its not FEAR or Quake so it's garbage
I love FEAR too but goddamn there's nothign left to talk about regarding it
93b75c No.14822412
>>14822380
Multiplayer games often develop an etiquette to playing that players must follow or face being kicked/banned.
b70003 No.14822413
>>14822407
All of that comes out in niche titles since every "success" of a game now requires more players than Ultima Online brought in 1995.
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fecf95 No.14822430
>>14822355
>An MMO is only fun for so long as it is not yet datamined, or has guides for everything.
I think the real problem is that there is no monetization model for an MMO that sets the right incentives for publishers to make a good game. Subscription encourages padding with meaningless grind to keep people playing for longer. F2P encourages locking basic features away from players, and encourages devs to spend their time on the cash shop rather than new content for everyone. Paid expansions encourage devs to punish those who don't buy them, by locking certain core parts of the game unless you own the latest expansion. Paying a single price with no further monetization leads to dead games that don't receive content updates or needed maintenance. Early MMOs were capable of being good because publishers hadn't figured these things out yet.
Single player games don't have this problem because devs aren't trying to make something you'll play forever. Other online multiplayer games didn't have this problem until devs started insisting on taking the power to run servers out of the players' hands.
56de68 No.14822440
>>14822412
And in older multiplayer games, that etiquette was defined and enforced by the players and the rules may vary between servers. Now the developers are in charge of that etiquette, seeking only to maximize profitability at the expense of player agency.
Being banned from one server because nobody liked micspam does not lock you out of playing the game for an extended period of time. Joining a server and calling the gamedev a troglodyte did not cause the actual developer to join the server, argue with you, and then ban you from the whole fucking game. In some servers you were/are allowed to call the server owner and his pet monkeys fat-faced cake-consumers with tiny peepees and they would just call you stupid and the game would carry on.
Surely you can tell the difference between a player-enforced etiquette, varying from server to server, and a developer/publisher that bans middleschoolers for calling the opposition gay.
c73d46 No.14822442
>>14822412
In other games players would flame you if you played "wrong" but the devs never banned you for it. Especially not for suggesting a different tactic. Blizz literally created a precedent in being the worst here unless you want to include things like "don't kill your teammates" in games where it wasn't hardcoded in cause devs were slow as fucl.
fecf95 No.14822460
>>14822412
The difference is that you would get kicked or banned from individual servers before, but now get banned from the whole game. The old system allowed people to sort themselves into micro-communities that fit their playstyle, the new system insists on everyone following the same etiquette and rules set by the devs.
9e32d9 No.14822463
>>14822412
that might only apply to older days where everything had servers and communities actually developed naturally. A more modern multiplayer game is all tuned so you can only really play it the way the devs intend and they quickly start patching out exploits. If bunnyhopping was figured out in this day and age you bet your ass that would get patched out immediately
9e32d9 No.14822501
>>14822460
despite devs trying to create communities they only fracture them further through using matchmaking for everything. You might party up with some randos for a handful of rounds but most times you won't see them again and just stick to solo or stack up with some guys you already knew in your own chat client. Devs also trying to put their foot down against what they consider toxic players, has only created more "toxicity" because having reliance on matchmaking means no one cares about acting like a little shit. Not gonna see those players again anyway right? In severs you could self moderate so if you're so deranged you wanna make a no swearing server you can and then you just boot people who say nigger, and those people will go to a more lax server. Some one made a pretty accurate infograph of this stuff but I didn't save it
34a62c No.14822516
>>14822501
Matchmaking is the cancer killing MP communities, I get that it's to make it easy to quickly get into a game bbut I wish they would have traditional server lists alongside it.
I have been on the same RO servers for years and have gotten to know a lot of the guys because we kept playing together long after the initial influx of players was gone.
93b75c No.14822558
>>14822396
Was everyone here browsing server lists on QuakeWorld and GameSpy or having LAN parties in the 90s? Those who weren't might have an opinion on Quake as a game, but they wouldn't have an opinion on playing Quake in the 90s. I wouldn't call that a hivemind. It is an opinion formed from an experience that is more or less ideal.
>>14822440
>>14822442
>>14822460
>>14822463
I understand a problem today is developers enforcing etiquette. Players will do that themselves. Player etiquette can bring about the same issues, but they would be constrained to specific servers or times of the day. Though, I'm not convinced player etiquette would be the same today due to social media and large gaming communities doing their own enforcement. Is the current situation due to developers alone, or are players who took their complaints to developers also to blame? Why do complaints often mask the positive experiences players have?
ffc3c9 No.14822584
Recently I introduced a friend to Silent Hill 2 and watched him play it, he got stuck at the very first riddle with the clock, having no idea what the game meant by Henry, Mildred and Scott. I ended up outright telling him what they meant so we can move on, then he lost interest when he found out he has to go looking for a key and a flashlight… It's unfathomable how short the attention pan of people is nowadays.
9e32d9 No.14822594
>>14822516
>I get that it's to make it easy to quickly get into a game bbut I wish they would have traditional server lists alongside it.
Yeah I don't hate matchmaking on principle because I myself play lots of my game solo so I don't have qualms with getting matched with whoever for a match, but the sad part is that console games like halo 2 had way better handled matchmaking and people were always hosting custom games which made for their own little console "servers" and it was just easier to do it all. I don't know how we managed to devolve from xbox era networking
>be a dumb teenager playing halo 2
>hop on, see my buddies are on, join their game instantly, que up in a variety of different matchmaking list options or go jump into custom games
>try it on a more modern game, trying to get three plus guys in a party now involves third party chat clients and sometimes the game itself will be on a different client for each player depending how they purchased it
>at least one full-game reset just to get one guy into the party
>go into matchmaking ques restricted to 'casual' or 'ranked'. can't play ranked together anyway because guys in party have ranking differences or no ranks
>go into casual setlist, it can take upwards of two minutes to find a game if you guys have different hours in the game because the system thinks you're trying to carry or smurf, but really one of the guys just got the game last week and another guy has been playing for 4 months
>get dumped into a match that's already started, losing side
>return to que since there's no rematch option, or vote for next map, or any of those things that were available in CONSOLE SHOOTERS in the mid 2ks
>hopefully you didn't have one of your party members get disconnected
>>14822558
>or are players who took their complaints to developers also to blame?
depends who the developers listen to. A big issue is the players who complain are the players who are just bad. So they go to reddit and the official forums and bitch that they got fucking dunked on 6 matches in a row for being incompetent and it's the fault of the character/gun/class/map. the good players don't complain because they keep playing the game instead of tabbing out to whine.
>Why do complaints often mask the positive experiences players have?
see above, complaints make it to the forums, people enjoying the game aren't going to make posts like 'wow had a really fun match, it was close but we won, good times" because they'll go play another match
1426b0 No.14822614
>get genuinely surprised when games encourage you to think outside the box because you're just so used to games pushing you into only being able to do things a certain way
Anybody else experience this?
34a62c No.14822636
>>14822614
I don't play many new games so don't get that. Instead I start playing a new game online and have to learn the tactics that work in that game.
I got into World of Tanks recently freenium sucks cock but no decent MP armor games and figuring out how to use all the classes and weapons effectivly has been a hell of a learning curve.
9b1d23 No.14822642
>>14822614
Unfortunately yes. Similar feeling when I solve a puzzle in a retarded way the devs didn't intend but it lets me do it anyway without breaking anything or glitching. BOTW is good for that.
