/v/ - Video Games

I hope every dev has a mice day

>>14771398

We need more mice adventures.

>>14771391

>pic

I don't understand.

>>14771288

BSP stands for "Binary Space Partitioning Tree" which is a data structure used to organize the geometry of a level into convex sections and allows for fast line-of-sight or collision detections, as well as depth sorting. This was especially useful because the depth buffer (Z-buffer) would not be necessary to draw the 3D world. Z-buffers take up megabytes of memory and slowed down software renderers a lot, so it was a huge rendering speed boost to be able to do this. The Z-buffer would still need to be written into, but it would only be used when drawing enemies, for example.

The BSP tree is also necessary to generate a data structure that is used for occlusion culling, the PVS, which stands for "Potentially visible set". The PVS is a table of precomputed visibility checks, between each convex section in the level. This allows for easy occlusion culling because it is all precomputed. You just check the PVS for your convex section and only consider polygons in that PVS. It was necessary to use the BSP compilation process to divide the level into convex sections and it was necessary to use the BSP to determine which convex sections are visible to each other. It is also necessary to use the BSP tree to determine which convex space you are currently in. The BSP can tell you if you are in solid space or non solid space which is why it is so great for collision detections.

This is how game engines from the late 90s-early 2000s worked, essentially.

>>14771300

I don't know how to use blender... maybe its a little silly but I wanted to create a new tool to beat my old one, with all the stuff I have learned since then. Nothing is stopping me from writing some kind of converter so that a 3D model file that blender exports could be compiled into a Sigma 2 BSP format... I just haven't done it.

>>14771428

Is it obsolete? Are the time savings inconsequential now?

also original owner of >>>/ideaguy/

>>14771444

Trips of truth.

Soon anon, normalfags will get the redpill on him and uncle Adolf.

>>14771569

<expanding consciouness.meme

>WW2 was a conflict between Good and Evil

>There were a lot of sides to the conflict and you can't say one was necessarily good or evil

>WW2 was a conflict between Good and Evil

>>14771435

Put in fetish options, so we can turn off the ones we don't like and shift the ones we do like into maximum overfap.

>>14771665

Specific fetish disabling is stupid, and so is trying to make a game that appeals to everyone. Each person will get only a fraction of the full game depending on their personal degenerate tastes and no one will enjoy it.

>>14771686

>>14771665

you have to offer some options, but not go overkill

for a lewd rpg you don't want to kill the atmosphere for someone but at the same time you want to offer some incentive to winning battle

Oh right, this page. I recommend reading it if you want to implement weighted RNG

http://www.keithschwarz.com/darts-dice-coins/

>>14771775

Now I want to see a puzzle game where you have to have her navigate a maze and solve puzzles, that'd be cute.

i'd feel bad to kill her by accident

>>14771793

>sculptris

>sculpting a model in sculptris and then rigging it

>sculptris

Just use blender or Zbrush holy shit.

Sculptris probably lets you export to .obj or some other commonly used format that blender will import.

>>14771798

Just curious since I haven't given it a go yet and wondered if anyone's tried. Made some stuff I like for fun and realized I might be able to use them. If not then I can just fuck around and remake it in Blender itself.

>>14771736

PEEP WELL, FUZZBALL

What's with the mouse thing?

What did I miss

>>14771433

>Is it obsolete?

Binary trees are tough on cache, also grafics cards are so fast now that spending a lot of CPU time doing fine grained culling doesn't make sense anymore.

>>14771736

PEEP WELL, FUZZBALL

>>14772583

Theme for June is going to be mice.

Anyone know if TextMeshPro allows for videos to be played on the GUI?

>>14773078

I know for a fact there's at least three separate anons on here that are way smarter than I am. There's one anon in particular that has experience with dual contouring, and he's the sole reason I'm as far along as I am.

Is it just me, or did /agdg/ slow down considerably these past few days? Is it due to Demo Day happening just recently?

>>14773836

Probably, my progress has certainly stalled post-demo day.

>>14773944

ever since I took over the project I'm working on now I've been going at the speed of light. The guy actually did an excellent job commenting everything in his code, even if some of it was hacky. Refactoring the particularly shitty bits was a breeze. Now if only I wasn't tripping up on this contouring shit I'd probably have a demo by now and be stalling right there with you

>>14773836

I think it happened after the previous demo day too.

>>14773836

I assume people got a little burnt out after working hard to make it in time for the demo and just need a little time to recharge their enthusiasm.

>>14774057

that makes perfect sense. i absolutely love how 8ch /agdg/ is 99% hard work and productivity. Hope it lasts as long as it can before being diluted by trash.

>>14773836

Partially burnt-out from demo day, partially convinced people aren't really interested in seeing my progress dumped all the time (got a bit much leading up to demo day I guess) so I'm just lurking for a bit.

>>14774136

I think you're wrong on that one, friend. I personally enjoy seeing any and all progress no matter what it is - it's just exciting to see people chase their dream.

>>14774806

I like it! It's adorable. Are you planning on coloring it in?

>>14774875

Well, yes. It's just an outline for what I'll draw on top of. There will be some text and such that appears on screen, "You did it!" or something like that, but that will just be done in engine.

>>14774908

What's your game called? Is there a wiki page? I'd like to take a look.

I just came back from my Programming I midterm. I was the third student to finish it. Feeling pretty good.

>>14775074

Congrats, how well do you think you've done?

>>14775090

I think I did great, actually.

>>14775199

Good job!

>>14775002

Erni's Iceberg. It's on the wiki- I'm just adding the link to the Demo Day build now.

>>14775398

There seems to only be a single screenshot on the wiki. Do you have any more?

>>14775416

There's an entire video here.

>>14775427

That looks cute! I especially like the fishing animation sequence, it looks very dynamic for something so simple.

>>14775002

but there... there's a demo

>>14742217

>>14775450

sorry, my brain's gutted right now I shoulda checked the demo thread

>>14775897

Or maybe it was diamond shaped colors? I can't remember

>>14776153

Just make your game in shell.

But really C# is shit, avoid it.

>>14776153

>>14776170

Oh fuck off, C# has just as much support as C++ now

>>14776292

Indian OOP-langs are bad, no matter how many platforms they can be run on.

>>14776292

>He legit thinks it's a matter of support

>>14776153

>most likely use UE4

Daily reminder UE4 is owned by the ricekikes of Tencent

>>14776356

in my honest opinion you can either be an ideologue or get shit done. Tencent will earn money no matter what you do, so you might as well make use of whatever useful comes out of their existence.

I'm not trying to shill for them, but the fact that you only need to pay 5% royalty, and only if you cross 3000$ dollar mark to me sounds like a really good deal.

I'm not here to argue stances or start anything, though, so you do you.

>>14776461

forgot the [i] in the example look through edge cells

too lazy to change it, polite sage

>>14776403

>>14776356

wtf I love using disagreement to dev now, fellow coders!

>>14776313

>>14776309

So its a bad language because people misuse it? Its a strictly better Java. Its performance is comparable C++. The loss from C to C++ is the same as loss from C++ to C#. This has been independently tested and verified. Other languages like Python or Lua are so obtusely slow that they are incapable of any sort of sophisticated games (talking 20-100x slower on a per algorithm basis)

If performance mattered (and it doesnt) you would be using C. Language choice will not impact the quality of the final product.

