/v/ - Video Games

>>14782998

The only innovation today is in indies. Do you really prefer Far Cry 7, AssCreed 9 & SW Battlefront 5?

>I'm an homosexual

We know OP

>>14783033

No, I don't.

I prefer Gravity Rush 2, Nioh, Prey, Monster Hunter World etc. Not liking indies doesn't equate to liking garbage. Far Cry 5 is shit, Asscreed Oranges is shit. But there's still plenty of good games coming out every year that means I don't have to look to indies for "innovation" aka gimmicks. Name me one indie game that actually innovated, as in it changed the games industry and not just other indies.

>>14783033

I think the "indie" label has been besmirched by all the walking simulators and leftist masturbatory garbage that the market has been flooded with. As you say, there's a lot of innovation in indie games, likely because the smaller budgets allow them to experiment. No big publisher would have ever bothered to make something like Kerbal or Mount and Blade for example.

Then again, I would disagree that there is no innovation among AAA titles, rare as it might be.

>>14783046

>a homosexual

Get it right you cisgendered misgendering anti-trannykin hating mansplainer

>>14783051

>Gravity Rush 2, Nioh, Prey, Monster Hunter World

Such garbage nu/v/ tier taste

>>14783071

kek, why are you so ass devastated?

What's your top 10 from the past 3 years?

>>14783051

>as in it changed the games industry and not just other indies.

Minecraft

>>14783080

Sure I can see that, but I still don't see indie's having a bigger stake on innovation than regular games. There's Minecraft and what else?

>>14783090

Anything by Zachtroniics. Factorio. Kerbal Space Program.

>>14783097

Again, I'm talking about innovation that influenced the games industry not just other indies.

>>14783117

DayZ

>>14783099

>REEE IF YOU DON'T LIKE INDIES YOU MUST LIKE UBISOFT AND EA GAMES

>No I like: List of recent games

>REEE SHIT TASTE /v/EDDITOR GTFO

>Well what do you like

>REEE I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU YOU'LL JUST SHIT ON MY TASTE

Do you realise now what a hypocritical twat you're being?

>>14783122

Ehhhh, ok I'll give you DayZ and by extension battle royale games.

So that's 2 so far, hardly a hugely unbalanced count in favour of indies.

>>14783135

Considering the top played games right now are just basicly clones of DayZ the quantity doesnt really matter.

Also why do you have empty line after greentext?

>>14783150

Because he doesn't actually belong here

>>14783135

Anon you are a fool. How about YOU give us a list of AAA innovations?

>>14783178

You've given me two indies so far so I'll give you two AAA games.

The Dark Souls/Bloodborne series has had an actual influential effect on the AAA industry.

Overwatch came along and showed everyone "hey look the team, class based FPS genre isn't a creative dead end"

I think it's because you have a very basic knowledge of indie games and haven't tried a good amount of them is the reason why none interest you. Something like Dwarf Fortress or Rimworld has no AAA counterpart and are good indies to try out. Tales of May'eyal, elona, and Catasylsm dark days ahead are good roguelikes that does very different things from one another but are very solid and again doesn't have an AAA counterpart. Yume Nikki, Lisa, To the Moon has narratives that I find much more interesting and engaging than AAA titles. If you can't find something out there that doesn't interest you then I don't know what to say.

>>14783211

I don't enjoy roguelikes so I can't comment on the quality of indie roguelikes. As for the narrative heavy games you listed they can all go suck a fat dick, I'm sick to fucking death of hipsters failing the fuck out of university then trying to piggyback on games to shill their shitty "art" games for "mature gamers" such as themselves. It's pathetic and a stain one of the worst things about indie games, it's almost always some self important liberal sycophant behind the curtain.

>>14783228

Not liking a game doesn't magically undo its significance. Use your brain before you post.

>>14783179

>>14783179

>easier to read at the time

Either you're a redditor or a phoneposting retard, either way you should propably leave.

>Hardly a dominating force

>Top played game with over twice the players of the previous FREE game is hardly dominating

Master of understatement right here. Its still a shit game tho.

>>14783184

wew lad, called it

>>14783224

But the ones I listed aren't pretentious? Again I think you have a pretty limited grasp of Indies in general if you're comparing any of those three games to garbage like Firewatch or gone home or whatever pretentious walking simulator there is. Theyre very straightforward except for Yume Nikki but that's intentional since it's suppose to be dreamlike. If these games don't sastify you then check out Age of decadence, underrail, divinity original sin, eye cybermancy, grim dawn, legend of grimrock, neo scavenger and avernum series. If these still don't interest you then you should get a check up on your terminal shit taste.

I have still yet to hear an actual defence of indie games.

Not one person has spoken about why they think a specific game can stand shoulder to shoulder with your Metal Gear Solids and Resident Evils.

I certainly stay away from anything even remotely related to Edmund McMillan's clique.

>>14782998

It used to be that indie games were garage devs that dared trying new things that AAA shied away from. The age of Aquaria and Braid.

Nowadays, the indie scene is just another kind of AAA. San Francisco marxists killed indie and turned them into political games.

I understand what you mean by indie games not feeling too "proper". It's like they get half of it right and then the other half wrong so you end up with some decent ideas and execution but not enough skill to push it to it's fullest or budget to have enough content. I don't necessairly agree that indie games will always be forgettable time wasters but I agree that they will probably never reach the same level of quality as PS2 games, not because of a lack of budget but a lack of skill and drive to actually improve(because it seems to me anything indie remotely decent is praised to high heaven and back by media outlets).

>>14782998

I like doujin games more than western indies. I don't want to offend the new ones here, but I like the fact that doujin games are completed with a complete focus on gameplay.

I remember playing a lot of Melty Blood Actress Again and Crucis Fatal Fake repeatedly. The latter was a mix of Tekken Tag Tournament and Soul Calibur, it was the innovation I wanted in fighting games.