9e32d9 No.14822650
>>14822642
god damnit what game was it, i was playing some more modern piece of fuckery recently and I entered a puzzle room, I took a moment to just look around and mess with stuff and the game then highlights the answers because it decided i was taking too long
9b1d23 No.14822656
>>14822650
AAA or indie shit?
9e32d9 No.14822659
>>14822656
AAA, it might of been skyrim or fallout (pirated/loaned of course)
1426b0 No.14822667
>>14822636
I played Darkwood recently and was (unfortunately) pretty shocked you could actually use things like alcohol and gasoline for things other than making molotovs or fueling generators respectively. For starters you can drink alcohol as an impromptu healing item and can pour gasoline on the ground and light it on fire if you've got matches (and if you need an impromptu light source you can light up furniture) - the game never tells you any of this and I only found out after the fact. Kinda stung, honestly.
06a1d9 No.14822670
>>14822614
First time playing Fallout New Vegas kickstarted my brain out of flatlining. It was such a new and unique experience, completely revitalised my love of video games and caused me to delve deeper than ever before in search of even better experiences. It was the game I'd always dreamt of playing but thought would never exist due to lowest common denominator development.
7cfc5f No.14822680
>>14822345
Arcade games are pay to win, but there's nothing necessarily wrong with that.
93b75c No.14822699
>>14822501
>>14822516
>matchmaking
Take a look at the multiplayer service that was devised for Dragon Quest Heroes 2. It was designed so a multiplayer session would never occur without people organizing it outside of the service. Seemed like a way to advertise multiplayer without having to support it.
34a62c No.14822712
>>14822699
That was the norm back in the day, there was no server lists or anything like that just a connect button that opened a text field for IP and port number.
93b75c No.14822781
>>14822712
I find it funny they built a convoluted matchmaking system that made it more difficult to connect to a game than directly connecting using an IP and port. It isn't due to population or popularity. I was able to find people to play with on Crystal Chronicles Echoes of Time 6 months after release. Multiplayer could have been done the same way in DQH2 and finding games would have been easy.
268a96 No.14822880
>>14822614
NuDoom had a lot of things like that. Finding all of the switches for the hidden maps was hard as fuck, some of them were incredibly well hidden in areas you didn't think were possible to reach. Even now I don't think I could find all of the secrets in that game first try. There was one in the second map that required you to travel back around the area with the arena before the yellow keycard, hit a switch using that keycard, and then go up to the area where you actually retrieved the keycard and had you smash a grate, the only one like that in the game to reach a vent that never shows up anywhere else in the whole game to get the green armor that is locked away in the room after you get the chainsaw.
There is also the secret that requires you to hit the red button to stop the magnetic lift to get the green armor above the chainsaw area itself.
There is also the Doomguy hidden in the fucking wall of the circular arena in the helix stone arena. Took me forever to find that one. Say what you will about NuDoom that game had some genuinely baller secrets.
a6a750 No.14822957
>>14821952
Anon, there's hope. I'm 18, and not like your nephew. I would love to git gud at Xonotic but most serbs are burger and I'm a yuropean, making the experience Australian internet connection tier. Also some maps crash my PC because I bought into le epin gayming laptops when I was 12, and spent a lot of my savings in vain.
ec94af No.14822991
>>14822358
>Shadowbane
damn, i finally found an anon who remembers this game. it was way ahead of its time.
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c73958 No.14823100
3a84ea No.14823112
>>14822636
>World of Tanks
TURN BACK WHILE YOU STILL CAN
9b12de No.14823449
>>14821869
It baffles me people think (((jews)))) are behind SJW's when SJW's fucking hate jews and Israel. /pol/tards are just as delusional as SJW's, eespecially since they are outright supporting mass surveillance and opposing NN just because MUH LEFTISTS are against/for them
501403 No.14823575
>>14823449
>le horseshoe faec xD
>doesn't contribute to the thread
Back to >>>/liberty/.
310e60 No.14823739
>>14823449
>net neutrality
This has to be bait.
01f067 No.14824084
>>14822093
>>14822139
Wait Revive Network proclaimed themselves anti-Trump? When? Does this mean their shutdown was another case of the Trump curse? Fucking hell.
cfb7a0 No.14824109
>>14821730
>That's why any competitive/ranked game can never be discussed here
There was a Xonotic thread for almost 2 years.
ce66f5 No.14824116
>>14822614
I had that when I realized that you have to aim for enemies' necks and not their heads to do critical damage when using a melee weapon in Killing Floor
24dab5 No.14824160
>>14824118
>we cut out confusing, hidden bullshit that required the tedium of diligently searching every corner of the room to find a number of hidden objects to complete a puzzle that didn't need to be Where's Waldo
Sounds pretty normal.
>>14824127
>we made it so there's a constant feeling of progression in the tunnels instead of it being looping with confusing pathways and some areas where it's difficult to tell which way is the right way
Makes sense.
>We made it so A = A so the players can logically solve the puzzle quickly and easily
What the fuck is wrong with any of these, they all just sound like it's removing tedium.
1ae91b No.14824161
>>14821918
>its always a white woman and some asian
ce66f5 No.14824173
>>14824160
They sound reasonable aside from the guy that literally went in circles for 30 minutes. That's literal subhuman.
1ae91b No.14824180
>>14824160
I hope this is bait but i'll bite anyways.
If you remove "Where's Waldo"
Then where's the gameplay element?
If you remove the maze like tunnel than where the feel of accomplishment for figuring out the maze?
we made it A=A
why not make it more difficult rather than make it so linear?, why is the generator running without a power source, you telling me its too difficult to jolt the generator? the fucking vortigaunts taught you that earlier and it never got used again.
8acd4c No.14824186
>>14821306
>defend esports
>reddit spaces
Into the trash (((you))) go
bc1876 No.14824195
>>14822670
what about it was so special?
268a96 No.14824224
>>14821306
Those tournaments were CAL leagues which were basically run indeoendently. Not even remotely the same as Blizzcon Overwatch League 2018 sponsored by (((ESPN))) you basic fucking bitch. Tournaments used to be almost entirely run by hobbyists. Only ID ran their own torments at this time and that was back when ID wasn't owned by (((Zenimax)))
268a96 No.14824231
>>14824195
You can turn off the compass for one and still get a general idea of how to locate quest objectives because the quest givers tell you where to go and who to speak to and how to get there.
310e60 No.14824322
>>14821306
But games weren't designed purely around those fucking tournaments, you double nigger. Esports aren't healthy, fun competition, it's a bunch of no-fun-allowed faggots trying to out cheese each other to win large sums of money. And since that pulls a huge fucking audience, games are designed around that, fun mechanics and characters are replaced with sterile shit that never changes, and optimal builds, loadouts, characters and strategies. Normalfags who play these games obviously follow this shit to the letter, and if you don't, you get reported or teamkilled, possibly fucking banned, just because you didn't pick an optimal character or loadout.
fb4513 No.14824341
>>14820947
Absolutely this. I've seen 8/v/ anons try to play PS2 and TF2, and what not and they're fucking dumber than a bag of hammers.
1aeb4a No.14824342
I have no energy anymore. I used to just think games were getting worse due to the changing tastes of the industry leaving me behind, but now that I know it's a top-down effort to subvert the last major entertainment medium that is predominantly male outside of sports, and now that I know that the issues gaming faces comprise just one head of a massive hydra that is attempting to destroy the current social order itself, I find myself not wanting to participate in the hobby (my former passion in life) at all anymore.
