/v/ - Video Game BOXES

>yfw i wasted $200 years ago on it and never played again because stuck on mining segment

>i am not going to play it again

>>14158522

You only need mining for Gara and Eidolons hunt, and it's kinda optional for Eidolons hunt if you're not soloing.

How did you stuck?

Also what did you waste your 200 bux on? I really fucking hope it was some founder package with shit that nobody can get now.

>>14158561

People who take Rhino on spy missions are the kind of people who grab a sledgehammer when they lock themselves out of their house.

Rhino is my favorite frame

>>14158596

A few threads back there was someone who was saying that anything Rhino can do other frames can do better, and with greater versatility. Personally I love him, and if Brozime isn't full of shit then I have some justification and he is really useful pretty much wherever. Even if he does approach spy missions with the subtlety of a Russian hostage rescue team.

>>14158533

You used to send craftable consumable mining drones to planets to extract crafting resources a long time ago. I'm assuming he's talking about that and not the thing they implemented with the Plains of Eidolon update.

I like playing with Limbos because it's both a crazy russian roulette and a special kind of hard mode.

You never know if your guy will be the ultra-rare Limbo that banishes and returns your team with such finesse and precision that no one ever gets hit by anything big, or the bottom-barrel nigger that spams 1 and 4 on every fucking mob and then just stays rifted and hiding during the boss

>>14158614

>>14158596

He's just kind of bland in my opinion, both frame design and gameplay.

There are 3 builds.

>Buffer

You cast Roar once every minute. Sometimes needed but you'll only play this for AFK farming.

>Stomper

Yeah he has decent AoE CC but even with over 200% duration it barely reaches 10 seconds. He'll also need to dedicate everything else into range. This makes him both squishy and unable to buff.

>Tank

He's fine at this too except for nullifiers which are a problem but can be played around. You will literally have nothing to cast except your Iron Skin though and it's a pretty dull way to tank.

You can also play him as a jack of all trades or a more versatile tank that doesn't go all in on power and armor. That might be more fun (if you like his skillset) but it's only suitable for content where your choice of frame doesn't matter too much.

>>14158617

You still do that, it's pretty nice if useless since they always bring you the shit you don't want.

>>14158614

Oh brozime can go fuck himself.

>Atlas is bad because I don't know how to use him

>Tigris p is good because you one shot 100 level heavy, never mind how there are swarms of them in real game

>Ash is meh because he has flat ass and I'm gonna ignore or downplay all broken shit he has going for him

>Atterax is good because meme strike

>Uses TXAA like a retard he is

The fact that he understands Rhino and considers him high tier is just a testament that monkey can read and write. You don't need to have IQ over 70 to understand how good Rhino is.

The

> anything Rhino can do other frames can do better

is perfectly valid since there are specialist frames like Limbo or Volt, and those frames indeed do their one particular shit better than anyone else, but Rhino being beginner-friendly frame and still being able to compete with those specialists sets him as a great fucking frame in general.

You can take Rhino anywhere. You can't take Limbo anywhere.

>>14158646

I wish he didn't look like shit. I want to like him.

>>14158641

Why do people think Atlas is useless? Punch is good, wall can help for both normal and operative defense as well as create artifical chokepoints and act as effective invisibility/armor, rock vision immediately neutralizes groups and tells Nox to fuck off, and Rumblers draw aggro and do decent damage even though the augment is broke. All that and he's got fantastic armor.

Do people just destroy his range in favor of other things, so they never see their potential? Power range makes his punches more of an AoE, lets you stare down big crowds, and makes your rumblers into speedboys so they can actually deliver damage.

I might be a masochist because Im trying to get Mag to work, any tips?

>>14158507

In all of my time playing I've yet to find any reasonable use for a Covert Lethality Dagger (or Ash for that matter).

If you want to kill stuff slow and painfully, by all means bro.

>>14158666

Stomper mainly wants range with a good chunk of duration. Buffer mainly wants strength with a good chunk of duration. You're making one or the other ability significantly worse by going both. In a proper group setup you don't do both jobs since it's more efficient if people focus on one thing.

But like I said, if you just enjoy playing Rhino there's nothing wrong with building him a little more versatile. If you're just playing without a proper setup (pub sorties or some such) it's going to work good as well.

If I want to play a tanky gunner frame, I'd rather go Mirage or Harrow which also have cool abilities to enhance their damage. Of course they're not quite as tanky an Iron Skin Rhino but they more than make up for that.

>>14158686

> I've yet to find any reasonable use for a Covert Lethality Dagger

Inaros, Ivara, Equinox, Excaliber, and whatever other frames can put enemies into such a state.

>>14158689

Horrow is a major pain in the ass to gain but he is a great fucking frame actually. His buffs are insane, I fully expect DE to nerf him within a year.

>>14158686

>>14158695

If anything you have invul frames on finishers, so you can use that as a temporary evasion maneuver rather than primary kill method.

Also even without CL finishers are super effective even at high levels and if you must take that arctic eximus bombard down right fucking NOW from the other corner of the room, Ash can do that, and will probably do that better/faster than most frames.

>>14158686

That with Ash and the finisher augment remains the cheesiest method available to one-shot anything at Index and those awful Arena stages

>>14158711

You are literally wasting your time sacrificing your melee weapon to use a dagger to kill a high EHP enemy. It is much more worth while to use your primary for that (where Primaries are actually useful).

>>14158714

This is actually one of the few uses of Covert Lethality in the game.

Speaking of Covert Lethality, what are considered some of the best daggers? I've heard Rakta Dark Dagger before.

I want to try Ash's Lethal Teleport and I have everything except for a decent dagger.

>>14158719

To be honest with melee build chance are you'll one shot high EHP enemy with finisher anyway. Especially if you've got combo going.

I don't even have CL and never felt like I need it, because if I use finisher mob, it just dies anyway.

Then again the longest I've stayed in the void was 90 minutes or something, so for those cheese 7 hours runs I imagine it being essential.

>>14158714

There is literally no objective reason to play high index instead of med index, because med index gives you more money per minute period, unless you find some sort of twisted fun in listening that terrible announcer's same 3 lines over and over again.

And in med index mobs are squishy enough for conventional weapons.

>>14158736

Ones with highest attack speed, other stats don't matter at all.

It's still pretty slow way to kill enemies, regular melee combo build is much faster for up to at least level 200 mobs.

>>14158736

Best dagger would be whichever Zaw can attack the fastest, and then put an attack speed riven on that. I've got a Balla riven I'm going to roll for speed soon, but I really really don't like how it looks so I'm not in a hurry.

I never hear anybody ever talking about Sedna nor do I see people ever playing on the arena. So do I need to fight in the arena and earn judgement points there to have access to other nodes like Merrow, Yam and Vodyanoi?

>>14159118

The real reason to play Arena is because you need the boss to farm Saryn, since the prime version got vaulted

>>14159118

>Enable gallery mode

Naw, fighting in the arena earns you tickets that you use on the boss fight. You can go to other nodes without them. That said rathuum is alright but they really fucked up not giving the nukor a nightwatch mod.

