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You don't want an angry gay orc nigger to endlessly pursue your asshole in angsty lust?

>>14097069

>shitty pic without Sarevok's portrait

>>14097160

I couldn't find a collage without the new enhanced mary sues and Sarevok in it.

Switch Aerie and Jan and it's a good list.

Imoen is..?

>Viconia

really? she was annoying and edgy

no, you wont seduce me by telling me how much you liked being a sex slave, you are already a filthy drow and deserve shit for Christmas

>>14097324

Imouto.

>>14097324

He also forgot yoshimo, but maybe that was deliberate.

NO EFFECT?

NO EFFECT?

NO EFFECT?

NO EFFECT?

NO EFFECT?

NO EFFECT?

NO EFFECT? x999

>>14097324

>>14097372

They're kind of story related.

>>14097485

They can still be tiered though and they're already in the picture if you're worried about spoilers somehow.

>>14097519

Yoshimo is shit tier, a crappy fighter not good enough at thief stuff.

Imoen is lock picker and trap finder tier.

>>14097527

Yoshimo is also the only pure thief, I personally put him in decent to good tier simply because no one else is good enough at thievery. I'd put imoen there for bg2, but her thievery skills quickly become obsolete in ToB, but she's a pretty decent mage anyway though.

>>14097538

ToB is balanced around imoen, none of the traps are beyond her ability so they knew that the thief class was underserved.

Yoshimo's skills are all in traps. I'm gonna abuse traps I'll be the thief myself.

>>14097324

>Oh shit, what are you doing

Especially in the first.

God, that bitch was so fucking anoying.

>>14097069

What a shitty list

Obviously the real list is

>Top Tier

Keldorn

Jan Jansen

Minsc

Yoshimo

>Why even bother

Everyone else

Seriously, everyone else is insufferable faggots, how can anyone even think about dealing with their shit?

>>14097324

For tender semi-incestual loving. Is there any decent 34 of her floating around?

>>14097710

Is that the reference for Aerie?

>>14097710

What a stupid watch, the only thing worse is the people who pretend they can actually quickly and precisely tell the time with it.

>>14097891

>buy expensive minimalist watch

>can approximate the time if you're used to analog

<buy el cheapo digital watch

<know the time to the second at a glance and maybe even the date, plus a stopwatch and alarm, and usually a light

hmm…

>>14097926

Viconia's reference is a porn girl, so I thought I'd ask.

>>14098241

>mage erects 5 goriliion defenses and starts laughing

>pic related asks how he'd like a dispel with a potency equals to twice his level

>proceeds to gib the mage instantly with the Carsomyr

Top pick tbh

>>14097527

>Imoen is lock picker and trap finder tier.

Nalia exists to replace Imoen. By the time you get Imoen back she'll be massively underleveled compared to what is essentially the exact same character. Don't know why anyone would put her in shit tier, at least from a mechanical perspective that's Imoen's home.

>>14098669

Because Nalia is a pretentious little bitch who thinks all peasants and drunkards aren't the way they are because of their own faults.

>>14098699

Checked and agreed.

>>14098671

>the bitch also cheats on you

Wut? Are you talking about that gay blue haired elf with the twin swords? If you're already in a relationship with her then she tells him to fuck off. I don't know why you'd take that guy with you anyway.

>>14097069

>drew barrymore?

>what if ludacris and vin diesel had kid

>>14098957

>I don't know why you'd take that guy with you anyway

because he's based

>>14097069

>>Shit Tier

>All non-humans

Just helpin you out, bruh.

>>14097312

Are you retarded? Arie is redicolously powerful if built properly.

She gets a bajjilion spells, and her squishiness is easily fixed in many ways (I give her gridle of CON, braces of STR, shield of Harmony, Cromy Feyir and robe of Vecna). Add to a that a buff cocktail and she wrecks shit in CC and can still fling doomsdays spells like crazy.

>>14098671

Waht this guy >>14098957 said

Also, you do know your ending with Aerie is the best one. Happy family and all that jazz.

>>14098671

>Ever sneak attacked with Carsomyr?

Isn't it a paladin-only weapon???

>>14099113

>not being the drow master race

I bet you aren't even getting laid every day and posting gore of lesser races on 4gottenrealmschan. Faggot.