>>14776486

>Its a strictly better Java.

Not a strong argument for the language. Java was a mistake that unfortunately gained a good deal of momentum in education in the misguided OOP era. I agree, C# is a better version of what Java attempted. It's still a mistake.

>Language choice will not impact the quality of the final product.

Not true, in practice. Or really in theory. One of many implications of language choice: libraries, tools, and engines/frameworks available differ between languages.

>If performance mattered (and it doesnt)

Not true. For a good example, compare the capabilities of the last SimCity (clusterfuck) to the capabilities of older versions. The latest made extensive use of scripting and garbage collected languages. Making it a slow clusterfuck on modern hardware with a fraction of the simulation capabilities of older versions.

so C# is bad?

>>14776537

Both C++ and C# are bad unless you're making something that uses no processing power like a corridor shooter. Even something like Dwarf Fortress, which is fucking ascii art, lags hard. All the professional devs who use C++ ignore all the features it adds. Exceptions, templates, inheritance, etc.

>>14776461

Thanks, anon. This is good.

>what game?

I honestly didn't know whether to come out with it or not, but I guess the cat's out of the bag now It's an orphaned sandbox project that I got from an anon that couldn't handle a little bullying and decided to drop it and literally quit gamedev. The project's name prior to my takeover was "Sæglópur" but it's a mouthful, impossible to write without copy/paste and is already the name of an actual popular song so I don't know what the fuck his line of thought was there.

I thought about renaming it to "Candlelight" but that's already a game, so I think I'll wait until inspiration hits me for something else.

>what's the planned project that uses DC?

DC is going to be used for terrain and a lot of dynamic world object such as resources that you'll obtain in the world. the GDD deliberately avoids using inventories because apparently "perceived object persistence is very important", which I think I can get behind, it makes sense to try and build up immersion in a sandboxy game using that design principle.

>>14776486

Don't take me wrong, I do think that large corporations and everything related are cancerous but I also think that entirely avoiding using popular products out of principle is shooting yourself in the leg.

>>14776562

I'm a C++ coder. Can you tell me what I'm probably doing wrong?

>>14776568

>I'm a C++ coder. Can you tell me what I'm probably doing wrong?

If I had to hazard a guess. Using Malloc 1000s of times per frame without realizing it. Fucking up cache with polymorphism. Fucking up cache with tons of branching. Raping your compile time with templates. Using exceptions. Doing multiple inheritance.

>>14776593

Well I don't think I'm doing any of that so that makes me feel a little better about my code.

>>14776514

It matters but you can push to extremes on one side such as optimization with negative effects on maintainability, or extra programmer time that could've been used elsewhere. This is why Python sees strong use in the scientific community because it's much more important to be able to quickly write a program, that may only be used once.

>>14776609

The scientific community uses FORTRAN mostly, and if they use python it's not because of any efficiency reason, its that they are scientists and they don't know how to program computers beyond a language like python.

>>14776616

Is this actually a real thing? I always thought scientists of all people would have little trouble grasping something as logical as programming but I keep hearing folks say scientists are generally like Yandev-tier

>>14776607

Thanks, watching this now.

>>14776622

Yes, FORTRAN is still very widely used, most older scientists will have been writing it and don't see a reason to use something else. This is mostly because of a few reasons: FORTRAN is a lot faster than languages like C# and Python. That doesn't sound like a big deal since this isn't a realtime program until you realize that these programs are being run on supercomputers and you only get a certain amount of allotted computing power, which will then cost your company/university money. So maybe your research budget is tight and you don't want to waste money by running a slow Python program. Also, since these are being run on high performance computers, the ecosystem is very different and much more FORTRAN-friendly than say a the consumer PC ecosystem. Also, why rewrite code that isn't broken? There is nothing about Python, for example, that will make it any better- in fact, rewriting it would probably make it worse. For scientists programming is a means to an end.

It's not that scientists wouldn't have a problem learning how to write C or something, it's that they studied physics or chemistry or whatever and so they wouldn't know how to write C in the same way that, while a programmer isn't too stupid to understand how a chemical reaction works, he would still have to study for years to be able to do the same kind of work that a chemist does, even if he is smart enough to do that kind of work.

I've embedded the entire talk into this post, its a very good talk.

>>14776698

Luckily most of it is being done in FORTRAN which is really the best tool for the job in this case, the language is simple enough for scientists who aren't programmers to get good results out of, (no pointers, for example) yet it still has a pretty good level of performance, especially for scientific computing applications, since it has things like matrices and matrix multiplication as built in types and operations, and it has other language features in it that make it easier for scientists to get good mileage out of.

>>14776539

>look at Minecraft for example

yeah, the end user doesn't care what engine you use, or what language you use.

As long as the game is fun that's all that matters.

Also, the creator of minecraft made the most successful indie games in the world thus far, with java, and that's pretty amazing.

>OOP, which is a fundamentally bad paradigm.

agreed

>That shows that the speed loss between C++ and C# is much higher than C to C++ in these toy programs.

Negligible loss of speed for a lot of things, but performant heavy algorithms that are applicable to a SIMD algorithm should be written in say compute shaders, openCL, or if not then C++.

Otherwise, if it's more pragmatic/fun to write it in a higher level language, then do so.

It's all about being pragmatic when it comes to creating a game.

>Language choice does impact the quality of the product

I agree that it does impact the codebase's quality, but the only thing that matters here is how fun the game is.

Although, I sincerely doubt you're here to just like make game; as anyone who has been doing this long enough knows elitism is a naive outlook, and is pretty cringe worthy.

It's about being pragmatic, and just like makin' a game.

>>14776785

I just read your previous posts, and realized it was ika I was respond to kek

>I sincerely doubt you're here to just like make game

i was right here, as he's admitted in previous threads.

>>14776785

>>14776819

Minecraft is popular, but it could have been a lot better without using a garbage collected language like Java. It's very easy to write a voxel engine that beats minecraft: as a game it succeeds but the architecture is very poor compared to what other people have done. I don't think its negligible to compare C# to other languages, you will feel the speed loss in a nontrival game that is pushing your computer hardware.

Despite it taking me longer, I have finished games before and I will finish my current project… so what's your point? I've only said that it's not my focus to complete the games as fast as possible, and that my engines are about as important to me as the games. If we are now comparing our characters together, and not just our ideas, then what games have you completed, if you've been "doing this long enough"?

>>14776879

>as a game it succeeds

that's all that matters

>I don't think its negligible to compare C# to other languages, you will feel the speed loss in a nontrival game that is pushing your computer hardware.

Humm, you still don't understand my point here, and with all the threads we've had in the past where I've explain this in simple ways; I'm starting to arrive at the conclusion that you never will.

>that is pushing your computer hardware.

Do you have a game planned that will push your computer hardware?

>so what's your point

My point, is that you have a different outlook/perspective, and different goals.

That's good and well, and I applaud your efforts; though you need to understand that with these different outlooks comes different goals.

Someone such as yourself wants to make everything themselves, and thus results in a large investment of time to even get to the same level of tools compared to someone I would call "pragmatic".

The pragmatic person would have that investment of time instantly mitigated the moment they download say UE4, godot, unity, or just about any engine made by experienced teams out there; while having more competent, and fully featured tools at that.

