3cacd4 No.14100198
Do MMOs other than World of Warcraft still exist, or did Blizzard successfully kill them all?
39de37 No.14100241
>>14100198
The few people that I know who play MMOs all play GW2, I don't know anyone who plays WoW.
So the answer to your question is no.
bd4583 No.14100253
>>14100198
Blizzard didn't kill other MMOs, they never gave a shit, other MMOs killed themselves by copying WoW. Every WoW fan already played and was invested in WoW and nobody else liked WoW's gameplay model so copying WoW was basically suicide.
84b888 No.14100256
>>14100198
Most mmos are dead. Back in the early 2000's people used mmos to socialize. nowdays mmos are just full of weird social autists who don't talk to anyone and sperg out if you don't do everything a certain way. Mmos are dead. Just play a good rpg.
407c66 No.14100521
427424 No.14100539
>>14100256
Casual that got asspained he got called out on doing 1/10th the DPS as the rest of the group detected.
7d653d No.14100563
PSO2 and FF14 are still going strong.
5fd5d7 No.14100578
>>14100256
hey remember when an MMO wasn't about reading the wiki
429bab No.14100608
>>14100539
You have to go back
427424 No.14100613
>>14100554
>>14100608
>so mad he's ID hopping
6f2acb No.14100650
>>14100539
Suicide is the answer for you
184de4 No.14100665
Define exist. I still play Anarchy Online, and even though thye've lost a shitton of players (So many that they're down to just one server), there are still enough people for it to be fun to play. It used to be the kind of MMO where you couldn't do jack shit alone, too. Now they've been introducing ways to progress without a team since for the last couple of years finding a team at low levels has been tough.
07b83e No.14100680
>>14100591
Is this waifu sim any good?
429bab No.14100739
>>14100613
Says the guy who unironically plays and defends modern MMOs
You have to go back
52edf0 No.14100794
>>14100198
>im too stupid too google, please spoonfeed me /v/!
d2e95b No.14100800
>>14100739
It's my pleasure to inform you I have posted without saging to spite you.
427424 No.14100803
>>14100739
>you have to be actively playing an MMO to recognize the faggots who'd unironically complain about 'elitists' in MMOs
8c9cb4 No.14100806
a7ef1c No.14100815
What would a new MMO have to do to catch people's attention? What could it do?
0e1850 No.14100816
Dragon Slayer 2 just released yesterday.
>inb4 muh ge
>m-muh social interactions dood!!!
>>14100539
is right
b139cf No.14100824
>>14100816
I'll never understand why you guys are so asspained that people don't like a feature of your game.
780009 No.14100892
>>14100563
i can't understand why, they're both formulaic repetitive pieces of shit with clunky combat that we've seen for years. The only difference is that one panders heavily to weeaboos and the other has a BIG franchise name behind it while also partially pandering to weeaboos.
the only logical explanation i could find, is that after 2007 the player base began changing drastically, its been 10 years, now going into the 11th year of the popularization of "nerd culture", and the gradual change has pretty much replaced the old fanbase entirely. to the point companies can rake in the cash by simply making more of the same flavorless grey mush they've been doing for nearly 2 decades.
>>14100578
yeah, i remember the times when doing a quest implied asking other people for directions, or even help defeating a strong enemy, instead now its just follow the wiki until you've done everything, DO YOU FEEL ACHIEVED YET???
2db19f No.14100900
>>14100680
I think this is the one where gold selling is so bad that you can't chat in public channels because of all the gold spam.
cee737 No.14100931
How good is Tree of Savior and Uncharted Waters Online? I've had some interest in these two titles.
cee737 No.14100932
>>14100931
<Captcha removed the images
bd8a48 No.14100945
>>14100932
I played TOS and it's kinda shit.
2D heads contrast with 3D bodies too much, and combat is straight outta Ragnarok Online if a bit modernized.
51da0f No.14100961
>>14100931
Tree of Savior is bad, and is littered with terrible design choices. As an RO veteran i really wanted to like the game but it just has too many issues; and i gave the game an actual shot.
Haven't kept up with it in quite some time however, but i know its still about the same.
2db19f No.14100976
>>14100931
ToS is a time wasting game. There's nothing to do other than kill easy stuff and make more money.
cee737 No.14100980
dc0f43 No.14100984
>>14100816
>Implying the GE is the only thing wrong with 2007scape at this point.