>>14100177

Thief HLA, Use Any Item.

>>14100192

But IIRC, Backstab only works with items that single-class thief normally uses.

You can use it, but not backstab.

>>14098699

Drunkards, I can agree, but you can't call the accident of birth to be the fault of the one who's born. A peasant in the boondocks without any access to education will stay a peasant all his life without any fault of his own.

>>14100169

Aerie outdoes even Edwin if you level her enough. Edwin is normally the top dog of spells with his 9 dragon breaths but Jesus Christ Aerie gets so many spells with being a cleric/mage it's hilarious.

And she can use Wish effectively, unlike Edwina. Which means the final battle is a cakewalk.

Official Baldur's Gate tier list

Shit Tier:

Baldur's Gate

Baldur's Gate II

>>14100642

What about Throne of Bhaal though?

>>14100185

Fucking drowposters. Every single porn thread there you are. One of these days I'm going to shove a daylight spell so far up your arse you'll be shitting Lathander nuggets for a month.

>>14097527

>>14097566

Yoshimo is bro tier

Except for that whole trying to kill you thing

Aerie a cute. If by some trickery she gives birth during ToB (it can happen!), it yields some funny comments from party members.

>>14100407

This is correct. I was thoroughly dissapointed when I tried it after finally getting Use Any Item. I'm guessing it's a game limitation and not a P&P limitation?

>>14100859

It's not too big a deal as the melee weapon with the most potential single strike damage in the game happens to be backstab compliant.

I am talking about the almighty (improved) Staff of the Ram. Yeah, quarterstaves can backstab.

If you want the biggest single hit damage numbers in the game the best way is to roll a dual-class Kensai->Thief and activate Ki Strike before performing your backstab with the Staff of the Ram. An NPC alternative is Sarevok dual'ed into a Thief.

On a much lower level the Staff-Mace is a surprisingly good backstab weapon. It's essentially a +2 mace that's treated as a quarterstaff by the game.

>>14100169

I see you're partial to the Aerie Hulk as well. Good taste. (I can stand her voice acting though).

>>14100937

>(can't stand her voice acting) obviously.

>>14100937

>dual class

I never understood that. You spend most of the game without your main class and by the end of it become sort of powerful when everyone else is powerful anyways.

>Aerie

Mostly useless for the first half of BG2. At best she's a support caster for Edwin or a Mage PC. Shit tier character.

>Anomen

Decent Cleric. If you have a good aligned party, he's a solid choice. Shit tier character.

>Cernd

Useless without mods that fix shapeshifting or mods that fix Druid spell per day scaling. Literally who?

>Edwin

God tier spellcaster until late ToB, when Aerie's Wish spam starts to be a contender. Fun character with top tier banter.

>Haer'Dalis

Decent tank or decent support for any group. Annoying as fuck.

>Imoen

A bad Mage that deals with trap now that you've lost Yoshimo. Not too bad to adventure with; better post lost innocence.

>Jaheira

God tier tank and support rolled into one. Not as good as Haer'Dalis for tanking on the higher difficulties, but not as reliant on spells either. Mildly annoying, but not a bad character.

>Jan Jansen

One of the strongest companions in the game. After a few hours into chapter 2, he'll have enough THAC0 to land staff backstabs with almost every swing and since he's an dual classed, his backstab keeps scaling. And since he's an Illusionist, his spells aren't complete shit. And since he's an Illusionist, he can just keep backstabing due to various immunities and Mislead. Have you seen what happens when you give Jan Vecna's Robe and have him use Improved Alacrity, Time Stop and Assassinate? As a bonus extra, he can still trap and remove illusions. This fucker is OP. Bro tier character with top tier banter.

>Carsomyr

It's Carsomyr. Bro tier.

>Korgan

He kills shit and stays alive. Great banter.

>Mazzy

Shit tier. Tumblr tier.

>Minsc

Decent. Not a very good tank and has a hard time staying alive in harder fights. Fun tier character.

>Nadia

Shit thief, shit mage. Annoying brat.

>Valygar

Decent once he gets Boots of Speed. He's not spectacular, but he does his job well. Don't like him too much.

>Viconia

Best Cleric, and unlike in BG1 her spell resist won't fuck you over. Fun tier character with great banter.