>>14782998

i get there's a lot of shit in the market but the pic ou chose has some actual good games, god enough for me to deduce that if you can't stand any of these you either did not grow up with 8/16bit consoles or only played them very early in life before mooving to 32bit

most of old school games were casual as fuck, even more than indies

>>14782998

Hotline was 10/10, what are you talking about?

I have no interest in modern games at all tbh

>>14783247

>a specific game can stand shoulder to shoulder with your Metal Gear Solids and Resident Evils

MGS and RE cannot stand shoulder to shoulder with eachother, they can't even do so with their own sequels, other games are either inferior or superior wether is AAA or Indi is of no consequence

Ori and The Blind Forest crushes everything else in the market now a days thoug i don't know if it counts, it was made by a smal studio but bankrolled by M$, but then you have things like Divinity Original Sin 2 wich are deep games with complex mechanincs good writting and financially succesfull with a loyal fanbase to

>>14783033

Not really, its mostly coming from Japanese AA studios not AAA

>>14783051

>claims they don't like garbage

>plays Monster Hunter World

go and stay gone faggot

>>14783051

>monster hunter world

Plebs, all

>>14783324

I know that you think that it's a shilling thread, but it's just people dissing indies including me. There's no way you can purchase those recommended games in the west.

>>14783340

You post a shitty street fighter clone as example of your superior tastes while saying western indies are bad. You're clueless, friend.

>>14782998

>People like this haven't been bullied enough to leave yet

>>14783351

>thinking that it's a street fighter clone

You're right, I should enjoy derivative flashy left-wing platformers and VNs instead. Fuck gameplay, visuals are all that matter.

>>14783184

>>14783205

Like pottery.

>>14783090

>>14783135

Amnesia

I don't see why every game has to "change the industry". Not many modern games do that.

>Especially paying money for them

Found out your problem.

>>14783408

When the hell is it coming out? I can't play Descent anymore because of those fucking Vulcans.

>>14783408

Quit changing ips m8, your flashy quake/walking-sim/vn/platformer developed by a left-wing activist will be forgotten after one playthrough because it's shallow style over substance. Eastern games like Rance and UNIB look less flashy, but are designed to be replayable forever.

Non-whites who respect their own race by developing games that respect their culture are better than anti-white trannies who hate their own by developing shit like Battletech.

>>14783433

>muh ips

Hang yourself. All you can post are street fighter clones.

>>14783448

>Street Fighter clones

Where the fuck do all these people keep coming from?

>>14783448

You've never actually played Street Fighter, have you?

>>14783448

The most you can post are mediocre clones of great 90s shooters with pretty UE4 particle efforts, bloom, and motion blur in which gamers drop after one playthrough. Not to mention that they're made by leftist furfags/trannies who care more about shoving their political message than making a good game.

Also, it's close to Guilty Gear.

>>14783464

Todd posting should also be banned. It's not funny at best and a marketing psyop to create a cult of personality at worst.

Ban all Todds.

>>14783461

Of course he didn't play Street Fighter. He plays in a genre known to churn out simplified remakes of 90s shooters while having LGBT-themed walking-sims/Visual Novels.

Here's the pinnacle of the western indie industry.

>>14783462

>The most you can post are mediocre clones of great 90s shooters

No, that's the most you can do cocksucker

Dusk is anal sauce and so is your taste in games

>>14783474

>Posts Soyny marketed garbage pushed by the clique and the kikes

But of course, great job goy

>>14783370

Is Melty Blood still worth getting into? I don't know what to do after Arc System Works abandoned Guilty Gear.

>>14783477

You're buying a game made by a leftist, don't be a cuck.

>>14783481

Actress Again is pretty good the last time I've played it, but I think the majority went to UNIBST instead.

>>14783489

Yes, abandoned. Actually I know exactly what I'm going to do: I'm going to try avoiding putting myself in a position where I can be betrayed again. Tell me more about UNIST and its developer. Are they greedy cocksuckers I should expect to some day day out because they "want the Street Fighter IV audience" like Daisuke Ishiwatari or something else?

>>14783490

>leftist

Take your meds.

>>14783501

Look at the clique the dev follows on twitter. You're going to be disappointed to see that they follow the usual suspects. Ignorance is bliss, but don't say that I didn't warn you. If you want a quick litmus test, ask them if they support Trump or not.

>>14783502

Kojimbo isn't indie and I didn't get MGSV because it ripped off it's premise from Itoh's Genocidal Organ.

>>14783514

>Moving the goalposts

Every fucking time

>>14783527

>following liberal identity politics doesn't make one a leftist (read: a liberal)

huh?

anyways he sucks off most of hollywood and its ilk which is 99% leftist

>>14783527

>muh tangerine hitler who caused a peace treaty in nk is bad

Lol, no wonder you take offense with what I say. You're a leftist who likes flashy left-wing garbage. Enjoy your poz-propaganda with ugly LGBTBBQ dykes and I'll enjoy my fun with cute girls.

>>14783533

I wish this was the average indie, but unfortunately vid related is. You westerners like thicccc women with lootboxes (like pubg) though soooooo

Dungeon of the Endless is my favorite indie game

>>14782998

So what you're saying is you're a consolefag who can't enjoy good video games unless "da gwafiks are pwetty"? Good to know.

>>14783565

Leftists are just euphoric liberals.

>>14783554

>lightning fast combat

>combat is anything but

huhu

Since we're recommending games, Ring Runner's pretty good.

I had no idea that spire gamemode exists because multiplayer is dead

>>14783582

Why did they leave the developer graphics in?

>>14783408

Starting to feel some trepidation about this after they decided to bring back Descent's stupid trichording exploit. I really hope they put a lot of thought into level and enemy design.

