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>>14409860

SOOOO HARD

public override byte[] Serialize() {
            MemoryStream mems = new MemoryStream();
            var writer = new BinaryWriter(mems);
            writer.Write((byte)(int)jt);
            writer.Write((byte)(int)et);
            writer.Write(defl);
            writer.Write(mlim);
            writer.Write(arctol);
            mems.Flush();
            return mems.GetBuffer();
        }
        public override void Deserialize(byte[] data) {
            MemoryStream mems = new MemoryStream(data);
            var reader = new BinaryReader(mems);
            jt = (JoinType)reader.ReadByte();
            et = (EndType)reader.ReadByte();
            defl = reader.ReadSingle();
            mlim = reader.ReadSingle();
            arctol = reader.ReadSingle();
        }

>>14409872

>happy birthday joe, it's me fred :DDD

>hi fred, thanks for telling me about this super cool anonymous image board!

>there are people in this thread RIGHT NOW that manually write serialization and deserialization code instead of writing a short script that takes a list of variables and spits out the code for you

>>14409876

Having a brother and being a namefag have nothing to do with each other, faggot.

>>14409881

yeah but how do i handle references between objects that need to both be serialized

>>14409893

You can make them as you serialize

You may even use the object's position in memory

>>14409926

please, have the IDs be longs, better in every single way than strings.

I am pretty sure you can count the universe's atoms in a long and still have remaining space

>>14409953

>2^64 = 18,446,744,073,709,551,616

>Allis also estimated the game-tree complexity (of chess) to be at least 10^123, "based on an average branching factor of 35 and an average game length of 80". As a comparison, the number of atoms in the observable universe, to which it is often compared, is roughly estimated to be 10^80.

So there's 5.42e+60 times more atoms than a long.

>>14409953

Atoms in the observable universe: 1e80

Max unsigned 64-bit integer: ~1.84e19

>>14409965

>>14409968

you are not running out of it, even if I was wrong about the atom thing

>>14409976

sry bro, no idea

>>14409976

besides the fact that it seems you are using a language whose indentation have semantic value, there seems to be no problem with the logic.

>>14409872

well at least it must be nice having a friend IRL that understands this place

>>14409973

You were right about using integer references. I'd say that using size_t or your language's equivalent, if available, is a best practice for that, though.

Or you can just not do it, since there are fucking mountains of serialization/deserialization libraries available for every fucking language. Capn Proto for schema-driven, and msgpack for schemaless (or json if you want/need a text format). It's pointless to roll your own serialization unless it's a learning exercise.

>>14409999

>It's pointless to roll your own serialization

You must never have had to deal with unity's serialization

>>14410004

I have not, but you don't have to roll your own from scratch to not use it. You can still use MessagePack or something. You can still use Protocol Buffers or Capn Proto and copy between their generated classes and your own. I never said that all serialization packages were good.

>>14410023

Unity don't like generics or 'not knowing set in stone the type of the thing you are serializing'

When I need to be able to serialize a subclass instance and revert back, I need to serialize as string the complete class name (in C# would be the Type's AssemblyQualifiedName), and then serialize to byte[] all of it's relevant data.

Unity sees string + byte[], but it is actually serializing a instance of a class that extends 'Processor'

Sure I could use a library to get the 'full class name' and the byte[], but I only need it in a couple of places, and choosing a library for that would take longer than just do it manually.

>>14409992

thanks polygon tits bro,

I was just unsure how to code "best fit",

so I ended up with that code after trial and error, without understanding it all

>>14410086

please note that i've wrote seems right, too tired to actually decipher it properly

>>14410066

If you want to do it by hand, that's fine, but you're setting yourself up for a lot of pain when your objects get significantly more complex, such as nested objects, lists, nullable fields, sum types (tagged unions), and the like. Hand-rolling is easy if you are serializing exactly one object that is always the same size on-disk. If that's your use-case and it's never going to expand, feel free.

And there's no reason Unity ever needs to see your serialization. Just don't use Unity's serialization, and don't directly serialize those types. You can use a proxy object, and set up whatever C# Unity object you have to be constructable from the proxy object, so you can load in your serialized object directly and then throw it right into your class's constructor to build it up. There are a thousand ways you can do it so that Unity doesn't have to even be aware of the serialization directly, as long as you know how to store and restore the important state.

>>14410153

We live in the same house, and we usually don't get the same ID, but today we have it

>>14410176

korioth and kyron?

>>14410336

that tabletop simulator?

>>14410343

Yep. Made the character specifically for it.

>>14410348

that's pretty neat, did you do other stuffs for it?

>>14410353

>am I supposed to keep it all in a single struct that keeps all of the relevant data

That's generally what you want to do anyway, it makes things a lot easier to reason with and it's faster

>>14410336

>>14410348

nice stuff

>>14410421

Gee anon, you really like ghosts, the most boring type of them all

>>14410421

i just think there are too many psychic and ghost types

>>14410429

>>14410426

yeah no fucking shit

too many darks too, but there's no types more fitting

>>14410352

Yeah I've got like 70ish models on the workshop, all of them for 40k.

>>14410438

keep up the good work and try not to get sued

>>14410099

first, checked those triple dubs

second, I'm already wondering how I would be able to do this with godot, any hints?

from what I've understood from the docs you can just serialize any object, it will retain its size when reading

>>14410442

Thanks, I've had these models on for long enough to where I think GW either doesn't care or can't really do anything about it. I'm not selling these off or anything.

>>14410623

It can't be worse than that one asshole who tried to define in a Python tutorial, "syntax" as "the extra money you pay for cigarettes"

>>14410667

>"the extra money you pay for cigarettes"

What the fuck is this bullshit?

>>14410667

I'll let you judge.

Imagine you are a contestant in a TV reality game. You are standing in a

clearing in the jungle. Several other competitors stand beside you. You’re

all very nervous and excited because the winner gets to date Cameron

Diaz… and the losers have to watch. Sweat is dripping from your forehead,

your hands are clammy, and you cast nervous glances at the other competitors.

The bronzed, anvil-chinned TV host steps forward and hands a goldtrimmed

envelope to each competitor. He steps back and orders you all to

rip open your envelopes. The first person to complete the instructions will

be the winner. You frantically tear away at the paper. Inside is a note. It

says:

I’m waiting for you in a secret location. Please hurry, it’s very hot in

here. You can reach the location by following the vectors (–5, 5), (0,

–10), (13, 7), (–4, 3).

Cameron

With a smile on your face you watch the rest of the competitors sprint off

in the direction of the first vector. You do a few calculations on the back of

the envelope and then set off in a completely different direction at a leisurely

stroll. By the time the other competitors reach Cameron’s hideout,

sweating like old cheese and gasping for breath, they can hear your playful

giggles and the splash of cool shower water…

>>14410710

It's a pun. "Syntax" sounds like "sin tax". Cigarettes are heavily taxed, and are a vice, so that extra money on top of the base cost is a "sin tax".

