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How far is Tails Get Trolled? Last I saw it was just past the Rob fight

>>14589626

can you be not a nigger and just post a pdf

>>14589657

>pozzed defense force

lossless png is still king for a reason nigger

>>14589665

<pdf is lossy

Are you retarded?

>>14589665

He probably meant cbr, which is just an archive for PNG

>>14589666

i never implied pdf wasnt loseless, you can't edit them

And besides that, the specification behind them has too much gender politics to recommend using in good faith. A zip of png is far better.

>>>/tech/

>>14589675

<the specification behind them has too much gender politics to recommend using in good faith

That's fucking stupid and dvi exists.

>>14589719

Probably same thing that happened with Sonic Boom, no more game sequels and they just gave the TV show more leeway.

>>14589752

>>14589682

Where does his penis come from all of a sudden?

>>14589836

You know when you're fat, and the fat cushion covers your peepee and then you see your peepee when you get hard? Like that, but with fur.

>>14590086

20 years from now I'll look at that image and tears will come to my eyes. appreciate what makes this place special, as time goes by people won't look upon it as fondly and you will be the one who can assert otherwise

>>14590286

I fucking hate how right you are. Seeing this place in the state it's in now depresses me. It was a shot hole before but at least the hotpockets was kept to a minimum.

>>14592034

DO IT

>>14589719

>>14589749

Why would you think it's anything complicated? Setting it after the most recent game is the simplest solution. They can just slot in the games as they come out, now. Unlike the Archie comics which just went and did their own thing, which ended up becoming completely disconnected from the games, with an entirely different world and cast of characters.

If they're smart about this, what they'll do is, since games are announced a year or more before release, use that time to wrap up their current arc and do a lead in to whatever the next game is. This would work for Sega as marketing, but it would also work for IDW in that it would ride the other advertising and attention that the games get. Plus, since the games have so little story now, it's not even like they'll box in the story of the comics much. They'd still have a lot of leeway.

>>14589836

>>14591271

Chris Chan actually has a few pages of Sonichu where he explains Electric Hedgehog genitals. Presumably it's pretty similar here. Needless to say it's an autistically complicated system of hidden flaps and folds, for both males and females.

>>14591167

This is the same team that was doing the Archie comics before they were cancelled. As much as I shit on that series, the reason it had problems was because of ridiculously unrelated shit introduced by previous writers. The current writer, Ian Flynn, was too autistic to just write out the old stuff entirely, and just tried to slowly make it better, while sliding everything to be more and more like the games over time. But it was still built upon a foundation of shit. Here they're starting with a foundation of just the games, so they're in a much better position. I wouldn't be surprised if Flynn does bring in stuff from the cartoons that became the focus of the Archie comic (like the Freedom Fighters) but they won't have such a horrible history dragging them down.

Now the problem is if IDW starts getting other writers on the series. Their Transformers started with Simon Furman, the guy who created everything good in Transformers except for the very earliest characters, starting his own universe from scratch for the first time. Then they started letting other people write stuff in that universe as well, and comics being comics, the people hired were SJWs and before you knew it we had Trannyformers: Homos in Disguise.

Flynn may well be an SJW, I have no clue to his politics, but he's also mega autistic for Sonic, he got the job because Archie saw his fan comics online. His autism seems like his top priority. Yardley, the artist, is apparently an SJW, but he can at least draw Sonic well, and probably won't have many opportunities to slip politics in, unless he purposely starts drawing all women as fat trannies like Marvel does. But he hasn't done that for the last decade so I doubt it.

>>14591838

>what you posted isn't it.

Just wait 20 years. It will be.

>>14594108

>muh game plot

The story of the games have been aids for 18 years now

>>14594154

>18 years

>Sonic Shuffle was the only Sonic game released in 2000

Really hated Void that much, huh?

Or are you still complaining about Adventure, even though that plot was being built up since Sonic 2? Keep sucking that (((localization))) dick, goyim.

>>14592240

Continue. Remember to spoiler so one of the gay mods doesn't throw a shitfit.

>>14594163

>localization

Keep sucking SoJ's revisionist history

>>14592034

S T O P

>>14594190

>goy

>implying SoJ's kikery hasn't done its best to scrub all the American direction the first two games got so SEGA could actually have a mascot that appealed to anyone

>pretending Sonic was and is nothing in Japan

>all praise the SoJ canon that was added long after the original games, no see his name was always eggman, that means it was ALL planned before hand

>we gotta defend all the shit lore SoJ put into the series, because it came from japan and is thus both superior and more authentic desu

You are only making me hate the terminal aids SA brought even more. Namely faggots like you

>>14594204

The American canon was always worse and even Sonic's American design was arguably only different because the first artist they hired fucked up and misunderstood the reference he got. Not that it was significantly different in most practices, but still.

SoJ is certainly full of retards, and was back then as well. But their fuckery with things like Sonic X-Treme doesn't change the fact that they made the original games with a particular thing in mind, and the other shit was just a bunch of jews localizing it. In almost all cases this localization didn't actually even utilize the things American audiences identified with Sonic, like The Freedom Fighters, it just fucked up translation of the manuals so that it was much harder to recognize continuing plot threads, like the aforementioned Chaos arc. Though even then there were still little references here and there that slipped past.

None of this is to say that that story was particularly important or anything, but it certainly had a lot of unexplored potential that fell by the wayside in favor of Star Wars knockoffs and World of Krypton knockoffs that no publisher who was paying attention would publish. And then we end up with people acting like Sonic Adventure changed things, when it was the culmination of an arc going on since the earliest games.

>>14594233

>original games with a particular thing in mind

Oh, I'm sure they did, but you see pretty much everything that made Sonic interesting was suggested by SoA, because while SoA was mostly kikes they knew how to sell a game, unlike SoJ which had been struggling everywhere except arcades for a decade prior. SoA was so much better at selling shit it dishonored SoJ's employees so much they eviscerated the company and left it the shell that it is today.

Also none of what you are arguing defends the shit the lore became. Even if SoJ's magical lore was originally good on its own once upon a time, that doesn't make the shit they did come up with after SoA's defeat good, or worthy of putting into a comic.

Setting Sonic on earth in modern times is retarded, no matter fucking what. That's my main problem with it, and always will be.

>>14594284

>>14594248

MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS MODS

>>14594266

What made Sonic good was its gameplay, music, and graphics. You know, the games. The games that weren't made by the people who made the American story.

If we're gonna talk about the actual quality of both stories, I'll take the one that's a ripoff of Dragon Ball Z, rather than the one that was too retarded to even properly adapt key elements of the games, like the Chaos Emeralds. Plus, having things like long form storytelling is fun, so long as it doesn't become so integral that you can't enjoy the new installments without already being really into it. The only time I'd really say that happened was Shadow the Hedgehog, which is a spinoff anyway. Every other game's story works well enough alone, but you get a bit more out of it if you understand the story of those that game before it.

The only people hating on setting the games on Earth are too autistic to understand the hundreds of other cartoons that do it. It only becomes stupid when you try to explain it, like the Archie comics did, instead of just accepting the fact that it's a fucking cartoon.

>>14589836

It's magic. No one knows how it works exactly.

>>14594284

>>14594290

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH

>>14594284

>(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

So, did full storytime of this ever happen?

>>14594331

>spoiler

pussy

>>14594303

Didn't I hear Sega say something about Sonic and his friends existing in a different world than ours? Didn't they say that there was an "Animal World" and a "Human World" where Eggman came from?

>>14594303

>What made Sonic good was its gameplay, music, and graphics. You know, the games. The games that weren't made by the people who made the American story.

Now you're changing the topic from the story to the gameplay. I never said what made the GAMES good. I said what SOLD the games. There were plenty of good games on Sega's consoles that sold like shit because SoJ were dumbasses or handed the marketing to dumbasses

Also, the games got a lot of their direction from SoA. The games were designed with SoJ's complicity for the American market. You're basically taking SoJ's side post civil war in scrubbing all of SoA's involvement in Sonic's success, which is laughable since Sonic became a failure when SoA was removed from the equation.

>I'll take the one that's a ripoff of Dragon Ball Z, rather than the one that was too retarded to even properly adapt key elements of the games, like the Chaos Emeralds.