>>14159218

Changing in-game name is an automated process that costs 200 plat my newfriend.

That faggot went and changed his name.

Obviously.

>>14158653

>Atlas

>Fantastic armor

All the rest I agree with but his armor is really nothing special

>>14159294

>just like as I am

read a book, nigger

or at least read your own posts before posting

>>14159381

>there was some faggot in an earlier thread telling me that endo rewards on the same loot table as relics was okay because endo is rare

I sure love getting endo instead of a much more valuable loot aka literally anything else

Endo rewards are the new forma blueprints tbqh

>kill ruk 3 times

>kill phorid 5 times

>1 cell drop

HELP

>>14159406

No

>>14159406

It's better to do it by hand so you don't dissolve something like a memeing strike dupe. It's not hard, you probably don't have a lot of dupes of anything but the most trash fodder mods.

>>14159544

If you have a meme strike dupe and didn't spin that shit out for 500 plat right away, you deserve to delete it by accident

>>14159596

>not waiting for the price to go up

Do you even Jew?

>>14159596

>impulse selling

>>14159670

>all WTB

M8, that's not how this works. Of course shit heads are gonna ask low hoping someone sells it not knowing its worth. Show me the WTS page and we'll talk.

>>14159670

>wtb orders

>not filled with either idiots or hardcore jews

Also, this last event wasn't the first time they showed up. Before this last event they were going for 1k.

I know it sucks that you wanted to sell it for more and you hate yourself for not waiting for the price to go up but you don't need to try to lie and justify your impulses.

>>14159683

>if only gets worse

That's the top of the page, it only goes up. And the event ended not too long ago, it'll take a while to go back up. Just like vaulted primes take months to go up in value.

>>14158614

>there was someone who was saying that anything Rhino can do other frames can do better

This isn't an untrue statement.

>Hyekka Master Eximus spawns Hyekka eximuses

Easioly the most unpleasant experience I've had to date.

Would it be worthwhile to make my own clan for myself, or should I join one?

Do we have one anymore?

>>14159860

The plural of Eximus is Eximi.

>>14159882

Post your IGN and I'll send you an invite.

>>14159891

FoggyCrystal is the IGN

Thanks

>>14159901

Sent

>>14159939

Always go with the cancer-free option.

>level 80 3-round interception with endless leech eximus coming out in packs of 5 from every fucking spawn

fuck me what a clusterfuck this is, even the meme strike atteraxfag was getting fucking trashed

>>14159975

And which one is that? I got one from MisterrBabadook and one from Towershield.

>>14160023

keep going

>>14160023

The outlines are too big and anatomy is a bit screwy, but I like it.

It's not really fappable, but I still like it.

>>14160023

please make a wallpaper sized version.

>>14160023

post the other one

>>14160246

It still brings a giggle to my bitter heart that the Redeemer, a handheld shotgun with swords strapped to it, counts as a silenced weapon.

>>14160260

Did they change it?

>>14160260

>it's not silent anymore

>but doesn't uncloak ivara

>sty in drift and spam redeemer wile enemies run to you to get slaughtered

works on everything except corpus because fuck nuliifiers

>>14160251

>>14160266

The Redeemer hasn't been a silenced weapon for quite some time now. It WILL alert anyone nearby when you fire it.

You become good when you realise that excalibur is worst frame.

You become Pro when you realise that excalibur is best frame.

>>14160278

>a piece a day

Is he a NEET or something? How the fuck does anyone find the time for a full color complete pic like that every day?

>>14160280

>You become good when you realise that excalibur is worst frame.

I don't think there is any point in time someone should ever consider excal bad, let alone the worst.

>>14160278

>There's a guy on Pixiv who does a drawing a day and has done so for the past two years. Pic related is an example of what he draws.

How is that even possible? Does he live his life on his tablet?

>>14160278

I draw every day, I just want to put more emphasis on painting. Passion is cool but you also need discipline.

>>14160299

his art seems really good, can you link his pixiv?

>>14160337

https://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=7302703

>>14160222

Checking those trips, and thanks for the new art, anon. Nyx's ass in hirez is very pleasant to look at.

I have no backlog and right now I am watching the autistic adventures of loli chromatics.

It is grat

>>14160604

You have too much strength, so you might want more duration or eff cuase you'll be killing shit regardless.

on you stick, you might want to put some dual stats on it for a little more status chance. Also you'll want Condition Overload cause you'll do fucktons of damage. Trade fury for berserker cause your base crit is good enough to proc it. Also buzz kill isn't gonna do anything cause your blade deals only elemental. Other than that, I'd probably still put the crit chance and damage mods on for a little extra, and maybe swap life strike for healing return cause you'll have so much status chance.

>>14160604

You need a Mire with Condition Overload on it to get the most out of Chromatic Blade because of the innate toxin damage on the Mire and the fact that it activates Excal's passive at the same time. You can do a very easy Corrosive Blast or Viral Radiation set up this way if you set Excal's energy color for cold (viral) or electricity (corrosive.)

Hello, is this faggot game still in ((("""beta""")))?

>>14160787

Pretty good, and I think about 150 str will get you to good numbers. And I mean killing shit regardless because unless you plan on doing level 200+ content somehow, you're doing too much damage and stripping so much armor nothing will really stand up to you. And personally, I'd go for a balanced build so you can just blind and kill anything that somehow does prove tough to kill. If you have energy conversion, I'd recommend using it. For CO, I bought it cause the grind got too bad for me, but I imagine survival is a good place. Just extract fairly early so the butchers keep spawning.

MESA PRIME WHEN?

>>14160834

We're looking at Zephyr Prime, Chroma Prime, Limbo Prime, then Mesa Prime, so about a year unless they pull another Nova.

>>14160834

Gonna be a while, cause zephyr is next and after that it's gonna be two males.

>>14160834

Nezha prime when?

>>14160812

>If you have energy conversion, I'd recommend using it

Does it actually interact with Exalted Blade or are you using it for something else?

>>14161050

Every single toggle in the frame only calculates the toggle's power strength at the beginning of the toggle, so using Energy Conversion gives +50% power strength for the entire duration of a toggle, no matter how long it is.

>>14161042

I don't feel steel fiber is necessary on excal cause his blade gives 60% auto parry anyway. Also eff affects toggle abilities far more than duration, so might want to switch the two. For you weapon, I'd swap one dual stat for a regular elemental for a little more damage.

>>14161050

It affects every toggle ability, that's pretty much its sole purpose. If you have an ability you turn and leave on the rest of the mission, use it.

>>14161094

Mire's innate toxin is not going to combine with chromatic blade, it needs the mod. And I'd go for crit damage and condition overload in those two left over.

>>14159444

Try Ceres assassination, Lieutenant Lech Kril and Captain Vor, it drops at least two cells each time.

>>14160222

Its pretty gud, but let it go over your head like it normally happens

>>14161103

What do you mean? I need a Toxin mod on my Mire for it to combine with Chromatic Blade into Viral? Then what's the unique benefit granted by using Mire if I don't save on using a mod slot?

