/v/ - Video Games

Sometimes I wonder if its better for a series to die like advance wars, or have it live and hope for a chance for a return to form despite its corpse being peddled around like Fire Emblem

We got Echoes out of it still being alive but we also had Fates, Warriors and Heroes.

I suppose the Switch FE will determine what happens.

>>14082434

It was fun

It also made fuckloads of money

God forbid we have any of that though.

>>14082478

nonsense, hope you like more repetitive resource gathering. Hey, we got 3 generations of bad ocarina of time style games, so I expect we'll get at least 2 generations of bad botw style games.

>>14082490

Gathering and crafting feel like a staple element of "survival" games, and it's kind of a guilty pleasure for me

I understand the want for traditional Zelda, but I think BotW was a fantastic first attempt at the open-world meme. It's received a ton of due constructive criticism about flaws and missed opportunities, and if Nintendo can fix these I would imagine it'll be great.

>/v/ hates zelda games for rehashing the same game design over and over again

>they finally do a genuinely different zelda game and now /v/ wants the old zelda games back

It isn't always this way but sometimes the level of naked contrarianism on display here manages to surprise me. Yes I know /v/ is not one person.

Well the game did many things right, yet what kills it for me it's that there is nothing to do once you get bored of fighting the same 3 enemies and solving puzzles for 3 year olds.

The concept was decent but the execution failed and was shallow

>>14082515

This. BotW is a blueprint for a fantastic near-perfect game, it just need some tweaks in the right direction (ie. enemy variety, proper dungeons, more balanced gear system, more interesting side-quests, etc.). Old 3D Zeldas were an evolutionary dead end and we were all tired of it as >>14082528 reminds us

>>14082528

Those beliefs aren't mutually exclusive. It was fresh, but by no means well developed. BotW has nothing besides TECHNOLOGY and the older style still had a lot of room to grow.

Rest in Peace The Legend of Zelda

1987-2016

You will not be forgotten.

>BotW killed Zelda

>not the increasingly annoying gimmick shit shoved into every Zelda post OoT

Just tell Nintendo to make a traditional sequel for once and fix the problems and Zelda can finally get back on track.

>>14082551

It's possible to recognize a game isn't perfect and yet still establish an incredible foundation for future games to build upon.

IT'S LIKE SKYRIM WITH TRAPS

>>14082582

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDddd

>>14082576

Because if I do I'm going to have 20 anons shitting on me, if I don't reply to every single point with extreme precision I will be called a shill or a retard or a cuckchanner or a reddittard or whatever, however if I do respond to them I will get shat on for posting too much and having a meltdown.

It's pointless to talk about BOTW, believe me I tried when the game came out and a few other times after. The /v/ hivemind is just way too fucking strong, even though half the people that usually shit on the game have never even touched a fucking switch or WiiU.

Actually that's a lie, I had one good conversation about BOTW with one anon that disliked it. So I know there's at least one person on this board that doesn't just parrot other people's opinions to fit in.

>inb4 one or more people tells me /v/ isn't one person, proving that /v/ is largely one person

good. i like the direction botw went. i can only hope nintendo continues to make games like this, but improve upon them and fix issues.

>>14082606

Reddit spacing

Ecks dee

>>14082574

Not for a liberal. Their brains cannot comprehend anything other than hero worship or abject hatred. This is shown in neurological studies and classified as mental illness.

>>14082574

I don't disagree with that. I disagree with it being fantastic.

BotW has a downward curve of quality, with a small bump when you reach the island that takes your gear away.

>>14082606

>if everyone says that they don't think like everyone else, that means they do

If the rest of your post didn't out you as a fucking moron, that part definitely did.

http://nichegamer.com/reviews/the-legend-of-zelda-breath-of-the-wild-review/

This triggers the Nintendrone

>>14082606

So you'd rather post in a thread where everybody parrots opinions you agree with? You're not going to get any better quality conversation that way. It's the other side of the horseshoe.

>>14082630

>if everyone says that they don't think like everyone else, that means they do

I don't even know how the fuck you got to that conclusion from what I wrote

>>14082634

I'd rather wait until I can talk about it or just not talk about it here at all.

>>14082639

but absolutely nothing is stopping you. My point is you shouldn't care if an army of retards whine at you because it's just a different flavor of circlejerk. Who cares if people attack you instead of your points? it doesn't mean anything, it's frivolous ad hominem

>>14082639

I don't even know how the fuck you got to that conclusion from what I wrote

>inb4 one or more people tells me /v/ isn't one person, proving that /v/ is largely one person

That bullshit catch 22.

>I'd rather wait until I can talk about it or just not talk about it here at all.

Stop being a pussy. If you want to talk about this game, talk about it. No one can stop you. People are already doing it, with mix of people who like it and dislike it.

>>14082434

One, this is old news. Two, cry more while you astroturf, sonygger.

>>14082662

I don't, it's just tiring and I know it's most likely not gonna go anywhere so I just don't bother

>>14082665

I don't really post anywhere on /v/ apart from very few threads honestly, it's gotten extremely hard to speak about any kind of game as of late. I'm here mostly for when stuff like Fallout 4 spoilers or Neogaf happens.

Most of the times threads will straight up get deleted if a thread gets saged enough because people dislike the game.

Have you even noticed that the only times there is any kind of games discussion is when a thread starts off saying

>Oh wow I can't believe this piece of shit is X

Try making a thread trying to talk about something more specific. It'll get saged and deleted. Dunno if that's mark's rules or the mods but that's how /v/ is.

>>14082448

>Sometimes I wonder if its better for a series to die like advance wars, or have it live and hope for a chance for a return to form despite its corpse being peddled around like Fire Emblem

Unlike Advance Wars, Fire Emblem was never particularly good.

>>14082706

Because discussing the state of the board is endlessly more interesting than talking about a game most people talk about haven't played

>>14082519

Zelda is Dead long live Zelda!

Eh, could end up being good. Imagine if they kept the open world, made a better inventory system, and added proper dungeons.