I'm not pretending that the lore in either the comics or Sonic SatAM was perfect. You are glossing over the problems of the nip lore quite a bit here though. Ripoff of DBZ? In regards to the Chaos Emeralds, sure, in regards to everything else? Laughably, no.

>Plus, having things like long form storytelling is fun, so long as it doesn't become so integral that you can't enjoy the new installments without already being really into it. The only time I'd really say that happened was Shadow the Hedgehog, which is a spinoff anyway. Every other game's story works well enough alone, but you get a bit more out of it if you understand the story of those that game before it.

You just aren't getting it. SoJ's lore is both retarded and boring. The setting is shit and the characters are shit. The localization of the earlier games isn't even the question here, because there was not much in game plot to begin with. SA is an example of where SoJ's monopoly over Sonic lore went. It was a retarded mishmash of shit.

>The only people hating on setting the games on Earth are too autistic to understand the hundreds of other cartoons that do it. It only becomes stupid when you try to explain it, like the Archie comics did, instead of just accepting the fact that it's a fucking cartoon.

No, you nigger, it isn't just retarded trying to explain it, it is retarded period. Archie only had to try and explain it because SoJ's insistence, in fact a lot of Archie comics retardation came from SoJ's insistence about certain things (though not all, since they did keep it from becoming pozzed to hell.)

You know the "lore" of Mario games is pretty retarded, but its a lot less jarring since it takes place in made up places like the Mushroom Kingdom. Setting Sonic on earth in modern times is just amazingly retarded, and the only reason I think you defend it so much is because you got into sonic with the Dreamcast, or you're a hyper autist that accepts anything Sonic as long as it comes blessed and glazed with SoJ's jizz

>SoJ's lore is both retarded and boring. The setting is shit and the characters are shit.

I strongly disagree. See Sonic Adventure for good exploration of the characters. Gamma is an obvious highlight, Tails and Amy both get strong character arcs, and Knuckles's backstory, already pretty deep from the manuals, is explored more fully. Then Sonic is Goku and Big is Big.

Say what you will about Shadow and Gerald, but I certainly wouldn't say it's boring. Gets a bit away from what the story was about before, and I get how introducing things like governments and politics might be a bit retarded, but the previous game provided a bit of a transition for that to make it less jarring, and there's a lot to tie it in to the previous Chaos arc and make it mesh more fully, especially with more story heavy games like Sonic Battle and Shadow the Hedgehog.

Ultimately it's a matter of taste, but the actual games end up having deeper lore than the comics, only they don't get even close to being as retarded. But I know it would be a low blow to bring up how ridiculous the comics got, I don't mean to imply you're defending them.

>it is retarded period

This is like saying that Mickey Mouse is stupid because Pluto and Goofy are both dogs but one is anthropomorphic and the other isn't, or because Donald doesn't wear pants but Mickey and Goofy do. It's a cartoon. Chill out.

>Archie only had to try and explain it because SoJ's insistence,

I'm pretty sure you're thinking of how they had to shoehorn in an Adventure plot because of Sega's insistence. I'd like to see your source on Sega actually telling them to explain Sonic being a cartoon, when the games never bothered to do anything like that, because the games just treated it like normal. I'm also doubly sure Sega never advised them to give the incredibly retarded explanation Archie ended up publishing.

>You know the "lore" of Mario games is pretty retarded, but its a lot less jarring since it takes place in made up places like the Mushroom Kingdom.

Mario simply doesn't focus on story as much, and doesn't give a shit about contradicting previous things. Mario goes out of its way to not have a story.

>Setting Sonic on earth in modern times is just amazingly retarded

It's very clearly a very fictionalized and cartoon version of Earth, made up of fictional countries with an entirely different map. Again, it's no more the real world than Dragon Ball's world is. And again, nobody has to go out of their way to explain why there are some anthropomorphic animals interacting with Goku sometimes.

>the only reason I think you defend it so much is because you got into sonic with the Dreamcast, or you're a hyper autist that accepts anything Sonic as long as it comes blessed and glazed with SoJ's jizz

No, I was very much into it with the Genesis, and liked SatAM when it was on, but I did love the Dreamcast games when they came out, and later when I realized that the games actually had more complex stories like that all along, but that they were removed from the versions we got here, I was interested to learn about those and get the full picture.

I like the Japanese story more because it's more cohesive, fits better with what's actually seen in the games, and there's tons more material to work with and explore, even though that doesn't happen anymore. The Archie comics have more content, but it's absolutely shit for most of it, and has very, very little to do with the games.

>>14594350

you ruined it tbh

Now this is a Sonic thread.

>>14596635

whoops, didn't mean to respond to that

>>14596635

2014 was 16 years ago you fucking newfag.

>>14596813

>1937 was yesterday

sighhhhhhhhhhh

I keep hearing about this sonic story two babies one fox. What's that all about?

>>14597398

it's about Tails spending time with Cream and a baby its a bit lewd and shit

>>14597452

I need to burn my PC now.

>>14597574

that is quite unsettling.

>>14597643

Its not as unsettling as realizing that kids of my classmates already graduate school.

>>14596635

>Aren't Genesis Sonic and Modern Sonic now different universes now? Fuck me Forces was retarded.

Modern Eggman refers to Classic Sonic as being from "an alternate dimension." This is retarded, but makes a bit more sense when you consider Sonic to operate under DBZ rules of time travel, where alternate timelines are effectively alternate universes or dimensions. Classic Sonic's timeline split from the events of Generations. That's why Modern Sonic doesn't remember experiencing the events of Generations or Forces from Classic Sonic's point of view. I'd say this also implies that Mania only happened in Classic Sonic's timeline, and not in Modern Sonic's past, but then I don't think Sonic Team thinks enough about it to consciously reach that conclusion.

I think what I'm saying also makes sense because '06 Silver reappears in other games even after Modern Sonic's timeline is changed and a new Silver (Rivals Silver) is created in its new future. But then '06 Silver reappearing in Generations could just as easily be explained due to the Time Eater messing with time and just plain bringing back guys from futures that have been erased. And Forces doesn't make clear which Silver it is. I like to pretend that the timeline has simply moved so far forward that they reached the point where Silver has been born and Forces Silver is Present Silver. But I know that's even more retarded than anything else in this post.

>>14598485

>they reached the point where Silver has been born and Forces Silver is Present Silver.

Sonic would have had to have died of old age, for that to happen. Still, that's not as retarded as a theoretical timeline an anon once made, where Sonic '06's present was set about a decade after most of the other games, justifying it by saying Sonic's even lankier design, in that game, indicated he was much older.

>>14598911

>Sonic would have had to have died of old age, for that to happen.

They don't make clear exactly when '06 Silver is from, or what happened to his timeline's Sonic.

>Still, that's not as retarded as a theoretical timeline an anon once made, where Sonic '06's present was set about a decade after most of the other games

I hope this was before Generations came out, because if Sonic's 20th birthday is a plot point in that game, and it happens after '06, then that means Sonic was under ten years old in games set before '06. He'd be a toddler in the Genesis games.

'06's story isn't complicated. I don't get why people think it is. Probably because they never actually played it and just heard Game Grumps or some other faggot explain it, badly. The problem with that game is not the story, even if Princess Elise being a romantic interest is really stupid, and technically one of the Chaos Emeralds ends up in a time loop.

>>14598953

>They don't make clear exactly when '06 Silver is from

Yes, they do. When Sonic and crew get transported into Silver's future, Tails finds out it's two centuries later, through one of the computers.

>'06's story isn't complicated.

It isn't, but it's dumb and inconsistent. It never gives a reason why Mephiles can't just merge with future, already released Iblis. Both Silver and Blaze are retards. We're supposed to believe that a princess, who lost both her parents at an early age, is already effectively reigning as queen, and has never once cried, is just as open and warm-hearted as any Disney princess. Sonic's story is basically the same things happening over and over again. It's biggest problems aren't from the story, but the story is still a large mark against the game.

>>14596635

Sonic 1-3& Knuckles Keep continuity throughout. That somewhat carries over to adventure one. Which concepts like Angel Island, the Master and Chaos emeralds, etc. Adventure 1 holds continuity with Adventure 2 and Adventure 2 holds continuity with both Heroes and Shadow the Hedgehog.

