391e20 No.14307465
Throw at me RPG with deep character progression and extensive character creation mechanics, that is hard as balls and requires tactical planning of your every move.
Preferably where i can become broken mage, but that's optional.
45f3de No.14307470
674542 No.14312877
dee60d No.14312902
>>14312877
>mentally degrading yourself to play a game instead of searching for what he actually wants
why?
56f4e9 No.14312933
Inquisitor is hard. Problem is that combat is complete dogshit.
39702c No.14314883
Divinity Original Sin on tactician mode?
56df04 No.14315111
>>14307465
http://ngplus.net/InsaneDifficultyArchive/www.insanedifficulty.com/board/indexf5c8.html?/topic/5567-seiken-densetsu-3-sin-of-mana-discussion/
it doesn't have everything, you have to pick a party of 3 out of a number of characters but if you play this on the hardest difficulty available it's a pretty dang good challenge.
Elminage Gothic if you like the wizardy type of rpg.
Ultimate VIII
1daf4d No.14315323
>>14307465
Try asking the RPG Codex. They're on top of this shit.
I'm guessing Temple of Elemental Evil with Circle of Eight mod, but I dunno.
8cb162 No.14315337
Arcanum?
>deep character progression
No classes, you pretty much just add points into everything you want, creating your own 'class'
>extensive character creation mechanics
Your race determines some dialog.
Your int determines dialog and quests.
Pretty much everything in varying levels of importance.
>hard as balls
Combat and dungeons are a common criticism for Arcanum, so there's that at least, heh.
0fe246 No.14315358
>>14315337
Arcanum wasn't hard it was just badly unpolished and unbalanced.
2fd257 No.14315367
>>14307465
Morrowind for a first person rpg
or ToEE patched for isometics.
1daf4d No.14315388
>>14307465
Age of Decadence / Dungeon Rats, but there's no spellcasting magic.
>>14315337
Arcanum is a good game but there are entirely too many builds to roflstomp all over the combat and never give a shit.
34d749 No.14315391
>>14307465
Dungeons And Dragons
c8f5dc No.14315482
>>14307465
Goldbox games
Wizardry 1-4
ad09df No.14315530
Might and Magic series of RPGs are good, hard and ballsy…. And you can become a powerhouse mage as well.
aa7362 No.14315573
>>14307465
Just play Fire Emblem. As a bonus, there are no niggers.
3ac38a No.14315625
>>14315591
it'll be hard alright
c4ab72 No.14315631
>>14307465
>Hard and ballsy RPGs
There's nothing hard in rpgs you dumb nigger.
Hard only means you have to grind more you cunt. fuck off.
395f5a No.14315669
>>14315631
There's nothing hard in [x genre] you dumb nigger.
Hard only means you have to [central mechanic to genre] more you cunt. fuck off.
ff6028 No.14315677
1daf4d No.14315694
>>14315631
>>14315669
There actually are RPGs that do not let you freely grind, dumbfucks.
e35cde No.14315697
>>14315591
I hope they get around to porting it.
c11efa No.14315722
>>14315323
What he said, no one here knows shit about RPGs that aren't anime grinders honestly.
Despite loving RPGs I don't have anything to contribute to the thread because RPGs that punish you for not building your character off a sheet 20 hours of gameplay ago are unfun for me.
>>14315631
Maybe if you are a JRPG player.
34aaf3 No.14315733
How can a black man be a mage? Doesn't being a mage require high int stats?
1d1088 No.14315748
>>14315733
He could be a watermelon mage with maxed out stealth and stealing
ba0d20 No.14315765
>>14315733
There are exceptions to every rule.
b724a2 No.14315797
>>14315733
Only the higher level spells, and it looks like he's just casting a cantrip. I'm more interested in the purpose of those retarded looking pauldrons and the cuffs hanging from one.
419b51 No.14315808
>>14315733
>a mage?
maybe it's not mage any more than average rapper is goldsmith
bcc172 No.14315814
>>14314883
this. the original sin series has everything you're asking. you can find a torrent in the share thread.
91d195 No.14315850
>>14315814
>shilling hipster sjws
Eat shit
a7a603 No.14315969
>>14315733
its called fantasy, you double nigger.
b4068e No.14315989
ee44d7 No.14315999
9779a8 No.14316004
>>14315989
He probably means Arx part of the game, which was terrible. You know, black lesbian paladins.
9e06f3 No.14316300
172082 No.14316324
Divinity Original Sin 1 and 2
If you want them to be hard as fuck, difficulty is very accessible
588bc8 No.14316634
If you want hard, you go for 80's RPGs.
Wizardy
Bards Tale
Might and Magic I and II
Rogue and its ilk
But these games are punishingly hard, in the one-hit-kill sense.