a84870 No.14100995
>>14100900
ever since release m8
d87493 No.14101008
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9d57b2 No.14101009
>>14100816
>Still supporting Jagex after Insight Venture Partners bought out 51% of their stock at the end of 2010, and implemented microtransactions soon after (e.g. Squeal of Fortune, Solomon's General Store)
>Still supporting Jagex after EoC released and turned the combat into generic trash
>Still supporting Jagex after the horrendous RS3 graphical update that made everything look like a discount WoW
>Still supporting Jagex after they absolutely butchered the lore by killing Guthix in the most retarded manner possible
>Still supporting Jagex after they shit on the economy and killed skilling by making Zulrah outclass every single other money maker in the game, except maybe sellling rune items to the Karamja general store (which itself is totally fucking retarded)
>Still supporting Jagex after it took them two years to remove 6 hour NMZ AFKing
>Still supporting Jagex after they totally ignored the base game and shifted all their attention to Zeah and it's DeviantArt-tier lore and worldbuilding
>Still supporting Jagex after they then crammed Zeah with cancerous normalfag memes
>Still supporting Jagex after they added an UNPOLLED FAG PRIDE PARADE
>Still supporting Jagex after they re-released the game and absolutely, totally fucking ruined it
>Again
HOLY SHIT I FUCKING HATE YOU, KILL YOURSELF
GET THE FUCK OFF MY BOARD YOU TREMENDOUS FAGGOT
9d57b2 No.14101014
>>14100816
Oh, and I forgot one:
>Still supporting Jagex after they got bought out by a fucking CHINESE MINING COMPANY of all things
6f2acb No.14101029
>>14100816
No. At least we have /v/scape then
7b1b12 No.14101053
Play on uorenaissance faggot. Or project 1999. Fuck off.
dbb500 No.14101123
>>14101053
this, or ultima online endless comes out soon if you're starve for nu-ultima online content.
c5a770 No.14101138
>>14100680
>>14100900
There isnt any gold selling in BDO anymore since players cant trade anything of value
77ddfe No.14101141
>>14101053
Only do this if you didn't play the games in their heyday.
dbb500 No.14101283
>>14101138
now it's an online singleplayer game.
e0a099 No.14101354
>>14100198
MMO's don't exist as most are SP games with other people running around them.
3285b9 No.14101433
>>14100198
Other MMOs exist, but none of them are good. If anything, WoW boosted the numbers for a lot of other MMOs because WoW breathed new life and interest into the genre. Now FF XIV stands at the top of the heap because WoW is old and stale.
>>14100892
>i can't understand why, they're both formulaic repetitive pieces of shit with clunky combat that we've seen for years.
The entire MMO genre in a nutshell.
>>14100253
This shit right here. Especially Everquest 2 and Star Wars Galaxies. The moment those two games tried to imitate WoW, their already dwindling fanbases left for good.
Then I guess there's shitty gook games like >>14100591 but Goddamn that game is bad.
I think eventually, we're going to step away from the MMO genre as a whole, and more and more developers will pull away from selling games as products, but instead games as services. So every game will eventually just happen to also be an MMO atop of the game it's also intending to be. In short, we're going to see more shit like GTA:O for every game across the board.
Buckle up, kids.
a69b8a No.14101454
Could you make a mmo just about waiting in line?
Thousands of people waiting in line for a train gain random rpg powers when the world suddenly shifts with some turning into monsters or whatever and have to group vie for better place in line.
When the end of the line is finally reached the players rightfully receive death because the journey was the destination GOTY
780009 No.14101480
>>14101354
>>14101433
those are the gladiator charges and slash attack, man i miss lineage 2
8cc74b No.14101485
>>14100816
>he actually likes playing runescape with destroyed trading and crippled player interaction
>he actually memes about these points as if they were jokes to him
abfe99 No.14101548
>>14101029
>/v/scape
Isn't it still dead?
9f5499 No.14101672
There's some old 2d mmo called Trickster online. The visuals and the soundtrack is pretty good, the gameplay itself is nothing spectacular though. I wanna say Emil chronicles online for having similarities to Ragnarok online but the main servers are dead and the only english private server does not even have all the skills functioning properly. The only things going for that server are the customizable faces and hair and how every cash shop roulette is free through ingame means with no real cash alternative. Other than that it is a weeb mmo with weeb visuals, collabs with a nice soundtrack and a wide selection of classes. I even saw Di Gi Charat ingame in a town
48f6ef No.14101786
DCUO is still going, and it's lots of fun if you have patience and not get trapped into being microtransactioned to death. Though I think that every player there is silently on the edge of their seats waiting to ditch it for a new, better superhero MMO.
864a9a No.14101794
>>14100198
I'm having fun with dragons dogma online. there's very little socialization but I love the combat.