>>14599041

>When Sonic and crew get transported into Silver's future, Tails finds out it's two centuries later, through one of the computers.

Really? Don't know how I missed that. I'm autistic enough to have played through that game twice. My mistake, then.

>We're supposed to believe that a princess, who lost both her parents at an early age, is already effectively reigning as queen, and has never once cried, is just as open and warm-hearted as any Disney princess.

Yeah I really don't have a problem with this. And I can buy that Silver and Blaze are just plain stupid. It's not like Knuckles doesn't already exist.

>Sonic's story is basically the same things happening over and over again.

This, and the whole princess plot in general, was due to "fans" at the time complaining that the recent games had real stories, and they wanted a simple one like Mario. So Sonic Team gave them a simple, formulaic save the princess plot… in Sonic's part of the game. Then they saved all the autism for Shadow and Silver's stories.

>>14599052

'06 also carries on from Shadow the Hedgehog, and Generations and Forces reference everything. The only thing is that "Classic Sonic" must basically be a different guy whose timeline split off right at the beginning of Sonic 1, when he got roped into the events of Generations.

>>14599101

>And I can buy that Silver and Blaze are just plain stupid. It's not like Knuckles doesn't already exist.

But, then, Knuckles already fulfills that character role. And they are worse than even he was. This is especially dumb for Blaze, who already had an established character, beforehand, and is supposed to be Silver's wise, more level-headed counterpart that gives him advice.

>they wanted a simple one like Mario.

But Mario doesn't save the princess, only to have her immediately kidnapped again, three times in one game. A "save the princess" plot was fine. A "save the princess over and over, pointlessly" plot wasn't.

>>14599101

Forgot

>'06 also carries on from Shadow the Hedgehog

Kinda. Shadow's story works as a continuation of his game, but there's never any direct reference to any previous games in the series, not to mention the outright retcons like Blaze's whole situation. There's a lot of elements of '06 that suggests they were, at least, initially, going for a beginning to a new continuity. The game's title only reinforces this.

>>14599141

>This is especially dumb for Blaze, who already had an established character, beforehand, and is supposed to be Silver's wise, more level-headed counterpart that gives him advice.

Well yeah I'll give you this one. Wtf is going on with Blaze even being in that game is baffling. Best explanation I've heard is that at the end of the game she's actually going to the dimension from Sonic Rush and becomes a princess and stuff. Which sorta works since it later turns out Eggman Nega is actually from the future as well, though a different future. Yeah it's fucked.

>>14599162

'06 very clearly carries on from previous games, with lots of references to GUN, Shadow working for them, and all the other characters being there as you'd expect them. The only thing that's really fucked is Blaze, and that's more likely because she's from a spinoff game and Sonic Team never gave a fuck to play it or see what her story was. Same thing probably would have happened with Cream when she first appeared in a Sonic Team game if Advance 2 had any significant story to begin with.

To say the title implies it was ever supposed to be a new continuity is retarded. This was the beginning of an era when that was happening all the time. Shortly before The Fast and The Furious 4 was called Fast and Furious, and Final Destination 4 was called The Final Destination. Both were firmly sequels, not reboots.

>>14599196

>with lots of references to GUN

That's like saying Eggman in the game means every earlier Sonic game must have happened, despite there being no reference to any past actions of his.

>Shadow working for them

If this were a new continuity, he could easily just have started out working for them. It's not like his own game ever explicitly said he joined G.U.N., afterward. Some of the dialogue in expert mode could be indicative it happened, but Maria also talks to Shadow about current events, in that mode, so it's difficult to give anything said any serious weight.

>all the other characters being there as you'd expect them.

Tails doesn't have the Tornado, which he was nearly inseparable from in the previous games. Knuckles is there solely to deliver a message from Eggman, with no mention of the Master Emerald or Angel Island, at all. Omega is now suddenly built specifically to fight and beat Shadow, yet somehow he never knew this beforehand. No events from the previous games are ever mentioned, not even as small nods or anything. The game could work entirely stand-alone, and no information would be lost.

>>14599279

Wasn't Shadow doing training with GUN in the bonus mode after clearing the game? They threw a lot of ideas at the wall just to pull out whatever stuck.

Since we're on the discussion…

As far as I know, this is the closest known information there is to a "canon" order of the Sonic games

>Sonic The Hedgehog

>Sonic CD

>Sonic the Hedgehog 2

>Sonic 3 & Knuckles

>Sonic Mania (?)

>Sonic Forces (If Mania is considered to canonically take place after & Knuckles, unless they try to say that things split after & Knuckles ala the split in the Zelda timeline (Yes, I know it's doesn't exist) after OoT)

>Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode 1

>Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode Metal

>Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode 2

>Sonic Adventure

>Sonic Adventure 2

>Sonic Advance

>Sonic Advance 2

>Sonic Heroes

>Shadow the Hedgehog

>Sonic Battle

>Sonic Advance 3

>Sonic Rush

>Sonic '06

>Sonic Rivals

>Sonic Rush Adventure

>Sonic Rivals 2

>Sonic Unleashed

>Sonic Colors

>Sonic Generations

>Sonic Lost World

>Sonic Forces

It should also be mentioned that the Storybook games (and the Secret Rings/Black Knight) and the Riders trilogy are also canon, but they have no definite place as to where they go (Best guess: Riders happens anytime Heroes, and the Storybook games happen after 06).

>>14599575

That's the expert mode I was talking about. Several bits of the dialogue say Shadow is training, but they don't say for what. And, again, some of that is from Maria, the girl who died fifty years beforehand.

>>14602839

It's one of the damn GUN VAs, what other human organizations actually fucking existed in Sonic's world? For all you know the world government could just be GUN.

>>14602872

He could be training for personal reasons. It's not like Goku belongs to any kind of military, yet he trains all the time. Again, we're talking about a bonus mode where Shadow is going through the entire game, while disembodied voices, some of them belonging to dead people, talk to him about random topics and give him words of encouragement. There's hardly anything concrete about it.

>>14599279

>Omega is now suddenly built specifically to fight and beat Shadow

What? Clearly he was just reprogrammed by GUN for this in the future.

>That's like saying Eggman in the game means every earlier Sonic game must have happened, despite there being no reference to any past actions of his.

With this logic, and most of the rest of your post, you could say every game is technically its own continuity, since most don't contain explicit references to past events, but rather just show the continuing adventures of the characters. This is doubly true with the Modern Sonic games. And it can really apply to almost any series in any medium. Every episode of Seinfeld must be its own continuity, since previous episodes are almost never referenced.

The events of Sonic 1 are almost never referenced, except for in certain games where Green Hill Zone reappears. I guess that means Sonic 1 isn't canon to most games, including Sonic 2.

>>14602839

The Maria you interact with in that game is only the memory of Maria. Many levels of that game are only in Shadow's mind. Same would go for Expert Mode, where the training in those levels would only be in his mind, mental training.

Not that Expert Mode would be particularly important either way. The main thing is that Shadow's character development from his solo game clearly carries over to the next game.

>>14599852

I think with most series, the logical thing to do is to simply assume things happen in release order unless there's something to point to otherwise. So here's my autistic order, with reasons listed if things are out of release order.

Sonic 1 era

>Flicky

>Tails Adventure - explicit prequel

>Sonic 1 (16-bit)

>Sonic 1 (8-bit)

>Sonic Eraser - don't know how it could have a story, but if it happened, it happened here

>Waku Waku Sonic Patrol Car

>SegaSonic the Hedgehog - released after Sonic 2 (16-bit) but in development right after Sonic 1. Due to Sonic 2-3&K events, this either happens here, or after S&K. It's closer in release date to this order, and shares more stuff with earliest games.