Older games sometimes scratch the itch, but playing them is sad as well, because it only further rubs it in that this medium is being forced out of its potential. In the 90s and early 2000s, I looked forward to nearly every major release, as they all seemed to be pushing the envelope of what a video game was capable of. Generational leaps actually felt significant, and it felt like the future held endless opportunities. Compare that to the current era, where I couldn't tell the difference between late PS3/360 titles and launch PS4/XBO titles by looking at them. The only steps forward are inresolution and framerate. The mid-tier AA devs that could actually innovate and offer interesting experiences have all but vanished, being replaced with vapid, utterly soulless "indie devs", who are only capable of aping old classics under the guise of "retro" homages.
As a result the only games I find myself playing any more are shitty games that I can just waste time in. Bethesda games, the Witcher 3; those are the only games that keep me occupied, because they are so mindless that you can just escape into them for hours doing absolutely nothing and never feeling truly accomplished; but at least you're distracted for a while. The Souls series has been the only series to truly engage me in the past 10 years, but due to its release on PC, the broader fanbase treats it like a multiplayer online battle arena and completely misses the point of seamless integrated multiplayer, and it seems that Bandai as a publisher would rather cater to them than to the original concept of an interconnected, anonymous world. The fact that there is an arena mode in Dark Souls 3 sickened me, and made me lose a little bit of the small amount of hope and enthusiasm for gaming I still had.
Now there's lots of talk about developers abandoning single-player entirely. The rise of Twitch and e-celebs/cam-whores has given massive exposure to the shittiets, most entry level, lowest common denominator games possible, as those are the game most accessible by the types of attention whores to plaster themselves all over Twitch. And because of games like that and people like them, the younger generation's conception of gaming is one of memes and meme culture, of reaction videos, of endlessly mindless and ever mediocre multiplayer streamer-bait filled with lootboxes and microtransactions. So much so to the point that single-player video games themselves are being abandoned by AAA devs left and right.
It was my dream since I was a little boy to become a game designer. Now I'm so jaded I don't know if I will ever reach that goal. This world has destroyed so many of the things I once enjoyed, and it has chipped away at gaming as well, and even that may finally buckle. My gaming skills have deteriorated as I play less and less games, but it isn't due to incompetence. It's due to the despair I feel about the fate of gaming as a whole, which sucks out much of the joy gaming once held for me.
0392fc No.14824345
>>14824303
>5 years in and out of community college, dropping out then going back, all for a 2 year degree
Whatever all the gay shit you wrote after that isn't worth reading because by the second sentence you convinced me you're a mental retard. Even the stupidest millennial faggot can muster enough brainpower to earn official toilet paper.
000000 No.14824379
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>>14823449
Why are horseshoe theory bros the most proudly misinformed?
>>14824303
>>14824342
Idk if this is pasta since you posted twice. But if what's happening to videogames depresses you, don't think about what's been done to painting and music.
0392fc No.14824391
>>14824379
>>14824303 and >>14824342 is all the same wall of shit except that one sentence I criticized him for.
Lol what a gay.
1aeb4a No.14824426
>>14824379
I deleted it due to the first post containing personal blog tier shit no one cares about.
I know full well what they've done to art and music. Whenever a new medium arises that has the potential to break through their control, they swoop down on it and force it to regurgitate the same subversive messages as everything else. Games have a unique ability to reach people due to having them play out the events and decisions in a virtual environment, and that's the very thing we're going to lose the more control (((they))) get. Japan is a bastion for now, but they've got their own issues, and access to their games gets more and more limited as time goes on due to not being "suitable" to a Western audience (aka, not following the script). I honestly don't see how gaming could escape the fate every other medium has suffered, unless some actually talented people get popular in the indie scene instead of the usual hipsters and lesbians.
fb4982 No.14824433
You're putting the cart before the horse. Games aren't being made easy because young people are dumb. Those people just grew up on games that did the difficult part for them. It's like never learning basic maths because you've always had a pocket calculator on hand, and then being told to add something up in your head.
fb4982 No.14824471
>>14824231
Had you never played a Zelda game or anything?
24dab5 No.14824481
>>14824180
>Then where's the gameplay element?
So HL2 is a puzzle game, and not a story-driven FPS? Those changes removed frustration, you don't make a game better by making it more confusing.
06c630 No.14824525
>>14824471
Yea bro let me tell you how Ocarina of time is exactly the same as 10 mile wide game world with hundreds of unique NPCs, quests, and interactive environmental details are even remotely similar.
fb4982 No.14824538
>>14824525
Same principle on a larger scale.
1aeb4a No.14824546
>>14824525
New Vegas is much more straight-forward than Ocarina of Time, even with Navi constantly giving you hints. In New Vegas every little part of the quest is added to a checklist on your Pip Boy, whereas Navi only hints at very specific things, and far from everything required to progress.
000000 No.14824571
>>14824426
Yeah I feel you. Living in a cultural decline is bleak mostly because you're surrounded by people with the hubris to think their degraded position is the hottest shit in civilization's history. I guess a lot of times they can't think otherwise. It'd be tantamount to admitting they've been horribly and irreparably violated.
I'm an artist so all this shit cuts deep, especially since I'm not with the program. I see what you're talking about firsthand. I wish I knew more people irl who were hip to what's happening, or willing to be honest and pursue the uncomfortable truth, or willing to sacrifice their paychecks for their ideals.
bbd7ee No.14824605
Video Games were always made for money, you were just too stupid to realize it.
b4e9e2 No.14824637
>>14821619
they don't want the correct answer, they want your answer
0e1249 No.14824686
>>14824546
I think NV is by far the better game of the two, besides OoT's legendary soundtrack, but yeah you're right, at the base level the player is never asked to do anything beyond follow A > B quest markers when it comes to navigation.
b0e87f No.14824690
>>14821951
>They also run in like canon fodder and start attacking.
Oh fuck, this reminds me of how every single game journalist who played Rain World complained about the scavengers. Scavengers are this neutral race of creatures who do their best to avoid conflict by backing away and firing warning shots, but they pretty quickly realize you aren't a threat and become passive if you don't engage. You can even trade with them for stuff by dropping them gifts. Of course game journalists ran straight into them spears blazing, and then had to deal with angry scavengers for a good section of the game. I know this because every article I could find mentions that the neutral nature of the scavengers is some kind of
"cryptic secret the game should have explained".
They literally cannot pick up even the most basic and primal body language and visual cues. This kind of shit transcends "being a casual", that's just plain stupid no matter how much experience you have with games.
And what fucking blows my mind, is that despite the creatures doing everything in their power to signal their peacefulness they didn't stop to think for even 1 second "huh, that's weird, why is he not attacking anymore?". Which must mean that they actually thought they dodged those warning shots and killed this guy minding his own business, they actually thought they were some kind of badass when they killed a sitting duck.
This is what goes through their minds when they play a casual game. They actually think they are being some kind of badass when the enemies are intentionally missing and standing out in the open, waiting to get killed. They don't think "This is too easy", they think "Man, I'm unstoppable!".
6930bf No.14824781
>>14824690
you sure they are not some 9 to 5 desk jocky that has 4 hrs to play a game b4 zer gets to "review" it?
"aw shit got to get as far as i can holy shit got to get street cred for getting X far into the game"
9e32d9 No.14824823
>>14824690
>. Of course game journalists ran straight into them spears blazing
it's funny because they're the same people who will say "why is violence the only answer in games" while just slaughtering everything that walks in front of them
d85662 No.14824979
>>14824690
How was Rain World? I've heard a lot of different opinions on it, but its always looked so damn appealing.