94bf52 No.14101853
>>14100980
I've played UWO but I hardly scratched the surface of the game. It's pretty deep I don't know if I would be wrong in saying it's sort of a nautical EVE online and it has a loyal community. Overall it's pretty comfy and if you like the historical setting you should give it a try.
e1c2e1 No.14101861
Dofus
Oldschool Runescape
MapleStory private servers
67885b No.14101877
>>14101786
>DCUO
<in the end you are just a gloryfied sidekick fuckboi
>Champions
<people still plat …and pay…for it
<no significant development in years
SuperHero mmos are dead
5239f5 No.14102146
>>14100591
>recommending griding single player game, the MMO
>featuring p2w shit
26bba5 No.14102673
>>14100578
>wiki
the only thing that can save something from being "figured out" is having procedurally generated content anon, and you know that /v/ doesn't like ideas like that because mineautism and such used it :^)
d939c2 No.14102699
>>14101009
Monkey Madness 2 tho
554e6e No.14102783
They do exist OP, you're just not allowed to talk about them.
fe7f94 No.14102846
>>14100253
Blizzard sabotaged alot of MMO projects they saw as competition and over time other MMO projects took a good chunk of their players
4f19a9 No.14102867
>>14100198
FF14 is the second largest and it's doing very well. ESO is 3rd and it's also healthy. BDO seems to be somewhat popular. Anything else probably has less than 100k players.
11835b No.14102875
Runescape's the best its been in the past 5 years, starting to challenge pre-EOC numbers, despite the fact that no sane person should be playing that pile of garbage in (((2018))).
17c6d5 No.14103060
>>14100945
>and combat is straight outta Ragnarok Online
That's because it's made by the director behind Ragnarok.
0e392d No.14103131
>>14100816
The magic that made Runescape fun is long gone. Nobody makes games for the love of making games anymore. It's all about microtransactions, virtue signaling fag pride events that the community doesn't want, and trying to stay relevant by copycatting the bigger MMOs and ruining your combat system. OSRS was fun for a bit, but with literal fag mods eroding the game from the inside it's only a matter of time before Jagex takes Runescape in the wrong direction. Again.
b1a0fd No.14103155
>like Archeage aesthetics and the qt females on it.
>game is completely dead for new players and f2p stand no chance in anything
I'm just gonna level too 50 and call it quits.
da665e No.14103163
>>14102783
Gw2 is garbage you turbo tranny nigger
f527bb No.14103187
>ctrl+f
>only two mentions as sidenotes
EVE:ONLINE, motherfuckers!
It went free to play for all entry level ships and skills, which has added a massive pop boost, and bolstered the ranks of most corps with fresh cannon fodder recruits. Besides it's never ending autism that appears to be too nuch for /v/ even, it is still kicking.
11835b No.14103271
>>14103187
If you want to play a social game for ancaps then play EVE.
d87493 No.14103281
>>14103187
>EVE
no thanks, i don't want to play space goon simulator
a84870 No.14103367
>>14103281
EvE is large enouth to not be a goon.
4f7f91 No.14103377
>>14100563
>PSO2
>gatcha shit
>FFXIV
>tombstone farming and cash shop kikery
FFXIV had a chance but they shit the bed with Stormblood. ARR showed us that they could do something with the game and Heavensward was it's height but SB showed us their true form. Turns out they just want your shekels while doing as little as they can.
11835b No.14103393
>>14103377
In game housing and marriage should have been the first call. Also any MMO that charges for server transfers is not to be trusted.
a9f3ca No.14103398
>>14103281
didnt they get shrekt and half of them quit?
a4ada8 No.14103439
>>14100816
>>inb4 muh ge
>>m-muh social interactions dood!!!
Motherfucking inafter and muh. That was half the god damn game's charm right there, dashed away for some lazy fucks. OSRS should've stopped at 2006.
834618 No.14103458
>>14103187
>EVE Online
>A colossal money sink for the rare privilege of simulating paper pusher work but of a type that is completely useless for any actual field.
I get that the autism spectrum is just rife with stupid overly complicated faff, but let's find something a little bit better to spend free time on.
fe7f94 No.14103601
>>14103187
>>14103035
>>14103367
>EVE ONLINE
>literally a game completelly overrun and controlled by goons + a huge monkey sinker
f66054 No.14103623
Was or stil am kinda looking for a solid comfy MMO but this thread isn't really bringing any hope to find any.
>a huge monkey sinker
poor things
fe7f94 No.14103665
>>14103623
>wasting money from your mommy's credit card on some goon game
>LEL YOU ARE POOR XD
d2e95b No.14103669
>>14103623
Lord of the Rings Online
034317 No.14103710
>>14103060
>>14100945
>combat is straight out of RO
<ToS
>cooldown simulator and occasional normal attack whacking
>each class combination has a shitton of skills to use
>can't even chugspam pots
>if you can't kill a boss in a single rotation of your skills, tough luck, run around and wait for cooldown
<RO
>literally just use a single skill
>spam that shit to hell and back
>right click builds don't even touch skills other than buffs
>chug pots like water facetanking the boss
>just fucking spam those skills while chugging mana pots nigga
They're both Various Sized Poring Slapping Simulator I'll give you that, but they play nothing alike.
3b0d28 No.14103780
>>14100816
Jagex couldn't let that game go a year without starting to fuck it up, and it's only gotten worse since then. I wouldn't re-sub unless they re-released OSRS and didn't update it. Even then they'd find a way to screw it up.