>Sonic CD - see explanation for SegaSonic. Plus putting it earlier gives more opportunity for an entire year to pass between this and Sonic 4, without just doing a year where nothing happens

Sonic 2 and 3&K era

>Sonic 2 (8-bit)

>Sonic Chaos - see explanation for SegaSonic

>SegaSonic Cosmo Fighter - see explanation for SegaSonic

>Sonic Drift - I know it doesn't have a story. Well if it happened it happened here. Same explanation as SegaSonic

>Sonic 2 (16-bit)

>Sonic 3 & Knuckles - a bunch of games are released between Sonic 2 and Sonic & Knuckles, but obviously Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles happen right next to each other, and while time actually does pass between 2 and 3, Sonic still has the Chaos Emeralds and Eggman has been busy repairing the Death Egg and tricking Knuckles.

>Sonic 4 - takes place after Sonic & Knuckles, but before any games that feature Metal Sonic, except for Sonic CD. Since Little Planet reappearing is a plot point here, it takes place one year after that. Also, Metal Sonic leaves Stardust Speedway's Bad Future and goes straight to Episode Metal without time travel, meaning Sonic CD's futures are only one year in its future (sorta makes sense since it appears every year), and the Bad Future is canon. Maybe Sonic got the last Time Stone in Metallic Madness, but then would that relegate Stardust Speedway Bad Future to an alt timeline? Obviously Metal Sonic couldn't just run to Earth if that were the case.

>Sonic Triple Trouble - released between 3 and Knuckles but obviously can't take place then. Must be after. Also, Metal Sonic is in this and the next few games, so it must be after 4

>Drift 2 - yeah yeah no story. But if it counts it goes here

>Knuckles Chaotix

>Tails Skypatrol

>Labyrinth

Saturn era

>Sonic the Fighters - after Sonic 4, the Death Egg II isn't actually destroyed. Its power source, Little Planet, disappears, but the station is still up there. Here we see the Death Egg II again, presumably upgraded with a new power source. Tails' spaceship also strongly resembles the one from Sonic 4. Sonic 4 is a prequel to Fighters.

>Sonic 3D Blast - didn't get a Japanese release until later, so I'd almost say it's not canon, except it doesn't really contradict anything, and has the same devs as Sonic R, which I'll get to

>Sonic Blast

>Sonic R - Tails Doll originates here and reappears in Sonic Adventure. Just an easter egg? Sure. But that's enough for me.

>Sonic Pocket Adventure - people like to say Eggman transitions from his Classic costume to his Adventure costume here. Silly, but I'll take it.

After this we get Sonic Adventure, and everything is pretty much in release order except for Battle coming out before Heroes but obviously taking place after it.

Note that Classic Sonic's timeline splits off from where Eggman and the Time Eater first touched the timeline in Generations, which was right at the beginning of Sonic 1. Modern Sonic doesn't remember experiencing the events of Generations and Forces from Classic Sonic's POV, so it's an alt timeline. Also, since Mania leads directly into Forces, Mania only happens in Classic Sonic's timeline. Since it has heavy references to the old games, I think we can still assume that the events in his timeline are very similar to Modern Sonic's, but some things are explicitly different than how they happened in the actual games, like Classic Sonic meets Classic Tails well before the events of Sonic 2. I'd also say that since Mania heavily references all the Classic era games, that it takes place right at the end of that era, maybe even after Sonic R. Certainly after the Game Gear games, and the last Game Gear game is only right before R.

And even though I love Spinball and Mean Bean Machine, and Mean Bean Machine is heavily referenced in Mania (in gameplay, not plot), they also clearly take place in the cartoon universe and can't be canon to the games.

>>14603687

Not even the fucking games have a canon with themselves. If you're seriously autistic you can maybe piece some things together here and there but there's no fucking way they were developed to be cohesive. If they are that only makes them worse than the convoluted clusterfucks they are on their own.

>>14603710

S1 through Shadow were developed to be cohesive, with Battle also getting rather into the ongoing plot. They mostly threw it all away with '06, though, and every game, since, has been very self-contained.

>>14603736

Do you mean Sonic Adventure 1? I dont see how the first one fits through shadow.

>>14603745

Sonic 1, 2, and 3&K all have a build up of lore, mostly in the manuals, that culminates in SA1's plot about the ancient echidnas and Chaos. SA1 also makes reference to the events of CD, at the very beginning of Amy's story. SA2, while not a direct continuation, follows up on certain things, like Tails status as Station Square's savior, Tails piloting the Tornado II, and Gerald having studied the echidna civilization enough to build a replica M.E. shrine in the Ark. Heroes follows up on SA2 by bringing back Shadow and giving him an amnesia plot. Shadow is a direct continuation of that amnesia plot. Battle makes several references to these various games, throughout, and is even followed up on by Sonic Advance 3. Chronicles is also a weird one about the lore, as it basically adapts some concepts of Ken Pender's echidna lore into the main story, explaining some things like the origin of gizoids, which Emerl, from Battle, is one of.

>>14603745

>Sonic Adventure

<Chaos

>Sonic Adventure 2

<Biolizard based off of Chaos, chaos emeralds being the source of Shadow the the Biolizard's power, introduction of Shadows power

>Sonic Heroes

<Shadow returning with a memory wipe

>Shadow

<Shadow's own story finally resolving his backstory issues

>Sonic Battle

<Chaos returns (Although briefly), E 102-Gamma knockoff make an emergence, references to the events of Heroes and Shadow

>Sonic Advance 3

<Eggman recreating his own version of the robot from Battle

>>14603777

>Chronicles is also a weird one about the lore, as it basically adapts some concepts of Ken Pender's echidna lore into the main story, explaining some things like the origin of gizoids, which Emerl, from Battle, is one of.

>>14592019

>>14603687

>thanks to 06, the timeline is fucked up and Silver's actual first appearance is considered Rivals which makes no fucking sense.

Silver's future was erased at the end of '06. A new future with a new Silver was created, and he first appeared in Rivals. Since almost all the events of '06 were also erased, nobody remembers that that Silver ever existed. Until the Time Eater fucks with time and brings him back. You might as well complain about Dragon Ball Z having two versions of Trunks. It's the same thing.

Blaze and Nega are legitimately fucked, though. I've heard crazy headcanon shit to explain it, and some explanations make more sense than others, but obviously Sonic Team just didn't give enough of a shit to play Rush, and assumed the characters would be simple enough to work with their uses, like Cream. I doubt anyone at Sonic Team played Advance 2 before using Cream in Heroes, but she's so simple it doesn't matter.

>>14603736

>>14603745

If anything, Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2 are two of the most disconnected entries in the whole series, with the only major reference to the former in the latter being mentioning that Tails was awarded a Chaos Emerald for saving Station Square from Eggman's missile attack.

Sonic 1 to Sonic Adventure have a fairly cohesive story, especially with Sonic 2, Sonic 3, Sonic & Knuckles, Knuckles Chaotix, and Sonic Adventure. Obviously some of the spinoff entries have less plot, but also not enough to get in the way. Sonic Adventure 2 to Sonic '06 also have a strong arc for Shadow. Sonic Advance 2 doesn't really add to that but introduces Cream. Battle strongly adds to the Shadow plot, and Advance 3 follows on from Battle.

It's only after Sonic '06 bombed that they decided to do away with everything from the older games, including having a story. Unleashed still had a bit, and I liked that it actually gave Sonic a bit more characterization, but after that it was nothing but excuse plots, even with Generations. Forces then finally listened to people saying they liked the Adventure games, but came off like the DeviantArt fanfiction that people who weren't paying attention accuse the Adventure games of being, instead of a real plot like the games had.

>>14603777

Battle does a pretty good job at trying to tie the Chaos story to the Shadow story. But it's mostly done in super secret hidden text messages that only appear if you beat the game again after already beating it once. Then Chronicles tries to go further with this but fucks it up.

>Tails piloting the Tornado II

If you look closely, the plane in Sonic Adventure 2 is the Tornado III, which makes sense since it transforms in a totally different and more complex way than II. Shadow the Hedgehog then has Tails in the Tornado IV.