Like each dungeon has the normal associated item, but its out in the world and you have to go find it. Dungeon items don't break because they're magic artifacts, and offer some exploration benefit. Like that fucking spinner would just let you ride along any wall now. The grappling hook comes back and whatever it can fit around works, or you get a raft on demand.

See no reason why we can't have the best of both worlds here.

Technically the original Zelda was open world and let you tackle the dungeons in any order provided you had the means to access them.

>>14082515

This. Also, they said that they wanted the game's engine to be platform to make other games.

I would one non-shit argument that BotW is worse than Skyrim because Skyrim is irredeemably cancer and irreversiblely cancered up the industry. Never allow Bethesdrones to think that they are in good company.

>>14082728

Because as I said, it's impossible to talk about something directly on this board

>>14082738

I might be step 8

>>14082726

>Like each dungeon has the normal associated item, but its out in the world and you have to go find it.

They wouldn't put that in, because it's very much, 'go do A, then you can do B', which is antithetical to how BotW works, which is 'go do whatever'.

>>14082689

>I'm here mostly for when stuff like Fallout 4 spoilers or Neogaf happens

>Most of the times threads will straight up get deleted if a thread gets saged enough because people dislike the game

How do you know what's going on or how /v/ works or what happens to most threads when you just said that you're barely here?

>Have you even noticed that the only times there is any kind of games discussion is when a thread starts off saying

No. You're willfully ignoring threads that have actual discussion in them to push some bullshit idea that /v/ hates video games. You should start actually talking about games or stop coming to /v/, since you don't seem to enjoy it in any sense of the word.

>>14082719

Not when they draw them fucking each in the ass and making it bleed.

>>14082727

the only correct answer - it's a return to form and the best zelda games were on the NES and SNES

>>14082719

I read a bizarrely decent EEE-Medievil crossover fanfic once (it was only about 2 pages long).

>>14082745

>How do you know what's going on or how /v/ works or what happens to most threads when you just said that you're barely here?

No I am here, I check the board regularly, I just don't actually post.

>You're willfully ignoring threads that have actual discussion in them to push some bullshit idea that /v/ hates video games

I don't think /v/ hates video games, I do however think that there's a facade that some users need to keep up that /v/ hates most things, and a lot of people fall in line with it to not feel out of place.

I've talked to plenty of people here that enjoy weird shit, small unknown indie games or even trash from the past.

As I said, there are a few threads even here where games can actually be discussed, I usually stick to those. Which I suppose is what the other people that are tired of the usual board shit do, however I don't really have any proof to back that claim up apart from a few people telling me they feel the same way.

>>14082760

I think you should kill yourself if you hate this thread so much.

>>14082772

You get +1 /v/ point, great job

>>14082434

>Implying this is a bad thing

>Implying Breath of The Wild wasn't a great concept that was merely not made to it's full potential with a lot of missed opportunities

Breath of The Wild ended up being a basic game but it serves as an excellent framework for a potentially amazing sequel.

>>14082745

>They wouldn't put that in, because it's very much, 'go do A, then you can do B', which is antithetical to how BotW works, which is 'go do whatever'.

They already did with the divine beasts and shrines though.

Maybe make the dungeons 'possible' with a lot of fucking around without the item. Same way you can do some shit the wrong way as is.

Or just make the dungeons themselves into sort of sandbox levels focused around using their respective item with no way of knowing which goes to what other than experimenting.

>>14082485

The doom and gloom /v/irgins who think everything different is bad have no idea what fun is. I bet most of these retards haven't even played BotW.

>>14082629

>the hero worshipping "liberals" are a monolith, and not at all a strawman/meme created by /pol/ while it flails around trying to figure out how to apologize harder for the failure of their god emperor

fuck off back to your containment board, this is for vidya you faggot

>>14082745

>They wouldn't put that in, because it's very much, 'go do A, then you can do B', which is antithetical to how BotW works, which is 'go do whatever'.

It would be fine, so long as the items didnt act as keys to progression gates. Each item would have some utility in combat and exploration, but never be strictly required to overcome any challenge.

For example, if you had the grappling hook in game, it could be used to disarm enemies, and anchor yourself to trees so that you could rappel up and down cliffs. You never need to use it, because you don't need to disarm an enemy to kill them, and you can always climb a cliff the normal way, but the item is still useful and a desirable thing to have.

>>14082775

I mean, really kill yourself. You sound like a genuinely miserable person.

>>14082520

yeah, its pure padding. the open world is padding, the survival is padding, the crafting is padding. If you distill the game down to its actual content, you're left with probably the least dense zelda ever.

>>14082520

Maybe its because I'm only a little bit in, but I haven't seen any. I just use whatever the enemies drop and cook all the animals I find, killed via bombs.

>>14082434

>Breath of the Wild 2 is basically confirmed. The series had a good run while it did.

That means we will get a Even thiccER Zelda with bigger Butt?

>>14082830

YEAH! I WANNA BREED THAT THICC SNOWBUNNI WITH MY BBC!!

>>14082689

I've had a pretty good time for nearly two years discussing Nioh with minimal angst or shitposting and of course Terraria is a perennial favorite.

>>14082830

>People still think that Zelda is "THICC XDD"

Gas yourself.

>>14082703

I disagree, but you're entitled to your tastes

>>14082528

>they finally do a genuinely different zelda game

Zelda 1 did BotW main gimmick decades earlier and executed it better.

I'm entirely fine with a BOTW 2 if the dungeons are bigger.

>>14082883

>>14082871 is right though it needs more enemies and not Break your entire inventory on one bokoblins

>>14082871

the entire zelda series is an argument to play better games inspired it or similar to it. from ys to gurumin to okami to sotc to 3d dot game heroes.

>>14082871

This is what the sequel needs. More actual enemies, less palette swaps. If you replaced every palette swap in the game with a unique enemy it'd have so much variety.