>>14783578

>buying propaganda made by pozzed devs

Come on duuuuude, pick a better example. At least post western indies like Ground Branch

Most indie games are low effort unpolished shit. Doujin games despite being more unpolished in some cases usually have much more interesting game play that is far more satisfying. Give me Kero Blaster over Momodora any day of the week.

>>14783592

You don't even know what developer graphics look like you shameless graphics whore.

>>14783597

read this https://playoverload.com/forums/topic/illustrating-all-way-hybrid-and-tri-chord/

>>14783612

Sure I do, they're temporary graphics used to represent something until the artist draws the necessary assets. Seems like they forgot to remove them for that game.

>>14783619

If you think that's what developer graphics look like you're deluded. Developer graphics are quite literally squares to represent things. Stop being a faggot and pretending you know shit about game development.

>>14783613

Can you explain this hybrid system?

>>14783071

>whenever someone dares to say that he likes some games there'll always be a contrarian sperg shitting on him and his tastes as if his words had any weight

Every damn time. /v/ never changes.

>>14783627

Not necessarily. Like alpha and beta developer graphics can mean many different things depending on who is using the phrase. In some cases developer content is better than what ends up shipping - Portal 2 comes to mind with Wheatley's Valve voice actor. Generally it's simplified icons meant to give basic intent of the graphic, and saying it's "quite literally" just squares to represent things is remarkably ill-informed.

>>14783645

Well when I develop games I use simple images to represent things for pre-alpha stages as do most developers. Most developers don't have the money or time to throw away on graphics they won't use.

>>14783642

>Actually defending such mediocrity

Are you the GoW autist?

>>14783643

Of course I know what stick figures are. They're what you use when you're developing a game and need a schematic representation of mechanics before you add the graphics.

>>14783650

Yep, but it can mean many different things. It doesn't "literally" mean anything except that it's an asset that it is a placeholder intended to be replaced before ship.

>>14783657

Sure, but this anon is still a fag >>14783592 just saying.

>>14783628

Basically All-Way lets you move in a single direction faster than with any other setting, whereas Trichord gives you the normal movement without normalized speed vectors, which allows you to move at the greatest speed possible as long as you are moving along three vectors simultaneously. While All-Way can cover the most distance compared to anything else as long as you are moving in one direction, it wouldn't be able to move as fast along multiple vectors as you would be when trichording in the Trichording setting. Hybrid is an in-between kind of option where you gain the most speed when you're bichording. The illustration shows that while All-Way can move the fastest, Trichord is more flexible in the areas it can cover in a given amount of time.

>>14783660

All I'm trying to do is understand why they left the developer graphics in, anon. Did their artist die before release and they just went with what they had?

>>14783652

>pointing out that some faggot acts like a faggot is defending other faggot's crappy tastes

GoW is shit series. It's almost insulting that you thought I would be autistic about it.

>>14783670

They should have just used normalized diagonals across the board. This is still going to end up forcing everyone to trichord in multiplayer.

>>14783671

Like I said before: you don't even know what developer graphics are and that you think those are developer graphics just because they're simple shows you have autism.

>>14783205

>Overcuck

>good

wew dubs

>>14783681

>>14783682

Perhaps they had a falling out and the main dev team decided to release without graphics to spite the artist?

>>14783682

You just literally can't even, can you?

>>14783690

Learn to read IDs cuckchan.

>>14783697

Learn to read in general, cuckchan. I'm mocking fc1a16 for talking like a faggot.

Oh I know: the artist wouldn't stop drawing character art that was too lewd for release, so they just dropped it?

>>14783680

It does, but there's nothing particularly wrong with that since it adds a lot to multiplayer, as you can see from the thread most of the veterans would prefer it stayed in. To quote a post from that thread:

>I don’t think it’s particularly useful to think in terms of “average speed”, except in the case of speedrunning. In general, people slow down when they don’t need to go fast, and they speed up when they need to go fast. It sounds trite saying it that way, but it’s true. Experienced pilots often go from stopped to trichording to single chord to dual to tri to stopped again over the course of a few seconds. They could have a higher “average speed” by always moving full bore, but the goal isn’t highest average speed, it’s having the speed you need when you need it, in the direction you need it, while also having the control you need. Hold still to fire down a hallway, trichord to dodge incoming shots, dual-chord to balance speed with visibility/readiness, single-chord backwards while firing at an enemy, trichord to flank them after they approach too close, stop suddenly as your opponent overcorrects so you can shoot them in the back, etc.

>>14783710

He never said literally, I did. And that you're so triggered by me using a word properly is pretty autistic. I can understand if I were over-using it or using it incorrectly, but your autism flared up the second I posted it once in the correct contents. Try and grow a thicker skin honey.

>>14783679

GoW1 was fun, fag.

>>14783719

>it’s having the speed you need when you need it, in the direction you need it, while also having the control you need

Except you don't have the control you need. Trichording is a completely anti-intuitive movement method that forces you to turn your gun away from what you're trying to escape. By the way I'm a Descent "veteran" too. It was always a dumb mechanic.

>>14783052

This. Indie games used to be respected until Gone Home was shilled out by gaming websites.

>>14783726

So is tossing a bag of shit around.

>>14783721

It's literally not about the word literally, why are you defending him?

>>14783740

>defending him

Again: Learn to read IDs cuckchan. That or you can always go back.

>>14783737

Nah, you weren't around for fez? A lot of the most praised ones from last gen were very underwhelming too. Bastion and Braid come to mind as very disappointing releases that were sucked off endlessly. Bastion in particular.

>>14783734

>Trichording is a completely anti-intuitive movement method that forces you to turn your gun away from what you're trying to escape

Not at all. Movement is separated from turning/aiming. It's entirely possible to track a target while trichording.

>anti-intuitive

Does that mean bunnyhopping is anti-intuitive too?