>we're almost as far away from the release of OSRS as that was from the removal of wildy pvp in actual 2007 RS
>>14101009
This sums it up nicely.
f66054 No.14103835
>>14103665
'tis but a joke anon, calm your autism.
>>14103669
2007? Isn't that a bit too old for new guys to start?
09bee5 No.14103848
>>14100198
I still play RS3, but I don't play as much as I used to. I ran out of content to do.
9a7c89 No.14103851
>>14102699
Monkey Madness 2 is just bootleg While Guthix Sleeps, and you know it.
fa3928 No.14103866
>>14103835
It's still fairly active and constantly updating, just recently released Mordor as an expansion pack, and added High Elves as a separate race from the regular elves.
389b47 No.14103966
>>14100198
Oh, they EXIST; fuckin' Ragnarok Online 2 is still up and running, for god's sake; it's just most MMOs are dead outside of the initial rush of people getting into and subsequently out of the game. You really want an MMO, you wait for some game to release a new server or an anticipated fanserver to bust open, and you'll see people actually playing for a few months until they get sick of shit again. That, or maybe find an anime ERP group and rape each other in a different game every month.
44eabe No.14104020
>>14100863
To be fair the event was forced on the community because a faggot mod needed to feel accepted. It ended with people literally becoming the KKK and shutting down the event
dbb500 No.14104041
>>14103398
yes
they even lost to an RP Corp in a battle. The only reason they won before was sheer numbers.
5fce5b No.14104052
MMOs have always been shit. Good riddance.
738c62 No.14104082
>>14100198
Play MUDs instead.
9f5499 No.14104094
>>14103966
>ragnarok online 2
The fact that even the gate of the world version looked slightly better than the current version tells alot about the game and even then they fucked it up completely.
822d9a No.14104104
I think for the most part people are waiting for something new to hopefully come up. That or someone to run a new Wurm serb
I think we're going to start seeing a trickle of MMO's with devs that don't have aspirations to be the next World of Warcraft. Nothing wrong with wanting to be a successful game, mind you, but thinking you're going to be the next big thing and wringing out money from publishers will end up leaving them mainly in control, and seeing the average mmo cycle repeated.
By lowering expectations of success to more realistic levels, and trying to maintain the community by nurturing it and staying open and receptive to them will allow for devs to try and take larger risks with mechanics for their games (hell, call them gimmicks if you want to), we'll hopefully start seeing better games because of attempts to make more meaningful gameplay.
You'll probably have to dig for them though, considering we're still seeing plenty of pay to win at this point and it's only crashing and burning in the AAA sector (it's fucking up MMOs too, obviously, but devs and publishers will take the idiots spending money as clear sign 's of success and not stop).
a81ed6 No.14104517
Im waiting for Age of Wushu 2 and praying that it wont become as cancerous as the first one
bd8a48 No.14104655
Gimme some pink text on PSO2
15a426 No.14104681
296eab No.14104727
>>14100863
>>14104020
Every cloud has a silver lining
296eab No.14104736
>>14104727
Oh yeah, let me clarify: I just log in on F2P to mess with people. That's the only way to have fun in the game any more
ab4ecf No.14104801
I play Elder Scrolls Online to waste time with one of my friends but I'm not sure I'd call it a "good" MMO. It's… decent, playable, occasionally fun. Nothing like my favourites: I miss City of Heroes and Firefall, both dead to faggotry. There is also the first Guild Wars, but no one will play it with me and I'm tired of playing games alone.
>>14102783
You're allowed to talk about Guild Wars anon. It's just the trash sequel nobody likes.
>>14103035
How much of those are unique users as opposed to multiboxers though? I mean can we confirm that even half of those are uniques?
a84870 No.14105322
>>14103601
goons control EvE as much as Russian (who control the drone region)
so no
5705da No.14105353
>>14103601
>t. never played EVE
lol fucking retard, goons are weak shit fags nowadays.
e1c2e1 No.14105383
What the fuck is a "goon"?
Is it the latest new buzzword meme?
5705da No.14105417
>>14105383
A Something Awful user.
Weebs call anyone that doesn't like anime a goon because it's cool to them.
952330 No.14105425
b23e19 No.14105452
>>14105383
Jesus I didn't think there was anyone that young here.
0e22ae No.14105481
>>14105417
no, it's because goons are like jews. you pull the curtain away and the entire facade they are building disappears. weebs don't exist, goon.
4294f9 No.14105483
>>14105417
And chads/normalfags call people weeb because they think people should only like Madden, staceys, or have objectivly shit taste.
5705da No.14105502
>>14105425
>>14105452
Truth be told unless you were around during 2005 and paid a lot of attention to obscure forums it's pretty reasonable not to know them, or at least not know the term goon. SA has been pretty irrelevant since the 2010s.
0e22ae No.14105512
>>14105502
>SA has been pretty irrelevant since the 2010s.
as a board, but goons are infiltrators in pretty much every internet community. A lot of the western game industries problems can be traced back to goons.