>>14082909

>while enemy diversity is indeed shit from a visual perspective, this image is a little disingenuous because enemies behave differently depending on what kind of weapon they have. It's weak, but not as weak as this implies. The bosses are unforgivably lackluster for sure though

imo this argument could be used to justify that human enemies in shooters who use a shotgun compared to those who use an SMG somehow makes them different enemy types.

There's differences, sure, but it ultimately has very little affect on how you play.

>>14082871

>Divine beasts labelled as enemies

>Stal totally aren't basically the same enemies

>Octoroks and keese variants aren't counted

>BEES

>>14082907

Also the gold enemies except maybe Lynels are fucking shit

It is retarded that you can waste your entire inventory of weapons on one bokoblin.

>>14082929

The BotW enemy list is also missing wolves and bears.

>>14082907

>palette swaps

>Lizalfos and Bokoblins all have different attacks

>Fire Lizalfos breathe fire instead of shooting their tongues

>first Octoroks are the river kind that shoot mudbombs at you

>second set can retreat quickly and shoot fuck-you bombs

Man what is this, Smash?

>>14082919

a bokoblin helicoptering a spear vs one fumbling with a twohander isn't insignificantly different, and neither are SMGs and shotguns. as I said, it isn't visually exciting but from a pure gameplay perspective, it does matter

>>14082909

>while enemy diversity is indeed shit from a visual perspective, this image is a little disingenuous because enemies behave differently depending on what kind of weapon they have. It's weak, but not as weak as this implies.

But it would be unfair to argue enemy diversity without accounting for the area scale of the game. BoTW is fucking enormous compared to Twilight Princess, and we saw the same small handful of enemies everywhere on the map. Twilight Princess had some area specific enemies such as the Dodongos being in Death Mountain or Deku Babas being in Faron, etc. BoTW had "area-specific" enemies like… having an ice lizalfos, or an ice wizrobe, or an ice octorok.

>>14082434

I've been really enjoying BotW, though probably more as an escapism tool. Really so long as it's not Skyward Sword I'll probably still play new Zelda after new Zelda.

>>14082909

The biggest disappointment of BoTW's combat is that's just the same shitty combo everytime. Wind Waker went really in-depth on the idea of directional inputs allowing for unique moves and combos(Although it doesn't really matter unless you do all the challenge floors). For all Zelda games to have it was useful at some point to pay attention at least to the difference between vertical and horizontal swings. BoTW just being mash Y to attack for me is the biggest disappointment.

>>14082929

Stals behave differently from their living counterparts. One of the biggest differences being you can literally disarm them and their tactics will change in line with this. They also don't die unless you hit their heads but they also did instantly if you nail their head with an arrow right away(While they're living counterpart will just be knocked down and take extra damage).

>>14082940

Gold enemies also have a stupid damage multiplier. So say goodbye to all your dishes too.

>>14082955

The only area specific enemy in the game is the Molduga, that should say a lot about how lacking BoTW is.

>>14082955

i agree, there really isn't an excuse for the sameness. I'm just making a case for what's still there, as monotonous as the game is

>>14082976

Directional slashes were largely just for show, though it was admittedly satisfying for me for whatever reason, and that's why Skyward Sword is so good because it takes the concept and makes it actually matter. I remember a lot of enemies that blatantly punished you for spamming. This being said, it's not just the samey combos that BotW suffers from, but the flurry system being a more sluggish version of WW/SS parries. Takes five seconds as opposed to one quick counter. The only time you'll ever use the shield bash is when dealing with lasers, since the disarming aspect only works when enemies are low on health- and in that case, why not just finish them off? TP handled it a bit differently by giving you repositioning tools instead of blatant counters.

and to top it off, outside of flurry rush there's no way to get mileage out of positioning properly, jump slashes and spin attacks are really weak in botw. 2hander spins don't have that nice burst feeling

>>14082976

I'm gonna assume the simplification of the moveset was because they thought it wouldn't work well in the open world, or was done as a kneejerk reaction to SS's lukewarm sales for a Zelda.

>>14082902

pretty much

>>14083018

I'll never get over the fact the game had straight-up crossdressing.

You'd never get away with that shit in the same context as this twenty years ago.

>inb4 Birdo

>>14083036

Birdo.

>>14082859

Pretty sure people would love to have BOTW Zelda farting on them.

>>14083046

Buddy there's people interested in cheese graters anal, that's not an argument.

>>14083048

The Legend of Cheese Grater: The Minced Anus

All home console zelda games can only be:

>A.) Handhold Sword-esque

>B.) Burp of the Wild-esque

which one would do you choose

>>14083027

giving it more thought, they basically splintered it into swords for horizontal and spears for thrusts with 2handers taking the niche that the heavy subweapons normally do

>>14083057

at least handholding hell still has nice environments and good gameplay behind the constant nagging as opposed to having the freedom to do the same thing over and over in a barren landscape

at least handheld zelda will survive maybe

>>14083064

holy shit im bad with words, i meant the portable zeldas

One of the most annoying things in the game for me is the amount of cutscenes there were.

There's 5 cutscenes per shrine (unlock, elevator from outside the shrine, elevator from inside the shrine, and 2 more for reaching the end).

There's also one for each clothing upgrade, each dish you cook, and 2 for each tower you unlock.

Not including the dialogue that comes with some of those.

Upon reading this thread, I change my mind, Fuck BOTW, I'd rather have another oracles/awakening type game.

>>14082434

BOTW was a good idea that was executed poorly. They made a world that was fun to explore, but forgot to put anything in it. Sure, there's a shit load of short dungeons, but they're all hella easy and completely forgettable. I'd rather have a handful of very large dungeons similar to Hyrule Castle with unique and memorable music/foes. Also, why the hell are all of the bosses Ganon? The final boss loses his "ultimate villain" mystique when I'm kicking his ass at every divine beast. I'd like the resource gathering more if I had anything to fucking use them on. Maybe make it so I can help the people of Hyrule rebuild their cities or something.

>>14083084

Welcome to the club, I burned nearly 300 hours into this shit.

>>14083100

Rings?

>>14083057

Burp of the Wild everyday. Skyward sword is still the worst zelda game.