During the time you spend making everything yourself, it's already finished for the pragmatic user, and also they get constant updates, bugfixes, and more; by teams of people with massive pools of experience.

However, as mentioned, there's different goals here, and different perspectives.

For one it's a pragmatic compromise to "just like make game", and for the other it ruins the fun; which is good and well, you do you, but I will do what is pragmatic for me as to achieve my goal.

>I've only said that it's not my focus to complete the games as fast as possible

The content of your posts has in itself stated the opposite, and from your time spent making your "games" (tech demos) compared to the time spent making the engine; it's plainly obvious which is more important.

You're doing it because you enjoy making the engine, then showing the capabilities of the engine, which is awesome, but you need to understand that not everyone has the same focus; or is happy with that monumental amount of effort resulting in a simple game.

>dox yourself

no thanks, I prefer anonymity.

>>14777013

In this post your argument has almost entirely shifted to one about me, instead of the actual points I am making about C#. Maybe this is a little harsh, but I think that the claims you are making are no longer even relevant to the topic of the argument, and are instead putting words in my mouth based on what I do. This is maybe the difference between 8chan and reddit: the point of being anonymous is so that people only respond to each others actual arguments, instead of going into their reddit profile, reading their post history, and then responding to that. When you do this, you're kind of ruining the point.

You're missing the point I am trying to make about Minecraft- it could be a better game, if it could run faster and with higher draw distances. Instead it can't really handle high draw distances and eats up RAM, which really makes it play very badly, especially on a lower-end computer. Whats the use of a good game with bad technology if I can't play it because of that bad technology?

Your point about premade engines have nothing to do with C#, or our previous discussion- it's just a post about me. I never said to anyone that they should do exactly what I am doing: so why are you responding to me as if I did? I already understand this and I don't know why you keep inventing this strawman about me.

>no thanks, I prefer anonymity.

I'm the most confused about this: if you like anonymity, then why did you use my username? (which I don't ever use on this website) Also, isn't the point of these threads to talk about video games you are developing? If you refuse to do that, then it's a little strange. If you are going to make someone not-anonymous to attack their credibility when talking about things, but will not identify yourself, then that is a little hypocritical.

>>14775285

You'd make a 2d square on the screen and project it towards the 3d screen, doing some frustum check to see what units are inside the volume.

>>14775372

> looks like some alien brain or something

You got yourself an extra boss design, well done.

>>14776486

>>14776539

So how does C# and Java compare performance-wise?

>>14777189

<player fights a set of boss fights that are increasingly better versions of the algorithm

<they fight to improve it

get meta with it.

Do you guys know if /agdg/ has a mascot?

>>14777224

FUND IT

>>14777232

gotta make it first bro :^)

>>14777092

>actual points I am making about C#

Well, your points make sense, and it's true what you say about C#/java to a certain extent.

Though I was formalizing the philosophy behind another perspective, so you can understand the other perspective.

To one, "its a bad language" due to X/Y, and to another it's a good language due to Z/W. The same can be said about any language.

>In this post your argument has almost entirely shifted to one about me

I used your philosophy as an example, as it's readily available, as to compare it to the accepted "just like make game" philosophy of /agdg/; it's less about you as a person, and more about your apparent philosophy for development (purely an idea context).

This comparison of philosophy frames the idea that the performance loss of C#, or similar languages; being a negligible compromise for one party, and a dire non-compromisable issue to the other.

Also, it demonstrates what is of value (the goal) to one party, and what is valued to the other party.

Hence, different philosophies, and different value structures; thus different values are attributed to said languages.

I suppose our philosophies are so different that we keep missing eachother's points.

>Your point about premade engines have nothing to do with C#, or our previous discussion

Again, a necessary point to compare philosophies, and to further provide context.

>it could be a better game, if it could run faster and with higher draw distances

Agreed.

The point I'm making, is that despite that, it still succeeded, and it was still fun.

The goal there was to make a game, and to just get it done. It ended up in something fun, but as you stated had room for improvement. In the end however, that was a smart compromise to make, as the success + fun of said game is inarguable; despite any qualms about its performance.

>I never said to anyone that they should do exactly what I am doing

Humm, ok, I'll take your word for that.

Though I took it as you implying your way was the only "right way"; which was absurd to me.

>especially on a lower-end computer.

That's pretty absurd. You have to have a garbage worthy pc to not be able to run minecraft at an acceptable framerate.

Even in alpha years ago with my shitty pc I could run it great.

>Also, isn't the point of these threads to talk about video games you are developing

You asked me for game's I've completed (this has the implication of it being publicly released with my IRL identity attached) as stated here >>14776879 and by doing so I'd be doxing myself.

>then why did you use my username?

You don't value anonymity enough I guess, and have exposed yourself in the past. sounds like a personal problem

>>14777243

guys if you're going to have a shitflinging contest could you at least cut down on the meme spacing?

>>14777243

The idea of comparing philosophies is not only tangential to the topic, but it's a literal strawman and the entire tactic of the argument is to move the discussion away from actual discussion of the language itself and towards vague subjective ideas where nobody can be right or wrong. If you don't want to talk about the merits of the language, just say so.

The argument was that:

>Language choice will not impact the quality of the final product.

<Language choice does impact the quality of the product

>Agreed.

And so it ends here. You are moving the goalposts away from the discussion of the programming language so that you can act correct.

Minecraft runs like shit and requires over 4GB of RAM to play it well. In Alpha it probably had less performance problems than it it does in 2018 with all of the new updates and features.

Also, I am not the one with an anonymity problem: you are literally treating this website like reddit. I care enough about anonymity to not fill out the name field and to not try and dig up someone's identity to help me argue against them. If you want to post on a website where everyone has a username, and everyone has a posting history that you can use to try and derail arguments by bringing up, then please, just use reddit.

>>14777284

Those are paragraphs, anon.

>>14777390

Paragraphs are generally longer than a couple sentences, anon. That there's a prime example of meme spacing that ends up taking twice the space on the page it'd take up otherwise. C'mon now.

>>14776562

>Exceptions

Exceptions are to be avoided if you care about performance. Proper use of exceptions is a performance hit. Improper use is common and performance-destroying.

>templates

The only people using templates should be people making libraries. Things have gotten much better wrt compile time. However, using them in application code is still a red flag. You are probably doing something wrong.

>inheritance

Use sparingly. If you are writing skeleton classes or pure virtual classes and inheriting everything you are, unequivocally, using OOP and inheritance incorrectly. Also, the deeper the virtual function call chain, the more performance hit you take. OOP does in fact incur a performance hit.

>>14777401

harrumph.

>>14777480

How was what he said a "no true scotsman" fallacy?

>>14776486

>If performance mattered (and it doesnt) you would be using C

>implying that I don't use C

>>14776609

>but you can push to extremes on one side such as optimization with negative effects on maintainabilit

OOP gets out of hand way faster than performance based code.

>>14776539

>Language choice does impact the quality of the product, look at Minecraft for example

If we're going there then look at Minetest. It's made in C and runs like total shit compared to Minecraft. Programmer skill makes a much bigger difference than language choice.

>>14778146

I still remember Minetest being pushed as an alternative to Minecraft around these parts

>>14778054

OOP has it's uses but you never want to go full crazy with it, and for serious gamedev you should be doing data driven anyway.

>>14778146

Only the very base of Minetest is C, most of it is Lua. Hence why it runs like shit.