5705da No.14105523
>>14105512
>as a board, but goons are infiltrators in pretty much every internet community
Prove it.
>A lot of the western game industries problems can be traced back to goons.
What problems, exactly?
a84870 No.14105528
>>14105502
true ..kind off
>>14105383
here is for you knowledge
>>14105452
stop playing oldfag. you are ridiculous
0e22ae No.14105531
>>14105523
>Prove it.
do it for me
>What problems, exactly?
why are we here again? something about an event in the games industry or something
5705da No.14105545
>>14105528
>LARP and a 2010 newfag with an anonymoose picture pretending to know jack shit
Wew lad.
>>14105531
So no proof or evidence of the Something Awful web forum (which is public to read) somehow infiltrating in complete agreement or unison other web forums and a entire fucking industry. Alright.
0e22ae No.14105548
>>14105545
goon trying to slide
b23e19 No.14105555
>>14105528
I rarely play anymore. The culture changes so fast after twelve or so years you can't help but feel old.
9aba47 No.14105558
54ad4b No.14105561
>>14103163
>Turbo tranny nigger
82500f No.14105563
>>14102673
>he doesn't remember old RS
>he doen't remember there not being a wiki for everything, only blogs with bits and pieces and rumors
>he didn't fall for stupid fables oldfags fed to newfags
>he didn't follow that one rumour full of retarded shit to find out it actually does work and gives him a unique staff
Old Runescape was the only MMO I've ever had fun with, and it pisses me off that I was too young back then to properly appreciate it
0c33df No.14105567
>>14105483
>>14105481
>>14105383
>everything west has ever done is shit haha
>japan can do no wrong
>WHAAT YOU DARE TO DISLIKE SOMETHING FROM JAPAN
>GOOOOOOON
Yes it is
427424 No.14105574
>>14105567
>I AM SILLY.txt
Nice argument faggot.
0c33df No.14105604
>>14105574
>weebs calling goons right itt
>n-not an argument
It is how you act, faggot.
97fa3f No.14105606
>>14104104
did you post that webm cause of Ray of Hope?
that mod probably won't come out for another 3 years and will probably be littered with hackers
2e54bc No.14105610
The only MMO Blizzard successfully killed was World of Warcraft.
0e22ae No.14105611
>>14105567
calm down sperg
f1e6d3 No.14105646
I was going to say that Tera is doing pretty well cause a few of my normie friends play it occasionally, but holy hell I wasn't it expecting it to be this bad. Sure it has it's own launcher outside of Steam, but how many people actually use it? I think that's the highest F2P MMO on Steam, but I'm not sure what the competition is.
Black Desert has the most concurrents, but I have like 5 people on my friends list that just auto-fish, so I'm guessing that's where most of those are coming from.
427424 No.14105671
>>14105604
>the reference went over his head
e06f85 No.14105855
>>14105646
There was a bug that people could give you viruses through in game chat. It got so bad that they turned off all in game chat except for guild
580280 No.14105874
No. There are no MMOs after NCSoft murdered City of Heroes.
d237ee No.14106273
>>14103669
>>14103866
>>14103835
I guess there are no orcs nor uruks playable, right?
Anyway, in which age is set the game?
a81ed6 No.14106350
>>14104681
Let me hold on to this single shred of hope anon, is that so much to ask?
1028ee No.14106441
>>14105528
Goons are primary Burgers
Chans contain a lot of Eurofags and Slavs
d0798a No.14106463
the market is open to a mmorpgs right now.
WoW it is just shit let it die people
FFXIV basically a better less expensive wow which overall better everything.
GW2 casual gold grinding simulator, raids are not hard but players in this game are shit so that raises the difficulty.
BDO gaining some traction again I mean i jumped back into finding it to be nice Grinding sim.
outside of those few nothing really seems to spark out right now
6967e4 No.14106467
Asheron's Call emulation is a thing now. Remind me why I would run a WoW server when I can now run my own AC1 Darktide?
a0084f No.14106471
>>14101138
>anymore
bitch, they never could trade anything other than potions and food which become locked and can't even be banked.
t. faggot who's been playing since release
ebf3e6 No.14106499
I've been enjoying black desert online atm.
18d108 No.14106508
>>14103835
>2007? Isn't that a bit too old for new guys to start?
Not really, it still has lots of new people joining esp. since Mordor.
>>14106273
Orcs and Uruks actually are playable, albeit limited to the 2 PvP zones (and they have their own race specific classes), you can also be a spider or warg in those zones.
>which age is the game set in
Late 3rd, it's currently up to the point in the story where Frodo destroys the ring and player characters are in Mordor. It is set to eventually progress into the 4th although there is still post-Mordor content coming before that (updates, Northern Mirkwood and Dale-lands and Erebor).