>>14161138

>I need a Toxin mod on my Mire for it to combine with Chromatic Blade into Viral

Yes. I'm honestly not sure what the big meme about mire is. If it does mix with chromatic blade, it shouldn't and that's a bug.

>>14161147

This. Chromatic Blade works with a weapon's mods, not the innate characteristics of the weapon itself.

>>14161199

Well that explains it. Not the first time something worked on exalted weapons that shouldn't drifting contact used to as well, and maybe still does. Expect that to get patched/nerfed though.

>>14161171

If you're only using a single power mod, isn't Transient Fortitude much more convenient than relying on Energy Conversion? Just seems like you're paying a small price with the -25% duration.

>>14161327

Not really, as the -duration makes blade cost more energy per second, and as a toggle frame I'm gonna be relying on orbs for my energy anyway.

>there are people in this very thread that still haven't accepted Limbo as their lord and savior

Explain yourselves, plebeians.

>>14161411

Frost does what Limbo does but better.

>>14161411

Any frame that needs a safe space is garbage.

>>14161417

>frost can carry an entire team in MD by pressing a single button every 70 seconds

Silly frostfags, your bubble doesn't even scale!

>>14161426

What the fuck you're talking about.

>>14161469

>Rhinobabby in charge of knowing anything about the game

I looked up Exalted Blade a bit and remembered that you get 100% status chance with 180% power using Chromatic Blade.

Is it better to go for that, which then lets you use pure elemental mods? Those add a good chunk of extra damage compared to status chance ones.

>>14161564

>you get 100% status chance with 180% power using Chromatic Blade

>Is it better to go for that, which then lets you use pure elemental mods?

Yes, you don't mod your weapon for status when using Chromatic Blade as Power Strength governs it's status chance. You mod for elemental damage and melee damage.

OK i'm a new-ish player (mastery rank 3) and i just maxed out my starting gear (Excalibur, Bo, Lato and whatever the starting rifle is.)… what do i do with them now, i have replacements for the weapons but nothing for the frame yet.

>>14161697

Sell all the starter garbage for credits as soon as you get literally anything else to fill the slots.

You can sell from equipment -> inventory menu

>>14161697

just keep going through the star chart

What's a good primary for Mesa that doesn't ruin the cowgirl theme? I'm using a vectis prime with solid results so far but not sure if I could get a better thing

>>14161740

>selling excal

>ever

>especially when the starter comes with a tater

Do not do this.

>>14161744

Sybaris prime or tigris prime.

>>14161740

>>14161712

>>14161708

Rightious, thanks for the help guys, i'll sell off my weapons since i have nothing to replace my frame at the moment.

>>14161753

Please do not sell the frame

>>14161761

He holds up plenty fine.

>>14158596

>Non-frames like Zephyr or Mag? People just chuckle when those join the squad, or sight if it's some high level mission.

Went into the sortie after adjusting Mag, it was MD Slash proc, INT Eximus and SPY Viral enhancement in that order, kept using bubbles and polarize with great result, then the last mission I decided to just don't bother the others while they did their thing, then I had to distract an eximus, got 1 shot two times in a row, full shields, no slash, no viral, only puncture, went to extraction, a feral kubrow kills me in 1 bite, again, no proc, I decide to just comment on how the difficulty in warframe is shitty game design, then people begin barking at me "then don't play it!" and stuff like that I say the game is tolerable to an extent and they continue to bark "you should play a game because is fun and not just tolerable then!" and the usual "git gud!" I comment on how bigger numbers are still shitty game design regardless and they say "armor reduces that" then I tell them "when the enemy does 10 billion damage how much does 130 armor can mitigate?" they stop barking.

>>14161769

>MOT crewmen and flood guards oneshot you right off the bat

I don't think he does. Unless you have some fancy maxed out arcane that safeguards you better than QT.

>>14161756

ok i shall not sell the frame.

>>14161779

Don't get hit :^) but excal is the tankiest of the non tank frame IMO.

>>14161776

It's why tank frames and CC frames are the meta.

Valkyr is a better Excalibur because she's more sustainable but if you wanted just that going Inaros is the better option because you stand out more then

>>14158596

also, zephyr is quite good if you build her correctly

>>14161807

excal has far more range and CC, and obviously valk is tankier.

>>14161823

range isn't that important but CC is although I'd still prefer valks rage over excal blind due to the healing aspect of it however I'd love it if I could get the blood grabble hook shot replaced with the blind tbh

>>14161845

If valk could CC effectively she'd really be too OP.

>>14161849

she'd be Inaros then

>>14161853

Inaros is a different can of worms. He's just insane health and CC, whereas valk and excal also pack a lot of damage. And no, covert lethality daggers do not count, as you have to kill everyone one by one.

>>14161862

insane health which also heals others

>>14161869

True, albeit not very effectively.

>>14161872

it doesn't need to be that effective because the CC is more then enough to make sure full healing happens

>>14161881

I meant it more as going through the necessary steps to make it happen is a bit of a pain, and so few inaros even know he can do it. I've only seen someone use my devour like twice, and I've only seen another inaros use his 4 maybe five times. And the time it takes to recharge your armor after makes it pretty time consuming to cast.

>>14161802

So, if I have say 700 HP and the enemy deals like 100,000 per slash tick that means I would take 3000 less damage, right?

>>14161891

there's afew mods that fix most of the issues it has or so I've been told by me friend

>>14161801

>>14161802

With that in mind it's amusing how Ash P is tankier than Excalibur.

Ex really need a buff to either HP or armor.

Hopefully Umbra will be tankier than vanilla.

>>14161897

You'll take 30000 less damage :^)

>>14161926

Oh never mind, slash procs ignore armor, so you'll get full 100k damage regardless of armor.

>>14161912

I use negating swarm on him, which makes him even more stupidly tanky, but it the charge time is till annoying. I guess I could use natural talent on him.

>>14161944

I wouldn't know

>>14161926

>>14161929

Good to know, if it were Toxin I guess it would be 30,000 less damage, so, which mods give me 50,000 HP total? as usual there are frames with too little armor to even think about surviving a "stray" slash or toxin tick, and I use quotations because DE thinks harder enemies have to use fully automatic sniper rifles with homing bullets and 100% status chance, not to mention tons of armor and HP, God forbid someone actually makes enemies more varied and smarter.

>>14161959

If we're talking about toxin, then we're talking about infested, meaning they can aslo proc viral on you, halving your HP before destroying you with toxin.

>>14161979

curses! foiled again!

in all seriousness, one of the worst parts of warframe is not having a proper difficulty curve.

>>14162001

But there is! It's called meta.

>meta gear and frames = easy

>viable gear and frames = normal

>fodder gear and frames = hard

>>14162015

That's only a scale of how fast they die mostly, not to mention the ones whose abilities never scale properly, harder shouldn't be limited to squishiness.