But if you beat them you will level up and you will gain Neckbeard+3 as a reward.
f36e5c No.14318591
>>14315591
Fuck no, not even remotely hard. You'll spend more time agonizing over gun mods than you will suffering through the terrible cutscene storyline that I pretty much started skipping less than halfway through. It is, however, fun .
60f892 No.14318662
It's an action RPG, but you have to manage and play as the whole party.
1daf4d No.14320485
>>14316324
The good news is that it really does attempt to balance for tactical combat. The bad news is that you can still cheese through it all once you git gud. Also the writing is fucking cheesy.
>>14318662
Go back to 4chan you filthy scrub. What part of Dungeon Siege is
>hard as balls and requires tactical planning of your every move
I've played it before. It is an extremely repetitive and simplistic grind with virtually zero tactical thought. Great engine. Shit gameplay.
befd69 No.14320490
>>14307465
tyranny is a very good prg
4ddf68 No.14320500
By the end of PoE you pretty much need to do extreme micromanagement of every single move each one of your characters has to do and constantly pause or you will be raped to death
It's also possible I am very bad at the game and have a hard time playing it
ef2a51 No.14320508
>>14316004
This is why you gas the entire city
c8f5dc No.14320525
>>14320500
>By the end of PoE you pretty much need to do extreme micromanagement of every single move each one of your characters has to do and constantly pause or you will be raped to death
That's mainly because PoE has a retarded system for nearly everything
33bdf1 No.14334488
Dante Must Die mode: don't look up how any of the game's systems supposedly work
5770e2 No.14334503
>>14334488
>triple dubs
Impressive
cd865f No.14336571
>>14307465
I like SMT - I'm playing Nocturne right now - but that wouldn't count as a CRPG series now would it owo
cd865f No.14336578
>>14316634
What I think would be really neat would be playing some of the games made by fans with the toolkits released for those sorts of dungeon crawlers back in the day. Would you be able to recommend any of those?
3ae7f5 No.14336601
Mordor: Depths of Dejenol
It was programmed in fucking visual basic for Win98 machines anything you have now is not compatible
e8efd6 No.14336710
>>14307465
>Throw at me RPG with deep character progression and extensive character creation mechanics, that is hard as balls and requires tactical planning of your every move.
You sure you want to go down this road, partner?
f3398e No.14336717
Gothic 2 with the expansion is brutally hard. Be prepared to suck up every last little bit of experience you can possibly get because you need ALL of it.
abf6e0 No.14336810
495461 No.14336829
Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup, if you're into roguelikes.
17f4ea No.14340615
>>14307465
>Preferably where i can become broken mage, but that's optional.
I wouldn't call this game hard as balls, but the becoming a broken mage part is done beautifully in SaGa Frontier.
c4ab72 No.14340756
>>14315733
So we finna be some ascended god hood and sheit? yumsaying fam?
d73d68 No.14340947
>>14307465
>Preferably where i can become broken mage, but that's optional.
Shadowrun for the Sega Genesis. I managed to accidentally create a burned-out mage because I didn't know enough about the RPG to know that cybernetics would destroy my magic abilities. I ended up finishing the game with enough magical ability to maybe light a cigarette. My buddy knew all about it the original RPG and, when he got a look at Sega's version, he went bananas, bought it, and played it over the next 72 hours.
>https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=9fhg-wTqyM8
01ad0a No.14341623
>>14315591
worth playing for its uniqueness alone, can not think of any other game quite like it. but it is true, you will spend a lot of time building the most ridiculous weaponry, and you'll like it.
4653f6 No.14341653
Why has nobody made a bullet hell RPG?
4653f6 No.14341729
>>14341695
>Over the shoulder bulleto hells.
049a92 No.14341775
>>14341729
>Thinks Nier is over the shoulder.
Most of the bullet hell stuff is zoomed out.
17f4ea No.14343413
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>>14341653
there's Rugitta, party based with equipment, levels etc., though it's not a traditional vertical bullet hell. I say it's closer to Fantasy Zone or twinstick shooters.
53790b No.14343419
6ee701 No.14343424
>>14343419
google Nier gameplay video.
Also Touhou Youyoumu.
53790b No.14343432
>>14343424
No why'd you post that image is what I asked about. bored are you?
e0dc9c No.14343544
>>14315733
I once had an (half) orc sorcerer in Neverwinter Nights 2. That shit felt like hard mode, but was fun as hell…
Some people just love challenges…
40e314 No.14343551
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7th saga is pretty hard.
And has great music
f36e5c No.14347990
>U.S. release artificially hard because enix fucked up the translation job and inadvertently modified growth rate and enemy levels
Japanese release with a translation patch is a breeze.