>>14603710

I had lots of ideas actually, since I am deeply autistic about Sonic, I can go full Metal Gear on that one except it will actually makes sense. Let's try, Keep in mind it will not be fully chronologic

Let's call pre Adventure era, "Chaos" era, since Sonic's dimension is considered Chaos according to Rush series, idk if it includes humans as well. I think Sonic X makes the most sense with this one. Sonic world transported to Human world. I will call the human one "Earth"

Chaos era:

>Sonic 1 happens, Sonic still hasn't contacted with Tails keep that in mind

>Sonic CD and SegaSonic happens as well

>Sonic Blast and 3D blast happens and Sonic meets Knuckles they are still enemies and Eggman tricks Knuckles

>Sonic 2 happens and Tails meets Sonic

>idk about Tails' game, let's not call them canon

>Sonic Chaos happens

>I want to call Triple Trouble before 2, since Sonic hasn't met Tails and still enemies with Knuckles, I really want to make it canon with Sonic, Knuckles and Knack as three enemies, it's a cool idea but there is Tails, so not canon

>Sonic 3&K happens and Knuckles is an ally now

>Knuckles Chaotix happens

>4 never fucking happens by the way

I will continue and make a good list but my autism isn't good enough right now. Keep in mind that Segasonic is a core element which

>>14603836

which will make Knuckles Chaotix happen. Because Ray and Mighty became allies with Sonic

>>14603836

>3D Blast and Blast happen before Tails and Knuckles are introduced in Sonic 2 and 3

>you explain Knuckles by saying he's an enemy even though he's an ally in both of these games

That and saying Sonic is from a different world is retarded unless you're straight up not counting any games starting with Adventure. Also cutscenes from Sonic Jam take place in a world very much like Adventure. I know people wouldn't count those but I'm just saiyan.

>>14603861

yea sorry about Knuckles one, keep in mind that I don't count some game gear games. I think there should be some games where Knuckles is still an enemy and Knuckles becomes ally after Sonic 3. Knuckles has same problem with Shadow, he becomes enemy again in some games for no reason (not counting Adventure 1 Knuckles)

>>14603898

Knuckles is easily tricked. By this logic, Adventure would have to take place before S&K since he gets tricked again there. He simply gets tricked again in games like Triple Trouble.

I figure if you're gonna get autistic, you might as well try to count as much content as possible, unless you're given good reasons not to.

>>14603917

yes but it kinda feels stupid like that, at least Adventure 1 should be canon with another trickery.

>>14603995

>>some fuck up happens and everyone is in Earth now

If they weren't from earth to begin with how could eggmans grandad be gunned down by GUN?

>>14604026

oh shit, good point, I also wanted to talk about Silver being in Earth Dimension. Only thing that makes sense is they were all in same planet after all. It's just "Chaos" Era happened somewhere that isn't covered with humans. Thanks for reminding me that man

>>14604035

If you couldn't notice that clear detail perhaps you shouldn't bother with this kind of thing.

>>14604050

nah man my autismo won't let me. As I said I have lots of ideas, even a new game, huge with plot stuff. Also you can consider some stuff from games not canon and change it to canon to make sense easily. I think Sonic and humans in the same planet would make the most sense. There is also another theory where Eggman was in human dimension and he went to Chaos dimension after he was born. Which kinda makes sense too but Shadow and Silver story just kills everything. Just make canon "same planet" and call it a day I guess. Some people tried to make a theory about how humans and furry thingies met but discussing realism in video games is just stupid. It's a fucking video game franchise made for kids and autistics after all.

>>14604072

>As I said I have lots of ideas, even a new game

so you want to write fanfic? The only good fanfic is the uber retarded shit like tails gets trolled/tamers12345, simple 4 panel comics, and in the case of things that are not sonic related porn parodies.

>>14604152

not really, the plot is basically timeline trying to make sense, mighty and ray joins chaotix, infinite having interactions with shadow and infinifte stops being a bad guy, metal sonic being a terrorist, silver and blaze joins, nega tries to do some stuff, Knack and other 2 bad guys in the game, Emerl joins etc. I might write some stuff related to story later, if the thread doesn't die

>>14604217

>that big nose

>that pitiful microdick

Hes a jew too isn't he?

>>14604236

That's just something Ian likes to do. He plans stories years in advance.

>>14604072

>I think Sonic and humans in the same planet would make the most sense.

So you have to say Adventure isn't canon. The whole premise of that is saying that the world of Angel Island, Knuckles' home to which he is deeply connected, is full of humans.

The classic era games just didn't happen in places with humans. In fact, they didn't even happen in places with any anthropomorphic animals in them, either, except for the couple who are playable. You could think that the games' world is completely barren if you just assume that whatever you don't see can't exist.

All you're doing is describing the Archie comics but without the Freedom Fighters. The Sonic timeline isn't hard. There are only a couple games that have any reason to take place outside release order, and they're all early games that nobody gets confused over, because they're simple stories to begin with. If you just read the manuals in release order, it all ends up being simple. The few details that don't work perfectly can be fixed by shifting a few games a bit, but not much.

I just hope the IDW comics stick relatively close to the games' backstory and try to do something with it instead of just doing wholly original stuff. There's a lot to work with if they tried, but nobody ever has. The games imply a cool world that can't be fully explored in a platforming series, since they shouldn't want to focus way too hard on plot.

But IDW was promising an OC main character months before the series released, so I don't have my hopes up. Unless she's just for an arc or something. But even then I wouldn't start with the OCs until I exhaust every other character. The Archie Comics did end up doing a good job with using most of the characters, but the Freedom Fighters still overshadowed everybody, so plenty of others could get a lot more prominence and depth that they haven't gotten before. Plus many versions ended up being quite different due to the different world and history. And even then, I'd still use all the cartoon OCs before making new ones, I'd just say the Kingdom of Acorn is a regular Kingdom that Eggman once conquered, probably sometime right before Sonic 2 (16-bit). Maybe I'd say it takes place on the continent of Mobius or something. Or maybe I'd save the name Mobius in case they ever get the balls to do multiverse stuff and cross over with the cartoon directly. I know there are legal fuckups on Archie's part, but Sega surely still has access to all the cartoons. But even after all of that, I'd still relegate OCs to non-starring roles, in single arcs at a time. This is a series where people complain about having too many characters. Fuck off with the OCs. Just do an adaptation that's actually like the games for once.

>>14605322

You understand that what your last paragraph is describing is basically Archie after the reboot, right? The Acorn Kingdom is just a kingdom that Eggman once took over. The entire reboot universe was taking the game world and trying to fit cartoon characters and concepts as best as they could. You had South Island, West Side Island, Station Square, all the countries from Unleashed, and several other locations from the games. It can be argued that the freedom fighters had a greater spotlight than really needed, but this was also an abrupt reboot to a comic where they had been main characters. A huge portion of the established reader base would have been rather angry if they had been pushed to the wayside.

>>14605399

Yeah I know it's pretty close to ArchieSonic, but they still tried to fit too much of Archie's fucked shit into it, and focused way too much on the Freedom Fighters. Don't get me wrong, it was still pretty good, Flynn is a miracle worker, but I still want one that goes a step further. But yes, you're also right that downplaying the Freedom Fighters more would anger some past readers. So now they have another opportunity to shift things a little further like they did with the Genesis Wave and the Super Genesis Wave.

>>14604231

Depends, is the pyramid cut or uncut?

>>14605424

>But yes, you're also right that downplaying the Freedom Fighters more would anger some past readers.

And it's less downplaying the freedom fighters, by itself, but doing that on top of everything else. The "Sally is a robot" plotline was in full swing, Shard just died, Antoine was in a coma, and Bunnie had upright disappeared for personal reasons. Not only did all of those plot threads get thrown out, but a bunch of characters, some of them actually liked, were completely thrown out, too, with no way to bring them back. Significantly lowering the involvement of the freedom fighters would just be kicking the fans while they were down.

>>14605571

>The "Sally is a robot" plotline was in full swing, Shard just died, Antoine was in a coma, and Bunnie had upright disappeared for personal reasons. Not only did all of those plot threads get thrown out, but a bunch of characters, some of them actually liked, were completely thrown out, too, with no way to bring them back.

There was also the fact that Scurge also broke out of jail with Fiona's new gang, then there was also the nonsense going on over at Angel Island…

I feel like there was still a lot more going on. Say what you will about how much better things were after getting "cleaned up" thanks to the Genesis Wave, but I preferred the stories happening prior to the soft-reboot than I did after (Most likely due to the fact that I spent the time actually reading it all just for it to go up in flames, FUCK PENDERS). I was hoping that they would, at some point, address the fact that they remember everything from the older universe, but that plot point seemed to get brushed under the rug the moment the planet broke apart. And, everything afterwards felt like they spent too much time trying to "rebuild" the entire cast with altered old characters and replacements. And, it just never really felt like the series ever regained any of it's momentum.