>>14823449
Net Neutrality WAS the mass surveillance, you fucking moron.
06c630 No.14825008
>>14824690
That whole concept sounds Bad. Ass. Tell me more professor-kun. Is the game any good?
46abbd No.14825027
>>14820913
>>14821951
My older brother was interested in NuGow, So I suggested he play the original GoW first so he at least understood some backstory for Kratos,
And holy shit was he Bad at the game, I didn't truly understand the meaning of button mashing until I saw him playing, he was on Normal, but if he was on hard he never would have gotten anywhere.
He spammed Magic whenever he could, he didn't pay attention to his move list whatsoever, opting to just spam square for every fight. he died during the platforming a ridiculous amount of times, and when he finally got to the last boss against Ares he failed the Final QTE like 20 times in a row. I had no idea someone could be so bad at a game as straight forward as God of War 1.
It's no wonder they made such radical Changes when it came to NuGoW's gameplay, Casuals literally aren't able to play PS2 era action games anymore.
9e32d9 No.14825037
>>14824979
reading this is kinda nauseating
bc1876 No.14825087
>>14824979
>that pic
jesus fucking christ, is there any hope left?
36e509 No.14825089
>>14824979
>cuckchan
>quotes and credits reddit
Every time I think that place can't sink any lower it does. It's impressive in a way.
63d540 No.14825094
9e32d9 No.14825125
>>14825094
in a way that you can slip shit through congress just by putting a bunch of reading in the way or by just naming something malicious "net neutrality" everyone will think it's cool. I'm not up to snuff on my politics a lot mind you and I always figured a lot of government stuff was frontloaded to keep most people from reading into it but still
671148 No.14825135
>>14825057
>not posting dark souls 3
63d540 No.14825149
>>14825125
Ah, that. It's a pretty common tactic for sketchy junk, to hide it inside an unrelated bill. That's how the Patriot Act got passed, soon after 9/11. They were given basically zero time to read it and told to vote now, told that it was going to help deal with terrorism, and told that it would fix everything. So they voted it in, like a bunch of assholes, and created massive government overreach for the foreseeable future.
And when it comes time to vote to extend some sketchy junk that a lot of people have problems with, sometimes, they let people attempt to filibuster it so that it expires. The idea behind a filibuster is to delay, delay, delay, until the bill's time for extension is expired. Rand Paul and a handful of others did it to the Patriot Act a couple of years ago, chattering for hours and reading names from the phone book. It worked, and the Patriot Act expired. For a few scant days, the NSA and Homeland Security were operating illegally. And then the Freedom Act was pushed through Congress and reinstated all the perks of the Patriot Act and a few extra.
Nausea is probably an appropriate response. I know it's how I felt, followed by eventually understanding why a lot of /pol/acks are kind of irritable a lot of the time.
bdfefd No.14825165
>>14821465
God, I hope I never sink this low. I've tried to give mobile phone games a chance, but they're so boring to me. Too simple for me, in all honesty. I'm one of those types who likes to explore new worlds and get lost for hours in a game or it's story. But I'm afraid the less I can find this type of game, the more my skills just begin to deteriorate. I'm hoping Cyberpunk 2077 when it comes out, hopefully scratches that itch I have. Otherwise, I'm going to stick with the HD versions of Shenmue 1 and 2 in the meantime.
ef7f9f No.14825204
>>14822021
>. I don't like green peppers
smdh
29b6f3 No.14825207
>>14822043
It is still worthy to kill 90% of the world's population.
93b75c No.14825276
>>14824571
>willing to sacrifice their paychecks for their ideals
Would people gaming the system have any ideals to sacrifice? What ideal does a person who is in debt by tens of millions have that they are willing to fall on their sword for? I took my talents to another industry to make money, and the work that is my passion I do independently. I'd recommend doing the same if you can.
06c630 No.14825310
>>14825165
Those games are everywhere nowadays though. It's just most of them are cookie cutter trash. The last open hueg game I liked was Breath of the Wild. You feel so free and the minimalist soundtrack was comfy. You can literally go anywhere your abilities can take you and everything you do matters because there are only two things you have to do in the game. Get of the peninsula and defeat ganon. Everything sandwiched between those two things was link preparing for the final battle. It was nice to play an open world game where everything you did actually mattered, even if most of the content was puzzles. I still really liked it.
06c630 No.14825315
>>14825310
plateau sage for doubles posting.
358d3d No.14825877
>>14824690
Guess that's another reason why videogames don't have "secrets" or "cool stuff to figure out" anymore. Funnily if the enemies were also the hostile brutes they mistaked them for, they would also be bitching about how it's "xenophobic" or some shit.
e91833 No.14825912
>>14820947
Game night isn't supposed to be competitive, it was more about socializing and hanging out. Otherwise, anons won't even join game nights and just play with other people.
CS game night was pretty good.
1b6a85 No.14825967
3422b2 No.14826055
>>14820913
I have to admit I sometimes have this problem because rhythm games are my bread and butter. I have always been fond of reaction time based games than a game where I need to put serious thought behind what I'm doing. I guess shmups sometimes subvert that if I need to think of a way to clear a pattern.
1b6a85 No.14826065
>>14822030
>Surpression is a thing especially in realistic shooters with 1-2 hit kills.
This is what noobs think. Stay far away from such retards. They draw attention and death. Use them as bait.
0f6270 No.14826075
>>14825912
>aren't supposed to be competitive
>otherwise anons won't join
You know that you just proved the point in that post right?
1b6a85 No.14826105
>>14822407
>BF2142 and BF2 were lightning in a goddamn bottle, and we'll not see their like again.
Dunno about BF2 but BF2142 had shitload of issues that would warrant /v/ cries and whines but BF2141 get a pass because of nostalgia glasses.
>terrible map design. Most maps had terrible checkpoints of death. Half of the time match was like this. Attackers dying in that single chokepoint not able to pass it whole match. The end.
>broken titan mode at start. Retards put impassable chokepoint in the Titan, can't assault it, half of the Titan content is gone
>server owning mods who kicked good opposing players and inflated their stats that way
>op Assault/medic class (best assault class gun + resurrect kit? IMBA here were go) there was no reason for team to not have 80% of medics on infantry map with couple supports to drop ammo
>Russians are op, because Krylov Assault rifle is too good. Not counter-play from teh opposing side.
70e48f No.14826151
>>14821558
> The kid who spent his years playing Doom will be able to quickly adapt to any other game that utilizes those mechanics. Conversely, the kid who spent his time playing Tetris will better adapt to games that require real time spatial assessment, things like rhythm games. The kid who got gud at one fighting game will be able to quickly learn how to become at least above average in another fighting game.
So that's why I suck at RTS and other strategy games (except civ V and Mountain Blade)
1b6a85 No.14826333
>>14826151
RTS are action games not strategy. Strategy word got their by mistake.
f445f8 No.14826521
>>14826105
And you haven´t even mentionted the fact that BF2142 was basically a full price mod for BF2.
c96fcf No.14826523
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Casuals have been there since like the PS1 era, the difference is that even just 10 years ago the casual shit made back then still had more care put into it. Like, I massively complained about Far Cry 2 a decade ago for not being up to my standards but I could still admire shit like the fire spread system, now lo and behold there are no more standards nowadays.
The average /v/ user is only marginally less retarded than the casual anyway, and that was true a decade ago too.