7e369a No.14348207
>>14343551
an amazing game, the music is top notch
ee44d7 No.14349424
>>14348207
Too bad the sequel sucks and is nothing like it in tone at all.
9f20f0 No.14350592
>>14336578
FRUA is the way to go. And there are some ball bustingly hard modules for it too. There are a lot of converted DnD modules such as Ravenloft and Planescape related ones. Search Codex for the list of the modules, Im sure there is a thread with them listed.
eebb1e No.14350754
Nocturne
You can be a broken eye-beam, earth-mancer caster!
eebb1e No.14350759
>>14343551
patrician tastes, friend
The spritework in this game was truly threatening. It had this presence of danger. The enemies weren't fucking around.
c8f5dc No.14350855
>>14350592
and FRUA has a lot of the older goldbox games converted too
b05c98 No.14351613
>>14316634
Who here has actually beaten Rogue? I did at work, but I'm at a call-center and that gave me loads of free time
84132e No.14352432
>>14314883
>>14315814
You have to be a fucking retard to have challenge playing those games. OP said "hard as balls", not "soloable if your IQ is above an average nigger"
38ef7b No.14352606
>>14307465
I honestly don't remember having any persisting challenge in any non-modded RPG I've played, and I've played most of them. FO2, PoE, Dragon's Dogma and maybe some others had some occasional challenge, but you get too powerful very fast.
Mods is where it's at:
Witcher 1 (FCR);
DA:O (FCR);
Dragon's Dogma (Madeleine's mod);
PoE (IE mod, just nuke exp gains to oblivion to get some late game challenge);
That's what I can remember off the top of my head, there must be at least a couple more
2cb457 No.14354131
>>14341653
undertale
not hard though
a2b5df No.14354174
>>14314883
It's a joke once you understand that the game's difficulty doesn't revolve around monsters but around maximizing loot collection and shopping; which is done in order to combat the ridiculous stat inflation.
Anyways, there aren't any difficult RPG games post 2000 except for The Last Remnant. If you want difficulty you need to go with mods, but most mods are completely retarded with how they handle difficulty. Most of them do it by either completely changing the game's systems which alters the combat's flow OR they just cheat extra stats/resists on every enemy and call it a day.
Two decent mods that DONT fall into the aforementioned trap is Final Fantasy Tactics 1.3 (link in share thread, the insanedifficulty versions are retarded) and Swordcoast Stratagems for Baldur's Gate 1 and 2.
1079eb No.14357764
Grimoire, if you don't recruit NPCs
eebb1e No.14357774
>>14347990
USA release is not hard if you get good
ac6188 No.14358197
7248b7 No.14358480
>>14343551
It kinda sucks that so much of the difficulty rests on your choice of character and sidekick. If you pick a lemon Kamil or pair up with someone who doesn't complement your strength… WEW. And of course it's all slot machine mechanics. The strategy is in noticing that things exist. Secret items, stat buffs.
That map music though…
>>14350759
I remember being freaked out by the chimeras in the first dungeon. I had different feelings toward the sexy snek
0483e7 No.14361856
Some people mentioned The Last Remant but I want to ask you, does obscuring every mechanic in the game amount to it being a genuinely difficult game? The game itself isn't any more difficult than any random rpg when you know all the mechanics.
56b782 No.14361904
>>14341653
You mean like this bullet hell RPG?
0483e7 No.14361986
DT2 fits your criteria minus deep character progression. It's only on Vita though. Don't let the cute girls fool you there are post game dungeons with 20+ floors that form interconnected puzzles with teleporters and holes all with the simple goal of breaking your sanity.
I've noticed that many games made by Sting have very tightly tuned difficulties. I played an srpg by them called Gungnir on the highest difficulty the game offered me. Managing to beat that game without looking anything up still fills me with pride, every single map felt like a this is a battle im supposed to lose but it wasn't. Sting is a good studio.
abd29e No.14362201
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>>14307465
>Hard and ballsy
>Throw at me
>Preferably where i can become broken
>niggerfaggot fondling magical testicles.jpg
OP I think you'd enjoy embed related more.
ceafec No.14363747
>want to play Wizardry VII
>realease its related to 4-6
>can handle the graphics
>all of them have shit controls
>including VII
Have I finally become a normie?
445df6 No.14363780
>>14363747
4 is a sequel to 1-3 where you play as the villain from 1
5 is standalone though IIRC you can import your characters to 6
6 leads into 7
you might enjoy Might & Magic. 3 created a gridbased dungeon crawler system that lets you deal with distant threats (by shooting them)
this system would persist
ceafec No.14363916
>>14363780
I'll try them out, thanks.
56b782 No.14363918
fcaf71 No.14364021
>>14363747
normalfags say normie, so yes, you've been one all along.