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>>14778910

The scrolling looks beyond fucked up, like the entire level takes place in a big loop.

>>14778928

I also believe the art style is ugly but maybe in the right hands could be cool.

>>14778936

That's what happens when you put people that from the demos scene of the Amiga to do games. They love to do all this fancy stuff.

>>14778945

In the right hands it would be alien soldier.

>>14779094

The Dark Knight trilogy is pretty good tho.

>>14779094

It's pretty weird seeing how insanely buff and built Batman is only to see him glide around the place at insane speeds and do all this weird twirling and shit. If I recall correctly Knight had this Throw Counter move that had your counters throw people across rooms. I'm mentioning it because I remember the animations for it being more grounded and focused on how Batman is much stronger than anyone else than he is faster or more agile, and I think I would have liked the focus to be on that more than all the ballerina twirling, at least with how Batman is built in the games.

I do agree all these serious and realistic video games are a joke. Going back to Knight, the whole story is a predictable joke(Example: Barbra Gordon "dies", the scene lasts for like 10 seconds of Batman kneeling in front of her corpse, then suddenly he thinks of what to do next and goes for it, and that complete and utter lack of fanfare or weight it carried immediately spoils the fact that she's not dead,example 2 halfway into the game you go into this area where the game repeatedly pauses itself so it can tell the story of Jason Todd and then lo and behold the big twist is that king bitch himself is Jason Todd) and I find it weird how all of the heavy shit is in the little paragraphs you get for solving riddles. There's this one about some guy going to professor Pyg to get his son back and then he sees that his son is now a horrible faceless and mindless doll, and the guy is about to suffer the same fate and then the game shys from even showing blood or gore or just about anything that would invoke an emotion that isn't confusion.

Shit series, great T&A.

>>14779361

It disappeared by the ps2 era, fucker.

People realized they're bad games and so they never bothered with their art styles.

>>14779485

Sorry they are. Like so many other confused, pretentious European attempts to copy arcade games, Turrican was always a gross misunderstanding of what made Contra good.

>>14779500

Why?

>>14779517

That's a very difficult question. Perhaps one could argue that arcades effectively stopped in the mid-late '80s in Europe, and home computer fans were left to their own accord to figure out how to innovate and expand upon arcade genres while they missed out on all the stuff that was refined in the later '80s and early '90s. Maybe it's a cultural thing where Europeans constantly feel the need to "intellectualize" an action experience. I don't know.

>>14779567

My bad. Why is Turrican a misunderstanding of Contra.

>>14778910

A lot of European games at the time were made in collaboration with demoscene artists who created the style you're looking at. You might recognize it as well from cracktros as those were also scene. I used to do demoscene stuff back around that time although I was a PC coder and American. It was a blast.

>>14779584

Analog health bar and damage despite having lives, tons of collectibles, somehow they managed to mess up one of the most fundamental aspects of free scrolling by making the way to initiate scrolling too close to the edge of the screen. Turrican is full of all the classics. It has all these attempts to make a run 'n' gun more complicated without actually delivering anything meaningful along the way. And it has pretty yawn-inducing run 'n' gun action to top that off.

>>14779634

Yea, I figured that. In fact some of them are still active, jut not doing amiga stuff.

>>14779656

>Analog health bar and damage despite having lives

Some Contra games had that too in Japan

> tons of collectibles

Maybe they weren't going for the contra vibe. The MC can turn into a ball, that should give you some clue.

>making the way to initiate scrolling too close to the edge of the screen

Again, maybe isn't a shoot'n'run like contra.

>It has all these attempts to make a run 'n' gun more complicated without actually delivering anything meaningful along the way

Maybe it didn't try. Not every game has to be a game changer or advance the medium.

>And it has pretty yawn-inducing run 'n' gun action to top that off.

And that an opinion.

>>14779701

>maybe isn't a shoot'n'run like contra.

Then what is it? By what metric does this game deserve to be measured? Platformer? The platforming in Turrican runs the range from incredibly repetitive and uninteresting to rage-inducing. Rarely does it ever feel satisfying.

>>14779721

>runs the range from

Alternatives between, rather.

>>14779721

Maybe it's main focus is not platforming either. Come on, you're almost getting there.

>>14779739

You don't say? Is its focus to waste the player's time?

>>14779747

Maybe it's not even fully trying to be Contra, but rather a fusion of run 'n gun action and levels centered around exploration and finding secrets, much like the Apogee scrolling action games.

>>14779770

Problem is its exploration has nothing interesting. It's full of repetitive level elements and the reward for looking around is always ammo you don't need and 1ups that only exist to mask the terrible game design.