Any anons have advice for coming up with puzzles for am rpg? Ideally they'd be themed for each dungeon but first I'd like to come up with some that aren't just 'murder everything in the room' or 'push blocks'.

>>14410734

Push blocks AND push balls. Balls roll until they hit something. Blocks move 1 tile. Figure out how to get balls onto switches but blocks can also weigh down switches so it seems like there's more than one plausible solution.

Miner Bob: Pickin' up a nugget

Miner Bob: Ah'm leavin' the gold mine with mah pockets full o' sweet gold

Miner Bob: Goin' to the bank. Yes siree

Elsa: Walkin' to the can. Need to powda mah pretty li'l nose

Elsa: Ahhhhhh! Sweet relief!

Elsa: Leavin' the john

Miner Bob: Depositin' gold. Total savings now: 4

Miner Bob: Leavin' the bank

Miner Bob: Walkin' to the gold mine

Elsa: Walkin' to the can. Need to powda mah pretty li'l nose

Elsa: Ahhhhhh! Sweet relief!

Elsa: Leavin' the john

Miner Bob: Pickin' up a nugget

Elsa: Moppin' the floor

Miner Bob: Pickin' up a nugget

Miner Bob: Ah'm leavin' the gold mine with mah pockets full o' sweet gold

Miner Bob: Boy, ah sure is thusty! Walkin' to the saloon

Elsa: Moppin' the floor

Miner Bob: That's mighty fine sippin' liquor

Miner Bob: Leavin' the saloon, feelin' good

Miner Bob: Walkin' to the gold mine

Elsa: Makin' the bed

Miner Bob: Pickin' up a nugget

Miner Bob: Ah'm leavin' the gold mine with mah pockets full o' sweet gold

Miner Bob: Goin' to the bank. Yes siree

68 | Chapter 2

Introducing Elsa

Figure 2.5. Elsa’s state transition diagram. The global state is not shown in the figure

because its logic is effectively implemented in any state and never changed.

Elsa: Walkin' to the can. Need to powda mah pretty li'l nose

Elsa: Ahhhhhh! Sweet relief!

Elsa: Leavin' the john

Miner Bob: Depositin' gold. Total savings now: 5

Miner Bob: Woohoo! Rich enough for now. Back home to mah li'l lady

Miner Bob: Leavin' the bank

Miner Bob: Walkin' home

Elsa: Walkin' to the can. Need to powda mah pretty li'l nose

Elsa: Ahhhhhh! Sweet relief!

Elsa: Leavin' the john

Miner Bob: ZZZZ…

>>14410745

Hmm. Well, it's something. I could probably throw together a puzzle where the player would have to use the blocks to set up the balls to hold switches first.

Anyone know how many kinds of puzzles old snes era rpgs tended to have?

As I posted at the tail end of the last thread, I realized graph theory can be used in a lot of places. Now I just need to figure out how to like, make a nice, flexible graph framework

>>14410815

>Anyone know how many kinds of puzzles old snes era rpgs tended to have?

Not many people know this but all the puzzles for RPGs are literally exactly the same. They're all just poorly made sprite swaps.

UGold RPGdev,

Started taking apart old code and putting it back together with more sanity checks and optimizations. 300 lines on one went to like 120 or so, due to a lot of copy-pasted checks that could be done through method implementation to do the same code 6 times. I'm now putting the code for a mutator, a player replication info, and a level up item together to create a functioning leveling system. The stats/leveling system works like this:

> Controller (PlayerPawn) has the current global party level variable, as well as a Player Replication Info actor, which has an array of structs to contain int variables and short strings.

> Strength, Dexterity, Intelligence stats are held by Puppet(s) (ScriptedActor),

> Mutator is called on by in-game interaction to set up the Puppet's stats based on the global level integer, modifying Puppet's max health, action points, damage, max "magic" points, "magic" damage.

> Mutator assigns these variables and the name/object class of the target Puppet to the player replication info, then saves all struct array values to a .ini file (over glorified text file).

In case I need to spawn a new puppet, it should load all of the information that needs to be loaded into the struct array(s). The reason for this is because if I lose a pawn somehow or need to spawn a pawn for the RPG combat mode, I can load these variables from the .ini or struct array to spawn a new puppet. This is also useful for drawing menus to display stats. More has to be done, but that's where I'm at. New HUD screenshots when I get home I think, if it works.

That guy whos making the strategy game with the rain webm,you still around? hows it going?

>>14411720

Also I've been mulling over ideas for how high stats could potentially get. Base of each stat is 15, multiplied by a focus number. Focus starts at 1, focus is modified by subclass selected, so for example a strength/dex subclass plus a dex class, so that would make strength's focus number 3 and dex's focus number 2. Also I only want the player to get up to level 10, there just is no reason to have a stupid high level. Also only 10 stages in my mod, just gotta theme 'em properly. So 1 level per stage, no grinding, levels gained from bosses a la Metal Gear Solid, levels shared amongst the whole party because individual leveling just pans a game out and makes it a boring grind, no exceptions. Level up is caused by getting a thing from bosses and doing… something with it, not sure yet. Also each level unlocks a new ability, abilities of your second subclass are only unlocked one-by-one after level 5.

So the highest a stat can get would be 35, due to a subclass restriction of only 2.

Stat = (statfocus*level) + stat.default

>>14411881

I should also point out subclass 2 can only be assigned once your party is level 5.

>>14412256

nah, i have options, they're just really tedious

either i make duplicate classes for all of my visual scripting just so i can save stuff, or when saving i go through every single node and check it's fields to see what i have to save/load

and then i still have to mess with id's for object references

>>14412276

>face edit

>brick floor

really activates my almond

>>14410099

you have to use Unity's serialization if you want to have hotswap during playmode

>>14412370

Let me test it boyo. I've played video games since I was 2 years old and I've developed a good feel for shooters. A good sway is the basis for a good feel of movement. Don't fuck it up!

>>14412421

>>14412434

>>14412421

oof I fatfingered a reply button

Anyway, yeah once I got a playable demo with the basic gameplay cycle, I'll post it on a demoday. I hope I won't get torn to shreds too hard.

>>14412474

would hold gently

Guess not,if you're around let me know how your project is going.

>>14411659

>If you're a beginner and want an intermediate course in c++ try to implement a poorly documented toolkit with an inactive community into your code.

This is actually how I learned c/c++. Running around like a madman trying to get x11 to work with opengl/at all.