>Yoshimo

Great thief, but traps are cheesy as fuck. Dead tier character.

Reminder that Bioware was on the path to SJWism when making BG 2 did you notice that Keldorn gets cucked in his quest?

>>14100972

>better post lost innocence.

No…

>>14100958

If you don't go too high level, it's nice. I dual classed a Berserker->Cleric at level 9 and it wasn't that bad. Levels 8 and 9 were pretty horrible, but I was nowhere near midgame once I unlocked my previous class again. I would never do it in BG1 because you don't get very high level.

>>14100982

yeah and having him be an actual cuckold is supposed to be the good ending.

>>14100982

>>14101010

He totally deserved it though. He prioritized justice over his duty to his family.

>>14100859

IT would be way too broken for a thief to be able to use top tier weapon of other classes on top of all the other bonuses.

Backstab is already 3X damage - a backstab with a holy avenger would be so much overkill, you could one-shot gods.

>>14100972

The rationale behind "shit tier character" for some people seems to be "I don't like him/her" and that's about it.

>>14101288

You suggesting Celestial Fury or Blackrazor with a Belm or Equalizer in the off hand is not overkill?

>>14101305

Cernd is objectively shit and I dare you to prove me otherwise. I mean, it takes some kind of effort to be badly outclassed by Jaheira but boy did he succeed.

>>14101288

Also the multiplier goes to 5X or 7X for assassins come epic or near epic levels.

>>14101305

I said I didn't like Haer'Dalis and Jaheira but didn't call either of them shit tier. Big difference between a bad character and a dislikable one. Thought the fact that I included both descriptions in my listing was a huge giveaway.

Also,

>nadia being anything other than shit tier

>>14101061

Guess I am unfair to Anomen since I never romanced him or made him go fallen. Maybe there's more to him than annoying goody-two-shoes.

>>14101893

He gets his wisdom bumped up to 16 from 12 so he becomes somewhat decent as a cleric.

>>14101923

That's pretty good.

>>14101957

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who was bothered by that.

>>14101957

swords aren't that expensive by 1200+

chainmail is more expensive but not "sell your house to buy one" tier.

>>14102554

also farmer != miserable, rotten toothed sub-human living in a rat hole, that's the present day myth.

>>14102554

Full quality battle gear AND a trip to the Holy Lands. Very expensive, even for nobles.

Do you know how the trip alone lasted?

>>14102575

Those are the Pathfinder Goblins anon. But yes. I'd fuck the shit out of those hairless cockgremlin adorable bags of green chaos shortstacks in a heartbeat.

>>14102575

thats kinda hot, goblins and kobolds are natures living onaholes

>>14097411

I need a bigger sword.

>>14100169

> Arie is redicolously powerful if built properly.

Apart from Chromatic Doom I can't find any use for her. Her attributes are very bad and I need proper working clerics/druids and mages in my party (i.e SPECIALISTS), got no place for masters of none.

< Faster than Chikita FastPaws!

>>14098241

> Warrior backstabbing

What kind of roleplay is that?

I'm sure you're that kind of powerplayer who gives all your characters Charisma=3 in games like Icewind Dale 2, you know, in order to optimize attributes.

>>14103720

Why wouldn't you min/max your stats in IWD2? There's no reason not to do it. Just keep a Sorcerer around for the Charisma person.

>>14103798

>Studded leather

Is a D&D invention that never existed in real life. It was based on a misinterpretion of leather armour with plates of metal bolted underneath it.

>>14103857

Also known as brigandine. A type of armor that I wish would feature more prominently in games. It was actually a very common and popular type of armor in the middle/late middle ages.

>>14103869

Not in a million years. Brigantine is cloth padded heavy mail occasionally reinforced with breastplate. Studded leather is literally a leather jerkin with some metal bits to make it sturdier. Think something Witcher would wear.

>>14103857

Wax or oil boiled leather armor was a thing.

>>14103677

Who's the edgemaster in the middle? The expansion NPC?

>>14103677

>One cleric is enough. Haven't ever tried him, honestly.

He's bretty good, can be very effective with proper equipment and spells.

>Aerie is shit

Them's fighing words!