>>14783744

Well lucky for you there is a place you can go without IDs or any of the other nasty bits of board culture we have here and have had here for years. If you don't like it, you can always pay a visit:

>>>/cuckchan/

I'd complain about the thread being derailed by a couple of autists, but OP is a giant faggot with no taste anyways so it's no harm done

>>14783742

Perhaps you can educate me what it is when you rush to insist someone is from cuckchan when you see them mocking someone else for the way they type. Keep trying to fit in, this is funny.

>>14783738

No that's no fun.

>>14783734

Is trichording the name you give to each axis having a separate acceleration that allows for faster diagonal movement? If so, that shit's stupid.

>>14783758

Making a thread carries a responsibility that too many people can't recognize.

>>14783744

Only because they added an entirely new meta to posting that plenty of people, even in this very thread, like to exploit.

>>14783763

>mock someone else

Anon, please link me to a post with the ID fc1a16 saying the word "literally". Also at this point you've said the word you're triggered by a number of times more than I ever did,you're the one posting gay shit like "literally can't even" when no one else has, you're pretending to be retarded after an autism fit and are being bullied for it, just accept it an move on.

thread is really gay

dubs

>>14782998

Sounds like you want some PS4 moviegames.

>>14783760

>implying it's not /pol/ false flagging as /leftpol/ false flagging as /pol/

>>14783765

>No that's no fun.

Just like GoW1

>>14783775

>he's confusing cuckchans shitty board culture with 8chans

Why not just say "Hi, I'm a refugee fresh off the boat"?

>>14783772

I already told you it's not about the word literally, thank you for proving your own illiteracy you simp.

>>14783793

>I told you it's not about the word I keep repeating and clearly freaking out over

Okay, then what's it about?

>>14783807

So it's about the word literally then? Okay.

>>14783784

Whatever.

>>14783786

>FUCK YOU I HAD FUN

Tossing a bag of shit?

>trichording

man there's no excuse for that. why would they keep it?

>>14783823

>why would they keep it?

Echochamber of the people who crowdfunded their game? I presume they're simply delivering what the people who got inured to trichording in the first place are demanding.

>>14783813

If you want to believe that despite me explaining in plain English otherwise, fine. I can't control what retards think and I don't care very much to do so. I still want an answer why you are defending someone else so desperately.

>>14783205

King's Field was Dark Souls in first person, yet no one mentions that. You bandwagon imbeciles are nothing but faggots pretending to like games. Why don't you go back to playing baseball or whatever it is that you did before Xbox 360 showed up?

>>14783833

Again, I'm bullying you because you had an autism fit and pretended to be retarded. See >>14783690 And you never explained in plain English your problem, you just vaguely said "he talks like a faggot". What was it, can he not say Jesus Christ? Is that not allowed where you're from? Honestly, what triggered you?

>>14783823

>man there's no excuse for that. why would they keep it?

Because it's Descent's equivalent of bunnyhopping and the skill ceiling would be lowered without it. Being able to move at different speeds is useful in games where turning speeds are limited and hitting your target is about leading shots.

>>14783817

It is neither about the resolution nor the lack of ultra-realistic textures that bother me.

Just the complete and utter lack of EFFORT to produce something good-looking.

Any retard can slap together some highly pixelated sprites and call it "retro."

>>14783844

>the skill ceiling would be lowered without it

So replace it with something something more intuitive? People who argue for these sorts of mechanics always act like the alternative is nothing.

>>14783852

Just what do you mean by intuitive? Does that imply bunnyhopping is not intuitive either? Because as far as I know the movement techs in arena shooters are held up as pillars of what defines skill, trichording is no different here.

>>14783856

Just tossing an idea how here, but how about some sort of "burst" secondary movement system that allows you to move at higher speed than normal in a particular direction but at the expense of some momentum control? The tradeoff might be similar to trichording except you don't have to move your reticule to some odd angle where you're not looking at anything useful.

>>14783843

Yes, drive by whinging about a thread is something he can do, and something i will always mock as it is the kind of behavior I expect from a bitch.

>>14783877

>allows you to move at higher speed than normal in a particular direction but at the expense of some momentum control

I can only cannonballing you around, which would give you even less control than trichording.

Besides, don't avoid the question. Bunnyhopping itself is done by jumping in a rhythm while slowly turning your aim and back and forth to increase your speed. Rocketjumping is done by launching a rocket at your feet to propel yourself upwards at the expense of taking self-inflicted blast damage. How can these be considered intuitive despite being considered such an integral part of arena shooters, and why should trichording be considered unintuitive?

>>14783918

Because in all three instances they involve diverting attention from the direction you're moving or the target or hazard you're following. Appeals to popularity don't magically make them intuitive.

>>14782998

>Does anyone else have 0 interest in indie games?

>0

nah, only that ones that are fun.

>>14783927

And just what does this "intuitive" buzzword mean you constantly keep throwing around? Techniques naturally arising from existing mechanics working together sounds intuitive to me.

>>14783956

A fast-movement mechanic that doesn't force one to divert attention from the direction they're moving or the target or hazard they're following.

>not quite "full"

iktf, they don't even have pre-release DLC or season passes :(

>>14783592

ikr, just imagine how much better it would be if it had the graphical level of Horizon Zero Dawn® for the Playstation 4™

I Like indie games, but I get your frustration. Most indie games, due to budget constraints, are 2D sprite shows and the aesthetic is getting stale. I bought this graphics card for something ya know.

That doesn't mean that those games aren't good. Shovel knight, Infinifactory, and Stanley's Parable I all adore. But there is no way to find anything remotely decent if it isn't shilled by an e-celeb.

Plus, it feels one-hit-wonderish, if that is a word. Most of these major indie titles stand alone and their devs aren't really known for making more. And those that do make more then to just make the same game but slightly different ala Limbo to Inside.

In the end though, I can't complain. Since indies still make good games occasionally. You just gotta find them first.