>>14599041

>>14599101

It's Rouge in Shadow's story right before Team Sonic shows up that says the database was last updated 200 years ago, not Tails I think.

>>14605929

From my interpretation, it's probably because 8/v/ is one of the rare places to discuss Sonic with any sort of restraint.

>>14605322

can you explain more about Adventure not being canon and stuff? I also don't remember some stuff from newer games. So, can we both agree that anthropomorphic animals and humans live in the same world? It will make lots of stuff simple and makes sense. As I said questioning realism like countries, places with only humans/animals, antropomorphic animals and normal etc. would just kill the franchise anyway.

>>14589670

argentina confirmed for still white

>nuIDW in charge of Sonic comics

I can't wait to see the dumpster fire, it will truly be an epic one.

>>14599852

>>14603299

Sonic Battle takes place before Shadow's game since he's still depicted as an amnesiac. Rush could also go after '06 if you use the explanation from >>14599196

I personally like to put CD after 3&K but before Mania and 4, due to the evolution from Silver Sonic in 2 to Mecha Sonic in 3&K to finally the perfected Metal Sonic design in CD, but I suppose it could go either way really. Sonic Team hasn't really given a shit about the story for almost a decade anyway.

>>14607294

Shadow the Hedgehog originally had the aliens produce red/pink mist as they were hit/died, this was later changed to green.

>>14607265

I want to fuck that cat.

>>14604017

I care.

You may as well start dumping TGT again.

Or that smash one.

>>14607265

I forgot Scratch and Grounder were even in there.

>>14605697

The Shadow arc, the one that's basically a sequel to the Shadow the Hedgehog video game, is still my favorite arc in the entire series, except for the first Mega Man crossover. It had appearances from Princess Sally and stuff, but mostly felt like the game world with mostly game characters, which is very rare. When other characters showed up, you could figure it was just a more expanded world, but the central characters were central, despite this being in a spinoff series specifically about non-central characters. Also had a really cool plot that felt like it expanded the world more but not in ways that would contradict central things from the source material. It explored a road the games left open but would almost surely never explore themselves.

Meanwhile, the main series was busy pretending to do an Unleashed adaptation, but it was so slow paced and most of it was just interacting with more OCs, new ones that didn't even have the justification of being comic fan favorites, so it was boring as fuck. Great that they cleaned up the world, but then what they actually decided to do with it was fucking boring, and it didn't have to be, as shown by what happened in Sonic Universe and the very promising final arc of the main series that never got finished.

>>14606772

>can you explain more about Adventure not being canon and stuff?

I am not advocating that view. I'm saying how stupid it is to say Sonic can't be from a world with humans. If you want to believe that, you have to say Adventure isn't canon, since Adventure is firmly tied in with the arc of the Genesis games, with the key locations and characters and backstory. Angel Island is originally part of the landmass that Station Square is on, which may be Westside Island from Sonic 2. This is a world with both humans and anthropomorphic animals. It's a cartoon. It's not complicated. Goku's king is a dog and some of his best friends are a pig, a cat, and a turtle. Nobody cares. People shouldn't care here, either.

>>14607194

Same creative team as before. And with Chris Ryall fired, hopefully things will change. But IDW has also confirmed they're ending their Transformers series, and Hasbro licenses all their properties as a group, so it sounds like IDW is losing the Hasbro license, and after already losing 91% of their profit last year compared to the year before, they'll likely go out of business no matter what. So enjoy this comic while it lasts. It, and the company that publishes it, likely won't last more than a year.

>>14607287

I figure Metal Sonic was so good he couldn't be truly rebuilt, so Eggman ended up with poorer copies. Those copies advanced over time as well, but eventually he just had to rescue the original Metal Sonic. Otherwise you're left with a year where nothing happens right after 3&K (and then CD right after that game) but before 4.Plus CD feels way more like Sonic 1 than Sonic 2, let alone Sonic & Knuckles. That's when it was developed.

Honestly thought it would be worse. If I have any criticisms at this point it is that it is too cheesy. I feel like they are just playing it super safe so they can get a bunch of readers and throw them a pozzed curveball once they have built a base.

>ITT

>Archie Comics lore was bad

>Schitzo plot from the games is good

Is it autism?

>>14608374

Archie Comics lore was bad. Forces plot was flimsy but something you can build on. The disjointed plot of the other games is old and easily ignored.

Also, Sonic thread so yes it is autism.

>>14589836

> Tails

> Peinis

pick one and only one

>>14608352

You've already experienced the best Sonic has to offer

>>14608406

The plot of the main games is only disjointed after '06.

But yes, either way it's autism. But to defend the Archie lore is to have never read the first 200 issues, at least. And even after that, it's a talented autist doing his best to mold the shit he was handed into something good, but while being too autistic to throw anything out.

>>14603687

>canon

What fucking canon are you all even talking about. Any semblance of that was destroyed after Heroes. Or Battle, if you want to get really autistic

>>14610036

>Do more babies need to be microwaved to make you understand?

Please explain

>>14610036

>implying the game lore isn't bad

What are you talking about??? I thought you fuckheads loved Ian Flynn.

>>14611445

I am deeply autistic and there are lots of games that is canon actually. Sonic 1-2-3-CD, Adventure 1-2, Heroes, Shadow the Hedgehog, 06, Rush. We still don't know if Colors and Lost World is canon. Also can't confirm Unleashed, Generations and unfortunately Forces.

Also some characters and stuff are canon like Wisps, Cream, Emerl, Marine etc. Don't know about Infinite yet

Didn't the ending of Sonic 06 wipe the game's events from existence, or am I not autistic enough to understand?

Also I thought Sonic doesn't have a consistent timeline because it's a children's platforming game series with wildly varying styles and spinoffs

>>14612507

yea 06 deleted itself, and people consider Rivals as canon and the first appearance of Silver for that.

fuck you, sonic series is a very deep franchise, even better than MGS series. The characters and story is perfectly designed except for heroes.

>>14612544

we really need an actual 06 to complete the timeline, while independent games like boost series seem to be good on paper, every sonic game after 06 has been like that. When was the last time they tried to make a good story? Forces doesn't count, they didn't even try.

The classic sonic from mania is debatable. I think we should consider that as another sonic. The other sonic's timeline is unknown, only some of them is known. Goes like this: Generations -> Mania -> Forces -> teleport to somewhere else

Implying you read my other autistic sonic lore, We really need to adjust some of the parts of story to make Sonic story whole again. I don't want to commit suicide until they make something like Adventure 3 and at least try to make sonic good. I was so happy when they announced Mighty and Ray for mania plus, we need them, Knack, Emerl and some others for the modern games.

>>14612610

they had 4 years to make Sonic Forces. Also if the engine was the case, Unleashed has 2 years, just like pretty much every Sonic releases. I heard that Forces was going to be a lot better than what we got. You can especially see it in the announcement trailer or something. Sonic is actually angry and city is destroyed n stuff. I was actually hoping for something good until I saw classic sonic. Also is Hedghehog Engine 2 is basically Forces engine? I hope other Hedgehog Engine 2 games doesn't play like Forces one.

>>14612544

Generation's Classic Sonic suffers from the Grandfather Paradox. It's the same Sonic as Modern Sonic, but his existence logically isn't justified.

Mania/Forces Classic Sonic is a Classic Sonic from an alternate reality, as stated in-game. And based on the properties of the Phantom Ruby, he may or may not even exist. But he was depicted as real in Mania adventures, so we can assume that Mania/Forces Classic Sonic exists in another independent timeline.

>>14612568

>Emerl

Emerl was destroyed at the end of Sonic Battle, and his copy, G-merl, lives with Cream and Vanilla. He ain't coming back.

>>14612648

There's an unused alternate version of a level in the game that's said to be more difficult.

>>14612656

>Mania/Forces Classic Sonic is a Classic Sonic from an alternate reality

That "Sonic from another dimension" line was poorly worded in English.

