/v/ - Video Games

>>14697493

Tell us how, anon.

Superstar Saga/Bowser's inside Story on the artstyle alone

I'm looking forward to see how Atlus will fuck up Catherine Fullbody.

>>14697499

>>14697512

And part 2.

>>14697505

The problem is art style is a huge part of the nostalgia, and they ALWAYS fucking ruin it with remasters. Just release the fucking game, just as it was, just make it playable on whatever console you are releasing the remaster on.

With Fable Anniversary they actually built the remaster on Unreal Engine 4… Like come the fuck on, the original Fable: TLC was its own unique engine, it was not perfect but it was fucking good and unique.

>>14697499

Short version is they fucked the games artistically through dumb decisions and incompetence, it was also a technical disaster.

>>14697485

>Remasters that deathraped their original source material

How about:

ALL OF THEM?

>>14697520

Seems to be the case. Was the Halo: Combat Evolved remaster not alright? They at least included the option for the original visuals, right?

>>14697530

>Was the Halo: Combat Evolved remaster not alright?

<Answer

>They at least included the option for the original visuals, right?

Yes, but's not the full game. They axed some of the maps in the multiplayer for God knows why.

>>14697539

>baffling design decision taken which massively detracts from the game for no gain

I honestly think devs and publishers are just sadistic bastards at this point. Or maybe these great older games make them really insecure and full of anger because it makes their modern games look so shit and they can't make any gamers love their games like they do the old classics.

These people aren't retarded, mostly, they must know they're ruining these games through these hatchet job remasters.

>>14697499

i never played SH2/SH3 enough to tell you the mechanical in-game differences between the originals/"remasters" but I can tell you for free that the remasters looked like complete and utter ass. the fog was fucked, the textures were fucked, it made everything look too "clean" when if you ask me a lot of SH's aesthetic strength comes from everything looking dirty, scuzzy and stained. i think i remember reading that the PS3 didn't have the same GPU architecture that they used to such great effect on the PS2 and as a result basically had to code new fog effects from scratch, but that still doesn't explain why they thought "high definition" meant "frame the lighting in weird ways and make the game look jarring and stupid instead of foggy and dirty"

>>14697525

>I actually wanted to give that a try. How did it fucked them?

Original PC versions work fine with some adjustments, SPECIALLY SH3 which looks fucking phenomenal.

>>14697530

SPv3 > Halo Anniversary

I haven't played the remake, but from the looks of it, it seems vastly inferior to the original.

>>14697520

Mario All-Stars is pretty good.

>>14697870

This. Also, despite the zoomed in view being annoying, and wind being missing from the SMB2 worlds that originally had it, Super Mario Bros. Deluxe is maybe still my favorite version of the original two games, if only because of all the extra content it added. Hell, SMB2 was on there as extra content, when it was sold as just being SMB1 but portable. Then you have Red Coins, Yoshi Eggs, Boo races, and a bunch of extra little challenges. The Super Mario Advance games are obviously made as successors, but they never had the sheer amount of extra content added to them. Then you got New Super Mario Bros. being the continuation of the Advance games, and they somehow became even lazier. But SMBDX seemed to actually have a lot of effort put in for a remake.

>>14697944

It shows up all the time in N64 era Rare games.

>>14697944

I mean, if it was on a paper object in an office and Stacy from accounting printed it and it had comic sans, it's probably fine?

>>14697512

Thanks for posting anon. I never got the shitty remakes and had no idea just how bad it was.

There's a big different between remasters and remakes. Remaster implies you're only tweaking the original, while remake implies you're rebuilding it from the ground up.

Either way, few examples are better than Mega Man: Powered Up and Maverick Hunter X.

TMNT: Turtles in Time Re-shelled has to be given a shoutout.

>Music replaced with shit

>Technodrome missing, even though it wasn't in the original arcade version either

>>14697520

I'm trying to think of ones that were good and all I can come up with is DMC and Starcraft. Though Starcraft had some initial lag issues that pissed off competitive players and required patches.

>>14697802

Also, the remaster they put out is missing all the extra stuff like Duke Caribean, Nulear Winter and Duke It Out in DC. They could have easily included.

>>14697855

It's literally the same game with modern assets and less clunky controls.

It's nothing special anf unecessary, but it doesn't rape the original.

>>14698969

what happened with the strange journey remake?

>>14697750

Not a remaster, but a sequel with a lot of questionable design ideas and that woeful gap between screens. I'd consider it the worst of the 4 Yoshi's Island titles (Yoshi's Story being it's own thing and lackluster in delivery, at that)

>>14698969

what's so bad about Radiant Historia 3DS? I know the bonus chapter was unnecessary to the plot of the game.