>>14783983

>A fast-movement mechanic that doesn't force one to divert attention from the direction they're moving or the target or hazard they're following.

That doesn't say anything about the implications of what makes something intuitive. Something I intentionally didn't mention before and you apparently didn't get is that the appeal to these kind of techniques, such as rocketjumping, bunnyhopping, trichording, is that you're making a trade-off for speed. Especially in a game like Descent where the turning speed is limited, tri-chording wrongly puts you at more risk than necessary. However, the good pilots are those who can lead their targets while trichording simultaneously as the other is completely dazed around. That's how skill can be differentiated.

>>14782998

Indie-games reminds me more of the free flash-games that were all over the internet back in the day, rather than old console-games.

They feel cheap and i just assume it's just hipster-faggots that enjoy them.

>>14782998

The AAA publisher jews sure are shilling hard today. Must be some kind of targetted advertising gimmick on the run-up to E3.

>>14784206

What percentage of an AAA game's budget is taken up by paid shills on a Finnish wood carving webzone?

>>14784136

>leaving something in deliberateley

>bad coding

wut

I don't understand this inexplicable aversion to trichording, considering most Descent multiplayer communities consider it an essential skill. It's one of those bug-turned-feature things like combos in Street Fighter or rocketjumping in Quake, though even in the case of Descent movement it was intentionally not normalized from the get go because non-normalized movement in a 6DoF game just felt more responsive. It's certainly a feature in the case of Overload.

Meanwhile all the movement techs in arena shooters get a free pass even though they'd fit in the same category as trichording.

indie games are only for true gamers like myself.

>>14783794

Yoko Taro really fucked that guy in the ass, I remember seeing screenshots of his game. There was also an anon developing a slime raising sim that got his idea stolen by someone else, since I don't think it was the same guy that released it.

>>14783281

What, you mean their posts were good or were they shit, because they were definitely on-point.

>>14783786

>trichording is the extension of that classic diagonal movement speed running

Isn't trichording basically 3D SR40?

>>14784193

At the heart of GG was the fury that we couldn't trust them to curate the truly good in such an ocean of titles.

>>14784237

I don't want to get into a fight about it. I just really dislike the idea. I recognize the kind of shitty coding I used to do in my 2d flash game experiments as a teenager.

>>14784325

The agdg nier thing was a coincidence though, wasn't it?

>>14784415

Tetradev is, or at least went insane I felt bad for him though

>>14784415

yet GG was totally co-opted and run into the dirt by fags, neoliberals & neocons. The whole debacle really did eventually become chanology 2.0. Fucking sickens and saddens me.

>>14784454

As a consumer awareness movement it fulfilled it's goal. Certainly opened my eyes to a lot of shit, or at least made me realize the importance of fighting back against marxism.

>>14783744

People like you prove that IDs in fact are very necessary for imageboards.

>>14784465

Of course it genitally served some good initially but it was a dumpster fire in the long run and lead to so many cancerous trends.

>>14784011

>due to budget constraints, are 2D sprite shows

No, I think it's more due to incompetence, lack of direction, lack of knowledge of game design and an undue sense of self worth. A lot of these minimalist pixel art indie games show an unknowing or knowing disregard of established game design theories that directly hurt the quality of the game, create more mediocre designs, and even the most praised ones like the stanley parable and bastion commit to these issues. Even those knowing of the basic theories of game design rarely ever explore the theories to remotely the same degree a well made game from 20 years ago or from 1 year ago does. This kind of incompetence is shown at every level of Western design and it's a constant throughout generations. I'm not convinced these people know how to make games and it is ultimately what makes the Japanese industry far more enjoyable than the Western one.

>>14784494

>metafags are here to cry about the good old days again

/v/ was never good.

>>14784494

why dub when you can general vidya talk?

>>14784509

>/v/ was never good

>>>/cuckchan/

>>14784532

Because talking about vidya is haram not kosher ???

>>14784415

>I just really dislike the idea

How come? I like the way devs re purposed bugs into actual vidya mechanics, the one that stands out to me is Tribes' skiing.

>>14784568

/v/ was good for about two weeks in 2014 when everyone was just getting in here and adjusting, nervous to do anything stupid. Two weeks and you're bitching about it now, 3 and a half years later.

Since we're talking about indies, is anyone else not really feeling Risk of Rain 2? I caught a recent video and while I was on board at first with the third person gameplay it has that same issue as those third person assfaggots where it simply autoaims for you the entire time, plus it seems way too easy(might be co-op, I never played the first in co-op) and I don't feel a sprint should have ever been included.

>>14784616

Personally I think /v/ is good when it's about discussion. If someone says some stupid shit I think he should be pummeled with actual arguments as to why he's a stupid fuck instead of these sage bomb insults that feel a lame attempt to just get the last word in.

>>14784678

Fuck OP. If his thread is shit he can go suck on a dick while his thread is being repurposed into something better.

>>14782998

>Does anyone else have 0 interest in indie games?

If you mean "indie" games then no not the least bit of interest.

Independently developed games on the other hand I find potentially very interesting.

>>14783071

There's literally nothing wrong with Nioh aside from some lack of weapon and youkai variety.

>>14784771

But there is weapon variety anon

How can you say there isn't weapon variety with those 300 useless weapons in your inventory? :^)

Nioh has too much padding, even if some of it is optional

>>14784748

>>Then praising shit like Nioh…which have worse game design than many indie titles out there

Who who whoa, wait a minute. Nioh have good gameplay, and its a good game with lots of replayability.

>>14784678

no just 2 weeks, newfag. You might have joined in after that but it wasn't really a big drop in quality then from what we have now.

>>14784786

Yeah, it's weird to attack Nioh. That just makes no sense, it's a fantastic game and lumping it in with the disappointment of MW and prey 2017 is just a display of shit taste.