>>14412813

maybe what is happening here is that Unity is processing buffered I/O. So, if you press and hold 'x', this will start generating a ton of keypress messages, and buffering them in a message queue. So, what happens is. you will generate a ton of key press messages and then eventually, the program will handle all of them, ensuring that it doesn't lose any keypresses. For example if you have ever used a program that has a text box, and you are typing into it, and then the program hangs and stops updating the text box, if you keep typing eventually it will stop hanging and then process all of the queued key presses, putting all of that text into the text box. When without this system everything you typed during the hang is lost.

So, let's imagine that in your unity editor, it undoes things slower than you are generating the buffered key press messages, so that means the longer you hold down ctrl+z the more messages are queued up, because it can't process them at the same rate you send them, and so when you let go, it still has all of those key presses in its queue, and none of them have been lost. So, it continues to process everything and no input is lost, causing the scenario that you just experienced.

So, while this design is very useful, and its very reasonable for it to exist as the default way to handle keyboard input and this is generally the way that window managers like win32 and X11 handle it (programs would be pretty bad if dropping keypresses on any kind of slowdown was the default behavior), Unity should have just read the state of the buttons directly to see if it should have performed an undo (so that it ONLY does an undo if you are holding the buttons RIGHT THEN) instead of checking the buffered I/O queue for the keypresses.

>>14412813

both, the 'undo' action took longer than your keyboard spammed the ctrl+z command (this speed probably can be adjusted in the keyboard options is the OS), so it added up more and more keyboard events.

Unity can only either do that or miss input events from time to time (Which I consider worse). It can't do neither

>>14412859

>>14412876

Interesting. Could Unity somehow differentiate which ctrl+z's in the buffer were "held down" and which were "pressed once"? There is no sense in executing undoes from a buffer if the user just held down the keys because there is no chance he knew where exactly he'd end up like in my case and undoing should be cut short when keys are no longer pressed. But if the user was pressing ctrl+z fast enough to add, for example, 10 presses to the queue, it's obvious he knows exactly how many undoes he wants so no problem with executing those.

>>14412923

nope, or so I assume, you would have to research how (I assume you use) Windows' events work, but i'd guess it just repeats ctrl+z presses without telling it was because the button was held down.

Also, although there is some solutions to your specific situation, they would break other's.

It's a trade off

alright, someone tell me if this is a stupid serialization solution or not, because it's gonna take forever to make

base class, inherits from scriptable object which is why i can't directly save it to a file

    public virtual List<object> Save()
    {
        return null;
    }
    public virtual void Load(List<object> _sf)
    {
        //load whatever values child classes have from saveFields
    }

example from a child class which represents a bool

    public override List<object> Save()
    {
        List<object> saveFields = new List<object>();
        saveFields.Add(value);
        return saveFields;
    }
    public override void Load(List<object> _sf)
    {
        value = (bool)_sf[0];
    }

and then in the manager script for all the save stuff, i save an object which has a ton of List<objects> for each character*node*value

and when loading, for each list of lists of lists … i set the values to the appropriate existing object

>>14412996

>tell me if this is a stupid serialization solution or not

yes, the input and output are not byte[], so I'd rate it stupid/10

>>14413022

>>14412996

well it worked, at least for the bool node

now i just need to do it for around 15 or so classes, and every time i make a new inherited node class

thanks unity :^)

>>14410421

Just use these typings from second chart there.

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Touhoudex/Type_Chart

And use this for reference.

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Touhoudex_2/Touhoudex_2

>>14410421

>the fairy is not fairy typed

>>14412923

Easily

Ones that are followed by a key up event are pressed, ones that are held are followed by a key down event.

The problem of holding down can be then be solved by having a set max iterations of undos per second when in a held down state.

>>14412996

For the load method can’t u just use a generic? No need to manually do type conversions

>>14412813

why don't you use version control

also, why are you using unity

>>14413594

don't i need to know exactly how many types i'm working with? either way i still need to specifically choose which variables get saved or not

>>14413626

Sounds like a job for reflection

>>14413661

doesn't matter, i'm done by now and i don't see much of a point in changing it

>>14413513

i'm too much of bitter and stubborn old man to relearn a new set of types and weaknesses

>>14413554

>fairy typing in gen 3

>>14413756

>making a romhack

>implying I would add anything that's not already in the game

Does anyone know of a game that takes the "billboard" 2D sprite kind of look (a la classic Doom) and just gone fucking crazy with it?

I was thinking, the reason the billboard effect looks like shit (see Mario Kart 64) is because the artists were limited by memory. There was only so much room on a cart or CD, and buy the time storage mediums had caught up the industry had more or less moved onto 3D. So at best we're talking maybe 8 angles of rotation that were captured for the sprite sheet (front, back, left, right, and the four diagonals). But what if, using something like Blender, I captured 16 angles? 32? I mean, I should be able to have megahuge sprite sheets these days in most engines, correct?

So in the same way Donkey Kong Country was able to display 3D models that the SNES hardware could never ever render in realtime by pre-rendering them into sprite sheets, how many angles would it take to become fairly convincing? Because we can still pre-render models that even high end PCs would struggle to render in real time (and bake in certain effects that would be expensive to do real time).

I was also thinking that with the overhead this might save, could we have actual, serious crowds that are more than blobs of units like in Total War games? Could we actually have 50+ independently acting billboard baddies?

Obviously I can test this stuff out but I wanted to hear from the community before wasting my time.

>>14413838

>So in the same way Donkey Kong Country was able to display 3D models that the SNES hardware could never ever render in realtime by pre-rendering them into sprite sheets, how many angles would it take to become fairly convincing?

You can look at gameplay of Sanic 3D Blast on the Genesis, that uses 16 directions for at least Sonic himself. If that doesn't look smooth enough for you, then 32 would be enough in my opinion.

>>14413838

Once your billboards reach a certain resolution and you add a shitton of angles and frames, they'll end up using way more memory and GPU processing power than a similar, decently optimized game using 3D models. Alpha transparency is also surprisingly taxing on memory bandwidth and it gets worse as your rendering resolution goes up.

>>14413883

>Alpha transparency is also surprisingly taxing on memory bandwidth and it gets worse as your rendering resolution goes up.

easy solution to that, just break your images up into smaller images with very little transparency

>>14413838

Use billboards for distant LOD. 32 angles times 7 vertical angles, plus 90 degree verticals.

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=44KZ0neSz7E

These guys got 65,536 enemies onscreen at once on a goddamn PS2.

>>14413882

Nice example, thanks anon.

>>14413883

>>14413896

I assumed there would be issues, the industry must have not gone this way for a reason and I'm hardly the first person to think of it.

>>14413907

Impressive as fuck, damn.

>>14413711

I'm retarded, I thought this was a scene at a monastery or something at first glance. Like I thought the leg bones were candles or people, and the ass curvature was a fancy window overlooking a blue sky or something

>>14413838

Would you rather have a 4k texture that only shows some of the possible actions, or have a 128x128 texture with a few extra bytes of memory dedicated to describing vertices, transforms, and an animation, and be able to view it from any side, angle, or action?