>>14162024

You are kinda wrong. Loki might look squishy looking at his stats, but he's still meta frame after all these years, and can easily stay in survival for hours if coupled with meta weapons.

Trinity and Nova also can get pretty far in on their own, but if they are in the party you just won't lose.

On the flip side Ash might be good on paper, but you just won't get far with him, and he's useless in party, all despite his high EHP, invis, autofinishers and slash buffs. Ditto for Chroma. He might be over tanky but eventually enemies will catch up with him.

But they will never catch up to Loki.

>>14162033

>melee status build

>radiaton

>no drifting contact/bodycount

Also bloodrush is still large damage boost no matter how low your weapon's critical stats are, replace voltaic strike with it.

And get some good riven to go full autismo.

>>14162057

Still looks like the meta is only about taking big numbers or dodging those, even then, no amount of cover will save you from a single bullet when the enemies get their insane and stupid scaling.

>>14162057

What about throwing Berserker on with bloodrush to make everything even more retardedly fast?

>>14162070

>meta is only about taking big numbers or dodging those

Good morning sunshine, that's how it always is for online games.

Or what, did you think there is some skill involved in warframe? Only if you consider minmaxing a skill, and even then it's pretty straightforward.

You might outskill some situations where you have sub-optimal build sure, but if you want to go in rabbit hole of lv100+ enemies, it's all about stats and frames' abilities.

>>14162077

Do you even have mod space for all of that? I mean sure throw in whatever you feel like, just make sure you don't left out essential shit.

>>14162091

Basically I think certain enemies are a step in the right direction, namely Nox and sometimes Juggernaut, Nox requires you to break his helmet and keep your distance when he is dying, Juggernaut, aside from his insane damage has those soft spots that require better reflexes to take him down fast, hell, compare Lephantis with Jorda's Golem.

>>14162107

>nox and jugg

>armor: the enemies

>a step in the right direction

I disagree. When your enemy's design relies on shooting a certain part or waiting for them to do something in a game with such varied methods of combat, it's a clusterfuck.

>>14162107

It's fun and fancy 1-on-1, but when it's a horde of overleveled grineer with a whole bunch of noxes among them you really don't care about breaking their helmets first, you just need to murder shit as fast as possible while staying 100% safe.

Your reasoning align with old warframe phylosophy when it was slower paced game where you fight 2-3 enemies at a time, with 5 of them being a problem, but now it's a horde game with hundreds of shit rushing you down.

>>14162124

>>14162125

That's the thing, hordes should be a little more dynamic and not rely on big numbers for everything that's my point, 4 frames vs 20 Nox would be stupid, but 2 Nox, 2 Bombards, 1 Hyekka Master, 2 Heavy gunners, etc. is quite different, of course, I am talking on a base level scaling (let's say your squad's total level +X) and not the retarded 10 million armor lv9999 hyper aimbot 500% slash proc enemies.

>>14162198

For that to not be stupidly easy you'd have to rework all the frames, all the weapons, the entire game basically.

Not only it's a huge amount of work, but imagine outrcry of countless metawhores addicting to playing the same shit in the same way every day for years.

Hundreds of people bitched and moaned about tonkor alone for months.

I mean slash nerf didn't happen yet, and people on youtube and their forums already submitted to mass hysteria about DE nerfing their favourite crutch.

>>14162198

What you suggested is the horde composition right now. It's just the thing is you are asking for finesse in a game that at this point almost completely lacks it. What if you're using melee? How are you gonna pop a helmet? What if you're using bladestorm? That's not gonna do shit and can't pop a helmet, or explosives and all manner of other shit that clashes with that design. I like WF's musou-esque design, but it doesn't work with hit the weakpoint type design. It's why everyone hates the bosses, it's why resonance banshee exists solely to spam weakpoints all over so you can't miss the damage bonus, it's partly why snipers are almost never used. The idea of a high priority target already exists too in the form of eximus units and healers, but they tend to throw you around so much and get lost in the horde that it's more efficient to just pound enough damage into them that they can't withstand it, healing and eximus units regardless.

>>14162229

If you think the slash nerf was a good idea you should re examine your life.

>>14162213

Or just rework the AI, stop the zerg rushing and all that, hell, Half-Life enemies get to a point where they stop coming at you and throw grenades, take cover, flank, etc.

>>14162234

>What if you're using melee? How are you gonna pop a helmet? What if you're using bladestorm?

You have 3 weapons for a reason, is like people complaining about the Ghouls in Cetus because they can't go pure melee, even though you can literally go melee with the proper build and just finish with something from a safe distance.

>>14162247

>he needs slash build to do sorties

are you retarded?

>>14162256

How do ghouls prevent melee? And even if you have three weapons, weapon switch is slow and if you're a weak frame you'll be annihilated in the time it takes to take out your gun. And build variety is the best part of warframe, being forced to use a weapon you don't want to seems a little ass backwards.

>>14162271

I wasn't talking about sorties.

I was talking about long survival and defense missions which groups do for fun then for rewards. Also, do an enhanced armour sortie defense with no corrosive projection or slash and tell me how much of a blast you had.

>>14162273

That's the thing, there are ways to improve combat without reworking the whole game, people have been asking for faster weapon switch speeds for example, as for Ghouls preventing melee, people complain because upon death they proc toxin and cold (similar to Nox so there you go), so, weapons you don't like, so there are people who can't stand carrying around a decent primary and secondary in a TPS?

>>14162289

While we're on the subject of armour, if the scaling of grineer heavy gunners and bombards were less ridiculous then a slash nerf wouldn't be a big deal.

>>14162234

>If you think the slash nerf was a good idea you should re examine your life

Why? Because DE can't into balancing, and 6 other damage types are fucking useless?

Bleed scaling of TOTAL damage doesn't make logical sense, it should scale only from slash, like in every fucking game with bleed procs ever.

>>14162247

Just make other damage procs not shit duh. But we know it won't happen.

>>14162289

The simplest solution would make puncture and impact wor exactly like slash and scale off their respective damages and get bonus against specific health types accordingly.

>>14162297

EXACTLY!

>>14162289

very easy. ever heard of finishers?

the slash proc build is very new and we were doing sorties for 2 years before that. try again newfag

>>14162302

>Why? Because DE can't into balancing, and 6 other damage types are fucking useless?

yes. Buffing everything else is always preferable to a nerf.

>Bleed scaling of TOTAL damage doesn't make logical sense, it should scale only from slash, like in every fucking game with bleed procs ever.

First off when the fuck has WF ever balanced mechanics around "making logical sense" and also why the fuck should they just gimp elemental weapons and low slash weapons by not allowing them to use forced slash procs from stances and hunter munitions? The nerf they were suggesting would have just made nerf even more meta and forced.

>>14162296

Warframe being a TPS is optional. With exalted melee weapons, abilities, and melee being both fun and overpowered, shooting isn't very important. And the ghouls leaving shit behind is kind of a non issue for me, as you can typically build around that or avoid it entirely while still using melee by either having a frame that nullifies status or having enough reach on your melee. Point being though, I should be able to use any assortment of equipment (within reason, nobody should be doing a full melee build on mesa) and still be able to function. Hell that's why people want other damage types to be good, so weapons they like that aren't slash or don't force slash, can still compete.