>>14083036

God Hand

>>14083116

> in the same context

You're not dressing up as a belly dancer being complemented on how cute you are.

>>14083126

>in the same context

reading comprehension, do you lack it?

does that mean skyward sword is considered good now?

>>14083072

>There's 5 cutscenes per shrine (unlock, elevator from outside the shrine, elevator from inside the shrine, and 2 more for reaching the end)

>There's also one for each clothing upgrade, each dish you cook, and 2 for each tower you unlock

You do know that you can skip those, right?

>>14083165

*Lenexwants

>>14083167

Nope, it's still fucking shit.

If they just had some quality dungeons I think the reception would have been better.

They should have had had half as many "shrines" and 6 or 7 proper dungeons. Given the seamless nature of the load times and such they could have even done open world dungeons where you could see something ominous off in the distance and gradually encounter tougher and tougher shit the deeper you got into the dungeon's area and the dungeon itself. That would have been the bees knees.

Instead, you get tiny little 10-minute mini dungeon puzzles with the same enemies copy-pasted throughout them. What's your prize? An incremental progression statistic and a nominal boost to your stats? What a fucking joke.

>>14083167

no, but being shit overall doesn’t prevent it from having good qualities

>>14083036

Shut your faggot mouth. Cross-dressing is a common joke in many nip games, it just gets censored out during (((localization))). There are plenty of legitimate gripes with the game, like the fact that it's barren in its world, items and gameplay.

>>14082519

Nah, Minish Cap was the last good Zelda game.

>>14082878

>Zelda 1 did BotW main gimmick decades earlier and executed it better.

No it didn't. Zelda 1 is linear as fuck

>>14083167

Skyward Sword is broken glass, BOTW is a polished turd.

>people like bloated overworlds with 4 enemy types and nothing to do

kill all plebs

>>14083211

Only if you have insight knowledge what to do in what order, something that goes for all open-world games.

>>14083211

you can get bombs, candle, keys, and anything else you need to get through most dungeons right away. You can even get the white sword before entering your first dungeon.

you have no need to do the dungeons in order, save for dungeon 4 and 7, which require tools found in other dungeons to access. And even then, you don't need to have completed the dungeons with said tools, just get the tools.

so, with the exception of dungeons 4, 7, and 9, which have access requirements, how in the fuck is Zelda 1 linear?

>>14082434

>oot lets you explore hyrule field

WELP SERIES HAD A GOOD RUN WHILE IT LASTED FELLAS

>>14083257

>LoZ lets you explore hyrule overworld

Series confirmed shit from the start

>>14083057

>OOT gives you a vast variety of unique items and equipment throughout the game

R.I.P Zelda series.

>>14083273

There are legitimately great Nip open world games like Dragon's Dogma. Then again normalfags hated DD almost as much as they love BOTW.

>>14083273

>Jap realizes how great freedom is

Nigga japs have had open games for decades, just look at Way of the Samurai or Steambot Chronicles. BotW just follows the same terrible outline all the other open world AAA games have and it leads to a mess of problems because of it.

>>14083210

tbn Capcom's Nintendo games were pretty mediocre, the GBC ones were fun as a kid.

>>14083333

>It’s only good for Groose.

Follow Fi and all associated themes are the fucking shit, though.

>>14083403

Nobody asked for Zelda to become a shittier, barren clone of the already shitty Skyrim.

>>14083333 (checked)

Don't forget about best girl Orielle.

>>14083393

I challenge Nintendo to create a more fuckable sidekick for Link.

I'll say it again BOTW was a good game but a bad Zelda game.

>>14083393

Deku Link is also a strong contender

>>14082448

They tried it with AW4 (waifus and rpg elements), but the fans rejected it. The first three games are such quality games that no other attempt has come close and because of that they get rejected. So why try to make a game for a niche genre with a small community of nitpicking nerds who know better?

I hope there will be more crossdressing for link

>>14083273

open world can end up a crutch for bad game development

BOTW is an example of this

>>14083424

Well whose dick is bigger?

>>14083425

>AW4

>waifus and rpg elements

what

>>14083444

>Skyrim is fucking empty and pointless in so many sections that BotW isn't

Other way around

Even skyrim dungeons have more meaningful rewards than anything in BotW. Same for side quests.

>>14083302

Yeah, the difference is now they are all copying Skyrim. Don't forget that Skyrim was a massive hit in Japan, being the first western game to get a perfect score from Famitsu.

>>14083583

Btich please, skyrim dungeons are basic bitch just-kill-everything walkfests. There's only one or two shrines in BotW that are that barebones, if you don't count the combat shrines which are shit and should have been at the end of a real shrine instead of just a shrin by themselves

As far as loot goes, oh boy another fucking piece of equipment that's not as good as what I already have! I sure do love these billions of cheesewheels im carrying around!

Meanwhile in BotW, because shit breaks you're always happy to find a good weapon spot, because they respawn on blood moons. On top of that every shrine or korok seed or material location you find is another step to getting stronger so you can do more cool shit like climbing a mountain in one go, or complete an electricity puzzle in an unintended fashion because you have an inventory full of metal weapons that can conduct that shit.

>>14083613

That's a nice lack of any argument you have there.

>>14083625

I miss when TES games had weapon durability. What Bethesda is doing to the franchise is just plain tragic.

>>14082465

This. Don't drag a series down. Let it end before it goes to shit like everything else that has a 3rd installment or reaches season 4-5.

>>14083625

>because shit breaks

Very few games get durability right. It usually turns into busy work or a grind fest.

>you're always happy to find a good weapon spot, because they respawn on blood moons.

Sort of like this. This shit does not sound encouraging.

>or complete an electricity puzzle in an unintended fashion

I really hate this skins of shit. If a game is going to bother with puzzles then it needs to have a right way to accomplish it or it should just not bother in the first place. Then again I hate physics puzzles so maybe this one is just me.

>>14083625

>There's only one or two shrines in BotW that are that barebones

There are entire tiers of shrines where you just kill one thing and then get your meaningless "reward" handed to you.