Hint: You can also do an in-place render to make it look like a prerendered sprite, then draw it to the scene

>>14413969

Well how did you to do the transform to project the black guy into a 2D object? Do most transform models not have an inverse transform thing you can use to undo it?

>>14413959

Yeah, these days billboards are mostly used for LOD. They're a useful trick if you know where to use them, but using them carelessly can absolutely murder performance in memory-bound situations.

>>14413989

        public static List<Vector2> Planify3Dto2DPoints(Vector3[] points, Plane _plane, out Vector3 centroid) {
            Vector3 sum = Vector3.zero;
            foreach (Vector3 mv in points) {
                sum += mv;
            }

            return Planify3Dto2DPoints(points, centroid = sum / points.Length, _plane);
        }

        public static List<Vector2> Planify3Dto2DPoints(Vector3[] points, Vector3 centroid, Plane _plane) {
            List<Vector2> m_points = new List<Vector2>();
            var rotation = Quaternion.LookRotation(_plane.normal) * Quaternion.FromToRotation(Vector3.forward, Vector3.up);
            for (int i = 0; i < points.Length; i++) {
                var vec = RotatePointAroundPivot(points[i], centroid, rotation);
                m_points.Add(new Vector2(vec.x, vec.z));
            }
            return m_points;
        }

        public static Vector3 RotatePointAroundPivot(Vector3 point, Vector3 pivot, Quaternion angles) {
            return angles * (point - pivot) + pivot;
        }

Let me tell you this was mostly done in try and error without understanding the underlying maths behind it.

I tried reversing this, but got some very strange results

>>14414014

my attempt at the reverse operation

        public static List<Vector3> Spacefy2Dto3DPoints(Vector2[] points, Vector3 centroid, Plane _plane) {
            List<Vector3> m_points = new List<Vector3>();
            //var tmp = centroid.y;
            //centroid.y = centroid.z;
            //centroid.z = tmp;
            var rotation = Quaternion.LookRotation(_plane.normal);
            for (int i = 0; i < points.Length; i++) {
                Vector2 v3 = new Vector3(points[i].x, 0, points[i].y);
                var vec = RotatePointAroundPivot(points[i], Vector3.zero, rotation);

                m_points.Add(new Vector3(vec.x, vec.y, vec.z));
            }
            return m_points;
        }

"Lighting artists lay out all of the light sources in the game world, both

static and dynamic, and work with color, intensity and light direction to

maximize the artfulness and emotional impact of each scene."

Can you imagine having a job this mindless?

>>14413967

The monastery is not for lewd. >>14414020

> we just successfully navigated the uncanny valley, right?

Except you'd be limited by the framerate you capture the sprites, and the sprites' lighting wouldn't change at all.

>>14414031

Lighting is actually a pretty huge part of making a game look pretty, and it takes a bit of effort to get it right.

>>14414031

Good lighting is one of the big factors that separate an amateur looking game from a professional looking game. It's more difficult than it seems on the surface to get right.

>>14414050

Thanks for thinking through this with me, anons.

>>14414056

>lighting

>surface

Heh

>>14414056

Let's not pretend they're doing anything other than moving pre-built sliders back and forth until it looks nice

>>14413995

wait until she is fully animated and bouncy

>>14413967

Its indeed a holy thing

>>14413711

I tried a thigh bone too but found it less realistic than using butt bones that have gradually lower weights towards the thighs (thigh jiggle really is subtle, and goes in conjunction with butt jiggle).

It also made it easier to work with, as its fewer bones, and fewer touch ups I had to do for my jiggle system (spring damper soft body dynamics).

>Sort of like the way XNA handled Vector2 but hate the library

>Love SFML, but find it's basic Vector2f class lacking

>Extension methods can only carry me so far

>Remember there's explicit conversion so what about … implicit conversion?

>Make my own Vector2 struct and make it implicit to Vector2f

>Suddenly, they are interchangeable and any compiled code from SFML that needs a 2f, can just take my Vector2 instead (provided the base data, X and Y, is set up the same, which it is)

Holy shit this is really cool

>>14414115

Any action sounds dull once you reduce it to the raw motions: pressing raised surfaces in the correct order, wiping a stick with wet fibres over a canvas, and so on. If you view every action in isolation and ignore the wider context, everything you create will be a disjointed mess.

>>14414115

Here's an actual lighting artist talking at length about his job.

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=avKlUcx3TlE

Skip to 1:20 to get the actual guy talking, skip to 9:15 to skip to him telling you what he does.

>>14414242

>Any action sounds dull once you reduce it to the raw motions

Except some actions ARE essentially just their raw motions. Artists should be treated like assembly line workers, because the majority of them are completely incapable of being anything else. It's just nicer to move sliders around than to work in a cannery.

>>14414325

>someone else said something similar

>you must be the same person!

>>14414371

You need more images.

>>14414394

I have as much time and autism as I need to make a game without wage slaving or hiring a guy to move sliders around.

>>14414421

>I have as much time and autism as I need to make a game

Assuming you're 18-25, you probably only have about 30-40 years, or approximately 350,400 manhours, or about 116,800h factoring in sleep, meals, life, etc. It's a very finite amount.

>>14414429

thanks anon, when I said I had as much time as I needed I wasn't implying I was immortal.

>>14414421

Then learn it yourself, faggot. There's a lot more to getting lighting right than moving some sliders even if you're baking everything or using some fancy global illumination system.

Gamehut, the TT guy who makes videos about various tricks he pulled off on the Genesis, just started a series explaining (in very simple terms) how to actually develop for the Genesis.

>>14414855

That channel is 90% clickbait titles and patting himself on the back he's a good programmer, though, so I'm optimistic

>>14414864

You are just jelly.

>>14414873

>IMPOSSIBLE animation on the sega genesis???

>I compressed it and then stretched it vertically

>>14414880

Well, I am sure that many folk wanted to know how he did it and he gave you the answer while getting ad revenue from idiots with an eyecatching thumbnail. As I said, Jell-O.

Audio math is scary

http://archive.is/wVGXm

Anon, I found the perfect game jam for you!

https://itch.io/jam/non-game-jam

>>14415342

>https://itch.io/jam/non-game-jam/topic/191000/assets-pack-for-sale-you-can-use-it-in-your-jam

I feel like this was just a contrived way for him to shill something

>>14415376

once I realized that nearly every tutorial or event is just a way for people to part goys with their shekels, things started making a lot more sense

>why are there so many godawful tutorials out there?

>oh, they're shilling their game

>>14415376

>five ninety-nine you ess dollars

wew

>>14415342

Somebody submit a walking simulator.

>>14417372

Better that then never.