>>14162323

Oh yeah we can just spam radial blind as the only option until that gets nerfed as well rather than just fix the stupid scaling at the root of the problem. I tip my hat to you, confirmed vet player.

As I said, no one would care about slash nerfs if armour wasn't beyond absurd at high levels.

>>14162340

>made nerf even more meta and forced.

*slash

>>14162348

It's a pretty standard critical and combo build.

If you have the molt augment for Saryn then you could forgo life strike for more damage, but if that's out of reach then you'll be fine none the less.

>>14162348

If you're using blood rush, true steel is unnecessary. Also with your good base status, replace body count with drifting contact if you have it. Other than that you're fine.

>>14162341

I want the slash procs nerf because of the way it works for enemies. it won't have any effect at all on the way I play offensively, but it will allow frames that rely on shielding and are squishy underneath (primarily mag, trinity-when-she-doesn't-have-powers-up, titania, and a few others) to actually be at all playable in high-level content. as it stands, a single slash proc in a sortie-3 and mag is toast, no matter what. frankly I think it's retarded that slash damage can proc through shields at all, but that's a whole other discussion. I argued against this bitterly when Damage 2.0 came out and my voice went unheard

I agree that fixing the root of the problem would be better, but I have little confidence that DE is willing to re-work their entire damage system, no matter how bad the game desperately needs it

>>14162348

twin krohkur has poor crit stats (1.7x crit damage and 19% crit chance), would not do a crit build on them. generally they are not a great weapon, you will get better results from a bog standard elemental build (something like primed pressure point, primed fury, spoiled strike, life strike, and 4 11-slot elementals)

>>14162340

>Point being though, I should be able to use any assortment of equipment (within reason, nobody should be doing a full melee build on mesa) and still be able to function.

What would be the drawback of having a rifle and pistol holstered while you go full melee for 99% of the game? I am not advocating to forcing people to shoot every minute or die, just saying a variety of enemy squads would need a variety of weapons equipped, even if you only use one or two for the purpose of peeling certain enemies off, that's why you also have abilities, but then, not all abilities in all frames scale properly so either revamp the way enemies scale or begin scaling frame abilities for PvE.

>>14162363

>I want the slash procs nerf because of the way it works for enemies. it won't have any effect at all on the way I play offensively, but it will allow frames that rely on shielding and are squishy underneath (primarily mag, trinity-when-she-doesn't-have-powers-up, titania, and a few others) to actually be at all playable in high-level content. as it stands, a single slash proc in a sortie-3 and mag is toast, no matter what. frankly I think it's retarded that slash damage can proc through shields at all, but that's a whole other discussion. I argued against this bitterly when Damage 2.0 came out and my voice went unheard

>I agree that fixing the root of the problem would be better, but I have little confidence that DE is willing to re-work their entire damage system, no matter how bad the game desperately needs it

THIS.

>>14162373

Because of the time it takes to either turn off your ability or swap weapons, it's just a hindrance. I like the dual wielding thing DE was going with cause it basically solved that problem, but it only works for throwing melee.

>>14162379

That's fair and quite easy to fix, just reduce the holster time and that's it, I don't think anyone will miss their Speed Holster aura mod.

>>14162386

I'd prefer if they just changed a bind or something so instead of blocking you can just quickly get your lex prime out and blast someone, then once you stop holding right click you put it away.

>>14162387

Why not both? I find dual wielding a glaive very good, but then again, I played dark Sector.

>>14162363

>twin krohkur has poor crit stats (1.7x crit damage and 19% crit chance), would not do a crit build on them. generally they are not a great weapon

Are you actually retarded? Twin Krohkur is one of the best dual swords in the game, hands down. It may be a crowded weapon class because of the multiple good entries, but Twin Krohkur definitely have their own place in the game. Crit slash procs that have been boosted by Condition Overload aren't a joke, even only with a 1.7x multiplier. On top of that, even if their crit chance is sub-25%, with Blood Rush and a 2.5x combo multiplier you're still sitting at a 97.4%, on a weapon you can slap Viral and aspd on and spit out crit slash procs all day.

>>14162401

That's valid. There's so many minor annoyances in the game like that that DE refuses to fix and it just boggles the mind why they refuse. Like universal vacuum, I cannot fathom why it would make a negative impact on the game.

>>14162358

Fair point, I use regen molt extensively, I just have a bad habit of slapping life strike onto everything like I would pressure point.

That being said, I just happen to have saryn up here, I don't really use here as a meleeframe with combo count and all that; and on my frames that I can 'main' melee on, I DO need lifestrike (Inaros/Nidus; lifestrike/rage synergy self explanatory for endless sustainability)

>>14162360

nope, no drifting contact

>>14162363

I get they're not a great weapon, but I like the way they look, and while they're not going to ever go into meta or even 'good' crit territory, and the crit feeds well into berserker, so they speed up fast. It's not the 'biggest' crits, but you can pretty easily get a couple orange numbers if you slide-attack into a mob, I think also decent slash proc chance with high attack speed ultimately would be more damage over time than 'innately higher damage' (11-slot elements) that doesn't upscale with the crits/speed.

I mean I'll choose atterax or galatine or nikana if I'm doing some serious melee only thing. Krokhurs look cool, and aren't total MR fodder; unlike most dual weapons. I mainly use Mios on Saryn anyways.

>>14162410

Exactly, what I am discussing mostly would just make room for some real end game but there is a vocal minority of people on the forums that literally say "everything in Lv100+ dies too fast, please make them harder DE" and then DE makes them harder… by adding more armor, procs and health, then one has to wonder, if you think is hard why do you spend so much time on getting that prime thingy, adding formas and getting your meme strike if you are going to complain about stuff dying too fast when you are literally trying to make a weapon that kills fast?

>>14162410

>universal vacuum

The most retarded part of the "debate" we all know that there's nothing to discuss is that some say that once vacuum is universal that there will be no reason to use sentinels, while completely ignoring the fact that there is no reason to use pets in the current state.

Kubrows are shitty and expensive and they would be so after receiving vacuum.

>>14162432

Another thing I really hate is how all in all, you are dependent on energy (and health currently thanks to procs ignoring shields) but energy siphon is an aura mod instead of a passive for all frames in some way, the same goes for vacuum, fun fact, there is the Chesa kubrow who will break containers and pick up loot… when out of combat, taking its sweet time and completely unable to just pick it up by walking over it while following you, hell, Scavenger doesn't pry open the lockers, it just unlocks them.

Sentinels would still have their use and more mod space with universal vacuum, I found Taxon to be great for example, I keep Carrier around because it makes ammo mutation obsolete.