37940f No.14826839
>>14824823
Wasn't there a Tropico "review" where a game journo complained that he "had" to run the island as totalitarian hellhole? People in comments even explained how you can easily make it into tropical paradise.
5fcc6d No.14827010
The people of today are the reason why shooters have an auto reload option.
If there wasn't, they would wonder what happened to the bang bang noise.
In my country a local soda company wrote "it's normal to burp after drinking soda" because hospitals complained people were drinking 2 liter soda bottles in one go and then going to the hospital with "uncontrollable burping", they got mocked so much on VK they removed the warning and I guess the hospitals just have to deal with it now.
8ef916 No.14827555
I'll take this opportunity to encourage /v/ to pursue hobbyist game development. There's an abundance of tools available. What it requires, is, for you to delve into it and begin experimenting.
We have to take initiative and face the reality that professional game development will continue to steer further and further away from problem-solving gameplay concepts. /agdg/ could also benefit from more volunteers and developers.
>>14824342
>Now there's lots of talk about developers abandoning single-player entirely. The rise of Twitch and e-celebs/cam-whores has given massive exposure to the shittiets, most entry level, lowest common denominator games possible, as those are the game most accessible by the types of attention whores to plaster themselves all over Twitch. And because of games like that and people like them, the younger generation's conception of gaming is one of memes and meme culture, of reaction videos, of endlessly mindless and ever mediocre multiplayer streamer-bait filled with lootboxes and microtransactions. So much so to the point that single-player video games themselves are being abandoned by AAA devs left and right.
I get the impression that the reasoning for this is that the source of talent in the AAA industry is waning. Not only that, but the industry is also quite set on suppressing any notion of the negativity surrounding its work conditions. Some veterans and creators have already left the industry and taken their technical insight and experience with them.
Publishers seem to choose to think that single-player games are becoming an inviable venture rather than consider the possibility that their output might not be very good, or too streamlined/over-processed. Which is why I can imagine people are steadily losing interest. They're stripping away almost every unique aspect in their games.
If business management continues to dominate the creative decision making, innovation will eventually stagnate and trend-chasing will become status quo…if that isn't the happening, already.
0d919b No.14827751
>vidya when I was young
>arcades and super shit home copies
>if you wanted to play the best version, you had to pay-per-play
>to avoid shelling out your allowance on level 1, you had to get good and not fucking die
>it was either this or you didn't play video games
<games nowadays
<they play for you
<no fail state
<a movie with a "press x to advance to the next cutscene"
<when faced with anything akin to a challenge, there is no drive to try and overcome it, just wanting it to be given to them
0d919b No.14827791
>brother is 3 years younger than I
>keep getting casual games for him while I play hardcore games
>he wants to play with me on a lot of it
>fightan games are no fun as I mop him
>co-op games are tolerable since when my brother died, he would remain dead and I'm still playing
>Gunstar Heroes is the number 1 game to play for us
>for him to stay in the game longer, he had to not die and learn the tricks of the game
>he strives to git-good so that older bro isn't playing by himself all the time
>fast forward
>mon hun is coming to the wii
>we've never played it but we show interest in it
>get demo
>brother is playing it first
>gets mopped by great jaggi as he learns about the controls
>keeps getting mopped but is learning and getting better
>eventually beats it but he feels he still didn't do it right
>gets the game
>he loves how it introduces the mechanics
>mops the monsters no problem
>suddenly Barroth (Vanilla Barroth)
>he gets fucking mopped every time
>never calls the game cheep
>never calls the monster cheep
>sat and thought as he was preparing for the fight: "What am I doing wrong? What is the game looking for me to do?"
>learns the hunter creed: Don't get hit, hit it until it dies
>faces Barroth
>takes his time to not get smeared
>times his hits
>conquers Barroth
>has forever since said "When I play a game and I lose, I first expect that I'm doing something the game doesn't want me to do and am playing a game wrong. I don't feel a game should be made easier for me. If I can't play a game, that's my fault, not the game."
He's made me pretty proud.
1b6a85 No.14827825
>>14827010
Yet the /v/ loses games to such players. Sad.
c698f8 No.14827996
>>14821028
>I think it's more like he's the desired end result of a lengthy conditioning process to create a culture of dependence. People who are weak and stupid and helpless are easily controlled by authority figures.
I wonder who could be behind it all…
01983c No.14828033
>>14821024
I-I'll be your friend anon…..
f4a4c2 No.14828091
>>14822614
Yeah it's just indie shit but Ittle Dew and Ittle Dew 2 had very crafty puzzles with no handholding and solving them was immensely satisfying
Whoever makes 2D Zeldas at Nintendo needs to hire the puzzle designers from Ittle Dew
bdfefd No.14828993
>>14825310
Yeah, I just don't want the cookie cutter trash though.
I want something a bit like you just said, instead of being bored with a generic empty sandbox Ubisoft world.
>It was nice to play an open world game where everything you did actually mattered, even if most of the content was puzzles. I still really liked it.
As much as I'm not a fan of Breath of the Wild, knowing that my choices and actions affect a game gives me a huge boner. Even if I'll bitch and complain about it like I did with Mankind Divided. It doesn't mean I hate it or want a fail state not to occur. I want a feeling of failure at fucking up and being able to choose whether to retry or accept my losses.
And yeah, I know Mankind Divided is kind of casualized. But I've played the first game and love the series dearly.
>>14827791
I would be proud too. It's good to hear more stories about people getting better at video games through learning how to git gud.
7f86af No.14829053
b0e87f No.14829084
>>14824979
>>14825008
I thought it was pretty alright. There's lots of neat interactions in the world, like for example there is this one fruit I would always pass by and figured it was inedible, but it's actually encased in a hard shell that opens up under the right conditions. Actually come to think of it, there's two plants like that, but a hologram sometimes tries to explain one of them for you using symbols. You need food to hibernate, so by figuring this out, it opens up the places you can go and makes exploration easier. That's really where the game shines- it's full of neat little secrets like that, from the plants, to the enemies, and even a few useful abilities of your own the game doesn't mention. The opening area only mentions the bare basics for survival.
Combat can be pretty simplistic though:
>Stick spear in something
>Run up and retrieve spear from their wriggling body
>Throw it again
Although the enemies are pretty varied, and there are a few cool tricks you can do.
There's also some kind of plot, which may be a little pretentious, but there's not really any cutscenes or anything.
Also, I highly recommend playing with digital input (d-pad or arrow keys), as the game is really unsuitable for the analog stick.
5cd97c No.14830286
>>14824690
I'm reminded of the first time I had an encounter with those glowing Fireflea creatures in Super Metroid
>Enter new room
>See flying creature and just shot them on sight.
>Continued to progress and shoot more of them and slowly notice that the room has gotten quite dark
>Shoot final Fireflea and the room goes pitch black with only the hazard spikes on the ground being slightly visible
>Realize they were lighting up the room and that they made no attempt attack
>Carefully and shamefully retreat back to room entrance in dark
>Exit/enter room to allow them to respawn and can now progress through because I didn't harm them and can see the way with their light
e19e3b No.14830355
Gaming is ruined for one reason and one reason alone. (((Western))) take over of the industry.
f74cac No.14830574
>>14829084
>Also, I highly recommend playing with digital input (d-pad or arrow keys), as the game is really unsuitable for the analog stick.
git good
I played with dualshock 4, the d pad was extremely unomfortable to use,, and at times it seem even more impseise than the analog stick.