>>14416911

I know its harder with them applied i applied them on Adam too but for me its worth as i can make the weights more precise

By the way Shinobro, are you going to rip her voice and lines from the animes? I think it would add a lot to her, i wanna hear the Kaka when she smugs

>>14416998

its prettier without it

>>14417500

Anon, if I was to go with mother nature's opinion or yours, I'd say I'd go with mother nature

>>14417620

C++ is almost entirely backwards compatible with C, so a C++ compiler will eat almost any C code. As a result there is nothing forcing you to use all of C++'s features you consider bloated. Just restrict yourself to a sensible subset of the language.

>>14417620

You should ignore what >>14417645 says and use C11.

>>14409868

http://bitsquid.blogspot.nl/2009/10/two-way-serialization-function.html

>>14417656

Why though? Haven't looked into newer versions of C yet. Currently have to learn Python.

>>14417620

C#

>>14417620

Sounds like excuses to not get anything done.

>>14417500

>its prettier without it

sure thing, forget the knuckles, but hands do have a shell like curvature to them

>>14411720

What's the legal situation of using the old Unreal? Are you bound by the terms of the modern engine or is it something entirely different?

>>14417500

You won't get the better precision you are looking for and it will be a waste of time.

>>14416911

Show us that in motion because it looks absolutely terrifying

>>14417500

>are you going to rip her voice and lines from the animes?

No that would be a nightmare to clean the audio up. Probably gonna hire a voice actress but way later in the future. Also I really really think you should not apply the subdiv modifier. You don't really get extra precision. All you get is 0.5 more weight more control on the middle of a vertex. Which you won't notice if you compare them side by side. You also defeat the purpose of topology by applying it. I really think you should work on the subdiv version.

>>14417963

>More bloated than C++

I'm not a fan of rust but that is not humanly possible

Also if you think C is bloated or convoluted you might have brain problems

>>14413969

Have you tried changing the output types to Vector3 and returning the result of RotatePointAroundPivot directly, instead of Vector2(vec.x, vec.z)?

>>14418382

>I'm just aiming for anime style in 3D

>instead of proportions resembling humans

>what could go wrong?

does someone have that $2000 commission that was floating around here a while back? whatever happened to that guy?

>>14418353

I didn't mean to imply C was bloated, probably should have stuck with convoluted.

>>14417677

>not making an insect vidya

Goddammit Anon.

>>14418638

I gonna modify the knuckle a bit, also that is the old hand, the pink nail one is the more up to date, the pinky side of the hand has been fixed already

>>14418562

>>14418665

there will be insects to collect Animal Crossing-style and their extracts will be used for Alchemy

>>14417677

1 3 and 4 aren't spiders

from somebody who is anal about their arachnids.

>>14418690

>from somebody who is anal about their arachnids.

Do they feel good in there?

>>14418701

Cheeky bastard,you know what i meant,i love tarantulas.

>>14418705

I'll have you know camel spiders are beautiful too,they just need the shade from you.

>>14418718

Look up hyllus giganteus,the biggest jumping spiders around and yet they're still small as hell and adorable.

>>14418871

>You gotta understand that gatekeeping and preventing people from getting into games by being elitist is just lame - same goes for people getting into gamedev for various reasons.

I'm uploading the book for everyone to read, nigger, I'm not gatekeeping anything.

>>14418881

>There's probably a bit of good information hidden in here but it's mostly for laughing at.

I was assuming you were implying that what was contained in the book was all babby tier laughable shit, and I assumed you were in particular referring to the griefing section.

>>14418888

Some of it is good, like explaining how to add landmarks to stop the player from getting lost. If you're tired after a long day, anon, don't go online and put yourself at the mercy of strangers. It's just not good for you.

>>14418888

Waste of quads.

>>14418902

I'm addicted to videogames and sometimes when I'm tired but restless I keep playing because what the fuck else am I gonna do? Devving when tired like that results in garbage code that needs refactoring right after anyway so there's no real point.

>>14418904

It's a good thing we don't have a limited supply of those, right?

If it's worth anything, I've looked through dozens of books that are absolute garbage. I haven't come across a Unity related book that's up to the standards of any other industry. Game development books tend to cover a very rigid series of steps without actually explaining anything, which is great for pajeets who want to clone existing games, and outright harmful to everyone else.

>>14419002

She was disappointed, particularly when

she noticed he was using all sorts of moves she had never seen before.

There was nothing about those moves in the manual, so she asked

him where he had learned them. He replied that he had learned these

moves just by pushing the buttons a lot. This made her quite unhappy

with the game, so much so that she ceased to play it. The machine

as a ‘foe’ became a barrier to her enjoyment.

Thus, to avoid creating these barriers for a percentage of the potential

audience, the game mechanics should be intuitive and easy to

learn.

>>14419020

Are you referring to the concept of a copy constructor?

>>14419095

That doesn't sound unrealistic to me, I think you could leverage inheritance in a way that enables that

So I'm learning that creating fun, turn-based, rpg battle systems is actually really hard. I've been playing other RPG's recently and I can't seem to think up a system that's a good balance between strategy and tedium. For example, most jrpgs become tedium once you figure out the optimal strategy.

>This boss needs me to take advantage of debuffs

>This enemy is weak to x so just spam x

>This enemy is weak to nothing, better tank up or fish for crits

>I need x healers and the rest on dps to win this battle via attrition

>This boss is on a timer, better guard every n-th turn

Once you find the strategy in these types of games, the fun just kind of disappears. Usually the enemy can do things like call for backup or land a crit, but not much can keep you on your toes once you've found the way to victory. I've thought of a few ways to counter this, but I'd like to hears some thoughts on what people consider fun turn-based combat.

>>14419202

Thanks my dude.

>>14419287

Are you talking about JRPGs specifically? I really liked the pseudo-rhythm combat of Mother 3

>>14418871

How the hell can you prevent people from getting into games? Is there anyone whose first game was a multiplayer one where you can grief people?

Sage for offtopic

>>14419393

>talking about videogames on /v/

i'd sage too

>>14419351

Not necesarily JRPG's. For example, Darkest Dungeon has some satisfying turn-based combat, and has this rare issue where the combat itself isn't tedious but the overarching gameplay is. Mother 3 is decent, the combat's not very deep but learning the rhythms of the background music was a cool way to incorporate some realtime elements into a turn-based battle. Same with the rolling health meter, it's always a great feeling when you don't heal someone who's health is rolling to zero and you manage to get some hits in and end up saving them in the nick of time.

>>14419417

Oh yeah the health meter was cool. I agree with the Darkest Dungeon sentiments as well, I liked the all the positional elements in it.