>>14162424

>NEED life strike on inaros

u wot

and yeh, you can scale with crits and berserker and all that but to me doing a crit build on a weapon that's not suited for it is just a waste of time – if it works for you have at it

>>14162404

>waiting for enemies to die from slash procs

nah

>>14162427

But how would you make it hard? It's practically a musou at this point, and those games are typically very easy to my knowledge. Warframe has also just suffered from power creep in every department for better or for worse.

>>14162432

Kubrows and kavats are plenty good but even with vacuum they would still only be about on par with sentinels. For christ sakes, sentinels can revive you, cloak you, heal you, give you ammo, send enemies flying across the map, and tons fucking more. The most a kubrow or kavat can do is annihilate something with a slash proc, get some items, cloak you, and give you random little buffs.

>>14162443

I think energy siphon being passive would be a little over kill. As it stands energy shouldn't really be a problem for any frame unless you spam abilities pretty hard with a negative efficiency build.

>>14162459

And don't forget how a dog/cat pet also requires you to feed him pills every other day and constantly pet him if he dies too much (which he will in just about any high level shit) or he just stops doing damage.

It's absolutely fucked how useless they are in comparison to a flying little trinket

>>14162454

>waiting

So not only do you not know how to build weapons you also don't know what slash procs do or how people use them?

It just occurred to me, why the fuck is nova's wormhole augment an exilus mod? Why does she get special treatment when there are tons of augments deserving of the exilus slot? Did DE just forget?

>>14162501

Those parts I don't mind so much. The stabilizers are pretty cheap and can last a long while with the nutria segment, and your pet should not being dying period, even with the shit AI.

>>14162459

Well, let's compare something like DMC4 on LDK mode and any other musou, in the former enemies will fight back, you just need to provide enemies with a more varied set of skills and combine them as I have mentioned before.

As far as I have seen from other people, Warframe is not supposed to be super hard but fast paced and action packed, the problem stems from the need to grind and the long but uninteresting levels, people decided to adopt the fast because playing is kind of a chore.

Obviously, siphon would need to be 0.5 energy per second at most, just enough to not leave you powerless when you need it, alternatively you would need to get an energy orb on every container guaranteed or have the totems provide you with energy over time instead of pulses.

>>14162524

valkyr's hysterical assault is also exilus. it's because they are mods that don't add damage or "power" to the frame, but more utility

>>14162535

Why isn't something like everlasting ward exilus then? Like I said, if it was reserved for mods that just add utility we'd have a lot more of them in the exilus slot.

>>14162530

But the enemies we have do fight back, in fact that is a pretty common complaint across the thread is that they fuck you up too hard. I don't really know what you could add to make the game challenging. The frames and weapons are just too strong so the game become "one shot or be one shot". It eludes me how to remedy this cause taking away being one shot will make all the tank frames laugh even harder, and taking away one shotting enemies will make the game a slog. I'm pretty happy with the way the game is right now honestly, save for all the minor complaints. As for "end game" I just want something sortie level to play more than once a day, and maybe more raids and more thought put into them.

And seriously, how do you have problems with energy? enemies drop it enough that I never run out even without zenurik or energy pizzas.

>>14162565

everlasting ward increases the "power" of the ability quite a bit though. don't get me wrong I'm not defending DE's shitty choices and I agree way more mods should be exilus-valid but I wouldn't say everlasting ward is one of them

>>14162565

>But the enemies we have do fight back, in fact that is a pretty common complaint across the thread is that they fuck you up too hard.

Fighting back is not the same as instant kill, they should be troublesome in numbers, but instead only one of them is enough to bypass your shields and take you down, when I was in that sortie it was just one eximus, shooting me from an impossible angle and killing me twice with no line of sight.

>>14162454

>NEED life strike on inaros

inaros doesn't NEED lifestrike, but qol of playing him in long games is greatly improved when you don't need to stop coptering to press 1 or 2 and can just tap the mouse button to heal while you're slide-attacking across a room.

>>14162597

Was Damage 3.0 that thing about removing the need for damage mods? I presume like Serration.

>>14162581

Yeah, cause you're mag. Nidus, valkyr, inaros, etc, all fucking laugh at that. And they're already meta as hell. I don't see what nerfing damage is gonna do outside of make the game easier in general.

>>14162682

There was another sortie where I died to a single toxin proc from a mutalist osprey, not as Mag, but then again no matter what frame I use, there is something that will kill me in one hit at certain levels.

What I would propose is not nerfing damage, unless reworking the way enemies scale is considered nerfing in your book, as I said, just make the enemies smarter and more varied, bullet sponges that kill you in one hit ignoring shields and armor are cheap, not hard, just cheap.

>>14162710

>just make the enemies smarter and more varied

Like? Enemies are pretty fucking varied, and I don't know what smarter would do here except they run from threats.

>>14162729

Compared to what I saw years back yes, there are more enemies with different patterns, and you just hit the nail, I said it previously, they have to stop pumping up the numbers and make them actually try different approaches, nullifiers for example are very interesting and sometimes enemies get inside the bubble, have you also noticed how enemies rarely shoot while running or walking in "formations" ?

>>14162749

I don't see that adding much to the game. Enemies deploy cover already and it's pointless. They throw grenades and it's pointless. Running away from threats would either be pointless or make melee a chore to use. Nullifiers already cover enemies plenty and the solution is still just to shoot it. Formation would be neat is they were protecting an ancient healer or eximus unit, but you're still just gonna wipe the lot of them and they tend to hide in the sea of enemies already anyway. And abusing the bad AI is part of a lot of game mechanics like octavia's mallet and loki's decoy.

>>14162804

Have you really played only one frame for a year or is this a ruse?

>>14162804

Trinity, Rhino, Banshee.

Exalted blade builds are sorta glass canon as you only have defense from the front and still take 40% of damage. His AOE builds are more survivable but much less fun.

>>14162815

I played with Volt for a month and then with Rhino for a year and a half. Exclusively.

I assume he just MR other frames like I did because why fix that isn't broken until it's broken?

>>14162804

Any sort of playstyle do you tend to enjoy?

Nova, Nyx, and Frost are all readily available to mid-map progress and play well with teams. Broberon is kinda weak, but if you pre-plan with a team you can fill most gaps. Ember has a nice CC build, but it requires a syndicate mod.

>>14162830

Maybe it's just cause I started with mag, but fucking how? I looked for new frames pretty early.

>>14162844

Because mag is shit and not fun.

Playing for a year with fun frame like Ex or Rhino is a non-issue.

>>14162815

No, but I basically have. I have max rank Frost, Valkyr, Oberon too. I've mostly played Excalibur since I could only survive by spamming his exalted blade. Any of the others didn't survive my ignorance for long, especially when I was soloing the later missions. It's actually been closer to two years now but I'm hesitant to expose the length and depth of my ineptitude.

>>14162830

Cool, I nearly have a Trinity Prime nearly ready to build.

>AOE build

I swear I've been such a one trick pony I'm surprised I never dropped the game. If it weren't for the loot my interest wouldn't have survived long enough to enjoy the strategic elements that seem to be underneath.