There are even shrines which have nothing for you do to but just waiting for them to appear and then take the orb.

>As far as loot goes, oh boy another fucking piece of equipment that's not as good as what I already have!

Describing BotW here?

Skyrim has shouts, unique spells, unique accessories and equipment to give you. There is actual world building and lore too.

>On top of that every shrine or korok seed or material location you find is another step to getting stronger so you can do more cool shit like climbing a mountain in one go

Korok seeds literally just increase your item capacity and nothing else and there isn't anything in the game that requires full stamina wheels to climb. All the "rewards" feed into its own badly designed time wasting mechanics. You won't need to carry more shit if the durability system didn't exist in the first place and since it exists you'll only be carrying the strongest shit that exists with no variety because anything else would break before killing even a single damage sponge reskin that start appearing halfway through.

>complete an electricity puzzle in an unintended fashion because you have an inventory full of metal weapons that can conduct that shit.

Or just use the item the game provides you with and not waste your time because the "puzzles" are brain dead already.

>>14083644

>Then again I hate physics puzzles so maybe this one is just me

Probably because the 'puzzles' take seconds to work out and them several minutes of tediously pushing things around. To be fair that's also the case with most puzzles in older Zelda games, but now it takes twice as long since you have to fight the physics engine.

>>14083644

>*kinds of shit

What the fuck is wrong with my spelling today?

>>14083648

>There are entire tiers of shrines where you just kill one thing and then get your meaningless "reward" handed to you.

I can tell you didn't read my entire post because…?

>Describing BotW here?

Late game you always have an empty slot or a weapon about to break that you can toss to grab something new. This encourages aggressive gameplay, which is a good thing in an action adventure game.

>Skyrim has shouts, unique spells, unique accessories and equipment to give you.

Instead of specific tools for specific jobs, BotW instead gives you some basic tools and lets you go to town with them. The system isn't comparible

>There is actual world building and lore too.

And there isn't in BotW?

>Korok seeds literally just increase your item capacity

and this is bad why?

>there isn't anything in the game that requires full stamina wheels to climb

you're just flat out factually wrong here, and the stamina wheel is used for a lot more than that, that was just the example.

>All the "rewards" feed into its own badly designed time wasting mechanics. You won't need to carry more shit if the durability system didn't exist in the first place

The durability system encourages you to, as said above, play aggressively. This means if you want to earn more weapons, you need to get good at killing things so you waste less durability and get better at the weapons. By the end of the game you have built up an aresenal of your personal favorite weapons, and some stuff that are/double as useful tools like the korok leaf and fire rod for example

>and since it exists you'll only be carrying the strongest shit that exists with no variety because anything else would break before killing even a single damage sponge reskin that start appearing halfway through.

Yeah enemies scale but the base quality of the weapons that drop scale too. There's early game and late game versions of equipment, and they all perform the same beside the damage number with a few exceptions like the windcleaver. As far as equipment that's better than anything else, you have to make an effort to get that. You have to find the hardest enemies in the game to get those weapons, which takes a decent amount of practice and skill to do. By the time you can do that you deserve to have the weapons anyway, because you're good enough at the game to take on anything.

>Or just use the item the game provides you with and not waste your time because the "puzzles" are brain dead already.

Anon do you not like figuring out things your own way? Do you hate fun? The puzzles are "easy" to solve because they're based on real logic. Anything you can think to try that would work in real life would work here.

>>14083644

>If a game is going to bother with puzzles then it needs to have a right way to accomplish it or it should just not bother in the first place. Then again I hate physics puzzles so maybe this one is just me.

You don't like nonliarity in your puzzles, or apparently most puzzles at all. That's fine.

>>14083660

I'm saying you need to stop just posting smug anime at me and actually back up your assertions with evidence. I'm not going to bother with you anymore until then.

>>14083765

>I can tell you didn't read my entire post because…?

Ignore that, I forgot about the pure rewards shrines. There are way too many of them that aren't even behind an overworld puzzle or anything, I agree.

>>14083134

Nope, in fact it's worse in FFVII. You're pretending to be a prostitute and if you do the segment correctly a fat fuck tries to rape you.

I just hope the next open world Zelda brings back some of the classic staples like special items instead of giving you all the magic runes at the beginning of the game.

Can you actually craft things like weapons and armor in this game or is it all pretty much just treasure and loot drops?

>>14083817

The closest you'll get is trading materials with an NPC to get ancient (glowing blue shit) gear. Besides that, you can only upgrade the defense value of armor using the same process.

>>14083836

>Just play MMO's

>with current year normalfags

There is no freedom

>>14083852

>There is no freedom

what are you looking to do in them that you can't?

>>14082538

How was the concept decent? There was nothing interesting about it. It's just shitty open world.

>>14084039

I would love a 2D demake of BOTW made like the original Zelda, but maintaining the stuff like weather and wind and elemental things.

More than anything, though, is the thing that's missing from BOTW that was in the original was a fucking huge Underworld that could feel intimidating to go in to. The overworld in BOTW was comfy, but there wasn't any real danger in it, and the shitty shrines were just portal test chambers. Contrast that with a massive underworld labyrinth so you've got a comfy overworld to explore and gather materials to make potions and sharpen your weapons and shit, and then delve in to the underworld and survive on your wits and what you brought with you, and maybe escape with some treasure.

And bring back the musical instruments and the wind waker for controlling the wind, so you can glide as you please and start bushfires that go in the direction you want.

>>14082434

Whats wrong Anon 4chan told you to kill yourself too many times?

>>14083765

>Late game you always have an empty slot or a weapon about to break that you can toss to grab something new

Tossing weapons deals only double damage and then breaks the weapon. Breaking hits already do double damage so tossing weapons is fucking retarded. Using subpar tactics is your idea of aggressive gameplay? I would ask if you were retarded but you clearly are considering you think the combat in BotW is even worthwhile.

>you're just flat out factually wrong here

There isn't anything in the game that requires you to have a maxed out stamina wheel. Not even breaking in the royal steed or the mountain god.