Using the stick feels normal after you get used to it, and it seems easier to input the advanced moves with the stick as opposed to the d pad.
cd4797 No.14830762
>>14826523
I FUCKING LOVE CROWBCAT
e94363 No.14830779
>>14824342
In general anon, I'm afraid you're wrong.
>games are being built to subvert masculinity / remove men's hobbies
No. What's happening is twofold: Games cost more to develop than ever before, which means they have to be sold to more people, which means they need to be bland enough to appeal to everyone. And two: you have a caste of millennial shitbags and SJWs entering the workforce and forcing their politics on people. Companies are more apt to agree to a point than risk being called raycis, but only so long as profits aren't harmed. But the overton window is shifting, and this will be a nightmare the industry will wake from in a few years.
>I want to be a gamedev
Don't bother. Or if you do, be an indie dev with a small group of people ideally anons who share a similar vision. Gaming has been a shit industry since the late 2000s when it became popular among normalfags. It's been downhill since then.
t. gamedevanon who's about six months out from leaving the industry entirely
1224f1 No.14830816
>>14830568
if you buy 16 of these you can build a real king tiger?
63d540 No.14830841
>>14830816
Why would you want to do that when you could have sixteen tiny King Tigers?
6cd93f No.14830941
>>14824127
>drown in 2 feet of water
They're letting infants playtest.
136f5e No.14831392
>>14827791
Most people don't have that mentality on their lives, it's not even about games. Never let your brother forget that
1426b0 No.14831503
>>14827791
>If I can't play a game, that's my fault, not the game.
The scariest thing is how few people in life have this mentality, not just for videogames but in general. It's never your own fault or problem, it¨s always someone else's: it's not you sucking at something, it's the game that sucks. It's everybody else who sucks and you're just perfect. You should treasure your brother is what I'm trying to say, he's a smart guy. Who the hell has problems with beating Great Jaggi though?
1b6a85 No.14831508
>>14831503
>/v/
>i can't play this game: noobs, lag, RNG, noskill, online
Notice anything?
d65099 No.14831514
>>14820913
not casual: Dev who want to apeal to everyone. they want to make FPS that also apeal to thoses who want movie-like game were it is easy to aim and verry scripted.
they want MMO that also apeal to thoses who just want a solo-RPG.
RTS were strategy is not so much requiere thanks to OP unit that can reverse the tide of battle (controling one unit is easier than an army) etc…
Daily reminder that WoW vanilla was a casual game . It was just a MMOrpg. retail wow is no more casual in fact some say the boss are more complex aside from the fact that they removed the MMO aspect of it. anything that you will mention as "hardcore" in vanilla is just a feature proper to any MMo that respect itself. (something that is lost in 99% of current mmo)
tl;dr
it is not about casual/hardcore, it is about trying to make game for everyone including thoses who do not like or play that genre.
1426b0 No.14831544
>>14831508
/v/ is mostly made out of people, and what I mentioned is a problem with people. It crops up on /v/ too, and people arguing that they're not shit, it's just the game that's shit isn't exclusive to /v/ either. It's not a matter of normalfags and non-normalfags, it's all of us.
e1e372 No.14831547
>>14821039
<hurr nu-uuh ur just stupid, here, look at my company-approved shitgraph that logically proves how stupid your peasant arguments are :^)
>being this narcissistic
fuck off goon
89ef55 No.14831571
>>14821962
WoW was never good. When it was first released it was known to all MMO players as the most casual, empty nonsense there was. However for a lot of people it was their first MMO so they have nostalgia over it, regardless of its poort quality especially when compared to it's contemporaries such as: Lineage 2, Ragnarok Online, Dark Age of Camelot, Shadowbane and even predecessors like Ultima Online.
5d90cc No.14831634
>>14831584
what do you play?
cfe4b4 No.14831662
>>14821028
why the Gramsci pic? he had ok ideas but probably the worst Spaghetti Socialist that existed.
0d919b No.14831850
>>14828993
He's had this "never say die" attitude about a lot in life (which is why he kept playing me in fighting games, even if he got mopped, all for that glimmer of a chance of being the winner, which he did get a few times when I wasn't sandbagging).
>>14831392
I don't. He knows and is one of the few redpilled-about-vidya people who can plainly see how shit is just spiraling out of control.
>>14831503
No I get you, there is this whole generation being born and bred to never take responsibility for their actions.
he only had trouble with Great Jaggi because he'd never played a mon hun before and didn't yet know how the series went That said, once he learned what monster hunter was all about, he became a powerful advocate as to why you're a faggot if you claim MHW is a good monster hunter game.
0d919b No.14831856
>>14829084
sometimes seeing a chain of death is enjoyable.
89ef55 No.14831991
>>14822261
>Early MMO devs realised mistake because it interfered with quests
>quests
OLDER MMOS DID NOT HAVE QUESTS
002b30 No.14832032
>>14831991
How "old" are we talking about? Ragnarok Online (2002) had some quests (class change quests, ability unlocking quests, map access quests).
255df1 No.14832128
>>14832032
As did RuneScape, which was probably its only beneficial aspect (aside from its music) before fagex fucked up everything
3815dd No.14832266
>>14829084
I'd also add that it's one of the only "true" survival games ever made.
In most of them, you eventually get some tricks that let you cure world hunger and genocide the local mob populations, but in Rain World, you're scavenging for food and fending off beasts all the way through.
cfd710 No.14834140
>>14821786
He might as well have said "pander to this country full of retards"
cfd710 No.14834154
>>14831544
>that gif
stobdis
f77111 No.14834208
Did anybody play Tomb Raider 2 without a walkthrough? Only recently, after playing Minecraft back in 2011 and finding out about "water elevators", did I, returning to TR2 after all these years, finally understand what to do in Venice.
When looking at things like the water elevator in TR2, do you perhaps feel that bad game design also ruined games in that it served as justification for the casualisation?
2192e2 No.14834227
>>14826839
I tried playing Tropic 5 a couple of years ago and one of my advisers kept shilling Marxism and I didn't want to continue. Is there a way to run your country without turning to Marxism?
e78805 No.14834334
I've been dealing with this shit from a nephew. He's only like 8, but most his life he's been playing phone games. A while ago due to some shenanigans he's having to live with us now and I've been trying to introduce him to good games.
First I tried everything I could think of, since aside from phones he only really played minecraft on xbox. Quickly learned he hates losing and ragequit the instant he died or got stumped in any game with nearly no puzzle solving capacity. Also that he thinks every FPS is a rip off of minecraft, especially Doom.
Then I learned he hates basically all things nintendo. At first it was pokemon that he hated, assaulting some merchandise he was shown as a first action. But then it turns out he hates Mario (Doesn't want to play a 'fat old man'), kirby (Baby game), and Metroid he just doesn't even understand.
I took some other anon's advice before to get him to play Minecraft like games. Mainly Terraria and Stardew Valley.
Terraria he grumbled about not being able to just punch trees, and tolerated up until he died in a cave to a worm. At which point he screeched loud enough for the neighbors to hear.
Stardew Valley he was concerned about it too being a baby game because you can't really lose. But he played about 5 days I think until I showed him you can talk to NPCs and then literally spit on my screen when talking to Shane. Yes he got what was probably the first fatherly slap he'd ever had at this.
RTS games he's just too dumb for, I tried fucking pikmin and he spent about 8 minutes trying to kill a bulborb using a single pikmin since he let them all die. Granted this was the longest time he's been able to tolerate losing but the thought of getting more pikmin that weren't from that particular bulborb never crossed his mind apparently.