>>14779782

Don't forget that all of that increased the score and at the time scores had some meaning.

Signs you're playing a Eurogame:

The screen scrolls when you're almost all the way to the right

You collect a ton of items for no particular reason

There's a lot of beginner traps

It's based off some comic you never heard of

The characters have super thick lines

The enemy placement is totally fucked

The hitboxes are fucked

There's a loading screen

>>14779861

>at the time scores had some meaning.

Definitely not in Turrican though. The scoring in Turrican basically boils down to collecting all the stuff and destroying all the things, a trivial feat in a game with backtracking. The only real skill score in Turrican measures is the player's ability to not die due to its cheap ass level design and enemy placement. But all that aside, Turrican is far too long to be suited for score play.

To be perfectly fair though, very few run 'n' guns have ever had good scoring systems. Contra was broken with infinite peon milking for pretty much every game except Contra Rebirth. Elevator Action Returns has an annoying milking system where you blow the lights out and stand around punching enemies until your timer runs out. Most Metal Slug games invariably either have random point item bullshit, excessive milking, or debilitating bugs involving scoring.

>>14779906

The problem is that you are looking the game with modern glasses which is unfair. All this problems you say weren't at the time. Oh, and try to say to a boy that Turrican is too long for score play when he has Turrican and 1 or 2 more games. The good old days.

>>14779926

>The problem is that you are looking the game with modern glasses which is unfair

Not really, if there are other games existing in the same timeframe when it did the same thing but better. Saying "I was ignorant as a child and didn't play better games" is good for you as a kid, but it doesn't make the game better.

>>14779903

To be fair, most of those quirks are due to hardware limitations of the systems most Euros played games on (Spectrum etc).

>>14780102

Which games? I'm just saying that gaming has changed since then.

>>14779903

I forgot:

There's one or more parts of the game where it's luck whether you take a hit or not.

>>14780139

No it's:

-There's one or more parts of the game where you have to take a hit to move on.

>>14780117

Well, I'm not educated enough on period run n' gun shooters, but the other anon did mention Contra and such. It seems you're also comparing the game to Metroid, which is a losing battle for blatantly obvious reasons. Ultimately if a game has a similar system or mechanics (i.e. platforming, running n gunning) you will have to end up comparing that game with its contemporaries which did those things better, even if they aren't the "focus."

>>14778910

Looks worse than ass.

>>14780154

The first Metrid is overrated and actually has worst exploration than Turrican. And we have agreed that Turrican and Contra have different philosophies. That's my point really. To my knoledge there's no game like it at the time. Of course Mario did better the plataforming and Contra the shooting but Turrican is its own beast. And was praised as such (and for the graphics).

>>14780221

"Philosophy" doesn't matter. If you have game A and game B which both share a version of mechanics X, one good and one bad but it supplants other mechanics, all you have are a good focused game, and a game which may or may not be good despite the fact that it wastes your time with a shitty version of mechanics X.

>>14780242

Then Mario is a shitty run and gun because I can only throw fireballs. Or Contra is a shitty pltaformer. Hell, by that logic I can say Turrican absolutely obliterates Contra and Mario because its graphics and music (on the thechnical side) are light years from any nes game.

>>14780273

I mean, yeah, Mario is a terrible run n' gun game. Which is why nobody talks about it in those terms. I think what everyone is trying to figure out here is what you think Turrican does so right that no other game does.

>>14780329

Never said that Turrican is great, I'm only saying that is not a bad game. In fact it got better with the sequels and bested by other games afterwards. I've never seen someone comparing Turrican and Contra too.

>>14780221

>The first Metrid is overrated and actually has worst exploration than Turrican.

Sorry but that's just wrong. The exploration in Metroid is much more meaningful because the game is a) actually non-linear and b) is full of abilities to collect which actually change the gameplay up. Turrican in contrast is much more linear and most of its collectibles are just ammo, lives, and points.

>>14780395

> Hunt the breakable block is fun.

See why the comparison is fucking stupid? Metroid is making me lose time by not giving me the power ups loke in Contra or Turrican:^)

>>14780427

>See why the comparison is fucking stupid?

No?

when something good decline or disappear, the answer for that is the same: jews and leftists.

>>14782131

This is clearly something bad disappearing, and we should all be happy about it.

>>14782131

It astounds me how SJW's have fucking instantly made everybody forget how often the right acted like drooling authoritarian retards that thought video games were the devils's work and tried to censor and ban them as well.

Authoritarians with their head up their own ass are cancer, regardless of if they are far left SJWs or far right fundies/poltards