>Anon do you not like figuring out things your own way

Hammering nails with your dick instead of a hammer isn't "figuring things out"

>Instead of specific tools for specific jobs, BotW instead gives you some basic tools and lets you go to town with them

How is that related to anything I said? Just because it gave you 5 abilities in the beginning doesn't mean it can't upgrade them. Instead of the upgrades being rewards from exploration you just grind items and buy them.

>And there isn't in BotW?

There is absolutely none. The most laughable part about it is that the towns in BotW are even smaller than the ones in skyrim.

>>14084101

>The overworld in BOTW was comfy, but there wasn't any real danger in it

>underworld labyrinth

There was this little entrance to something at the bottom of some canyon that was infested with guardians. I was not far along enough in the game to survive so I left and never came back. Too bad that was just one place in that huge world.

>bring back the musical instruments

for what purpose?

>wind waker for controlling the wind, so you can glide as you please and start bushfires that go in the direction you want

you can already glide as you please.

just bring back the gust bellows from skyward sword to turn the overworld into california.

>>14083444

what a waste of trips

>skyrim quests

<i lost my ring, go to this dungeon and defeat draughrs and fetch it

>botw quests

<i need a ring, go fetch me 3 bokoblin horns so i can make one

>skyrim

<there's a rumor of this hidden treasure in this dungeon

<inside there's a fucking steel sword enchanted with shit

>botw

<rumors talk about this hidden treasure

<inside there's a weapon that will break, or arrows

both games just have filler as content

>>14082448

Echoes worked well because it was a remake of Gaiden.

Any truly new entry will be fucked anyway.

Let it die before they can mutilate it any further and hope for some map maker down the line from the community.

>>14082719

>That image made me realize you never actually see any of the kid's parents in Ed, Edd and Eddy.

Because they're not important

>>14083167

Motion controls DRM condemns it to obscurity.

>>14084129

> musical instruments for what purpose?

The old recorder being used to summon a whirlwind to whisk you away is more fun than random blue spooge, a song to summon animals depending on the biome (horses in fields, seals in the desert, turtles in the ocean, whatever)

> wind waker

The buff you get for gliding is much better with a headwind, and it would make sailing not suck so much, not to mention the ability to control the path of a grass/bushfire.

That one indoors ruin was, I was hoping, an entrance to a real proper underground dungeon. Instead it was just a couple of rooms like a big hallway with generic immobile guardian sentries.

What if BotW2 stars Zelda/Sheik like that Retro proposal?

>all this salt from a different Zelda game getting a guaranteed sequel

Just because it is a new direction for the series doesn't mean this is the end of the series. BOTW was a good experiment that showed that open-world is the future for the series.

>>14084267

That would be interesting, it would be nice to play a Zelda who had to help a weak Link instead of waiting for him to do everything.

>>14084284

what did they mean by this

>>14082565

>Are we still pretending BOTW is a bad game?

Any zelda game is the worst ever in the series until the next one comes out.

Happened to WW, TP, SS

Well, SS might still not have recovered yet

>>14084312

it hasn't. I'll take any zelda game over that one.

BotW + dungeons + cities + underworld/darkworld/alternativeworld

That would be a good game.

>>14082434

Who gives a fuck? Botw was amazing.

>More gay birds

>More Gay link

>Second chance at that SMF porno coming out in a new rendition

>Something about straightstuff here

But yeah, I don't see the problem, I've not played the game but the porn is solid man.

>>14083168

Still gets tiring after a few dozen times

>japanese sandboxes are empty

Nice cuckchan tier meme you got there

>>14084396

>hurr people on imageboards sometimes just post once in a thread

That does happen at times, because people tend to not stay in every thread they post in. At times they even have to make a first post before making another. Regardless, your cap shows that OP didn't steal the thread from halfchan, though the possibility that he later went there to remake it still exists.

>>14082515

Nigger it was a shit attempt. The first game and Link to the Past did open world much better.

Breath of the wild is the watery japanese shit from consuming too much mediocre, western, OPEN WORLD games.

>>14084039

OP is a literal retard btw

>>14084110

>i don't even understand the concept of comparisons

>doom 2 in charge of not being shit

>>14084115

The breaking weapon was only implemented so that there would be something you can loot for, since the game gives no other incentive keep going after chests.

>>14084312

>Any zelda game is the worst ever in the series until the next one comes out

>Well, SS might still not have recovered yet

You just disproved your own argument.

>>14084322

BotW + dungeons + cities + no weapon degradation + motivation to pursue loot

That would be a good game.

There is literally nothing wrong with BoTW

>>14084421

Dragons Dogma's world was exploding with density.

While we are on the subject, is there any clearer indication that a person is incapable of critical independent thought and a slave to marketing campaigns than these angry, flailing cries of contrarianism?

>>14084677

>no weapon degradation

or at least a degradation system that made sense and a means to repair weapons on the field. with no tangible way of telling the condition of your weapons until they're on the brink of death, it was just another reason to spend more time avoiding combat because the costs of combat ended up outweighing the garbage rewards

>>14084696

>the costs of combat ended up outweighing the garbage rewards

Pretty much. Why break one of your giant fire-swords when all you will get is a moblin horn and a wooden club?

REMEMBER VEE, IT IS OKAY WHEN NINTENDO DOES IT

>>14084689

>is there any clearer indication that a person is incapable of critical independent thought and a slave to marketing campaigns than these angry, flailing cries of contrarianism?

Yes, blindly agreeing with all reviews that BOTW is a 10/10 game despite its sub-par qualities.

>>14084696

It would be leages better if weapons didn't break, but instead weared off, dealing half damage instead. Then you'd need different repair items (those could be consumables then) like sharpening stones for swords, bowstrings, hammerhandles, spearheads…

>>14084696

>>14084705

The whole point of weapons is to kill enemies. When you get a giant fire-sword, enjoy killing things while simultaneously igniting them until the sword dies, because that is its purpose. What are you saving it for? A better enemy? There's only five bosses in the game and you know precisely when you'll encounter them. You people are like the assholes who collect rare cars and then don't drive them because it'll damage the collector value. What's the point in having it if you don't use it?