>>14778209

He has abandoned you, anon. There is no hope.

>oop is fundamentally bad

This is why I hate talking to other programmers. Everyone's so fucking autistically dogmatic that every discussion turns to shit just based on the premise of the discussion.

>>14778323

Nah dude, not everyone's crazy. OOP's main lesson is in encapsulation to avoid messes, but overdoing it turns into coding bureaucracy. I see these things more like schools of thought: you learn from each what's useful and apply a mix according to your needs.

oop is trying to codify programming habits, but stuff really doesnt work that way does it? it more depends on what the project needs not how well columns are aligned in source code

thats perhaps useful if you are starting out or like to organize things efficiently but once you really dive in, other things matter more

do prefer beautiful source code over spahgetti but thats personal discipline

>>14778146

>>14778191

>It's mostly Lua

That language seriously is a meme once you learn that everything barring primitives is a hashmap that is extended via linked-list.

>>14778421

Maybe they shouldn't be such fucking autists about it.

>>14778453

You're asking anons not to be autistic, friend. That's never gonna happen and that's part of the charm of browsing imageboards.

>>14778461

This applies to programmers in general from my experience. It's really hard to discuss anything when people go

>oop is fundamentally bad

>all interpreted languages are bad

>never optimize from the start

Etc etc

>>14778466

imo instead of trying to get people around you to change the best way to deal with it is just filter out the garbage and perceive intent instead of the format.

>>14771686

There should be some very obvious ones that you can enable or disable. MGQ lets you turn of Vore and Guro for example.

>>14777480

You are the one who opted out: I am just pointing that out to you. Projecting that onto me for not going along with it means nothing.

This is not misinterpretation: it is called staying on the original point. If you don't want to argue the original point, just say so.

It's not that I wouldn't talk about philosophy in another context: it's that I wont talk about it when your goal in a discussion is not to talk about the specific topic, but to move the topic into a space where nobody is wrong.

It's not a "no true scotsman", I don't understand that at all. I'm just pointing out that when you argue like this, you don't want to uphold what makes this site different from reddit.

>>14778146

Minetest is written in C++, not C, and like other anons pointed out it's mostly written in Lua. It's really not hard to do better than minecraft's rendering engine.

>>14778472

Like this fucking nigger.

>>14778595

>>14778567

imo if you both keep acting the way you're acting this thread will derail into a massive holywar, and I sincerely hope it doesn't. OOP has it's uses. It also has it's downsides. No single approach is perfect for everything. You guys are fighting over nothing, really.

>>14778602

You said the same exact things I said in the posts he sperged out over:

>>14778421

>>14778472

>>14778595

>hurrrr everyone who isn't a dogmatic DOD nigger is a sysadmin oop shill

>>14778602

You're not wrong, I'm out.

>>14778560

I'm sure minecraft worldgen sucks but that video is unfair. Minecraft generates a volume with added algorithms for caves and biomes. The showcase looks just like surface extruded with perlin noise.

>>14778679

Minecraft's worldgen is actually nice. It looks and feels really good considering the scale of the tiles they're working with. At least it did back when I played in Beta.

>>14778679

No It's fair. The PC minecraft version had aditional block data and subid-bullshit which probably slowed it down. They just searched for the most unefficient way possible.

See blockscape with it's gazillion of different blocks with different shapes.

I was planning on making a JRPG or metroidvania on Unity. How hard do you guys think it would be to create a game like that on Unity?

>>14778695

It's shit when you compare it to something like dwarf fortress which has a similar thing going but geographically make sense.

>>14778695

Was talking speed, not results.

>>14778704

Fair enough. I do wonder how much of minecraft's slowness was Java and how much was dev retardation.

>>14778679

The video is about loading, not worldgen. All that matters is how fast it loads 512x512x256 voxels, not what is in those voxels.

>>14778714

Both of those things are more likely to be hampered by your ability to make content for them than by the implementation difficulty of those ideas in Unity. Which basically means, if you're decent at making games it should be no problem, and if you're not decent at making games yet you're better off becoming decent at it by making simpler things first.

>>14778734

>slowness was Java and how much was dev retardation.

It's both, really.

I'm still sad blockscape had to end up like this.

It was supposed to be a photorealistic game.

His entire community hates him now, including me of course.

Maybe we should do a /v/ plays Rising World evening?

>>14778734

Oh, I see. Understood.

>>14778737

>The video is about loading, not worldgen. All that matters is how fast it loads 512x512x256 voxels, not what is in those voxels.

Oh I see, I got it wrong. But is the showcase 256 vertical? It looked pretty short to me, unless the XY is really large, in which case Minecraft is a fucking joke.

>>14778753

Looks (looked?) pretty.

>>14778679

here it is with biomes, still loading faster than minecraft. This isn't a world generation comparison but a chunk loading comparison, minecraft's world is already generated in the test. According to the guy who made it the difference is even higher with larger chunks and on a better computer.

>>14778782

Looked.

>>14778782

>But is the showcase 256 vertical? It looked pretty short to me, unless the XY is really large, in which case Minecraft is a fucking joke.

No idea if the guy's world is 256 voxels tall but I would assume so for fairness' sake. MC has 256 high worlds since they upped the height limit in version 1.2, because people wanted to build taller towers.

>>14778788

It's honestly cool that they overcame the horrible limitations MC always had, but I can't understand how they think following a fad this many years too late is a good idea.

>>14778911

Is that Shakira?

MS OneNote is great for what you want. I'm unaware of others, unless you want some cloud bullshit.

>>14778912

Limitations like what? Also, fads aren't necessarily fads if you think you can do better.

>>14771736

PEEP WELL, FUZZBALL

>>14778920

Apparently it is, Though I didn't know that because I was just looking for pictures of people in front of a computer.

Also, thank you. This was precisely what I was looking for. I spent some time looking for alternatives but none of them allowed for drawing inside the program, only attaching an image at best. Pretty weird nobody else seems to think drawing feature is useful.

>>14779173

Not anymore with .Net Core. Even then, for games specifically, there's FNA which works perfectly fine.

>>14778978

>Limitations like what?

like chunk loading, obviously.

>fads aren't necessarily fads if you think you can do better.

Can't imagine a minecraft derivation having much success at this point.

>>14779132

Ya beat the boss!

>>14779263

I know, right? I recently looked up some extension of VS that allows you to embed images in comments. Multimedia support is vital IMO. I'd like to see some kind of OneNote-styled thing that pops up in VS so that you can be free to document everything about your code, from comments to doodles to links. It could be a very good thing for collaborative work, or open sourcing.

>>14779336

Thumbnail looks like glitched-out wireframe, lol.

Is emacs worth it or is it just a meme.

>>14779832

Probably just a meme. Use notepad++, notepadqq or something graphical if you are using a graphical environment.

>>14779745

>Can't imagine a minecraft derivative having much success at this point

I think it still can, but only if it's not a sandbox or survival game; those genres are a bit over-saturated at the moment. I'm sure a FPS-RTS game in the same vein as the Empires mod for hl2 could probably work with destructible environments like Minecraft. I guess it would just be Ace of Spades with base building and resource gathering, but still.

>>14779832

It's good if you hate touching your mouse. Otherwise no.

>>14779905

That's a completely different game you're talking about.