– Sage Advice Line –
If you're a Lord of the Rings nerd amicable to U.S timezones and try the game out, hit up the Landroval server because it's a chill autist's paradise full of lorefags that know their Tolkien.
d237ee No.14106522
>>14106508
But can you create orc characters or you only get the skin for PVP crap and act like a mob?
5c42fa No.14106533
>>14100863
Didn't they remove this shit?
3b7895 No.14106560
>>14106441
Goons are Burger edgelord culture personified.
18d108 No.14106577
>>14106522
You actually create an orc character, it's PvP-specific (or PvMP as in player-vs-monster-player as they call it here) but you are actually an orc (if you go with orc). Orcs and Uruks get 2 class options each and have their own racials and stuff. It's got a sort of RvR lite thing going in the PvP zone where there's PvE objectives and progression along with assaultable keeps and PvP fights. Free Peoples (man/elf/hobbit/dwarf) characters do similar things in them but also have the main PvE game available to them in non-PvP zones.
fa3928 No.14106603
>>14106273
Ass end of the Third Age alongside the books, you start out crossing paths with Aragorn and an ill fated other ranger if men/hobbit, leaving the Vales of Anduin after a goblin attack if Beorning, dealing with evil Dwarves aligned with the iron crown if dwarf/elf, or at the Battle of Dagorlad where you are mortally wounded by the Witch King's morgul blade and slip into a 1000 year coma if High Elf. After all that is done you have a few beginning quests and after a bit in your starting region you set out to Bree and begin basically trailing slightly behind the Fellowship up until Rivendell. You are almost always somewhat behind them by a few weeks except at a few stopping points like Caras Galadhon and Helm's Deep. A big part of the game is that is it very big, it would take quite awhile to run to Rivendell from Bree on foot.
You can play as orcs, uruks, spiders, and wargs in PvMP, but only the standard melee orc is unlocked initially and all the rest of the monster player classes need to be bought, subs get access to them but only during their sub time so when that ends they lock back up again unless they were bought outside of the sub. You can grind store points rather easily by just playing the game and not spending them as soon as you get them, if you are really stubborn you can even buy quest packs and the actual expansion packs with these points eventually.
3aed41 No.14106629
>>14106508
>lotro
Mah nigga!
I'm a eurofag so I play on Laurelin. Considering this game is 10 years old and is about as optimized as a potato it's still fairly good with a decent if not tightknit community.
(I have a reaver on Landroval but I don't play PvMP anymore. I'm just not autistic enough to handle the constant unbalance metagame after every update)
f4060d No.14106646
>EVE Online is brought up
>"why would you mention goons out of nowhere?!?"
sa goons spent the better part of a decade farming in-game currency to buy playtime cards to sell for cash, basically a convoluted money laundering / goldfarming operation.
even though they've gotten their ass kicked in recent years, eve is the one game where they're still relevant
340024 No.14106652
>>14104655
the fuck, when did they get bikes?
dc2c90 No.14106657
>>14104655
Why did they not release PSO2 in the West?
f4060d No.14106659
MMOs are dead as a mass-market phenomenon. you're not going to see another wow.
normalfags play mobile games, and those mobile games have figured out the most efficient ways to bottle the addictive skinnerbox qualities of MMOs, including the bullshit surface-level socializing shit that drew in a lot of normalfags.
4f19a9 No.14106677
>>14106659
Normalfags never really played mmos, certainly not Wow. Currently, the mmo with far the most normalfags is ff14 because of all the erp and cuteness or whatever. Normalfags don't have the dedication for it. The core group that's been keeping mmos alive is the 1985-1995 generation. I think it's a generational thing.
00e951 No.14106696
haven't played WoW in around 4 years, but just read up on the newest expansion pack coming out and blizzard have removed pvp servers (or rather, turned them into pve servers). all servers in world of warcrap are now pve servers where no one is killable in former pvp areas on pvp servers unless the target sets THEMSELVES as flagged for pvp first. ganking = gone.
so yeah, blizz literally thought "WoW has gone to shit, fuck it in for a penny let's see how much worse we can make it".
even tho i haven't played it in forever it still makes me sad to see what was once an atleast passably fun experience dragged through mud of an unfathomable depth.
18d108 No.14106708
>>14106603
>A big part of the game is that it is very big
This is exceedingly true. It's gigantic, one of the bigger video game worlds actually, and certainly one of the biggest MMO worlds. It's also quite pretty, detailed and created with a lot of attention paid to lore.
>>14106629
Well it's 10 years since release, but the engine for the game are even older (Middle Earth Online and all that) so it's doing pretty well for all of the content they've thrown at it I think. One of the lead designers was recently (back around Mordor) talking about a 64-bit client that's been in the works and I think that would really help. I don't really have performance issues as things are though.
<Random screenies because I can
fa3928 No.14106740
>>14106708
A 64-bit client would be great honestly.