>>14103720

>Apart from Chromatic Doom I can't find any use for her. Her attributes are very bad and I need proper working clerics/druids and mages in my party (i.e SPECIALISTS), got no place for masters of none.

Specialization is for insects.

Aries has the biggest spell count in the game. That makes her very versatile and her stats can be fixed with gear. I don't know how you build her, but she's a murder death machine in my party.

>>14103798

Leather armor is shit.

Gamebeson was the best non-metal armor, in some ways better than chainmail.

Here's something interesting:

Defective half-plate vs 300 and 1000 pound crossbows - brestplate wins

>>14105496

I have a gigantic boner for the ancient Greek and Roman armour (and later Byzantine stuff), but was it actually useful?

>>14105324

>Studded leather is literally a leather jerkin with some metal bits to make it sturdier

AKA never existed

>>14105985

>Charname is less than 18 years old when he's forced out of candlekeep and is barely older than Imoen.

>depict him as an old man

Bravo whoever wrote those novels.

>>14105998

Philip Athans. Even after all these years I am still mad about those books.

>>14105973

Useful enough for it to become a staple for the Macedons and all of the successor kingdoms

>>14105980

Unless you also count in laminated and or lacquered leather in which case you've got a ton of examples from Byzantium and slavs, across mongols to chinks and japs.

>>14102566

Farmers could be free men (free tenants) or serfs (and some slaves, but those were rare). Unfortunately, most were serfs that more or less fit that 'myth'. You can just examine the state of their skeletons to discover disease and malnutrition signs in most of them. Lowborn people that accompanied nobles to war in that period were usually yeomen. Farmers stayed home because of the risk of famine if they would stop tending to the fields and herds.

>>14105912

That link list at the pic bottom is incomplete.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades

>>14105991

>christians dindu nuffin

that is why worshipping a dead jewish rabbi as a god is BASED amirite?

>>14105998

Would the Bhaalspawn not be a quasi-deity too, technically? Which means he's immortal (as in doesn't age)

>>14106314

fuck off jewpig

>>14106438

Not really. Either you become completely mortal or you ascent to deity status by the end of the games which do not take more than a few years at longest.

>>14106454

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicut_Judaeis

>Sicut Judaeis (Latin: "As the Jews") was a papal bull setting out the official position of the papacy regarding the treatment of Jews.

>The first bull was issued in about 1120 by Calixtus II and was intended to protect Jews. It was prompted by the First Crusade, during which over five thousand Jews were slaughtered in Europe. The words sicut Judaeis ("and thus to the Jews") were first used by Pope Gregory I (590-604) in a letter addressed to the Bishop of Naples. Even then the Pope emphasized that Jews were entitled to "enjoy their lawful liberty."[1]

>The bull was reaffirmed by many popes including Alexander III, Celestine III (1191-1198), Innocent III (1199), Honorius III (1216), Gregory IX (1235), Innocent IV (1246), Alexander IV (1255), Urban IV (1262), Gregory X (1272 & 1274), Nicholas III, Martin IV (1281), Honorius IV (1285-1287), Nicholas IV (1288-92), Clement VI (1348), Urban V (1365), Boniface IX (1389), Martin V (1422), and Nicholas V (1447).[2][3]

>The bull forbade Christians, on pain of excommunication, from forcing Jews to convert, from harming them, from taking their property, from disturbing the celebration of their festivals, and from interfering with their cemeteries.

>>14106009

I was more wondering how good it would be at stopping force, like shown in >>14105411.

>>14106466

That part of the game goes against the lore. Bhaalspawn would be a quasi-deity also called a hero deity, meaning the son of a deity with a mortal. A quasi-deity, which in mythology would be equivalent of a demigod like Heracles (though demigod is an actual low level god in D&D) can't grant spells to followers and he doesn't need followers to mantain his power, and he doesn't have his own realm.

>>14106596

While Latin is a dead language, it permeates English and science throughly.

Is there an online resource to learn it?

>>14106596

>do not go around murdering heretics for no reason

I don't see what you're getting at here.

>>14106679

What we know from reliable history is that it was fairly light, that it was inexpensive, and likely made from a combination of linen and leather. Often with metal strengthening at key points like belly and joints, and that it was so effective they felt comfortable using it from phalanx to cavalry and even without a shield in a pike formation. That has more weight to me than some mouthbreather pelting a dubious modern interpretation of said armor with questionable shit on jewtube.