>>14084710

Go suck Sony’s cock somewhere else.

>>14084718

>What are you saving it for? A better enemy?

in theory, yes. This just opens up another flaw in the game with its pathetically low enemy variety. So you got your big fire sword and you think "i shouldn't waste this on a moblin" or at least my experience from other video games with one-use items would teach me not to waste good items on trash mobs but then the game has 90% trash mobs. So you start avoiding fighting them because its a waste of your resources for a pile of monster parts you still have excess of from the beginning of the game. You've stocked up on big firedick swords and fancy arrows and you go to the dungeon thinking THIS will be the place to use your cool gear and it turns out the dungeons don't even have enemies in them. The most exciting enemy in the game is a lynel which are few and far between and the rest of the time you're just running past moblins and skeletons

>>14082685

If you don’t understand how the statement applies, either ask or shut the fuck up and fuck the hell off, dipshit.

>>14082786

1. Reported for thinking you’re on cuckchan.

2. You exist to be laughed at.

3. Thanks for admitting that everything I said is correct, given that you can’t refute a word of it and that your strawmen have nothing to do with it.

Cry more, you leftist cunt. You have PHYSICAL BRAIN DAMAGE. Your amygdala is defective.

>>14084741

>its a waste of your resources for a pile of monster parts you still have excess of from the beginning of the game

Sounds like someone hasn't been upgrading their clothing.

>>14084718

>What are you saving it for? A better enemy? There's only five bosses in the game and you know precisely when you'll encounter them

Wow, you might be onto something there.

>>14084741

Whenever I get a consumable buff in Dragon's Dogma, I always use it soon enough on one of the many boss-tier enemies that are scattered though the world. In BotW there's very little like that. Maybe that's why those shitty golems exist; to break all of your inventory.

>>14084762

why not making a whole new IP with the heroine saving the guy instead of graving an already stablished one?

you get more freedom to create shit and fans cannot shit on you

>>14084741

Here's a better idea: let the player actually use that fucking big fire sword without making it break after a minute. Is it too powerful to let the player use it nonstop? Balance it by making it use some sort of resource that isn't finite, like making it lose the fire effect if used a lot in a short period of time but then recharge over time (or better yet, balance it in some other way like just about every fucking game ever does, like making high damage weapons have short reach or slow swings or something). If you give me a big fancy special weapon I'm not going to waste its limited uses on normal shit enemies that I can just as well kill with a wooden stick. Thousands of hours of playing games has taught us to save shit because there is a very real chance that you can use it later in some way, and some stupid faggot on an imageboard telling people to be wasteful when then have no reason to isn't going to change that. Even if you can't use it, it's at least a trophy of some sort to have something fancy looking.

You're bitching at people for playing games like they're used to instead of just admitting that the design choice is fucking stupid and pointless.

>>14084762

>Protagonist Zelda just Link with breasts

Wow, that's pretty sexist.

Bumping for sweet Deku Link

>>14084762

Wait, did they try to make their own fan-fiction premise? Because that's literally just the OOT premise.

>>14084791

The weapon durability is to distract people from the fact that it's an open world game with nothing to collect.

>>14084816

>with breasts

I’m not sure about that.

>>14084786

>make new

For leftists, it’s not about having what they want. It’s about taking away what straight white males have. This is the most basic thing to understand about their “cultural contributions.”

>>14084825

>expecting a liberal to create something new

Heh.txt

>>14084831

Exactly like BotW, then. In Skyrim's defense, it set standards and conventions to the open-world genre that all western open-world games have been tying themselves to since (even if those standards were low and it didn't create those conventions).

If Skyrim is the iPhone of open world games, BotW is the Google Pixel.

>>14084866

What conventions did Skyrim feature that Oblivion hadn't already done?

>>14084762

>No reason for Zelda to be the protagonist

>Link doesn't look like Link

>'Link' has no reason to be a prince

>Botw combat but magic

>With jumping for 'tactics'

>Called clockwork even though the only standout gameplay element is magic

What the fuck even drives someone to make this?

Did he think about it at all?

>>14084279

Though this could happen but just make it about bows and magic, two things Zelda is already known for.

Replace dungeon items with spells, summons, and possessing shit. Like here's a dungeon idea:

>Shadow temple

>Main gimmick is light, you start needing to use fire spells to light torches to avoid deadly shadows

>Light arrows on fire to attack enemies in the dark who keep pelting you

>Unlock a following light spell, which has the option of putting you in the dark but firing a light beam ala mirror shield

>Can be used to attack ghostlike enemies, or hit reflective surfaces

>Combine it with a freezing spell on enemies with mirror shields to solve a puzzle

>Final boss needs a summon to be killed

>Enemies spawn, possess to move their shields into positions to finish a pattern for light to reflect

>Once the light hits all the surfaces big glowy friend shows up, opens the boss' weak spots to shoot

>>14084870

>even if it didn't create those conventions

>If Skyrim is the iPhone of open world games

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_comprehension

>>14084866

From what I read, BotW gets boring when trying to 100% it and some people prefer Skyrim because the illusion of progression, choice, freedom, and having another useless piece of shit with a unique name.

>>14084870

See that mountain?

>>14084869

> A BOTW 2 could be fantastic if nintendo when ahead and actually made a good game

you know what BOTW is gonna be? the same stuff but with an even bigger fucking map with even more barren space because they got away with it once. Once the consumer sets the bar low the studios will take the low road because they can get away with it. Everyone mindlessly showered BOTW with praise out the god damn gate and didn't take two god damn minutes to put some critical thought about the game, just "WOWEE NEW ZELDO, I LOVE ZELDO, LINK AND MASTER SWORD I KNOW THIS THING"

It's not event hat i abhorrently hate BOTW, the groundwork was cool and there were things i had genuine fun with but if you've played more than two video games in your life the cracks show pretty quickly

>>14084284

But anon, an ocean is just a vast expanse of nothing, with points of interest scattered throughout it! Nothing like BOTW at all!