>>14162840

I want to play a more supportive role and get carried more aggressive frames if possible. I just picked up rejuvenation tonight and may be looking to incorporate that if it's worthwhile. What syndicate mod is that. Just curious, I would play a booty frame.

>>14162884

Firequake, it makes it so Ember's ult has a 100% knockdown. It's not the most fun build, but it is effective. But from what you describe I'd go with Nyx. Her talent for causing chaos is a great sort of non-standard support that works well in the vast majority of cases, solo or in teams.

>>14162908

Awesome. She looks great too, especially since I was unaware of her and fucking Nezha popped in mind first. Thanks!

>>14162983

prime is getting unvaulted soon too, so you'll get a chance at that.

>>14162884

>I want to play a more supportive role and get carried more aggressive frames if possible

Get Harrow, most fun support.

>AoE CC that gives permanent overshield until damage removes it (can get close to 4k shied)

>AoE reload speed, fire speed and health restore on kill

>Energy restore on kill

>10 seconds invulnerability for everyone, after 10 seconds the damage it absorbed turns into crit chance for another 20.

And everything besides overshield also affects the group. Just get a crit weapon and have fun.

>>14164317

4k overshields is nothing at level 100 though.

The rest is pretty amazing though, yeah.

Get Harrow.

>>14164535

Post a pic of your nose.

>>14164553

Why would I do something this lewd?

>>14164562

I wont believe the pic isnt edited otherwise, only a person with a huge nose could pull over 1500 plat out of thin air.

Unvaulting when, Tenno? I'm hoping for Nova and Ember

>>14164623

I only get shit that goes for like 5 plat max.

>>14164605

>>14164623

They said on devstream that around feb 6

It should be frost, ember and loki at the same time

>>14164631

You can always rely on syndicate mods I guess.

>>14164633

Shit, I have both Rhino and Loki.

Just flaming ass it is then.

I really want a grinneer warframe

that's the grinneer king

also a prime equivalent of grinneer weapons

>>14164633

ember and loki it will be then

still two out of three isn't a bad score

What mods do I put on Twin Grakatas so it stops being dogshit but doesn't require me to eat a potato?

>>14164733

biggest issue with it is the reload time

>>14164648

> prime equivalent of grinneer weapons

It's called wraith

>>14164975

wraith eh? interesting

>>14165018

>not being able to justifiably use the Prisma Obex

>kicking enemies asses into the milky way in open areas just isn't a good justification

Anon, please.

>>14159406

Half of the gameplay is that.

What, do you hate fun?

>>14164975

>>14164984

wraith weapons are customized by the red veil, not by the grineer – also not all are grineer weapons (latron wraith)

but yeah, gorgon wraith, viper/twin viper wraith, and furax wraith are all grineer weapons and quite endgame-worthy albeit needing some work… I can bring my gorgon wraith to sorties or kuva floods but it has 8 forma, a riven mod, 2 primed mods, a corrupted mod, and a nightmare mod on it

>>14165072

Yeah but while the prisma obex is fine, for damange it doesn't really seem to stack up. Granted I've been building for crits so I might want to try a status build now that I got back my condition overload.

>>14165466

Do both.

>>14166440

Is this carnival posting? Are we going to start posting Dobson art again?

What's a fun mission to level full sets of brand new unranked frames/weapons on? I've been using apollodorus forever but a little bored of that now.

Also on a separate and unrelated note, I've heard Chroma, Trin, Harrow and Titania are good for Eidolon hunts. I don't have Harrow and Titania, I haven't played Chroma or Trin in forever and never really played them much in the first place and I don't really know how to play and probably don't have all the mods to do a proper bless trin or vex chroma. That being said; what other frames can I use, and what kinds of tactics should I employ if I just try pub into eidolon hunts to leech cores without being a total shitter or outright detriment to the team? (I get the core idea is to shoot their elbows and knees with your operator until shields are down and then shoot it with a low rof high damage thing until it pops, but like half the time I've ended up in one of these fights It's hard to tell what the fuck is going on and I don't think I've ever landed a solid weapon shot on a knee/elbow, I usually just go in and out of operator mode to try strip shields or attack the little ball eidolons that show up.)

>>14166592

Volt is often brought along too, if you shoot through his shield the crit damage of your shot is doubled and speed is helpful to quickly run and get balloons.

>>14166592

As long as there is a chroma and volt you should be fine.

>>14166501

What is dobson art?

>>14167129

How do you not know who Dobson "Inflate the Dame" cuck is?

>>14167186

I don't know many things when it comes to cucks.

>rescue

>release the prisoner

>takes forever for lotusordis to realize that i found him

>meanwhile entire map is shooting prisoner in the face

Thanks, I love having a use for stealth frames

>>14167521

Makes me rage when Nightmare and Sortie modify it so the base will always be on high alert as soon as you approach the cells.

>>14167708

>playing with other people

>playing rescue with other people

>playing defection at all

>>14167739

You have to do it if you want the last Harrow part.

>>14167739

Call me when there is another way to get Harrow.

>>14167844

no no no no no, my dear sweet goy

I mean buy directly from the frame selection submenu

>>14167708

What I mean is, stealth is negated in Nightmare because it is on alert no matter what you do.

Stupid Nidus neuroptics refuse to drop.

Sometimes I find stupid how you need so many credits to rank up mods when you also have to use Endo, on the other hand I find it at least better than having to use fusion cores.

>>14168014

>grinding for blueprints and materials is not stupid

>paying credits AND waiting for it to be built is not stupid

>paying MORE credits AND WATING 72 HOURS for parts to be built into fucking frame is not stupid

>leveling mods with credits is stupid

Anon, please.

>>14168014

You'll be swimming in credits in no time. I blew 13 million on prime pedestal when baro came with it cause I had nothing else to use it on.

>>14160834

Didn't they show mesa prime at the last Devstream? Or was it deluxe? I think they are gona rush her and break sequence again, she is popular enough and Zephyr prime will probably be delayed to come with her rework

>>14168014

>>14168235

>>14168872

Sell a riven or two, make 40 plat, buy a 3 day credit booster and then spam med risk index and you'll be swimming in cash so fast you'll feel retarded for not doing it sooner

>>14168235

>Turning credit into plat

Undoable, to my knowledge

>>14168893

Should they remove zephyr from the game altogether nobody would notice tbh.

>>14168919

>>14168938

>buy 13 cheapest primed mods that aren't trash

>sell them month later

>profit

You goym are adorable.

>>14168978

He said credits, not credits and ducats.

>>14168978

>Primed mods for credits

Yeah, sure, credits are the main trading currency there. Lemme waste some time farming credits only and see how many primed mods I can buy.

>>14169030

>you should buy those mods from other people

For credits?

Jesus man, don't embarass yourself and assume you fucked up.

And I WISH there was a market for prime pedestals, that would be a real credit for plat transaction

>>14169030

>question about turning credits only into plat

>WOW WHAT DID YOU EXPECT WHY SHOULD I ANSWER THE QUESTION R U STOOPID

Consider moving to Gensokyo.