>>14419287

Team building is usually a lot of fun for me in RPGs. Have you played the Labyrinth of Touhou series? It has team building - which you can change on the fly and adapt to what you need, as even inactive chars get like 85% of the active party's XP - some degree of meaningful resource management in dungeons, and a good deal of strategy in boss fights because of its active/reserve party system where you have to cycle through who's actively fighting to keep your characters OK on health and mana and have everyone who's low rest up, doubly important since the only way to revive team members is to return to town so you better fucking keep them alive.

>>14419287

I remember playing an old flash game a while back, on the hardest difficulty you only had a short time to make a move, and on top of managing mana, cooldowns, and a shitton of buffs and debuffs, and also how you built your character was important too.

any recommendations for a good starting point to program enemies in 3d in godot

>>14419236

Any idea what I should be looking into to figure this one out?

>>14420834

Why do you need to clone something out of memory? I can't guarantee help but I'm interested

>>14418783

I own a hardcopy of this book. Very good read; it's not for beginners to programming, nor does it explain general programming patterns. Instead, it covers the design aspects of the language, the needs of C# and how and why it works the way it does under the hood. It gives you a good appreciation for applying best practices.

Notable C# experts on Stack Overflow, whose answers are usually fantastic: Jon Skeet, Eric Lippert, Hans Passant, Marc Gravell, and Reed Copsey. Skeet is basically autistic about C# and more or less works exclusively in it and knows it very well, and Eric worked on the C# Microsoft compiler team. Any of their blogs/articles/publications are absolutely worth reading

>>14418939

>85,000 bytes

The fuck kind of object would ever get that big? The only thing I can think of is a non-managed texture object, that gets cleaned up by you (or your engine) anyways, or an array that's huge.

85,000 bytes is over 20,000 integers, or roughly a texture of 145x145 or greater, using a 32-bit format (eg RGBA).

>>14418164

Older versions of Unreal are completely free to use. The Killing Floor 2 devs intentionally used Unreal Engine 3 and reverse engineered features of 4 to get around having to pay Epic.

>>14421431

Have you ever generated a mesh at runtime?

>>14421743

Nigga jesus christ just use 2 classes

>InventoryInfo

>WorldItem (contains an InventoryInfo, exists in the world)

When the layer picks up a WorldItem, its InventoryInfo is added to his Inventory and the WorldItem is destroyed.

>>14421757

Okay, well I might be retarded. How would this work if my InventoryInfo is wildly different depending on the item? What if the item has, say, a simulation of a pocket universe that has to be precisely replicated when the item is spawned back into the world?

>>14421743

What's the difference between "every single variable of a thing" and a thing itself? If you have all the information representing a thing, why would you not have a thing? As for the concept of things, can't you just have an array of references to a class that you subtype for different types of data?

>>14421764

It sort of sounds like you just need genericization on the part of the information and a regular interface for the inventory to access it. That's a strange example

>spiders and lewd hand posting

>I haven't even begun to shitpost yet

interesting adgdgdgdgdgdgdgdg this time

>>14421908

Well I mean it depends on what you're doing with it. If you're just jerking off there's not much fun to be had in focusing on your dick only.

>>14421997

Yeah I don't really know what's up with that. I'm personally a massively abrasive, snooty cunt and I've been trying to work on that for a while now. I'm not sure what's the common trait that gamedev autists share.

>>14421908

She has taste.

>>14422036

you dirty fucking cisgender christian white neurotypical ableist males how dare you for some of us walking is a challenge in itself how dare you games should be playable even if you can't see the mouse behind your fat rolls

>>14422036

Is running a gameplay?

>>14422036

>customization will increase player attachment

which amounted to "look at our cookie cutter configuration no.4"

>use the player character to determine game metrics

which amounts to "random npc spouts hey I know you did that thing"

>walking is not gameplay

arguably this is wrong as I'd say that can be a game mechanic which could be made into gameplay but no one bothers figuring out something fun

>use the player character to reflect their in-game status

no one has ever done this correctly

>companions and spc require a fair amount of work to get right. make them compliment the player character

it's the other way round, make the player compliment the companions since the player has greater control of their character and thus would be better fitted to change based upon how the companions handle situations

>balance multiple player characters to maximize effectiveness

kinda a obvious point

>give your npc gameplay funchtions

usually amounts to "a key for a door or take damage/do damage"

>>14422085

>arguably this is wrong as I'd say that can be a game mechanic which could be made into gameplay but no one bothers figuring out something fun

But anon Gone Homo has a great walking gameplay mechanic :^)

>>14422097

walking gameplay can be summed up as movement gameplay which is the foundation of fps games, sidescrollers, platformers and fighting games. to exclude it out of design on the whole does nothing but ruin the potential of your game tbh

>>14420535

>recommendations for a good enemies in 3d

what kind of game? also seconding this for an arpg

>in godot

look at the available nodes and their signals, then use whatever seems useful raycast, animation trees and visibility notifier

>>14422005

If you figure it out, post the answer.

>Want to get along with others, and always be reserved and polite when I'm with unfamiliar people.

>Think I'm having a perfectly pleasant conversation with varied company at a party or something.

>Afterwards, people close to me ask why I was being such a condescending asshole to people in that conversation.

This has happened with entirely different sets of people too many times to be a coincidence, so there's clearly something wrong with the way I conduct myself. The current theory is that I'm abrasively opinionated even when not trying to be, and try to simultaneously ingratiate and emotionally distance myself from people through humor and ribbing that are too harsh for most people's tastes.

>/agdg/ - Antisocial Guilt Diagnosis General

>>14422174

You at least got called out as an asshole IRL. I on multiple occasions have conducted myself as a completely irredeemable asshole to a degree where even anons called me out. That there was a wakeup call.

>>14422229

*called out on being an asshole

english iz hard comrade

>>14422163

>what kind of game?

Third person is the only definite thing right now. I'm just learning Godot and have player movement, a basic camera, menus, and some more. I've got a box that damages the player already. Now I need to figure out a way to add weapons and attack.

>>14422229

try having everyone you know and think that are your friends suddenly turn on you because you were so unaware of how obnoxious you were and end up with a rep for being a massive faggot but the worst part of it is being made out to be a pedophile because those same people used a lie against me spreading it around to such an extent that fuckers who weren't even apart of the whole drama bullshit know of me and to stay away due to it

>>14422276

I was stupid to do so, but at the time I felt like anons were to a degree a "friendly" presence. Like, I totally get what you're saying, since I'm sure it's much more of a shitty thing face-to-face, but at the time it felt like the only place I felt like had people with a similar mindset just ripped into my ass like hounds. I was shocked at my own reaction, really - it honestly hurt, like a long-time friend turned on me.

>but the worst part of it is being made out to be a pedophile because those same people used a lie against me

Did the lie have any truth to it? What caused the lie?

>>14422306

Ah, so just the classic zero-tolerance smear. Cunts. I know it might not feel like it, but they were not worth being friends with.