>>14699081

Worse artstyle and some new demon designs being shit like Demeter and Zeus. In addition to that they made the new law and chaos endings more happier than the original plus Alex being Lucifer's daughter that came back from the future to kill you because apparently the original LNC endings would doom humanity.

>>14699238

The new chapter ruined the perfect original ending since they tell you to go help Atlus remake girl #5 during it. Worse artstyle with the superior original one being sold as DLC, in fact there are some story content locked behind DLC as well.

>>14697533

That image will forever make me mad.

Different art style != different design.

Remasters look worse because they are part of a plan to erase the past. The same goes for shitty reboots.

>>14698833

this so much. i've been forcing myself to finish it, but honestly, its just been disappointing. watching the npc's talk in the forced dialogue has been painful.

i did enjoy the telopathopus segment for brains.

>>14699607

Accounting is actually a shitty job because it requires actual intellect and logic, not to mention a degree of economic and legal acumen but it pays a lot less compared to (((marketing))) jobs.

sage because blogposting.

The reason why remasters suck is because they're almost never done by the original dev. They have the passion and care for their own game so they won't miss a detail (at least, not often). When the devs do it, it's usually called a enhanced port.

>>14700124

They need to just emulate older games. Remasters/reboots are a fucking plague and a cancer, and the worst part is the existence of remasters/reboots actively hinder the chances of older classics being brought onto current platforms for fear of them harming sales.

All MS, Nintendo and Sony need to do is manufacture old consoles on a smaller scale for nostalgia heads, then release the games for them in a digital library and the profit!

It's not going to break the bank, but it's a nice little side project for people just sick and tired of current era games.

>>14700329

And pushed feminism with the wonder boy GIRL. Also, made by a french that is the spit image of a purple haired soyboy leftist.

And the art was way worse than the beautiful original.

>>14697520

Because that would be wrong? Neptunia Re;birth for example is overall improved.

>>14697802

Did anything actually get removed from Bazinga edition or was it just added garbage?

>>14697944

Some of the OpenBSD talks use Comic Sans as the font, because apparently it's really easy to read, despite the stigma. They also used it as the font for LibreSSL's homepage to attract donations to remove it (and it worked).

>>14697525

Super Mario 64 DS is the definitive version for non-autist/speedrunners. Get a thumb stylus.

>>14699178

I thought it was better than New Island.

>>14700407

>Did anything actually get removed from Bazinga edition or was it just added garbage?

They removed all the expansion packs, but added an anemic new episode where everyone involved was basically phoning it in.

>>14700421

The thumb stylus things were fucking shit and I can't even imagine what sort of moron it would take to consider it an acceptable substitute for a control stick.

>>14700463

You must be a soycuck manlet. Mario 64 DS and the thumb stylus are good.

>>14700407

The OpenBSD guys are autists, though. The wrong kind of autists, the Chris-Chan kind of autist. They get a pass from you guys because you don't know enough to call them out on it.

Like how LibreSSL is this horrific mess of bloaty garbage with deliberate embrace & extend attempts which is why many distros still refuse to package it. They've glued a bunch of separate libraries into it to try to prevent anyone porting software away from it and allowing LibreSSL and OpenSSL to exist on the same box without fighting. The best ACME client can't be packaged for this reason, because they've (deliberately) tangled it up with a formerly unrelated and entirely unnecessary TLS parsing library which was glued into LibreSSL. On top of that, almost none of the fixes from recent OpenSSL are in LibreSSL so you have to deal with the archaic and unsafe function definition hacks that were previously all over that library that folks spent a huge amount of effort porting software away from. Porting LibreSSL-using software to a common subset of OpenSSL or GNUTLS's bindings takes a large amount of work for those reasons, and they'll refuse to accept it even in their "portable" repository dumpsters as they don't actually give a shit about security, they're just using this as a wedge.

>>14700763

Considering the loooong list of utter nonsense within OpenSSL (http://opensslrampage.org enumerates lots of these) and the fact that they are responsible for OpenSSH among other things, I'm taking that with significant salt. Also the lead dev is hilarious, more than Linus and Terry.

Fan remakes sometimes are just in their own league of shittyness.

>>14700463

There's an emulator only hack that allows you to use a stick

>>14700830

There's also this one

>>14699178

The worst thing about Yoshi's Island DS was the art style, it removed the crayon feeling of the original and looked too crisp, clean and generic.