822d9a No.14107039
>>14105606
Actually I posted it because I wanted a Somber reflection of MMOs in general and figured music was the best way to go. I also wouldn't mind seeing Ray of Hope at some point, if only for an 8serb, but seeing a bunch of hacking wouldn't even surprise me at that point
The thing I'm actually hoping is decently fun is Camelot Unchained, especially because of crafting, but I'll wait til it comes out or checking the beta before being excited. That or a new Wurm Serb
17d77c No.14107192
>>14101548
Still alive, always has been and probably will be. As always the biggest downside is the small population due to no one knowing it even exists except through /vg/. Devs are very active and it recently had managing misc released. Lunars (hopefully) soon.
822d9a No.14107360
Since this is pretty much the MMO thread of the week, may as well ask this thought exercise again. If you are making an MMO more sandbox than themepark, how do you go about keeping people interested in the PvE? If Wurm is anything to go by, there's the bounty system for handling dangerous mobs (read:everything) for cash money, but what if you want something deeper than that? At what point does it cut off and become themepark again?
18d108 No.14107471
>>14107360
How do you define themepark? There's ways to do sandbox with coherent progression or challenge and avoid what I'd define as themepark.
77ddfe No.14107526
>>14107360
Infinite character progression. Lets say that at level one, you can cast one fireball every 5 seconds, and at the conventional level cap in any other MMO, you'd cast one fireball every 2 seconds. In an infinite progression system, you could reach the point where your fireballs are akin to using the plasma rifle in Doom. But it wouldn't be just speed you could increase. You could choose to progress toward gigantic boulder-sized fireballs, scaling up in damage, size, and cast time. You could in theory get to the point where you need to wait a whole 24 hours in real life to throw your gargantuan world-shattering fireball.
0bfd03 No.14107564
>>14107360
Have the world be affected by mobs in a meaningful manner, thereby inducing players to engage in PVE if they want their faction to thrive and remain competitive against rivals. Pic related: the game we all want, but will never get and would be terrible if we actually got to play it. Of course, rare and expensive drops which are unique to a single type of monster (dragon's teeth, minotaur leather, leviathan tentacles, etc.) required for crafting high-level gear also helps. Not PVE, but I'd also say crafting structures and functioning towns, as well as law enforcement would go a long way to keep a game's population busy in the end stages. A dynamic of a frontier which can be conquered that lies between faction territories with open world PVP and outlaws vs. lawmen could also work.
296eab No.14107581
>>14107564
>can't be a big goofy cat man
why live
8cc74b No.14107626
>>14107192
/v/scape wasn't shilled hard enough, that was its biggest mistake.
6f2acb No.14107645
>>14107626
Go play some /v/scape
/v/scape is still around anons
8cc74b No.14107668
>>14107645
>only a couple dozen people in the whole map
>they're all high level gangbangers
nahhh
0bfd03 No.14107677
>>14107645
>playing on a /v/ server
>playing with /v/ at all
That's like eating something /k/ cooked for you, or trusting /leftypol/ with your finances. I'd rather trust my fate to some random Chinese gold farmer than play with you guys.
8cc74b No.14107800
>>14107677
We can have a good time m8, did you never play any of the gamenights? That's half/v/ but still the best RS private server on the net.
ad982e No.14107827
>>14100578
I remember playing WoW, and the way I'd get around is read the quest description to get an idea where to go. Nowadays people just install a quest helper add-on so they get an explicit waypoint.
d694e5 No.14107993
Little late to the party here it looks like, but /v/'s resident Lineage 2 Classic shill anon here for my obligitory post about for any bros who enjoyed the game back during the golden era and misses the hardcore gook grinder MMO experience. I'd be more than willing to help any anons get a head start, and there's constant promos running for new players to help overcome the hurdle that is a fresh character in Lineage
241870 No.14108016
Blizz basically killed all of em save for Guild Wars 2 and FFXIV.
Now Blizz, ironically, is dying. Maybe with the decline of blizzard we will see more niche MMO's popping up that are actually fun?
17d77c No.14108180
>>14107677
The community isn't nearly as bad as it seems. Once again the only downside is a population of 30-50 people or less during night time. Still lots of new people joining in and if you're an ironfag you dont need to give a shit about having people to trade with anyways. At least imo its still by far one of the most impressive private servers i've played on due to just the sheer amount of content that works. Haven't found a single rs server that comes close to that 06-07 feel. OSRS certainly has lost this entirely maybe a year or two ago and is only "oldschool" in name.
6e2c56 No.14108185
>>14107993
What's the server?
d694e5 No.14108198
>>14108185
It's the official rerelease. NCsoft licensed it to Innova EU; not a private server. It is subscription based, but that has the added bonus of keeping most huemonkeys and South American shitters off the server. I think it's like 3 euros for the first month.
8cc74b No.14108360
>>14108180
Ironfaggotry is a fucking shitty idea and only has reason to exist with the G.E. Having a bunch of "hardcore" second-class players with gimped capabilities, fucking gay shit.