>>14422314

it's less that I lost those people but more they prevented me from gaining new ones

>>14422319

I dunno how to even deal with that, man. Sorry that happened to you.

>>14422350

what game are you working on?

hey guys I heard c8f4dc is a pedophile

>>14422428

Really? What a sick fuck. Don't be friends with that guy.

>>14421843

I'm very sorry to be bringing my problem up to the top again, but I'm kinda bottlenecked with this inventory shit right now - I can't continue devving until I figure it out because I gotta add weapons and equipment and shit

>>14419002

i read the whole book a couple years back. surprisingly good read; it basically explains why women suck at games. they want the game to handhold them all the way through. i might be misremembering it, though.

>>14421743

>>14422497

Have you considered just not rendering the object anymore, and making the inventory just pointers to objects?

Say you have a Gun:pickupObject, and instead of deleting it when picked up you just remove it from the world but keep it in memory, and then taking it back out of your inventory you just place the actor back in the world at the new position.

>>14422529

You're right, that's definitely a way to do it. Any idea how to properly achieve that in UE4? It seems that destroying the object actually removes any trace of it. Should I just stop it from ticking, make it invisible and let it sit in space like a ghost?

>>14422492

rule number 1: be attractive being attractive and being good looking are two different things and most people can be attractive

>>14422075

only if you can jump and there are obstacles to jump over

>>14422573

Anon, that's absolutely not true. Charisma is a skill that can be learned.

>>14422714

my natural inclination would be to pronounce it as singapor though it'd come out like slagopor, what you could do though is have a sub title that's easier which could also be used as referring to it specially if it can be a good abbreviation on

>>14422720

A subtitle is fun. That's a great idea, anon, thanks!

Alright /agdg/, I want to get into this game dev shit but I'm retarded and know only the bare basics of technical stuff that comes with development. Tried reading through SICP but my acoustic brain can't process beyond a certain point. Basically I want a game engine capable of the following with little experience in gamedev aside from fucking about in Doom builder, if that even counts.

>3D

>First Person

>Object interraction in-game(think Dead Rising)

>Changing axis of gravity for the player, certain objects, NPCs or even the whole level

>Environmental destruction limited to select objects/walls in game

>Decent physics/collision detection

Standard game engine shit aside from that, which I imagine is stuff I can easily edit. It's just that those are the most complicated things from a technical perspective from my point of view. From my research I think Unity is the best candidate but I'm open to suggestions. I'm just tired of being an ideaguy.

Also, can someone learn C# as their first language with little difficulty compared to something like Java or Python?

>>14422724

it could be "Lost at Sea" too though I'd have it something like "Lost of Baston" so it'd be shortened to SLOB

>>14422729

C# is often lovingly referred to as "retard C++" so you shouldn't have much trouble. I know I didn't have any when modding Unity games.

>>14422730

Well the problem there is that "Sæglópur" already translates into "lost seafarer" or "lost at sea".

>>14422735

I'm certain you'll find something you'll like then

>>14422736

I sure will! Man, I didn't even think of a subtitle, though - thanks for nudging me in that direction.

>>14422742

no worries!

>>14422735

That's reassuring. Any advice for pitfalls to avoid while learning or general gamedev advice?

>>14422573

wrong, wrong and wrong

being rich doesn't make you attractive (at least not to the good kind of people and even then they are not there for you but your money), being a doormat doesn't make you attractive, it actually pushes people away, and when people want you there they make room for you.

>>14422757

Just read a lot about other people's experiences. You're gonna make a lot of mistakes, just make sure to learn from them.

>>14422174

>/agdg/ - Antisocial Guilt Diagnosis General

please make this the next thread's title

>>14422229

>>14422492

the thing is, we think we behave some way, but it actually translates completely different on other people's perspectives

like first anon, thinking he was being nice while actually being a jerk to people,

one example I have is friend of mine who is pretty nice, but sometimes says something bad and starts overthinking on everyone else disliking what he said, when in reality no one gave two fucks about it

on the other hand some people have the talent to say just the right stuff to upset other people while thinking it was just a nice conversation

>>14422543

It seems like some of your issue is related specifically to UE then, is there no way to stop an object from rendering without destroying it?

>>14423092

Oh, I was asking the question myself. I'm learning new shit every day, I'm honestly just trying to pin the solution to this inventory nightmare without having to set myself up for a headache in the future.

>>14423010

There's nothing wrong with having classes that are only data. In some languages these are structs but if you're using some hardline OO language then a class just for data is fine.

>>14423098

>>14422543

Yes, that would work fine, and is probably the easiest way if you want to keep the objects state intact and don't care about actual saving/loading (yet).

C++, BP is probably similar

Item->SetActorTickEnabled(false);
Item->SetActorHiddenInGame(true);

and the opposite for equipping it

>>14423242

I literally did that as what I thought at the time a temporary and hamfisted solution. Is this really, really an acceptable way? Because if so, I'm a blessed man.

>>14423250

if it just werks, it's acceptable

I've done it like this myself because I didn't want my gun states (cooldown timers in particular) to be reset when switching weapons, which happened with spawning/despawning on equipping/unequipping.

Of course a solution will always depend on the situation, in my case, I had only a handful of weapons that I wanted to be able to equip and unequip. Just disabling and hiding them was probably more performant too, compared to dynamically spawning and destroying them all the time.

Though reading back your older post, sounds like for your situation it would be more appropriate to make more of a separation of your items data and their instances as someone recommended earlier. (This will make your life easier too if you're going to implement saving/loading).

I would create a generic struct for every type of item, in which you describe/store the info you need for it.

e.g. struct WeaponInfo, struct BookInfo, etc.

Maybe have them inherit from a base ItemInfo struct, so you could store them in a single array with dat polymorphism.

I can't really describe too much in detail as I haven't worked it out, but the important idea is to separate the essential data you need to re-create an item from an actor object itself.

>>14423250

The only other way I could think of is creating a custom C++ base class for your objects, and having an actor that contains a reference to such a class, do all the visual stuff based on some info you get from it, and manage your custom classes yourself while being able to destroy the actors that have references to them.

However, that would be quite a bit more work I think, when the only benefit to it would realistically b taking away the overhead memory usage inherent to the AActor class, which I kinda doubt would be significant enough to do all that.

So yeah, probably best to just do it the way >>14423242 suggested.

>>14423320

>>14423311

Thank you! I feel like I know what I need to do now.

>>14423119

thanks mang, I was honestly thinking no one would even reply

the funny thing with these blog posts, is that when you write about it, somehow the answer just comes to you

so writing even smaller classes for data keeping, makes things much better on readability

and even the class creation, I'll just pass the world to it, if it needs so,

>>14423848

Yeah there's the concept of "rubber duck debugging," stating the problem is the first step of its solution.

>>14422328

neat stuff man, what kind of game are you doing next?