That said cloth fiber armor tend to cushion the blows thru sheer layered thickness but the design suggests it was fairly thin so it behaved like metal and deflected. It's a greek fire type of situation: we know it existed in some fashion, we know it was good but we have no idea how exactly it worked.

>>14106754

Play the game, it's all explained.

>>14106779

I see, thanks.

Is there any book where I could look into this in more detail?

>>14106767

Forced conversion of pagans was commonplace in that period too. So Jews being exempt seems to be pretty generous.

>>14106795

One kind anon shared a bunch of material ages ago including Unraveling the Linothorax Mystery by Gregory S. Aldrete but I can't seem to remember where I stashed those pdfs. I can't say how good the book is from an academical point but it's pretty thorough and interesting to a layperson.

>>14105496

>Any NPC is very effective if geared correctly but that doesn't change the fact they're whiny fucks.

>Not turning Arie into a badass warior and proper mother trough petting and dickings

It's like you want to swim in shit.

Also, your armor is shit. There's a reason it was abandoned.

>>14106958

The reason being culture died and all class was lost when a bunch of shit taste shitflingers moved in? Funny, it's also what happened to 8ch.

>aeriefags

>on my board

My god, how far we fell from laughing at tumblrites and posting notViconia porn.

>>14100169

>damaged goods elf ex-carnie

>'s-she's good if you give her all of the loot in the game'

i didn't even know you could play as a cuck in bg2

>>14106887

I tried to find it on a book site, but it didn't turn up.

If you dig it up, I'd really be glad if you could post it.

>>14097069

>no Boo

Do you not have respect for the Space Hamster?

>>14107019

Can't you tell the paladin that he should stop judging his wife for cheating on him? That sounds like Burch tier behavior right there.

>>14107019

Consult a dictionary.

Just using random words you think are insulting only makes you look dumb.

>>14108371

You have upheld the honor of lathander well.

>>14108403

Indeed, for he is the God of the Dawn, not the God of Cuckolds.

>>14108798

No offense but anyone told you your editing skills are shit?

>>14108798

Holy crap that's one ugly ass motherfucker.

>>14108798

JUST

>>14108696

>uses shitty art instead of an argument

You're supposed to use quality smug, but you can't even reach that basic level of competence.

How about you get of MY board, because I'm pretty sure your stupidity counts as a biological hazard for everyone around.

>>14109159

Hey, it's better than nothing, and it fits as well as possible alongside the default B1 portraits.

>>14108371

If Jan is in your party at the end of ToB, he gets his woman back with the help of trained monkey assassins.

>>14111220

That piece is a-okay,i kinda like it actually.

>>14111391

>fag_2.png

Needs the JUST hair.

>>14111397

He does indeed have a JUST-worthy face.

>>14111220

A 5 second search yields better art

http://heather.paheal.net/_images/d6b60443d3017e4d96d1e38f09d3391b/963518%20-%20Aerie%20Baldurs_Gate%20Dungeons_and_Dragons%20Elf%20Forgotten_Realms%20rinayun.jpg

http://orig07.deviantart.net/9b95/f/2012/220/a/8/aerie_the_avariel_by_bloodrawen-d5abq8f.jpg

http://orig04.deviantart.net/ff02/f/2013/066/0/8/aerie_by_nixxical-d5x88ju.jpg

>>14102801

You know you just steal food from pagans on the way most of the time right

>>14105411

Skullacuck snipped balls faggot and his whore of a GF laughing at him like a dog.

Both of them need to go.

>>14097069

>Aerie above anyone

>Imoen not at the bottom

>Yoshimo not in top tier

>Jan Jansen not in top tier

>Jahera not in Decent/Shit tier

Apart from that it seems reasonable. tfw nobody ever mentions how the alignment of each character in planescape torment is just some variation of neutral, even the wizard who literally wants everything to burn.

>>14120656

>someone with the fashion sense and hair of josuke talking about shit taste

My sides.

>>14119865

Thats the sigil for you

Why do all the portraits in this look like they had their faces lightly caked in shit?