>>14783377

>radiation trefoil is practically a swastika

>using the wrong emoji is grounds for being made a pariah

How do these people even manage to live?

>>14784795

>having individual accelerations for x/y that makes it move twice faster if both up and right keys are pressed

Wouldn't your total displacement be ~1.4a in that first example?

>>14784795

>sen

I get where you're coming from. But theoretically in Descent you have various thrusters for different directions so I suppose you're accelerating with more force when tricording.

>>14784786

>>14784794

>Has good combat

>That makes the whole game including shit level design and lack of atmosphere good

Nah, I can't even remember the music and I played that fucking game for 30 hours.

The variety is in the weapon movesets but there's nothing going for it, the whole game is linear as fuck and barely rewards exploration since most weapons are shit and items can be easily bought outside missions.

>>14784794

>it wasn't really a big drop in quality then from what we have now.

Yeah, the time where 4AM and LOL threads were filled with OC and there were no Gacha threads was totally the same as now.

>>14784817

>oh no a handful of threads exist now that didn't back then, I can't hide or filter them or anything

do you also mourn the loss of undertale generals?

sounds like you also don't know good level design tbh, and atmosphere doesn't exist

>>14784812

whatever, smarto. Hypotenuse is trigonometry and my whole point is that such calculations are out of the question in the mental state of the first example's programmer.

>>14784816

Woops my spanish is showing. Yeah I thought about the thrusters but I didn't mention it as it sounds more like an excuse after the fact.

>>14784795

But it's a Feature™ (no seriously, the Descent 3 manual actually made a mention of trichording. The Descent 1 team wrote their own vector libraries and had previous experience with flight simulators, they sure as hell knew what they were including or not)

A lot of old first-person shooters had unnormalized acceleration, even games like Doom or Quake (re: straferunning bug in Doom). Though the speed boost of bichording usually totals around 20% whereas in Descent it totals around 73% since you can move at three axes simultaneously, which is significantly more significant.

Interestingly, one of the big things that holds certain pilots back is that they trichord too much. They learn about it, and they try to be fast-fast-fast all the time, and as a result they fly around awkwardly pointing their ship down and to the side, and when someone comes around the corner they're not in position to shoot (and, because it takes about 100 ms to re-orient their ship, they're at the equivalent of "lag induced by being on another continent" in terms of the disadvantage in time-to-put-shots-on-target.)

>>14782998

The only indie title I care about now is Madness: Project Nexus 2.

>>14782998

FTL is deeper on a strategic/gameplay level than any of the AAA games you mentioned. If it's not your cup of tea that's fine but that's what I prefer. I mostly just play strategy games, whether they are indie or AAA but you get more indies making proper strategy games than AAA companies these days.

>>14784834

>If you filter them they'll go away

You're absolutely a fucking newfaggot who came during mid 2015

>sounds like you also don't know good level design tbh

Yeah, climbing stairs twice due to falling through a trap that you couldn't possibly know was there the first time is top tier level design, no jumping and invisible walls railroading you into corridors that pretend to be more open than they really are is also top tier level design, and so is the complete lack of jumping.

>atmosphere doesn't exist

In this game it absolutely doesn't and thanks to it the game feels hollow and lifeless as fuck save from very few exceptions.

>>14784864

>bringing up jumping, a mechanic, when talking about level design

>falling for traps means the levels are bad

>corridors are also bad

face it, you don't know anything about level design. Read some literature on the subject, watch a few presentations on its theories, I recommend starting simple with GMTK so you can get the basics down.

>>14784854

>>14784854

>Interestingly, one of the big things that holds certain pilots back is that they trichord too much. They learn about it, and they try to be fast-fast-fast all the time, and as a result they fly around awkwardly pointing their ship down and to the side, and when someone comes around the corner they're not in position to shoot (and, because it takes about 100 ms to re-orient their ship, they're at the equivalent of "lag induced by being on another continent" in terms of the disadvantage in time-to-put-shots-on-target.)

The way I see it if you have to think about how you move instead of having a rhythm for it then you're not going to have as much fun.

Is it possible to have a Descent gamenight? I know I'll probably get my shit thoroughly pushed in but I figure it ought to be really fun. The multiplayer is still functional, right?

Who voiced in the intro cutscene in 2? I feel like it's Jon St John but it's not in his credits

Also also, is descent 3 any good?

>>14782998

Some indie games are fine I guess, but on the other hand some of them do give me a 'this is a free mid 2000s newgrounds game that costs $30' vibe.

>>14784880

>The way I see it if you have to think about how you move instead of having a rhythm for it then you're not going to have as much fun.

I'm not sure what you mean with rhythm, though positioning and ship rotation matters a lot in multiplayer. High-level players in Descent are like fucking Jedi, they can dodge incoming shots with miniscule movements while appearing like they're not moving at all, only to sting your flanks like a bee the moment you're slightly off-center.

>Is it possible to have a Descent gamenight? I know I'll probably get my shit thoroughly pushed in but I figure it ought to be really fun. The multiplayer is still functional, right?

Maybe if we bug Mark enough we can get a Descent gamenight going to help shill Overload's release at the end of May, I don't think there's many people good at Descent multiplayer in /v/ to begin with, let alone people who actually heard of the game. You can still get a multiplayer match going nowadays, though individual matches don't support a high amount of players.

>Who voiced in the intro cutscene in 2? I feel like it's Jon St John but it's not in his credits

https://www.please use archive.is/descent-ii/3030-5507/credits/

Some guys I've never heard of

>Also also, is descent 3 any good?

It's eeehhh, it's more remembered for its multiplayer anyways. Level design in Descent 3 took a rather large hit and the difficulty scaling is fucked because unlike 1&2, enemy health also scales with difficulty, so you want to be playing on Hotshot for the most balanced experience.

>>14784817

>I can't even remember the music and I played that fucking game for 30 hours.

Then you must be entirely deaf.