>>14778560

>it is called staying on the original point

>original point

Here's the post with my original point ( >>14776785 ) which was in response to your post >>14776539

>Language choice does impact the quality of the product

>I agree that it does impact the codebase's quality, but the only thing that matters here is how fun the game is.

Your other points were already settled in that post.

>This is not misinterpretation

Apparently it is, as we have different interpretations for what point the discussion evolved from.

Lets be real here, this is getting a bit tiresome, and as far as I can see it your points are settled.

Furthermore, why are you pushing that they're not, what points are not settled?

I'd prefer to not waste anymore time on this, but, feel free to clarify the above.

>to move the topic into a space where nobody is wrong.

Well, that's factually incorrect.

Someone can full well be wrong to one person, and right to another; to agree to disagree is one example of this.

>>14780023

Why did you cite me? I said nothing on the subject. What's the difference between the logos?

>>14780068

Infini one incorporates the infinity symbol and looks like dogshit. And those tans prob got posted like once and never again.

>>14780083

actual 8 /agdg/ doesn't seem to use it, nor can I find it in the wikidot.

btw is it Just Like Make Game or Like Just Make Game?

>>14780110

Just Like Make Game

>>14779952

I don't want to continue arguing either: so we can stop now. I don't think I could say any more beyond repeating myself. Looking at it now I think I get your point, but the way you made it bothered me a lot.

>>14780110

Juli stke maga keme

>>14780023

I'm using a stylized four color diamond as an Easter egg.

>mascot

Wasn't Motavio a mascot at some point back when we had recap Mondays?

>>14771736

PEEP WELL, FUZZBALL

>>14780254

Both Motavio and recap mondays are cuckchan-only things, anon.

Sage for blogposting

Jesus fucking Christ, I am amateur as fuck and only had experience with GameMaker. Always saw some anons triggered as fuck by that program, due to it being handholding and babbies first approach to programming.

So after some time on GM, I wanted to try a different project in C#, thought "Sure it will be different, but it can't be that hard".

So now I feel like I've been just a poser and I am wasting my time in GM and not really learning proper programming due to it being so accessible, but starting from 0 in C# is demoralizing.

>>14780215

Agreed anon, and honestly my bad about using your username/post history I feel like an ass for doing so.

>>14780367

Just wait until you make some decent progress and find out later that you've been making bad decisions all the way. Decisions that make further progress a complete slog or prevent you from doing what you want to do entirely, the kinds that don't become obvious until hours upon hours of time has been spent.

Then it's time to either unfuck the entire edifice or set it aside and start fresh. You'll probably have many pieces here and there that you can reuse, at least.

>>14780367

Don't worry about that kind of stuff too much- everyone had to start somewhere. I remember that the first programming I did was on this thing called "scratch" where you drag and drop blocks to write code. You just have to worry about learning, so maybe if you look back at your GM code after doing a little C# you will realize how much better you have become.

>>14780413

And i'm sorry about being so mean in my posts, you were being really nice but it just made me upset, so I probably shouldn't have written them in that way, especially when you wrote them in a very nice way.

I'm okay with people calling me by my username, I just wanted to mention that since you talked about anonymity. I kind of like it

>>14780023

>there are people here who don't remember when we made aggy-tan

Yeah, and then we immediately forgot it because of how hideous they were

>>14780909

That's cute, but I strongly object. It's too strongly associated with a specific user.

>>14780922

I suppose that's true, yeah, and I can't argue with those digits.

I would try to whip something up, but I'm not really good at just normal drawing. Might try a 3d model, it could be good practice.

>>14780909

Never make your mascot a living person.

At a dilemma figuring out vector math.

Since not every game object will require velocity, I want to figure out a way to attach a velocity vector to the object without declaring a vector variable (obviously this will waste memory).

My idea is to use a reference to the object in the vector and change the object based on what the vector's values are ex:

>VelocityVector(GameObject o)

>void update()

>object.setPos(object.x + vectorX, object.y + vectorY)

Does this seem like a reasonable approach?

>>14780909

Yeah no.

>>14781254

>(obviously this will waste memory)

What's the use case though? Are you making millions of instantiated objects and that's why you don't want to waste memory? Or are you just making some base object class? That seems like it would work but you won't ever be able to "save" and have a different velocity vector for each object. There are too many questions unanswered for us to help you. Whats the use case?

>>14778330

OOP was taught to students almost to the exclusion of other valid paradigms.

So now the students ask, "how do I write a class to do this task?" when faced with a new programming task. It's my main problem with OOP. It has it's place, but it is overused because so many people do not have knowledge of any other methods.

>>14781254

If you are working with less than 10,000 objects just store a vector with your object.

If you are working with more, you shouldn't be thinking in terms of objects. You should be using arrays of positions and velocities and using SIMD math instructions.

>>14781412

Keep in mind the EC is pretty SJW from what I've gathered.

>>14781437

The entirety of EC is a fucking joke, hence the file name.

>>14781521

I've only ever watched a single video where they were being SJW as fuck and haven't watched anything of theirs since. I'm not sure if there's anything of merit in there so I'm just saying what i know.

>>14780367

I started programming in Actionscript 2 back when I did flash crap as a young teen. Self taught, so I barely knew some basic stuff. Then I decided to try my hand at mobile development. It took me like two days to even figure out how to install and set up the IDE and SDK for Blackberry. Then I opened a sample file to see what the whole deal was with Java. First line I saw was something like this:

thing thing = new thing();

And I just freaked the fuck out.

>>14781310

Since I'm autisticly against hard-coding, most of my object data is loaded in from JSON files. So like you mentioned I am just using one base object class and a few variants (entity, physics, etc).

>>14781353

Calculating how much a 2F vector would add per object, I realize that I was really micromanaging memory (not that that's a bad thing, just redundant in this case).

>>14781353

>10,000 objects

Surely you mean 16,384 objects, since 10,000 is just an arbitrary human number. (In fact I'd say 65,536, personally)

>>14781540

Oh I was agreeing with you there. There is nothing of value to be gained from listening to them.

>>14780367

I found that Wiremod for garrysmod helped me learn programming concepts pretty well, since I learn primarily through hands-on approaches and the expression2 (I don't know what it's called now, it's been years) gate chip allowed for exactly that.

>>14781573

I don't like discarding the valuable bits of info that someone has to offer simply based on their ideology but EC is like next-level cuck-tier. It's something else.

>>14780338

8ch didn't exist 6-7 years ago, anon.

>>14781412

Considering Extra Credits never talks about programming, I was curios. I went and found the video.

The EC video is talking about the problems that come from making most or all design decisions based on player metrics. They use examples like what guns are popular in an FPS or what teams are popular in a sports game.

The problems they give with this is you get clones and stagnation when it's data making the decisions for how the game should be designed and not the developers.

They aren't talking about what low level programming decisions games programmers should make.

>>14781588

To complicate things further, Data-Driven Design can refer to either the subject of that EC video or Orx/Autodesk Stingray-style engines which emphasize config files over scripting languages.

I'm trying to come up with a design for my player, and I'm aiming for a fantasy/jrpg-ish look. Does anyone have some recommendations for clothing/armor designs I can look at for some inspiration?

>>14771736

Peep well, fuzzball.

>>14781706

I honestly wouldn't know how performance is between the two file types.