It's been stated officially that the Classic Sonic from gens, and the Classic Sonic from Forces and Mania are all the same Sonic, but after generations that classic sonic's timeline is now changed which lead to Mania and Forces.

>>14612610

>>14612661

Even the better level (while more intresting) lacks challenge. Sure Unleashed was BOOSTBOOSTBOOST, but if you boosted in the wrong place you died, and the 2D levels were tricky at times.

The first Classic Sonic level has hidden springs before every jump, so you don't need to jump.

I think the game was rushed for holiday release AND forced to add Classic Sonic so it could get additional sales from those who enjoyed Mania. I imagine the game was gonna be it's own thing, with the whole game about the avatar trying to save Sonic, rather than recusing him in 5 seconds.

>>14612773

Didn't the first Forces trailer revealed a lot before even Mania was a thing? Not just that, did they even had Classic Sonic in mind back in 2013? 2 years after Generations and putting Classic Sonic again to a new game would be really stupid idea, even for the current Sonic team.

>>14612841

Heroes-Shadow string? isn't the Shadow arc like this? in the end of SA2, Shadow falls and manages to survive thanks to Eggman. Eggman makes clones of Shadow, while original Shadow has amnesia. After Heroes, Shadow the Hedgehog happens where Shadow is still kinda amnesiac but gets some of his memories and becomes good guy again. 06 Shadow is the true Shadow now, same as Forces Shadow.

>>14611445

>Any semblance of that was destroyed after Heroes.

What about Heroes, or the games immediately after it, like Battle or Shadow, bothered you? Those are some of the entries that rely most heavily on canon of previous games.

>>14612494

No reason whatsoever to say those entries aren't canon. They have excuse plots, except for Forces which is like bad fanfiction, but they all fit well enough into what came before, and reference each other along with the older stuff.

>>14612507

'06 erased itself at the end but it still exists in an alternate timeline, so Silver from that game was brought to the main timeline by the Time Eater in Generations. In Rivals, the new future created after '06 erases itself is shown, and a new Silver exists there.

>>14612568

>>14612533

>but Sega made it as a reboot to the franchise.

Saying this proves you never played it.>The classic sonic from mania is debatable. I think we should consider that as another sonic. The other sonic's timeline is unknown, only some of them is known. Goes like this: Generations -> Mania -> Forces -> teleport to somewhere else

This. But I think from Mania's referencing of previous games, and the fact that Classic Sonic is clearly supposed to represent pre-Adventure Sonic, we can assume that most, if not all games up to a certain point, probably right up to right before Adventure, happened in his timeline. The only issue is that he was interrupted by Generations at the beginning of Sonic 1, and he met Tails in Generations instead of right before Sonic 2. But if Mania is referencing things like the 8-bit Sonic 2, along with Bean and Bark and Fang, I think it's safe to say that pretty much all the pre-Dreamcast games count to him.

>>14612656

The Phantom Ruby creates illusions but can also cause real distortions as well. Classic Sonic is real. Forces is his third game.

>>14612735

FUCK YOU. GAMMA IS STILL ALIVE AND SHE IS LIVING HAPPILY WITH HER HUSBAND BETA AND BIRDIE.

>>14612917

>hurr durr voting is degenerate

Hey sweetie, you DO realize that Blomrpmf got elected because of voting and its an essential part of democracy?

>>14614902

I think he was more pointing out the absurdity of telling people to vote with fetish art.

Also Penders is an original SJW. An extra bizarre one that other SJWs would hate if they knew about him, but still.

>>14614902

Where did he say or imply that voting was bad? All he pointed out was that Penders was stupid enough to create fetish art to encourage voting.

>>14603995

>you might even consider it not canon

Kind of have to considering it ends in a cliffhanger and even then the game's clearly unfinished.

>>14616528

>referencing doesn't really mean it has happened.

True. But come on. It's clearly the intention in this case. We can't be sure that Classic Sonic has experienced anything other than Generations, Mania, and Forces, but that's clearly not what we are intended to think. If anything, we're probably supposed to think that Sonic 1 and 2 happened regular in his timeline, too, even though Generations changes at least minor events of those games in his timeline.

>Also Gamma is dead, stop denying, he came back as Omega, the Chad robot.

Naw, Gamma is cool but a different guy. I know the Archie comics tried to do some shit to connect them but naw, they're different. If I were in charge, though, I'd have the Gamma bird become something like Omega's sidekick, following him around like how Birdie followed Amy in Sonic Adventure. The cute bird would be a funny juxtaposition with the ultra tough Omega.

>>14617292

Phantom Ruby. I ain't gotta explain shit.

All the pre-Dreamcast games are clearly intended to be canon to Mania, but technically none are confirmed. But you're gonna tell me you, and therefore Classic Sonic, aren't intended to recognize Bean and Bark? And if Fighters is canon then everything is canon because that's one of the most obscure games.

>>14616528

>>14617151

>>14617292

I read somewhere that Mania is confirmed to take place after 3&K, in-game tells you as much because Knuckles remembers when Robotnik originally stole the Master Emerald right before fighting the Phantom Egg Heavy King.

>>14617468

Yeah it obviously takes place after all the games people give a shit about. Knuckles is an ally in it, after all. The devs have said that originally the story was going to be Eggman building the Hard Boiled Heavies right after losing in 3&K, but that isn't exactly what the final story actually is, including if you read the online manual. There isn't really much said about when it takes place, but it's obviously late in the 2D Sonic era.

>>14612857

>>14614879

The bullshit was the amnesia. Why does it even rely on the canon if you are going to make one of the central characters an amnesiac, negating his character development?

>>14618051

>Why does it even rely on the canon if you are going to make one of the central characters an amnesiac, negating his character development?

Because in the process of rediscovering his lost memories, he also finds out more stuff he never knew in the first place. The interesting part of Shadow the Hedgehog (the game) isn't seeing things we already knew from Sonic Adventure 2, it's finding out the new stuff. In fact, now that I'm thinking about it, I can't even remember how amnesia was relevant. The point was just that Shadow didn't know what the purpose of his life was, since his original purpose that he thought was given to him by Gerald was not what he wanted anymore. He had Maria telling him to save the people, but he still has inner conflict from seeing the government kill his whole family. He's not full on out to destroy the Earth anymore, but not quite over everything either. He has pulls in both directions. Which is the point of the whole game. Follow Black Doom and give in to the angst, or follow Sonic and friends, in some levels Maria herself, and save the world.

>>14618051

Several reasons. There's the mystery of how he survived, why he has no memory of his past life, and if he's even the genuine Shadow. Second, they may have wanted to reinvent the character without nullifying everything else from Adventure 2.

>>14618384

>since his original purpose that he thought was given to him by Gerald was not what he wanted anymore.

He didn't even remember who Gerald was. He didn't have any idea who Maria was, just that visions of her kept popping up in his head. That's why he was ever interested in Black Doom, in the first place; Doom seemed to know who Shadow was, so Shadow thought he could get answers from him. Almost the entire game, Shadow is trying to find his "original" purpose. That's the only reason he ever follows Doom in the evil endings, because he believes Doom's explanation as to why he was created. Sometimes, he comes to a decision that doesn't follow what he believes his original purpose was, but it's usually in reaction to that discovery, such as when he decides to lead a robot revolution. That's why Gerald's video is so important, because it tells Shadow exactly what he was trying to find out, the entire game. Gerald tells him the purpose of his creation, and, once he fulfills that purpose, he finds closure and decides to put the past behind him, for good.

>>14618421

Yeah but the things he finds out aren't things we knew beforehand anyway. Otherwise anyone who was in SA2 could have told him that anyway. And Black Doom isn't even lying about what Shadow was made for. Just so happened that Shadow's two creators had different things in mind for him. But then he decides he's just gonna do what he wants and be himself anyway.

Honestly thinking about it now I can agree the amnesia is dumb, only because it's wholly unnecessary. The story works fully without it.

>>14608446

RARlabs doesn't get their money from individual users. Businesses buy it.

>>14612656

>>14612707

>>14612746

>>14612789

Gmerl was reverse engineered/built from Emerl's remains.