6e9e56 No.14108528
>>14107564
Decent ideas. I'd add to that and say that smaller monsters at low levels should also get unique drops. And that anytime they are being farmed to much the spawn rate decreases until they just do not spawn for some time. It would make it feel like they are being hunted to extinction and an item that people might need could not be gotten very easily. Maybe even add in a system where when there are not enough herbivores the carnivore numbers start to dwindle in tandem. Or if the carnivore number is to large than the herbivore numbers start to dwindle and have a dynamic quest happen where players are tasked to cull much of the carnivore population to sustain the herbivore/prey. Maybe even have a breeding sidejob to further expand on it. You could start seeing people trying to save endangered species or reintroducing a species to a new area from another area.
5aace3 No.14108558
>>14100591
>Buying things from the marketplace is RNG.
>Hitting enemies is RNG.
>Upgrading gear is RNG.
>Fishing is RNG.
>Pet system is RNG.
>Horse breeding/leveling is RNG.
>For awhile rolling your character was RNG. They'd have randomized stats.
>P2W system that requires a 100-200$ investment to be viable.
>Pets, weight are practically required.
>Artisans memories make repairing a boss item 20M, down from 80-100M.
>No player trading. Not even restricted trading like Runescape had for awhile.
>PvP that's entirely gear based. You will either oneshot or be oneshotted.
>The RNG-prevention system to ensure you don't go too long without boss gear is RNG.
Fuck Black Desert.
3906e0 No.14108727
MMOs were killed by MOBAs. Blizzard were smart enough to get their dick in the pie with Overwatch.
dc0f43 No.14109187
>>14108180
>Ironfags.
I dunno about that, anon. Ironfags are one of the reasons why OSRS became RS3-lite. And by that I mean the exclusive focus on rushing to the end game to boss all day every day, because bossing is the only way Ironfags in OSRS can get materials to level other skills at a decent enough rate.
17faf5 No.14109215
>>14100198
BlackRabbit25: OMG..Is this another bitch fight in the making
a5cd67 No.14109229
Given how people play MMO's nowdays, I'd say Dark Souls is a pretty good one.
>Enjoy the main story-line content at your own pace.
>Occasionally employ the assistance of another player, or offer them yours.
>Engage in PvP with just enough fairness to it that you can feel accomplished when you win, or blame the game when you lose.
dc2c90 No.14109252
>>14100591
>Lets make a promising and interesting sandbox game then completely ruin it before launch for our autistic Gook audience, the game.
a91115 No.14109277
>>14107526
Sounds OP as fuck, I like it. Maybe you could have a stat wheel like pic related rather than just linear progression for it.
77ddfe No.14109302
>>14109277
It's very possible to implement as well, perhaps not truly infinite, but capped so high that it may as well be. Morrowind for instance has its alchemy system which allows you to create potions which give you fucking god-like statistics, allowing you to cast the best spells, smash the most durable weapons and armour in one hit, leap from one end of the island to the other, and so on.
40942e No.14109341
>>14107471
I probably should have at least defined theme park before I asked. I actually sat there for a bit and thought about what made a theme park MMO and honestly I couldn't think of a definite definition. I know that gear treadmills and gook grinders are sort of the after effects of theme parks to keep players after going through the content to reach the end point, but I think you are right that coherent progression is possible without resorting to a theme park ideal. If you have any ideas for it, feel free to say so.
Personally I figured if you were going for an open ended, village builder like Wurm, I'd say have a noticeboard for player to player quests, or if npc villagers are moving in, have them offer quests to handle the more dangerous creatures nearby, or assist in planting crops, and the like. Hell, have stores that need goods stocked, and have players move caravans, and even guard them too. But I think it's important to have those actions actually impact the game. A loss of goods from repeated player attacks would cause not only issues for villages but also might cause bounties to be caused.
But anything you have I'd actually be happy to hear
>>14107526
I do really enjoy the idea of abilities that grow and let you customize them your own way. There's room for it to be cheesed, but people will find a way to cheese it anyway, so Fuck it. I also like >>14109277 's idea because it, like the other anon pointed out, allows for plenty of customization like Morrowind' s spell and alchemy system which I also Hilariously broke, God bless fortify intelligence potions which allows for ease of player use and allows devs an easy tool to work with.
>>14107564
Like I said, that outlaw vs lawman idea, especially with caravans (preferably owned by players /merchant guilds) moving from capital cities to these frontier villages would allow for better player cohesion, but a sandbox mmo really does, in my opinion, need to have player actions become the mainstay, which again would work really well for your idea.
77ddfe No.14109390
>>14109341
I imagine every time you put points into speed for a spell, you'd have an equal amount of negative points put into its opposite stat(s). So, on the wheel that was provided, your precision or accuracy would be hindered. I don't think it would be a cheeseable system, as every player has access to said progression. I imagine this system would be easiest to implement in a text-based game.