Desu for me performance isn't a major concern since I use data buffers between objects of the same type, so data only has to be loaded once.

>>14781656

/tg/ is legitimately a great source for that kind of stuff.

>>14781706

Yeah, "Data-Driven Game Design" is specifically referring to the way a game is designed and balanced. "Data Oriented Design" is explicitly referring to how the game's code operates.

So, I went to a local University that has a Game Design course to see their degree show.

Wow.

Not even kidding when I tell you that only ONE project actually had any kind of design, thought and code put into it. This guy made an FPS character controller that uses procedural animations created with code. Amazing shit.

Every other project were a bunch of assets randomly thrown together to make a map that used either Blueprints or the default Unreal controller to move around (very poorly). Every. Single. Project.

Of course there was the obligatory walking sim too. Except I think they knew how bad it was so to make it seem more interesting instead of a keyboard you used a typewriter to control it.

I came out of it legitimately mad

>>14783005

Why are you mad? That's to be expected. Out of all those students there was only one who gave a fuck, just like in any Uni theres only a fraction of people who care, the others are in it for a hollow degree.

>>14783018

Only one student out of so many that gave a fuck is not right honestly. I see what you're saying but even then it shouldn't be just one.

>>14783027

People who give a fuck about game design don't need universities to learn gamedev. All the resources are out there already.

>>14781588

>directly linking to Extra Credits

Please don't do this.

>>14783005

>>14783027

Most students are talentless hacks with unwarranted egos, to be fair. Not just in game design degrees, but especially there. Most of them will never amount to anything.

My graduation class held a talk about their projects recently and the amount of stuff that looked worthwhile was also only a handful. The truth is that people who aim high are just far and few between. And you usually don't find out about them until after they've made a name for themselves.

>>14783053

There was more to it than that

Anybody know how I can get a point of intersection of three infinite planes defined by a point and a normal? My brain won't spit out the answer, the fucker.

>>14783053

>>14783044

Just like with anything, the main way to learn an art is to consume a metric shitton of it and try to understand what makes it good. Except shit like animation or graphic art, you need academic courses to be properly good at those.

>>14783070

Agreed, although I'd even argue animation and graphic art you can learn on your own. There's enough tutorials and reference material online that you can teach yourself these days. That's how it was for me, at least.

>>14783044

>directly linking

>hooktube

You can't be serious, anon.

>>14783086

I would second this, attending uni is not necessary if you put in the work on your own.

>>14783070

I'm not sure consuming tons of the associated medium is the right recipie in all cases, becoming really good at something really depends on how you are as a person. I have friends and colleagues who as they consume more and more games/media they get hampered in their thinking, they were way more creative before they "overconsumed".

>>14783086

As someone who taught themselves animation, and still learning proper art - it's not that simple. You can learn "informal" art, shit that looks passable because you know what looks good. But then there's technically good art: academic art, academically taught traditional animation, etc. You'd be incredibly hard-pressed to teach yourself all the concepts that go into these things. I'm a massive poorfag and it's painful for me to say, but a good art university is nigh irreplaceable in a graphic artist's career.

>>14783100

The difference, I believe, is analysis. They're not looking for the bits that matter, and a result the sheer abundance of content serves to desensitize you, instead.

>>14783070

Shouldn't you use the points and normals to get the 3 equations and solve the system?

>>14783098

Oh, I didn't see it said hooktube. My mistake. Still, why you'd ever want to watch an Extra Credits video is beyond me.

>>14783100

Depending on what you're making it's definitely important. It's about building a pool of things you can draw ideas and influences from.

>>14783109

>>14783119

For sure, I'm just saying it depends on how you are as a person, there's no "one size fits all" when it comes to design.

>>14783109

I've taught myself art and pixel art animation and have gotten paid for it. I spent the last 3 years at a vocational college studying graphic design and I'd be lying if I said it didn't help me improve leaps and bounds. However, the single most helpful thing was life/gesture drawing, which I didn't do on my own before. Looking back, I could've easily done that myself if I had the willpower to force a routine on myself instead of going to class for it. Most other things they teach you like design rules are all available online and most likely less outdated.

It can help speed up the process but it's definitely not mandatory if you know what to do. Getting critique is also easy if you just make artist friends who can give you a second opinion.

>>14783070

Can't you get the point and normal from the collision data?

>>14783182

I'm sorry, what collision data? I'm not following.

>>14783187

If you give the three planes a collider then you can get point and normal of their collisions

Or are you enginedevving?

>>14783070

Go here: http://geomalgorithms.com/a05-_intersect-1.html

>>14783070

I am not sure I understand your question, because 3 planes no not necessarily need to have a point of intersection. What do you need to find?

>>14783197

Excellent! Thank you.

>>14783200

>>14783192

I'm trying to find a faster alternative to QEF vertex approximation for my dual contouring implementation. I thought treating 4 initial intersections as planes and getting the three possible intersection points that I later would get the mean of, would produce a suitable alternative.

cant say what it is or else ill just get shut down, but ive got a remake that ive had in the works for years of a popular game thats gonna change the way that you think. ill drop a download link here soon.

>>14783136

I wouldn't trust someone who hasn't heard of Tolkien to make a good fantasy game, or someone who hasn't seen a single western movie to make a western game. I think there's no way around consuming media to build up a base that you can build your project on, but you do have to be knowledgeable enough to filter the good from the bad.

I have the hunch someone who spends too much time playing games/watching movies instead of creating is probably trying to avoid work or not thinking about it hard enough, rather than becoming less creative because they takes in too much stuff.

>>14783136

>Seeing academic artists pump out beautiful things makes me feel incredibly insecure and envious of both their commitment and ability to practice for prolonged periods of time to achieve the academic standard.

That's because they're forced to practice. You can't really walk out of gesture drawing class with the excuse "I'll do it later". Practice time is now, every day for 3 years mother fucker.

If you want to spring for a cheaper alternative, look for art clubs. I hear they ask a few bucks per member and hire models do to gesture poses. That alone will help a ton if you do it regularly. Also, just pick up a sketchbook and go out in public and draw random people passing by. People are the hardest thing to learn how to draw because they're so complex, but there's also so many of them that it should be easy to get into a routine of drawing them.

>>14783218

>or someone who hasn't seen a single western movie to make a western game

🤔

>>14783218

Fug, second part was meant for >>14783166

>>14783218

>I wouldn't trust someone who hasn't been tainted by the standard elves orks dwarves fantasy meme to make a good fantasy game

Yeah, imagine if we got something original for a change. That'd be terrible.

>>14783226

Before getting something original it would be nice to just get something good

>>14783226

The reason why everything is elves, orks and dwarves fantasy is because that's the surface level shit every dev copies. None of them read the books but watched the LOTR movies at most. Or copied other devs. The industry is a game of telephone if you haven't noticed already.

>>14783221

I'm not lazy, I'm just very intimidated by art. It's the one thing that to me is the hardest, and that is why I've not yet committed to daily drawing. I plan on changing that up soon enough, it's literally on my schedule.

>>14783244

I really hate elves and orks. I do love dwarves though, they're silly, charming and endearing in the same way that spooky skeletons are.

>>14783244

Reading Tolkien isn't going to make you not copy shit magically, putting in effort into your worldbuilding will. If anything, reading it will make you ore likely to copy his shit anyway, because it's just plain good. But then you'll still wind up with just slightly better than average generic fantasy races.