>>14169052

>>14169057

>I can't read

How the fuck there are TWO of you?

>>14169063

It is a miracle you can operate a mouse and keyboard. Digital inclusion was a mistake

>>14168919

>medium

>not high

why?

>>14169265

Medium has better credit/minute ratio

did I miss any potatoes recently? I've been out of weapon taters for a while

>>14169402

There was a potato alert + lotus potato gift + potato invasion all in one day a couple days ago and I got a golden tater on a sortie the same day lel

Is it worth coming back to the game if you quit when PoE came out? I completed the starchart and built all my favorite frames. Is there anything to do nowadays?

>>14169853

Collect more

Do trials

Nothing major in the near future except another frame and possibly vehicles.

Why isn't there an NG+ system for the starchart? That alone would create endgame content for players who have 'beat' the game.

>Vehicles

>everyone can fly

>even zephyr can fly now!

>>14169882

it's still in "beta"

>>14169871

>>14169900

The way I look at it is now we can fly without having to harvest fish oil.

Who am I kidding, the way to steal a dargyn will probably require some even bigger pain in the ass build requirement.

>>14169907

Apparently not.

>>14169907

Are they just using the 'beta' excuse to justify not making a proper endgame? Because there is absolutely jack shit to do once you've unlocked the entire starchart.

>>14170004

Sortie? well, I would rather get more taters and exilus but sculptures are OK I guess.

>>14170004

>that many amber stars

FUCKING HOW?

I have a ton of ayatans just fucking waiting to be filled cause the ambers never drop for me.

>>14170137

You serious? I stopped playing 2 years ago, got back 1 month ago and I got like 50 or so in the span of a week.

>>14170217

I know it is frustrating, people want Rivens most of the time, is interesting when you notice the only other common item or the uncommons/rares come up more often than not for the majority of the people.

>>14170746

Just use her default skin.

>>14170855

I can't get any good combinations on the default skin.

>>14171352

That one looks OKish but I find the orange too bright, yeah, sounds stupid when I use red, but I use some less saturated red in that one, when it comes to default valkyrie let's say I tend to keep the dark parts in darker colors, inverted could work, maybe I need to check it, other than that I am using too much blue in other frames and I didn't want to repeat that on Valkyr.

Is it normal to play Octavia and barely shoot?

>>14171383

Entirely. You place mallet, go invisible, and press 4 then win.

>>14171388

Is too bad emotes are a little hard to use because you have to cancel them with ESC or by re-selecting them

>>14171753

I didn't like the DX skin either.

>>14170746

>>14171753

>Valkyr Prime

>Not Gersemi Prime

>Doesn't even look like Gersemi

>lore? fuck that lol

>>14171992

If you ask me there is no reason for Valkyr to keep the bonds nailed to her arms either.

>>14171992

This pissed me off so much. They literally had the design basis already.

>>14172853

>using recruit/trade chat without filters

???

>>14173723

less-players = less mobs spawning

>>14173735

You just blew my fucking mind.

>finally get off my ass to finishing farming animo nav beacons

>go fight ambulas for excalibur parts

>get trinity chassis blueprint instead

What the fuck?

I still don't know why alerts keep giving some minuscule resource quantities, why not giving just enough for the average item crafting? that is, if most frames used like 1000 rubedo, then why not giving 700-1000 rubedo? as for endo, if not 1000 why not 500, void traces, just enough to refine one relic maybe, etc.

>>14174259

I think they changed some drop locations since last hotfix.

>>14174259

Did some digging and found out they shuffled the drop locations of Frost, Trinity, and Excalibur. Time to go farm Lech Kril instead of wasting time on Ambulas.

Hydron gets slow with people leavint at wave 5, any place to power level from 20 to 30?

>>14174337

Yeah, it's called not playing with the shitters that all pubs are and getting a party to go past wave 5.

>>14174370

to be fair, it also gets a little boring with the same tileset, so, any more options?

>>14174390

eximus stronghold sortie

So have any of you fags gotten a Kogake Prime and how fun is it compared to Obex Prisma?

>>14174819

components are eluding me and I am not in the mood to refine 50 relics, I went for Venka Prime instead.

Shotgun only sortie mission today, I got no shotguns so I guess I'll miss this one, but now I have a good excuse to ask for good Shotguns that are not Tigris Prime, I am still a little far from getting a Vaykor Hek.

>>14174988

Buy a mk1 strun for credits and do it. Also you really can't go wrong with shotguns, the regular hek is almost on par with vaykor except muh hunter munitions. Tigris prime obviously, astilla, arca plasmor, are all also really good.

>>14174998

Do Hunter Munitions has some kind of synergy with Vaykor Hek?

>>14175006

Regular Hek has 10% base crit, Vaykor has 25% base.

>>14175020

I see, but then I wonder, is 10% crit per pellet or shot?

>>14175006

It has a synergy with everything that crits. So vaykor with blunderbuss has about 50% crit chance, and I'm pretty sure that's every pellet's chance, so you can get quite a few slash procs off on every shot.

>>14175038

Shotgun pellets crit individually, that is what gives Vaykor Hek solid consistent damage instead of swingy everything-or-nothing. With Scattered Justice the Hek does have nearly double (420% vs 220%) the pellets but after Blunderbuss you are looking at over twice (19% vs 47.5%) the crit chance, giving V.Hek more crit pellets per shot on average.

>>14175069

I see, so is not exactly a huge loss for vanilla hek I guess, guess I will check the other shotguns too.

>>14175093

With the vanilla Hek you just want to ignore crits for the most part, you get better damage/shot returns from a balanced mix of +%elemental & +%damage mods. If you want to mess with crits the Corinth packs slightly better base damage and better crits than V.Hek (30% x2.8 vs 25% x2) but loses out in rate of fire and magazine size, no syndicate proc either.

>>14175116

Corinth looks interesting.

>>14175131

It's pretty good, but the reload and fire rate can be a little sluggish, so bring a volt, harrow, or toxic chroma if you find it bothering you.

>>14175139

Well, is not full 3-4 seconds like Sobek.

>>14175210

True but it only hold five shots unlike the sobek.

>>14175335

No idea, the update doesn't seem to have anything relevant other than skins and a captura scene unlocked.

>Claws have shit reach

>The stances don't have any mobility

>Valkyr doesn't get down on all fours when using hysteria

>Fist weapons have the same issue

>Sparing fists are just unpleasant to use

I just want to hit people and not be outpaced by some asshole casually stepping backwards.

>>14175272

Even for Sobek's magazine size I find its reload time to be very insulting.

>>14175369

You gotta have fast hot speed and use the right combos. Malicious raptor's block combo is pretty good and has a built in finisher.

>>14175335

So this tennogen shit is steambucks only right?

No plat or trading between players?

>>14175559

You are correct.

>>14177701

Vauban is a raid frame.

In general gameplay he's just worse frost.

>>14177701

>Is throwing 4 at large masses of enemies the only way to enjoy Vauban

Yeah pretty much that and his 3. And why would a trap layer be getting into the thick of it?