>>14424966

I spent five hours modeling a mug - random background prop. It happens, anon. Be proud. You care more than most do.

>>14424972

An action adventure game this time.

>>14424940

I can finally satisfy my bodyless nipple fetish, thanks anon.

>>14424989

Using your time wisely is important.

>>14425648

what language is this and how are you taking up so much time? To find out if something is a verb for example, do you just compare it to a giant list of verbs in a linear search? Since, that is the only thing that I can imagine would be making your processing take so much time. Is your program multithreaded?

not gamedev related but does anyone knows of a setup to access another computer files that will be using both windows and linux?

>>14420883

sometimes the answer is outside of the 4th wall, for example, I've been playing ff XII and one of the things i didn't like about is the tedium once you make the perfect gambit setup gambits are up to 12 commands fo the kind "if X do Y" and most of the time you will automate the game into boredom, the problem can be resolved in two ways

>a) by playing the last remnant before ffxii

tlr is made by the same team, and uses many of the design choices as a base, once you are familiar with the mindset required to play tlr you start using gambits as an aid instead of a "do nothing to win" option.

>b) modifying the game speed

when i first heard that they added that option in the remake at first i didn't think much of it, now while playing i wish they could have gone the extra mile and made the speed changing automatic and added enemies that purposely fuck with it

>>14425928

>Using your time wisely is important.

Which is why I don't understand why Animal Crossing like model Anon applied modifiers. His workflow does not make sense. Even if he wanted to have extra precision for weight paint (which you dont get!), you would first paint with the subdivision and then apply it to refine the paint afterwards. Bad time management.

<1999 was 50 years ago

>>14424940

That looks very promising

>>14426200

I'm not exactly sure what you're asking, do you want something like Samba? By "access" do you mean over a network?

>>14426336

basically i have various computers and want to keep my music/movies in only one

>>14426372

Nah I realized I was talking to the wrong person.

and all of the computers are on the same network

>>14426126

This is in c++.

I'm using the NLP section of a data science toolkit called MeTA. It uses machine learning and "a fast shift-reduce constituency parser using generalized averaged perceptron".

I don't know if the toolkit is multi-threaded, but my section of the code isn't. It really doesn't need to be as my code is making up a fraction of a fraction of the total processing time. Just as an experiment I commented out all of my code that wasn't directly involved in running the parser, it went from taking 10.7672 ms to process a sentence to taking 10.5497 ms.

The parser model I'm using is large and complex. It is 173 megabytes in size and takes 12 seconds to load into memory. After I'm done working on the dependency parser I may switch back to a smaller and faster but slightly less accurate model, which is a third of the size and conveniently three times as fast.

>>14426504

but seriously though, who cares about 10 milliseconds? A text based game doesn' t need to run at 120fps

>>14426688

>crash isn't voiced

>>14426379

Plex works well for movies, not sure about music.

>>14426688

Probably. Very rarely does lack of VA make a game significantly worse, but it does mean if you want characters to interact, they need to express themselves in other ways.

>>14426688

use weird oboe samples or trombone noises

>>14426688

You could get creative and eliminate all dialogue. An npc can instead point in a direction and have a white balloon appear with the icon of what's in that direction. I'd still have some kind of noise at the start of the interaction, though, like what >>14426755 says.

>>14426562

It's a legitimate worry. I'm going to be building quite a bit of functionality on top of these processes that take 10 milliseconds, which means 10 milliseconds is my lower limit not really, simpler sentences take less time and more complex sentences take more. Milliseconds makes 10's of milliseconds, and 10's of milliseconds makes the game feel unresponsive or sluggish.

The one thing I want to avoid is input feeling sluggish. When someone inputs a command I want them to be able to almost instantly start reading the result of that command. I said it in an earlier thread, but under 10 ms is best case scenario, under 20 ms is my goal, and under 40 ms no matter what.

>>14426755

>Peter and the wolf, the game.

>>14426700

Ebin maymay.

>>14426705

That makes sense. I'll have to invest a lot in facial expressions and body language.

>>14426755

I'll have to try that as placeholders and see if it'll stick. Might be pretty funny, actually.

>>14426379

Move them onto one and install a file server or media server, it isn't hard

>>14426872

no but he does woah when he dies

>>14426915

Ahh, true enough. Didn't come to mind, for some reason. I was thinking of the jump and spin sounds, mainly.

>>14426925

I mean everything is stock audio

>>14426705

thanks, it works fine, it doesn't support custom tags for music but i can just slap them on gender

>>14426810

Yeah but I think that short of a duration, on text input really doesn' t matter that much and what little delay there may be can be quite easily masked by animation and/or sound probably if you really feel that it's bothersome.

You only parse a whole sentence right? (not real-time while typing)

10 ms in that style of gameplay, I really can't imagine it being very noticeable.

>>14427079 (me)

actually okay, if your game is purely text (e.g. in a console) then sure you're probably limited with sound/animation (and perhaps so by design as well), but I still think the delay wouldn't be a big deal.

In any case, "premature optimization is the root of all evil", just make sure to focus on the game first.

Interesting mechanic by the way, I haven't played much text-based games, is it common to parse the grammar of a players input?

I do remember being surprised by well some of those games react to (many different possibilities of) a players input.

>>14427130

I'm not optimizing right now, just keeping optimization in mind. I appreciate your concern for me getting things done.

It's almost purely text. I know a guy who does music and once I get far enough along I'll bring him on to do sound. I may add a GUI for quality of life improvements, but that's still a "maybe" at this point and if I do add one it won't have animations or art.

>is it common to parse the grammar of a players input?

The history of grammar parsers in text-based games is actually something I find pretty interesting. Modern text-based games use engines like Inform 7 that almost always parser grammar and do so very well, better than I'll be able to manage.

Older games relied on a "verb noun" structure of input like "get flask", "go north", "attack goblin" and so on.

Zork was unique when it came out because it did a pretty good job at parsing grammar and was leagues above everything else, even though by modern standards it's so bad it can't even be measured.

My goal is to add at least as much functionality to the parser as what you get in Zork, though I'll be handling combat and talking with people differently.

>>14421668

No, it's actually one of my weaknesses (subdividing geometry, etc). But other than arrays, I can't think of a single object that would get that large.

I mean, Lists and stuff would count as arrays, because internally they use an array that resizes as needed

>>14414134

Yo that is really cool

I have very, very little done on the actual game but I'm working on really good modding support. I'm going to add most of my game content through mods that the user can see and edit. It's also nice to be able to work on either the engine, or content, but rarely both.

>>14427814

>thinking about the future

>already wondering if you can sue the people you'll work with

oh boy

>>14427814

Ask a lawyer. You shouldn't be asking here for legal advice.

>>14427814

You can always sue, doesn't mean you can win.