>None of them read the books but watched the LOTR movies at most

People have been ripping Tolkien off well before those movie were made.

>>14783254

I know, I was the same. It doesn't get easier by avoiding it. Like anything you dread, you have to get into a routine first, at some point you stop thinking about it.

>I really hate elves and orks. I do love dwarves though

There's nothing wrong with any of them as long as the reason for their existence in a story is grounded. Again, most devs just copy them because they're known and have worked before.

>>14783269

>Reading Tolkien isn't going to make you not copy shit magically

And I never said that you shouldn't. As a creator you will be copying all your life, you're just putting together combinations of things that haven't been tried before. Aside from drug induced surrealisism like Morrowind or Hylics, few people will come up with something truly "original".

>reading it will make you ore likely to copy his shit anyway, because it's just plain good.

That's what I'm saying. Copy the stuff that's actually well thought out and use it as foundation instead of a watered down version of it, or something that looks cool but in reality is shallow. I'm not even saying to read his books so you can copy those exact fantasy races better, but just to see how the man did his world building if you decide to set out and make a fantasy game. You can make your game about fishpeople or lizardpeople or birdpeople for all I care, but you should be aware of what defines the genre you're going for and what makes it appealing to people.

>>14781412

For a simple example, you could take a look at http://sci.tuomastonteri.fi/programming/sse/example2

>>14781568

10,000 is just a number chosen as an order of magnitude estimate.

I always recommend Sony's SIMD math library, as it's header-only and quite fast.

https://github.com/erwincoumans/sce_vectormath

Conceptually is fashionable to think of everything as on object and write functions that operate on individual objects. However, this is not the way to do it when you start dealing with very large number of objects. It's probably the slowest way. Organizing the data that changes per-frame into arrays and operating on the entire array at once, without loops (parallelized mathematics hardware instructions) is the way to go.

For an interesting exercise and an easy introduction to this type of thinking, take a look at the Eigen library.

>>14783712

>4d vectors

Can someone enlighten me on the utility of 4d vectors in gamedev?

>>14783736

By extending a 3D vector to 4D with the last member being set to one (for position) or zero (for normal), the vector can be be translated by a matrix.

Literally every 3D renderer does this.

>>14783770

Shit I really need to learn linear algebra.

>>14783736

Quaternions.

>>14783770

Storing an extra value that can be factored in at use is just a waste.

>>14784117

Looks like you're set for a shitty minecraft derivation. :^)

Please tell me it's not that

>>14784141

It's not a Minecraft derivation, but it is a sandbox game. I was skeptical at first, too but I warmed up to the idea - I feel like I can do it justice.

Maybe we'll have more than a single good "cursed runes" game out there. I promise I won't add stupid shit for no reason

>>14784117

But are those Muslemans praying towards Mecca?

>>14784198

I'm stupid and I'm not getting the joke, anon. Explain?

>>14784204

Those black blobs are so orderly aligned and shaped that the thumbnail gives the illusion of a host of veiled people praying.

>>14784208

Oh, I see it!

>>14784141

>anything with block/voxel-based terrain is a minecraft clone

When will this shit meme end?

>>14784265

I mean a LOT of games in recent years with these features have been exactly that.

>>14784159

I choose to believe in you, anon. Best of luck!

>>14784363

Thanks, anon!

>>14783736

It allows you to use linear transformations. The wikipedia article explains it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformation_matrix

Using n+1 dimensions allows linear transformation in n+1 space of non-linear transformations in n space (4D space transformations used to represent 3D space non-linear transformations). Short story: do it because it's cleaner and faster. Every 3D math library does this.

I've got most of this sorted in my renderer. My problem now is the graphics driver DLL crashes after about 3-4 hours of continuous running. It's almost certainly in my GL draw calls somewhere, but isolating it has turned out to be difficult. NVidia's and AMD's opengl debuggers haven't been all that helpful so far… Kind of feel a little over my head. Lots to learn still.

>>14771736

PEEP WELL, FUZZBALL

>>14783736

In addition to what the other anons explained, it's a SIMD library. In case you don't know what that is, your CPU's bandwith is actually 4 times wider than you'd think and it has operations that can do math to a full-width simd-float as if it's 4 separate ones. So the most basic reason for using 4D vectors in this case, i because it's 3 times faster than doing 3D vectors the normal way.

As a bonus, there's a SIMD operation for reciprocal square roots that's extremely fast as in, using it and calculating the square root with it is faster than just doing the square root itself, in return for being a bit less accurate. Considering how square roots tend to b rather integral to a lot of vector math and how slow they are, this function is used a lot.

>>14784838

Interesting. So now I have this Sony vector libraries and EA's STL to consider when I start with the serious devving. Any other high performance C++ libraries I should know about?

>>14784853

>Any other high performance C++ libraries I should know about?

Boost :^)

>>14784920

Your compiler's optimization already applies SIMD to some degree in certain cases, you generally only have to do it manually for extremely performance critical things like ray/path tracing on the CPU. Using it for something as often used as a math library just makes sense since it's so integral to everything you do in games, but there's no need to make your own for that.

>>14784920

I doubt any game in this thread would benefit significantly from explicitly implementing SIMD instructions.

>>14784961

Oh! That sounds good, then. Speaking of performance improvements, considering that I'm past the proof of concept for my voxel/DC stuff, do any of you guys have handy documentation for a proper, efficient implementation of sparse voxel octrees? My personal difficulties with them start at the navigation stage. Should I be storing an array of pointers to them as a catalogue to easily access nodes? Is there some secret method to traversing them? I'm confused and nervous because recursion is that one thing that I'm never confident about.

>>14784970

Hey, the less I have to worry about the better. I just hope I won't end up with a pajeet-tier stutter during chunk loading like most other games in this genre.

>>14784970

This. Considering how many devs are just starting with programming, the bad performance will be caused by stupid design mistakes or silly algorithms, and no SIMD magic in the world will fix that. Stop procrastinating with microoptimization and make your fucking game first.

>>14784976

>I just hope I won't end up with a pajeet-tier stutter during chunk loading like most other games in this genre.

That's a pretty significant challenge honestly, at least if you're also aiming for really low system requirements. Have you looked at stb_voxel? It's mostly rendering but it's good to have a look at for how to structure data etc.

>>14784978

Indeed.

>>14785006

I have not. Should I? Is it easily readable? I'm like, retarded and I can hardly learn from documentation let alone other people's code. Not trying to get spoonfed, that's just kinda the way my stupid brain works - I learn best by talking to people who know their shit.

>>14785029

It's 4K LoC so just based on that I wouldn't call it easy to read. Most stb stuff is pretty good though, so it might be worth taking a quick look at least.

>>14785053

thank you, anon. I hope I can understand it.

>>14783770

>4D vectors

Isn't that just quaternions?

>>14785117

tried the green haired waifu and is as hard as ever

>>14785029

It's really pretty easy to follow. Actually everything that guy writes is pretty good and useful. Take a look. I use his image loader and a few other things. I actually enjoy learning new techniques through reading and exploring other people's code though.

>>14787393

That jap has great stuff on his wiki

What's the plan with the SS boolean?

Bcs it looks like it's purely a shader effect… so i hope you don't mind if that collider is totally unaffected, and that it's purely visual.