>>14784864

>In this game it absolutely doesn't and thanks to it the game feels hollow and lifeless as fuck save from very few exceptions.

You have absolutely shit taste.

>>14784901

>climbing stairs twice due to falling through a trap that you couldn't possibly know

>The traps on the burning village don't even have a cue

They do if you look carefully and don't rush in like a sperg.

>no jumping

Did you think it was going to be like Mario.

Why are you complaining about having to back track? Will moves sanic fast and if you know where you're going you can get back in seconds.

>>14782998

I understand what you're saying, but I also believe that the indie market exists to allow people to create their passion projects and fill a niche. Both of those are important in an industry and continues to be dominated by money grubbing corporate giants who are only interested in churning out yet even more homogenized trash in pursuit of making their profit margins skyrocket.

For what it's worth, some indie games are pretty comparable to the classics of yesterday, such as Shovel Knight being an homage to old school 2D platformers like Mega Man and Casltevania. Finally, I disagree with the notion that high quality games can't be produced on a shoestring budget. It really just depends on your dedication, the tools at your disposal, and the expertise through which you can produce something great. While many facets of production must be purchased, there are plenty of free solutions these days, and that means that the only necessary component you really need is the know-how and the dedication to make it all work.

It's like the difference between a corporate entity like Sony Music, who can provide their artists with the latest in cutting edge sound design, engineering, and supplementary musical talent, and an amateur musician who turned his basement into a studio and who must rely on cheap alternatives to produce his music. While the corporate monolith will definitely be able to produce better quality sound in a technical sense, they can't systematically produce something like genuine love for music itself, which is arguably one of the most important ingredients in being a successful musician.

>>14784963

>Generic orchestral

Totally memorable

>You have absolutely shit taste.

Or maybe the game barely conveys a good atmosphere that should have been easily achieved with the Youkai mythos and dark tone that's generally lifeless most of the time aside from certain sections.

>They do if you look carefully and don't rush in like a sperg.

You cannot tell the first time

>Did you think it was going to be like Mario?

No, but I thought it would have good level design to accompany the lack of that mechanic.

But it doesn't, instead of jumping you have ladders which is much less satisfying.

>Why are you complaining about having to back track?

When did I ever do that? I'm saying having invisible walls to force you to backtrack and lack of verticality is shit.

It's why the Docks and Three Angry Gods are probably the best levels in the game, they give you a shitton of options, lack invisible walls and offer some good verticality unlike most of the game.

90% of indies, like 90% of all games, are shit. I don't hold them on a pedestal the way some fuckheads do, and they are particularly susceptible to the cancerous "games are art" meme - only this time mixed with inexperience and even less of a focus on gameplay than AAA trash that at least needs to have SOME small basis of gameplay to keep you on the microtransaction treadmill.

I guess I just don't really make a distinction when it comes to what I download. If it looks interesting, I'll play it. For the most part, if you want the "indie aesthetic" which actually comes with decent gameplay to back it up - you're better off just downloading abandonware.

>>14785013

>Totally memorable

Well then what do you consider memorable music mr. contrarian shitposter?

>No, but I thought it would have good level design to accompany the lack of that mechanic.

>But it doesn't, instead of jumping you have ladders which is much less satisfying.

>he's still complaining about no jumping

There are many games that lack jumping as a means to navigate the stages anon. Do you only play 2D platformers or something?

>You cannot tell the first time

In most cases you can. In the few you can then so what? It is a trap after all.

>lack of verticality is shit.

I'm guessing you must have quit the game early.

>>14783271

I hate video games

>>14783779

>implying /pol/ is smart enough to do that

>>14784957

deflection is railing about the inventory menu when discussing level design. Telling you to justify your wrong views is the entire conversation. Not surprised you can't.

I like to come to threads like this just so I can get some recommendations for actual good indie games, as well as seeing some criticism/debate/comparison on various indie and non-indie games

Quit Western games and only play weeb games now.

What I would like to see is a return of AA games. Indie shit is too cheap, they can't hire artists. Can't do voice acting. And they certainly can't do a soundtrack.

>>14784494

You clicked on the thread faggot, don't like it don't read it.

God knows this thread isn't taking up valuable space.

>>14785203

Hollow knight if you haven't already.

>>14783099

Agreed,

INDIE = SHIT-TIER

>>14785470

>>14785485

t. kike

>>14785470

>>14785485

What was the last game you actually liked?

>>14783466

I still think about this girl. Never seen her outside of this gif. She's so damn cute.

>>14783080

>Minecraft

>digital lego + farming simulator

>pixelshit but in THREE DEE

One of the most boring and uninspired games I've ever seen.

>>14785517

Jew noses aren't cute.

>>14785545

She looks Irish to me. Like Hayley Williams.

>>14782998

>Bastion

<Indie

Go back, you fucking retard.

>>14782998

>>14783051

indie is confirmed garbage infested with 5 guys tier libshit faggots

liking them makes you cancer

>>14783117

Who cares if it influenced the industry? Innovation is innovation, and there are much more creative indie games than there are AAA ones. Zachtronics games are pretty much their own genre, then there's shit like Dwarf Fortress, Factorio, or SS13 which don't have any kind of AAA equivalents. The only innovation the AAA industry does is in the graphical department which doesn't really matter much.

>>14783052

This, it's like with indie films. You have ambitious projects that are just limited by the budget but still display talent and then you have those movies about gay cowboys eating pudding produced by rich hipsters who smell their own farts.

I have zero interest in sidescrollers and roguelites and it happens that those compose most indie shit

Limbo & Inside were good but you beat them in a couple of hours and they have no replayability.

Limbo had better puzzles, Inside was more entertaining.

Not saying you should buy them, but you should play them.

>>14783099

>you fucking casual

I guess you like shit games for tryhards who suck at video games then?