Horror games I've just given up on, he said he liked Fnaf but then I showed him Resident evil and he actually fucking pissed himself.
I don't even know if this one can be saved.
ba06a4 No.14834384
>>14834334
You have to consider he might just be a low IQ or emotions>logic kid, and thus unsalvageable to begin with. That, or he's just fucking 8 jesus christ why would you show him Resident Evil? It's not cutesy scary like FNaF.
e78805 No.14834402
>>14834384
I played plenty of horror games as a kid and I handled them fine.
87a530 No.14834416
>>14834384
Because everyone played RE4 as a kid?
236b27 No.14834608
>>14834334
So let me guess, the little shit's parents gave him no discipline and let mobile devices play babysitter, he constantly got away with breaking shit and they payed no mind as long as they got to fulfill their own desires. Then he fell into your hands because they got busted for something?
7fe571 No.14834631
This isn't a problem with casuals as it is with modern culture. We have the millennial generation that grew up sucking internet cock their entire lives, "smart" phone in hand and overused 'ironic' meme comebacks in the queue, and these people lack very basic skills that humans before their generation and many coming AFTER them possess.
Unfortunately, a lot of these cucks are now getting jobs within these companies, and they're targeting media (including games) to morons…perhaps unintentionally. Did you ever stop to think that maybe these people really can't produce anything better? I mean you have to be fairly intelligent to produce a game that is challenging, but not stupidly frustrating.
Look at music, for example…in just about any genre you will be inundated with utter garbage that is some combination of the same 3-4 notes over and over again. Is it because people like dumb music, or are morons the biggest producers of music?
Oh, if you want to be edgy, you'll play the same 3 notes but over 2-3 octaves. Then you're elevated to 'musical genius' in the eyes of mouth breathers. Ever listen to trap? Remember dubstep? Yeah, that was so cool. Music has literally gone full retard.
Don't expect to find anything of 80s-90s, even early 2000s caliber gameplay from any major publisher. These days only indies are putting out stuff like that and they're stuck on relative shoestring budgets and a very limited supply of true talent.
629f2e No.14834641
>>14831503
Reminds me of when my grandfather once wrecked his car because "the road turned where it wasn't supposed to."
5cd97c No.14834685
>>14834208
>do you perhaps feel that bad game design also ruined games in that it served as justification for the casualisation?
It's a good question, sometimes game design elements will be obvious to some but not to others, it like how Kotaku's Totilo gave DK: Tropical Freeze (Wii U version) low marks for "bad level" design because in one level he couldn't get the jump timing of a temporary platform right while gameplay footage of him playing clearly showed that he did not understand the visual alert before the temporary platform appeared.
Some people are going to more patient and pay attention while others won't or sometimes need everything explained to them.
On the topic of that water elevator, it sounds similar to that Sonic 3's "The Barrel of Doom" that frustrated many players (unless you skipped it as Knuckles) where the control to operate the barrel wasn't taught to the player. Do in game mechanics/objects that are familiar to us in real life need less teaching than game mechanics/objects that are completely alien to most people?
>>14834334
>Minecraft and FNAF
What is it about those two games that young kids find so appealing?
de7710 No.14834688
>>14834334
>>14834608
describes one of my nephews perfectly. his parents give him old tablets and phones though, so when he breaks them its not that bad. last year he was running around with a broken nintendo ds like he was hot shit. i think he has developmental issues.
890456 No.14834696
>>14834334
>hates all things Nintendo
Well at least he's not completely lost.
236b27 No.14834781
>>14834334
>>14834688
Sounds like a lack of consistent discipline to me. I knew a kid that was the same way, he was my friend's little cousin and they both lived with their grandparents. The little troglodyte was so bad I avoided going over to that friend's house because I wanted to avoid injury by him. A while back he got adopted by some friends of his grandparents and the kid started receiving consistent discipline, as well as proper attention, care, and affection. The kid's pretty well behaved these days because of that. Of course that can't fix shit taste, but he might be more patient and willing to try. You could also try multiplayer games where you can sort of hold his hand while still making him feel useful.
Multiplayer games are great for that, when I was a kid I used to play Rainbow Six and Ghost Recon with my dad. He would handle clearing most of the level while I followed, eventually I got confident enough (and older) to engage enemies on my own and we'd split up some. Good times.
d85662 No.14834802
>>14829084
>>14832266
That sounds cool as hell. And the publisher is Adult Swim? Shit. When I get some time I'll have to check this out
4c2b70 No.14834837
>>14834685
>What is it about those two games that young kids find so appealing?
You're just asking for the lego debate all over again, FNAF isn't popular because of that though it's because kids want to watch their favorite youtube ecelebs being scared out of their wits.
7274ca No.14834863
>>14834696
Shut the fuck up sonygger and get back to your soy-infused walking sims.
7d6470 No.14834897
What's with the /v/ is shit memes from cuckchan lately?
138b76 No.14834902
>>14820913
Normalfags alone didn't kill videogames, they condensed on on plebbit first then they got the inertia to kill videogames. Reddit and social medias are the source of every problem we have since 2007.
d1fb69 No.14834975
>>14834334
I'm sorry anon. Your nephew has autistic fibrosis. There's nothing you can do.
b0e87f No.14835061
>>14834334
>At which point he screeched loud enough for the neighbors to hear.
Okay yeah, he's beyond saving. Why would a kid do this? Why would any kid do this? Why?
>>14834384
I remember Black Cauldron giving me nightmares as a kid, but I never fucking pissed everywhere, what the hell good would that do me?
9b1d23 No.14835072
>>14834902
>Reddit and social medias are the source of every problem we have since 2007.
I'd say a more general "making the internet accessible to normalfags/idiots."
>iphone
>literally every social media platform that's still relevant today
>all launching at the same time
40fb44 No.14835107
>>14821424
Paratroopers about to remove quiche
What do fags eat? They can't subsist entirely on semen and crystal meth can they?
9976b9 No.14835153
>>14825149
>eventually understanding why a lot of /pol/acks are kind of irritable a lot of the time
wew, you have no idea how much rage can get built up over seeing how bad everything really is and everyone else is blissfully unaware and/or calls you a tinfoiler at best (knowing full well they were programmed to think and say those exact words to boot).
e78805 No.14835171
>>14834608
I think, kid's mom was god awful and he didn't have a stable dad. Think he was from her second boyfriend, so he's had like 4 dads, one actually married her until it turns out mommy in law wasn't gonna give her money and they both got kicked out of the home she was paying for. She literally dropped the kids at her mother's house and never came back.
This one ended up with us temporarily because he's the worst behaved until we track her down.
>>14834781
It completely is, see above no father figure and a mother whose more than happy to pretend she never had kids. God know why she didn't just use a fucking condom.
But the upside is I have a low bullshit tolerance for this kid now. Sat him down (Something nobody's ever done, he tried to leave constantly) and gave him the last warning for disrupting the neighbors or disrespecting my things. To make the point clear I broke an old phone we had that looked like his, kid nearly shit himself throwing a tantrum over it but after he calmed down I haven't seen him trying to break anything. Going to try to get him to try out some GBA games tomorrow.
Feels fucking weird being a father figure, I hate kids.
>>14835061
I figure its because he had gone a while and had stuff on him, and thought it was all going to drop. Plus autistic child.
7b36ac No.14835178
>>14835171
>Plus autistic child.
So like most of /v/ then.
b0e87f No.14835184
>>14835178
>So like most of /v/ then.