>>14700813

>Considering the loooong list of utter nonsense within OpenSSL

LibreSSL is an old version of OpenSSL, it's the same clusterfuck just with more posturing, LARP, and bad intentions. Anyone with any sense switched to GnuTLS decades ago. Seriously, go look at some of the code of those two and come back and try to tell me how much higher quality LibreSSL is. It has the same fundamental licensing problem as OpenSSL, too. The one everyone pretends isn't there and will eventually be leveraged by someone similar to Novell or UNISYS (oh but we could never have seen it coming!).

>the fact that they are responsible for OpenSSH

They didn't create ssh nor did they even create OpenSSH. They forked a clone and renamed it. Then they prevented anyone patching out their fucking moronic ideas on security they added on top of it, like the decades-long fight to get them to accept patches to prevent everyone just rming known_hosts to get around their "security" feature and to allow local confirmation for forwarded authentication agent connections. They'd just autistically screech these bear traps they'd set were luser error. They're one of the few communities that would routinely call their users lusers to the point it risked getting into the documentation.

>Also the lead dev is hilarious, more than Linus and Terry.

Great defense of them not being the wrong kind of autists.

>>14700314

/thread

There are exceptions to this, but they are rare (the only one I can think of is Bluehole Games remasters).

>>14697525

>Fable anniversary is literally a texture mod really badly done, to the point sometimes you can actually see the original models behind the textures or the old textures load before the new ones.

So could someone theoretically mod Fable Anniversary and remove all the added textures?

>>14701063

I just want to play the Fable: TLC Xbox version with a controller, man. Fable Anniversary is the Xbox version of TLC, but with the shitty new textures that are an eyesore.

>>14701063

>>14697525

so they got the old textures loading and then the new ones on top? No wonder its so shit loading multiple assets on top of each other, who the fuck did they get to program that? Even bethesda can do better.

>>14701367

I think so. I know there is a ton of clipping in the vast majority of the world where your characters feet are under the ground, this wasn't prevalent in the original game, as far as I can recall!

They got Lionhead to do it, Lionhead is now defunct. They'd been on life support since Fable III and the abject failure of Fable Legends along with the pleb tier attempt at a remaster that was Fable Anniversary wore MS patience too thin.

>>14697485

Why not just name the thread 'Remasters' OP?

You'd be saying the same thing.

>>14701406

I'm aware it's fairly redundant, but I thought I would emphasize the point.

>ITT people bitch about the 1 or two things a remaster screwed up and ignore the 99% of it that is actually fine

Very few remakes/remastters are acttually bad. I've played

>SM64 DS

>Nightmare in Dreamland

>Halo 1 and 2 anniversary

>OOT3d

>MM3d

And minus one or two nitpicks they were all visually fine.

>>14697525

SM64DS is generally visually entirely superior to the original game. The models have a higher polycount and match Mario's art style and visual design way more then the original game did, which looked shit due to being such an early 3d title.

Pretty much the only visual thing I'd say people have an arguement for is that Bomb-omb battlefield iis a little too yellow, and scuttlebugs have an entirely different design for some reason

>>14697530

>>14697767

>>14697545

>>14697751

Halo CEA is mostly fine. The envoirments actually match CE's original concept art moreso then the origiinal game did: in the artbook for CE bungie said that how the original halo looked isn'tt really what they wanted to go for visually and they had to scale back on a lot of the detail in geometry and envoirments, and that 2's visuals is closer to their original intent. CEA's assets are mostly borrowed from reach, but said assets are closer to 2's looks then CE.

Generally speaking, the Reach assets work fine and help make the game's visuals more consistent with the lore, but in some cases t doesn't fit or make sense: The Marines in CE have an entirely different design from the Halo Reach Army Troopers, so the reuse of their model doesn't make sense, same for a few of the weapons. Notably, the 343 guilty spark level has it's atmosphere in the swamp not be as goood, since it's overly bright and not as spooky.

But for the most part it's fine, and if you are that autistic about it you can just swiitch the old graphics on.

>>14697515

I have to ask, how do you makes these hooktube embeds different from the typical ones?

>>14698672

Zelda OoT 3D comes to mind, I'd say MM 3D also but I haven't completed that version to judge fairly.

>>14698672

>gameplay is improved by having less rigid swinging physics

>new levels, bosses

>an assload of really tough challenge levels that have you constantly improve yourself

>sick music by Simon Viklund of Payday fame

>>14704614

>>14701532

MM 3D fucked up by redesigning the bosses

all of them have an eye which acts as a critical point, but they look retarded

If they didn't touch that, the remake would have been perfect.

>>14701532

>The models have a higher polycount

Fun fact: Mario's model actually has less polygons than he did in the N64 original and looks superior except for the square hands, that's how important a good use of your poly budget is.