>>14785906

>I have zero interest in sidescrollers

so basically, the vast majority of 2D games?

Yes.

Indies became pretentious and unfinished shit quickly.

Anything that starts as "the alternative to…" almost all the time end up being shit or even worse.

>>14783033

Indies are as shit as AAA games.

There are almost no good games currently.

Only a few non-indie and non-AAA are good.

>>14783051

This anon gets it.

There is not only 2 choices. there is always other options regarding games.

There hasn't been an indie game made that wasn't even better than BurgerTime in the arcades in the early 80's

Cave Story

Iji

Hotline Miami

Dorf Fort

Risk of Rain

Spelunky

Mountain Blade Warband

Terraria

All of those are pretty fun and solid games. Try em out.

>>14783056

>homosexuality is a gender

i hate that we use the same board

>>14785885

Furi was about 95% to long.

>>14786486

milquetoast view with nothing interesting to say

Meat boy and Binding of Issac are alright.

>>14786577

BoI sucks shit after the non flash version DLC.

>>14782998

>a heap of shit is better than a small gem

Abslutely agree, indies don't even have trash lockpicking minigames

>>14782998

I have some interest in indie games, even though I hate most of them. Every once in a while I see a good indie game and hope it gets recognition or somehow inspires better changes in AAA or AA games. This never happens though, so I just go back to being depressed that new games will continue to get worse.

>>14786559

Actually I felt Furi was too short. Strip away the walking sections and the downtime between boss fights(like the small pauses and animations transitioning between a phase to a phase) and the game isn't long. Honestly I dig the game for a handful of bosses and a couple of them are the DLC bosses which I wish to have seen more of.

>>14785517

thats dodger leigh, a middling e celeb on the youtube.

>>14785885

Too bad the story of superhot was supergay

"Hurr I control u an u do wat i sayyy"

Or I can go play another game at any time, some game doesn't control me

The mechanics and look of is were very nice though, refreshing

>>14784748

Monster Hunter World is a good game though

>>14784659

You're retarded. In that video the dev is playing as the huntress who is the only character with autoaim (unless they add new characters that also get it). She can also shoot while sprinting which the other characters can't do, however she has shorter range. As for the difficulty, I'd chalk it up to pre-alpha build. They haven't even opened it up to people outside the dev team to test yet.

>>14790427

It's a dumpster of a Monster Hunter game, it's just that a shitty Monster Hunter game is still above-average quality these days.

>>14787944

Nah. I got tired of the gameplay about 4 bosses in. I beat it but it's overrated as fuck on this board. The music isn't much good either since it's generic synthshit track #309 with a few standout songs maybe.

>>14784475

And why is that exactly? So you can pick at your opponent's least desirable traits instead of confronting the central point?

>>14792034

Yes.

>>14786360

Iji is shit, try again. And Cave Story is freeware, not indie.

>>14783072

what game is that?

>>14792064

Downwell.

>>14790858

I'm a sucker for boss rushes so I saw it all the way through, but I agree that out of the whole game I remember at most three bosses and one track(and it was the least synth-iest of the ost)

(((Western))) indies are all garbo anyway.

>>14785283

>>14799052

This.

>>14782998

Ok. Is this the designated blogposting thread?

I liked Braid and Hotline Miami, although I wouldn't play them again. I don't think Braid is pretentious. Just because it has a hidden story you have to dig deeper to get, doesn't mean it has 2deep4u pretenses. The base game is there to finish and it's fairly simple. If you like that and you finish it, you're done and that's fine.

As for Limbo, it wasn't very interesting. Short, easy puzzles, unimpressing story, or lore or whatever. Boring monotone artstyle.

Does This War Of Mine count as indie? I liked that one better. It gets super easy after a certain point, though.

>>14785283

>Can't do voice acting.

Good. We don't need that fucking bullshit nor do we need the voice actors mafia in the west. Just text or cutscenes with subtitles is fine. Maybe grunts and screams at the most.

>>14800295

>>14799052

>>14785283

2 nukes weren't enough.

>>14785283

I agree with wanting more AA games (for both western and eastern markets), but why the fuck would you want cringey voice acting eating the budget of more important things unless you're talking of porn games ?

>>14784725

>Believe it or not some people have opinions that aren't similar to yours.

And people also have shitty opinions, like "indie games are good" instead of the superior japanese media which has been unhindered by SJW infestation which is the cause of the current indie death of good games syndrome.

>>14802277

What part is that?

>>14802313

Ah man,i'm still on part 3,i got so much to go.

>>14802313

>The first confirmed straight as fuck Jojo protagonist.

>implying

Are you forgeting jonathan, joseph, jotaro and johnny?

>>14802341

To be fair jonathon did that to keep dio from attaching to his body and to monologue to him as he was dying about mutual respect

Not that it did him any good considering part 3 which doesn't make any fucking sense because how did dio get in the coffin when erina did

>>14802343

Dio getting in the coffin is a plot hole that confuses me to this day.

>>14802343

>>14802347

or tentacle veins or something

>>14802347

I read on the wiki some later on spin off novel explained it as "erina dragged dio into the coffin (attached to jonathan's body???) because she was hallucinating from the ship smoke,but that's still retarded.

>>14802352

Also kakyoins stand somehow cutting jotaro using painting but that's never referenced or used again WOOPS LOL

>>14802354

That's a pretty shitty cop-out

>>14802356

he probably just painted him and then used his long range stand snake out and slash him at the knee. He wasn't exactly right in the head with that DIO parasite on his brain.

>>14800839

fuck, can't remember what flash this song was in

>I only play mature games for mature gamers such as myself

Embarrasing

>>14783051

>FOTM shit like gravity rush

>only recent games

>literally only playing games because they're popular

>>14783079

>damage control

>>14783184

>>14783205

AYYYYYYY

>Overwatch

AHAHAHAHA

>>>/cuckchan/