I would hope most of /v/ doesn't screech so loud the neighbors hear when they die in a videogame, but then again I've never asked /v/ if they do. Do you screech when you die?
3d47b6 No.14835193
>>14822584
There's nothing inherently wrong with that. Some people enjoy puzzles and quests, some don't. They aren't really interesting gameplaywise and if you're not interested in story then the game is just plain boring garbage.
6109f2 No.14835204
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>>14821157
I miss video games that were all about K/D ratio. Now we have all of these faggot objective-based team-based games where its just designed so that you can lose without blaming yourself for your own failures. In deathmatch only one person is a winner and everyone else is a loser. Now thanks to matchmaking and team games it's designed so that you win and lose 50% of the time. And your deaths and kills don't even matter because its all about the (((objective))) so that nobody has to look at their performance as an individual if they don't want too.
>>14821939
I'll play some CPMA with you anon, I don't mind having 100 ping as long as I have someone to play with, message ika_ on quakenet
7b36ac No.14835209
>>14835184
> Do you screech when you die?
The language of my people has long since been lost to me, but i'm sure many on /v/ has.
eae59f No.14835218
63d540 No.14835222
>>14835153
I can guess. Funny that this sort of thing can be so much more easily digested by tech-fluent people than the smallest detail about a Jew. I guess this sort of thing is still fresh and new, whereas most people have heard just about enough about the Holocaust and related things to last a lifetime.
Maybe pointing out how people have actually been getting fucked over serve as a better redpill than pointing out who's doing the fucking.
3a84ea No.14835235
>>14834334
>>14835171
I'm afraid, Anon, that you're dealing with a figurative nigger.
3d47b6 No.14835236
>>14835204
>I miss video games that were all about K/D ratio. Now we have all of these faggot objective-based team-based games where its just designed so that you can lose without blaming yourself for your own failures.
I know the feel. RTS is dying because of that, too.
236b27 No.14835264
>>14835171
Good luck Anon. You just need to be consistent with punishments and balance them out with some care and whatnot. Don't be too harsh of course, but also remember that fear of physical punishments can do a lot to deter that behavior. Of course all this is assuming you're comfortable with it or in a position to be able to deal physical punishments. If not I guess try to get someone who is to do it.
>>14835184
>he doesn't reeeee at the top of his lungs constantly over video games
Next I'll bet you say you have fun too. :^)
>>14835204
K/D ratio is cancer now too. It attracts the cancerous "competitive community" and then they bitch and moan about shit that ruins "muh K/D"
6109f2 No.14835320
>>14835264
That's not a fault of K/D in and of itself, but how the game is designed around kills and deaths and then causalized. In COD deathmatch, which works the same way as quake deathmatch in regards of the kills and deaths mechanic, there is really no way for better players to properly outperform worse players, instead you see a difference of say 10 points where in Quake you would see a difference of 40 points. So this creates a situation where the only way to prove that you are a good player is to play lots of games where you do slightly better than everyone else, because the game doesn't allow natural variances in skill to show themselves distinctly in one game, but only by averaging out your performance over, say, 100 games. In Quake nobody bothers to think about their K/D between two different games because in Quake skill differences can actually be examined in one single game. So nobody is ever interested in your K/D because having a 40-0 K/D against some noob means literally nothing. K/D is only an issue in casual games like COD.
35a9f9 No.14835766
>>14832116
good taste in games
>tfw still suck at MoW after 100 hours
b12506 No.14836229
>complaints about casuals
>on dedicated nintendo board
1b6a85 No.14836249
>>14835320
>In COD deathmatch, which works the same way as quake deathmatch in regards of the kills and deaths mechanic, there is really no way for better players to properly outperform worse players,
Ahahah ahahaha haha oh wow
This is noobs and scrubs really believe
ahahahaha
And BTW in TDM win is decided by spread not K/D but what do scrubs know?
0d919b No.14836562
>have 3dp not even once
>she says she likes vidya
>make it a point from day one that I like vidya and you best not get in my way about vidya
>she agrees
>play Left 4 Dead with my brother and cousin
>simple enough and with enough support we can let her join
>she's good enough that she doesn't need to be saved every 5 minutes
<but she's impulsive
>not a week later, she ran out to get a system just to play the game
>but she only wants to play it co op
>bitch, you got a tight budget, just play it when you're at my place
>can't play more advanced games and platformers
>blew a gasket at Limbo unable to get past a few of the early puzzles
>brother and I are trading off on Animal Crossing wild world
>convince her to get a copy since it has no loss state and is comfy
>she blows a gasket because of tom nook giving her errands and a "loan"
>didn't understand that it was a tutorial on how the basic functions of how the town works
>didn't understand that the loan was more of a joke and was the money gap to upgrade your home
>got progressively more pissy about things out of her control
>whatever, bitch, I'mma play vidya
>broke it off when she got upset at me playing vidya instead of spending time with her
>bitch, you don't do anything fun and when I try to invite you into my hobbies and shit, you get pissy because it doesn't roll over and fall into your control
>I thrive on shit not being in my control and then bending it to my will
3dp, never ever
8cdcf5 No.14836601
>little sister gets interested in video games
>mainly Zelda because chicks dig Zelda
>always asks me for help
>tell her to figure it out herself
>if I do help, I make damn well sure she's paying attention because fuck if I'm gonna play the whole game for
>goes to college
>goes full normalfag as expected, much to the delight of my parents this isn't sarcasm btw and I'm realizing now that they expected me to party, meet girls, and have lots of sex. But this post isn't about me or my neurosis
>talking to her one day
>"all the boys at (school) suck at video games. We were hanging out in (orbiter)'s dorm room and started playing Fortnite online. I've never even played it and was better than them."
>have no way to call her out, but anyone who owns an XBone to play Fortnite must logically be shit
>feel a tinge of pride
>realize in horror that whatever chad she bangs can't even beat Fire Leo
b12506 No.14836618
>>14836601
It's your fault for not taking your sister's virginity.
You pathetic creature.
8cdcf5 No.14836755
>>14836618
I know. I blew it.
6109f2 No.14837336
>>14836249
Sorry, I haven't played COD in a long time. My point is that, the game is casual and designed to lower the differences between good players and bad players within one match. That way bad players don't have to feel so bad, because the margin isn't that high. That way people try and look at their statistics for all the games they played, to prove that they are good at the game.
9a62ef No.14837355
1b6a85 No.14840933
>>14837336
>My point is that, the game is casual and designed to lower the differences between good players and bad players within one match.
Its just illusion for bad players. It has very heavy and easy achievable DPS, makes kills easy so bad players can actually score some kills against each other and occasionally against good players but they never can win a single match against good player. Because easy DPS is two sided coin, and good players can exploit it to greater extent (like any other mechanic). Where bad player scores 5 kills good scores 50 and it becomes complete match stomp.
What makes feeling "new games designed to lower the differences between good players and bad players" is mandatory winrate based MATCHMAKING, which pushes for 50% winrate. Feeling that all players perform the same is true all players are placed in that match because they actually have same skill. First modern CODs didn't have such and it was noobs raping festivals when any good player entered the match.
3a51cc No.14841050
>>14836601
>much to the delight of my parents
Disgusting, no offense anon, but your parents get the rope
1426b0 No.14841103
>>14834641
Makes me remember watching my 70+-year old grandfather try to play Wave Racer Blue Storm. He actually tried to learn how to play the game and it was obvious he was fascinated by it. I miss him sometimes.
918403 No.14841236
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>>14820913
sums up my thoughts on the subject