>>14787503

>wiki

i meant his github

>>14787609

>sell it for an asset store

>being a jew

>>14787618

How else will I be able to fund an upgrade on my hardware to begin working on a game of my own? don't tell me to go make a patreon or kikestarter, what's the problem with making some money from creating content?

>>14787635

Excellent job, anon! It looks nice. What's the game, what's the generation method? Is it a heightmap? Looks like one.

>>14787635

Oh shit anon I want to do some mountain guerrilla!

>>14785588

A nD vector is simply a vector with N dimensions.

A quaternion is specifically a number that consists out of a real component and the three imaginary components: i, j and k.

You can store a quaternion in a 4D vector variable and some of the vector operations can be meaningfully applied, but that doesn't mean they are the same thing. A multiplication between vectors and a multiplication between quaternions are very different, whilst addition is the same.

>>14787662

>>14787652

That reminds me, I have yet to play around with this thing, sadly is no longer available but I still have it on my library.

http://raiselandsoft.com/

>>14787676

Just like, roll your own, anon.

>>14787708

How's the efficiency? Is it gonna set my PC on fire?

>>14787759

I'm assuming u load it once and done, right?

How big/detailed (can u go up close, etc) is the map though, for a 25s load time?

How much time does it take when doubling map size?

Interesting approach, and I recognize u from awhile ago; so good job on finishing it.

>>14787858

>1100x1300

like unity units?

Not too shabby if so.

If that's about double then it's about linear complexity, nice

Hey guys, what are the benefits of declaring a C++ function inline? Are there any drawbacks? I'm declaring most of my data structures in a single "types.h" files and I wonder if it's gonna bite me in the ass if I declare relevant functions (like octree navigation ones) inline in there, too.

>>14788024

Re-importing models with many animations after every single change in the .blend file is a pain in the ass so if this were to help with that, it might be very useful.

>>14788020

The ostensible benefits are improved performance due to not having to deal with the overhead of function calls and control transfer. This comes with the tradeoff of larger executables, since each inline function's code appears multiple times in full (as opposed to regular non-inline functions that appear once and are jumped to).

This is dependent on whether your compiler decides to actually honor the inline keyword. It's a suggestion to the optimizer, not a binding contract. Any regular function can be inlined and any inline function can be run with function calls, regardless of your keywords.

Explicit inlining is something you should avoid doing until you're at the point where you've done basically everything codewise to make it as efficient as possible, but still need it to be a bit faster. Don't bother with compiler optimizations like this till much later.

>>14787609

Oh hey, it's the xeno vore guy from that Agony thread.

>>14788020

Why ask questions that are easily answered by a search engine here?

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1759300/when-should-i-write-the-keyword-inline-for-a-function-method/1759575#1759575

>>14788129

Because I like talking to people who know their shit and asking a real person questions instead of depressingly crawling through Google, alone. I'm sorry though, I won't do it anymore.

>>14788147

Nothing is gained by being so fragile, anon.

>>14788193

Fragile how?

>>14788147

>>14788193

oh shit I see. I wasn't being passive aggressive, although i see now it looks like I was. I'm genuinely sorry for asking trivial questions and I was just explaining why I did.

>>14788127

I didn't see your post at first, sorry anon. Thanks for explaining it, I was under the impression it was something done for brevity of header-only libraries.

>>14789108

whoa this is fucking awesome.

>>14789326

wouldn't this absolutely murder framerate, even if it doesn't change shading?

>>14787958

Actually, that's pixels. The map itself is 300x300 unity units. It scales the maps to match the size of the terrain.

>>14789917

offtopic but does anyone know why Japs still censor porn? I thought they didn't have to do that anymore.

>>14790153

The law hasn't changed in that regard.

>>14790170

I must be misremembering. I recalled hearing about the law being repealed.

>>14771736

PEEP WELL, FUZZBALL

>>14790195

So much brilliant porn that could be coming out of Japan is being ruined by mosaics/lines, fucking thing sucks. Hope this gets figured out sometime down the line.

>>14790225

If it ever gets overturned, you'll probably see an UNCENSORED 1440p HD REMASTERED LEGACY COLLECTION SUPER ULTIMAX TURBO EDITION DX EXTREME, rerelease for every H property that made more than a few bucks since the 90s.

>>14790281

Vertex normals are usually in model space. So typically you will transform them into world space by passing in a transform matrix (which is derived from your object's orientation in world space).

unifrom mat3 NormalMatrix;

in vec3 vert_normal;

…

vec3 n = normalize( NormalMatrix * vert_normal );

Sorry I'm not more helpful with Unity though. I looked through your pastebin code and it looks like Unity is doing some of the work behind the scenes. Not sure what and how, and what transform matrices you have available from Unity at the vertex and fragment stages of the shader.

>>14790611

Oh, also, n = vertex normal in world space, if that wasn't clear. It's sent to the fragment shader using:

out vec3 n;

>>14790611

unity takes my shader code and compiles again with their stuff to do magic behind the scenes.

It knows when I add the bumpmap, sampler and use it to take the normalmap and do the transformation automagically. The issue is, I have no idea how they do it, and it will only happen if I do it exactly how the unity devs want, and not when taking the normal map from my atlas

can anyone experienced with Godot and Timers tell me what I'm doing wrong here? I can confirm this timer is not counting down for some reason and thus the callback function is never called. I've followed the documentation I could find so I'm not sure what I'm missing. This is Godot 3 with C# by the way.

t = new Timer();
		t.ProcessMode = Timer.TimerProcessMode.Idle;
		t.SetOneShot(true);
		t.SetWaitTime(2.0f);
		t.Connect("timeout", this, "_on_timer_timeout");
		t.SetPaused(false);
		t.Start();

>>14790865

Timer derives from Node, so it won't do anything unless it's added to the scene (ie add_child(t))

>>14791263

good point, I hadn't thought of that

>>14787708

>The terrain has a float[,] array for the heightmap, and a float[,,] array for the textures.

Is that by your design or Unity's?

C# has a notorious compiler bug where it optimizes the most common array case (single dimension T[]) instead of multi arrays (T[,] or T[,,]). You should prefer jagged arrays (T[][]) or single arrays where possible.

>>14791470

That's Unity's design.

https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/TerrainData.SetAlphamaps.html

https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/TerrainData.SetHeights.html

>>14790823

That's frustrating.

Are you sure your planar objects have correct vertex normals, and they are normalized? I suppose if it works otherwise then they probably do. That's usually what I check first. It's very strange that Unity wouldn't be passing in vertex normals correctly.

I also assume you tried assigning your normal map from your atlas to the diffuse texture to visually see if it is being applied correctly. Sometimes that's helpful.

>>14771736

PEEP WELL, FUZZBALL.

>>14789108

>>14789326

>>14789702

Oh shit, I remember a guy used similar techniques a few years back to do some complete bullshit with raytracing meshless geometry with infinite bounces in real time. He combined distance functions with raymarching and subspace diffusion to determine when to stop drawing extra reflections. It's great to see that those techniques are advancing, since they run great on older systems.

Vid related (very old unrefined proof of concept).

How would you make "minecraft with spheres"? Is there some kind of data structure or method to handle modifiable spheres, without making it all jagged when you rotate it 45 degrees, or without making the "blocks" shrink as you go deeper?

>>14792757

Define minecraft with spheres.