Alright, so here's my take on the timeline:

Original

>Tails's Adventure - Tails finds the 6 Chaos Emeralds on Cocoa Island; they warp to South Island

>SegaSonic - Mighty and Ray introduced

>Sonic 1 - Sonic and Eggman introduced; Emeralds warp to Westside Island

>Sonic CD - No sign of Tails; Amy and Metal introduced

>Sonic 2 - Tails introduced; All 7 Emeralds found

>Sonic 3&K - Knuckles introduced; Master Emerald found

>Chaotix - Vector, Espio, Charmy introduced; Chaos Rings found; serve as apparent counterpart to the Emeralds

>Sonic 4-1 - Everything's Modern from here on out

>Sonic 4-M

>Sonic 4-2

>Sonic 4-3 - Never ever, but this probably would've wrapped up the CD arc while also rehashing 3&K

>Sonic Adventure - Big, E-102, Tikal, Chaos; Amy can't roll; wraps up the Angel Island arc

>Sonic Advance - Last game where Amy can't roll

>Sonic Adventure 2 - Shadow, Rouge; resolves the debate over Eggman's name

>Sonic Advance 2 - Cream introduced

>Sonic Heroes - Shadow has amnesia

>Sonic Battle - Shadow still has amnesia; Emerl

>Sonic Advance 3 - Gmerl built from Emerl's remains

>Shadow - End of Shadow's arc

>Sonic 06 - Blaze seals Iblis's power and sends herself to another dimension; Solaris's erasure seems to result in a timeline where she was always there, and keeps Iblis's pyrokinesis

>Sonic Rush - Blaze and Eggman Nega introduced

>Sonic Rivals - Silver introduced; Nega established as Eggman's descendant; hard to say how he ended up in the Sol Dimension

>Sonic Rush Adventure

>Sonic Rivals 2

>Sonic Unleashed

>Sonic Colors - Uses the same planet as Unleashed; Wisps immigrate post-game

>Sonic Generations - THIS IS WHERE SHIT HITS THE FAN

>Sonic Lost World

>Sonic Forces

Mania Timeline:

>Sonic 1

>Sonic Generations: White Spacetime - Sonic seems to end up here shortly after Green Hill 1, but then he's with Tails as if they've always known each other. All I know for sure is that this all wraps up before 3&K; it's implied at the end that the Instashield is Classic's attempt at learning the Homing Attack. There's another version, Azure Adventure (3DS), where he's taught the Homing Attack and how to Boost.

>Sonic CD, 2, 3&K appear to occur as normal; Chaotix may or may not still occur

>Sonic Mania - Generations's time shenanigans probably led to this Eggman deciding leave Little Planet alone for good; hard to say how he came across the Phantom Ruby here; might be related to quantum mechanics and observation or some shit

>Sonic Forces

>Sonic Mania Adventures - Immediate continuation where Forces leaves off

>>14622191

>this post

After reading that I have a hard time not laughing at anons saying the lore in Sonic isn't schizophrenic and/or shit.

>>14622389

Modern Sega doesn't give a shit about the story, but up to '06 (or arguably Unleashed), they did. The people in charge now don't give a fuck, but the old games were clearly made with the stories of the previous ones in mind.

>>14622689

Yeah, I'd say treat the series' canon similar to how people treat the canon of the Sega's Shining series (Only canon games are the titles developed by Camelot, everything else released after Shining Force 3 exists in it's own universe…this is largely due to lore inconsistencies). Likewise, since Sonic '06 was developed as a reboot of the series, and majority of Sonic Team's staff were fired after the game bombed, might as well treat everything released afterwards (And possibly the game itself) as "non-canon".

>>14622796

>Likewise, since Sonic '06 was developed as a reboot of the series

Was Sonic 2 also a reboot? You'll notice that it doesn't reference any specific plot points from Sonic 1. Sure, Sonic, Eggman, and the Emeralds are there, but it's a totally different location, and they didn't even put the right number of emeralds!

>>14622975

http://www.gameinformer.com/themes/blogs/generic/post.aspx?WeblogApp=features&y=2016&m=11&d=09&WeblogPostName=where-sonic-went-wrong&PageIndex=1&PostPageIndex=3

>The name was chosen to mark the series' return to its roots and to celebrate the franchise's 15th anniversary

Also, Sonic 06 was the last Sonic game made, to date, that Yuji Naka (The former head of Sonic Team, and the guy who programmed the first fucking game) was involved with. Also, he is the last member of the original 1991 development team to leave Sega.

So, with that being said and ironically (Due to the plot), Sonic '06 is the last "canon" Sonic the Hedgehog game to be released and every game to come out since might as well be regarded on the same level as "fanfiction".

Which is also a little humorous since the best Sonic game to come out in years is also an "official fangame".

>>14623086

To be fair, the fanfic creators that came after '06 at least tried not to fuck with the lore. In fact, they tried not to have any story whatsoever.

>>14623121

Subtle lore is best lore. That's why people get autistic over the Zelda timeline, it's just subtle enough to be fun, but not so subtle as to actually fly over the heads even of actual fans, like Kirby. Sonic is similar in that it eventually evolved into having more explicit lore, but even those games also involve a lot of subtle, unspoken elements to their stories, and of course the early games are all relatively subtle like Zelda or Kirby.

>>14623121

that is disturbing

>>14589626

Sonichu spin-off when?

>>14631401

Sonichu took place in the games' universe long before actual Sonic comics did. If anything, this is a spinoff of Sonichu.

>>14627662

If there's one good thing Forces did, it's officially make animal people, that aren't Sonic's friends or enemies, actually exist. Now, the question is if we'll ever see any humans, besides Eggman, again.

>>14632952

The likely reason for lack of animal extras before was probably just lack of resources. It's harder to make them than to make generic human models that can be reused many times throughout the game without anyone giving a shit. And in the pre-adventure games there simply weren't any characters who weren't either playable or enemies anyway.

>Now, the question is if we'll ever see any humans, besides Eggman, again.

No, because '06 failed, so it retroactively means we have to throw out everything from every previous Sonic game except for Green Hill Zone.

>>14635380

Unleashed had humans, though.

>>14635429

Unleashed was like the transition game from '06 to Modern Sonic. They weren't ready to do away with all the autism yet, so they just tried to tone it down. They still had an open world, they still had a story about Eggman trying to control a god named after Greek mythology, they still had humans, they still had two playstyles. But in tone, everything was scaled back a bit. The plot was still much simpler, the humans were more cartoony, the open worlds were simpler, the two playstyles were both technically on Sonic. Then Colors came out and went a step further so there was nothing of the old games left.

>thread is so autistic it doesn't even need the second issue

>>14612788

Ken Penders and Chris Chan should do a collab for the lolz.

>>14639222

You've never read the Archie comics, have you? Comic Amy has always been a competent member of the team with less emphasis put on her fangirling. And I'm not sure why you're complaining about her wielding a hammer that she's had since Sonic the Fighters.

>>14639256

>You've never read the Archie comics, have you?

Not applicable.

>Comic Amy has always been a competent member of the team with less emphasis put on her fangirling.

IDW's stories are supposed to take place after Sonic Forces, in a version of the game universe. This is practically Sega mandate.

>And I'm not sure why you're complaining about her wielding a hammer that she's had since Sonic the Fighters.

Was not a complaint.

>>14639222

what if reason she has voids of darkness is because shes wearing nothing at all

>>14611744

>mad scientist tries to take over the world with 7 magical super stones

Not that complicated. Honestly, you Archiefags really need to read your own comics.

>>14639317

Nothing at all.

Nothing at all.

Nothing at all.

>>14641654

The game lore isn't that simple and you know it.

>>14641934

It is; autists make it complicated by trying to cram every single thing into a single continuity

>>14643030

Except it isn't. Even before Adventure, you had legends of ancient, dead civilizations, prophecies of terrible beasts, and mystical artifacts with mysterious histories. Just because you had to read the manuals for it doesn't mean it didn't exist. Most of the plot elements of Adventure had already been introduced through the backstories of the Genesis games.

>>14641885

>>>/tv/

>>14639275

>Not applicable.

It's the same team as before. Of course it's applicable. For all intents and purposes, they're continuing the series with just a slight reboot/Crisis, which they already did twice in the last few years.