>>14084910

Show me where I said anything about defending Nintendo, you illiterate man child. I said stop sucking Sony’s cock.

>>14084926

You’re on /v/, meaning you either pick a side or you reserve the right to get called a faggot by everyone

It’s how the board works, newfag, get used to it

>>14084921

Those small, desolate islands could never hope to match the density and verity of BOTW's mountains!

>>14084840

You get korok seeds and spirit orbs; both of which function as another form of currency. Which sucks.

>>14084954

and both of those solve problems that never should have existed in the first place (constrained inventory and tiny stamina gauge), so it’s almost mocking

>>14084279

>it would be nice to play a Zelda who had to help a weak Link instead of waiting for him to do everything

What would be nice is a game where Link and Ganondorf are best bros whose friendship is eventually challenged by Zelda and her zealots concerned about maintaining the prophecy.

>>14084957

Spirit orbs also replace heart container pieces, which makes it even worse that they are necessary for the stamina gauge.

>>14084791

>>14084869

>>14084741

>>14084718

>>14084869

Am I the only one here who uses fire swords as warmers to bypass elixir time limits? A Godsend when hunting in the Hedra region.

>>14085042

I did the same thing since I couldn’t be bothered with the cumbersome and otherwise meaningless cooking. I think I only ever made speed/attack food.

>>14084979

>Game where Link and Ganondorf become best friends

>Trying to track down the revived spirit of Demise, who becomes someone new each time

>This time he's become Zelda

>So the lone hero and beloved Gerudo King go on a quest to stop the Great Queen of Evil

>Throughout the journey, Ganondorf realizes that Demise will keep resurrecting as someone else each time, it could be anyone, any future child and that Demise willl keep choosing to resurrect as powerful people each generation

>At the end of the journey he makes a choice

>He fuses Demise's soul and his own together, ensuring he can only be resurrected as Ganondorf, who can only be born once every hundred years

>His last words to Link are to tell him not to be sad, no matter how many years, resurrections, and evil cloud him deep down he will always be his friend

It'd be the perfect way to use that shitty thing they started in SS and make something meaninful with it

>>14085021

>Actually let me expand on my point, BOTW is not a bad game but it fails as a Zelda and open world rpg game.

So the open world Rpg Zelda fails at being neither a good Zelda or a good open RPG, yet it isn't bad?

>>14085042

I was just using that weapon as an example. Replace Fire Sword with any other breakable weapon that is rewarded to you through the game.

>>14085055

Didn’t like Link Between Worlds? It has its own front loading issues but I thought it was solid outside of item progression

No one would have given a single shit about BotW if it wasn't a Zelda game.

>>14085081

Besides the the item renting gimmick and being a shitty pseudo remake of ALttP?

>>14085136

yeah, it was more of the same, but the level design was pretty good and rewarded you for dicking around. The dark dungeon was tight

>>14085075

It's not as great as it could of been but it's not an awful game.

>>14085142

There is not much to do in BOTW and not enough to make you go back to second playthrough.

>>14085148

I'm glad some of the dev team cared about the game but the gimmicks fucking hurt it.

shame the game’s music isn’t memorable when it’s usually a strong point of the series, even in the weaker games. This and the Hyrule Castle theme were all that stuck out to me

>>14085055

>That honor probably goes to Majora's Mask

Wind Waker was good faggot. Not amazing, but definitely good.

>>14085069

Ganondorf is criminally underused. Keeping him nebulous doesn't work game after game. I love his OOT design, and I want to play as him doing what he does

It seems like those who think that Skyrim is better than BotW think that illusions of depth is preferable to a lack of depth which I think is retarded.

>>14084342

>>14084343

Why are you talking to yourself, newfag?

>>14085173

>It's not as great as it could of been but it's not an awful game.

There are far worse games for sure, but I would still say that BOTW is, at best, mediocre. Yet the thing is, that it could be very good, that is probably what hurts the most. All that wasted potential.

The firsts hours of the games are, in my opinion, wonderful, at least the first time you play. You are weak and without gear, in a strange land. Everything is shrouded in mystery, the world feels huge and wondrous. You find some enemies that you can take care of in multiple ways, and it seems like you can interact with the world in many ways to solve challenges and open paths in a creative manner. Is fantastic and sets great expectation for the rest of the game. Then it goes all downhill from there. Shallow quest, boring shrines, pitiful enemy variety with almost no challenge which in turn makes the decent combat feel boring and being creative pointless as you will steamroll enemies anyway and even if they do a lot of damage it is easy to avoid, awful rewards for exploring the game, soon the feeling of having an adventure disappear when you know that beyond a hidden cave or maze just lies another fucking shrine, awful dungeons, it is full of bad ideas like the durability system, limited inventory, upgrade system that is kind of annoying, and the plot, while kind of interesting at first, also fails to live up to the its expectations.

But what hurts is that with some changes it could have been a great game, thats the worst part. It has many good ideas and it almost made for a good open world game, something we hadn't have in quite a while, yet fails in the same ways Ubisoft's garbage fails, and is just sad. If it was just completely garbage I wouldn't give two shits about it, but it hurts how much better it could have been.

>>14085221

>illusions of depth is preferable to a lack of depth

They're functionally identical, but at least the former shows an effort to please the player

>>14085221

neither game have flaws like BOTW/skyrim but receive critical praise like they do

>>14085203

>Literally no melody

>>14085247

>They're functionally identical, but at least the former shows an effort to please the player

It is like praising a service for being a nice scam. It is like saying less obvious lie is out of care for the one being lied to.

Skyrim is a shit game because they pretend that what you do in the game matters. Obviously, you aren't going to get true freedom in CRPG but Skyrim was always intended to be played forever in a single playthrough until the next TES game comes out. The civil war is more or less the same for both sides because fuck you.

>>14085292

>neither

?

It's a fucking shame that Zelda II was the only good Zelda game.

>>14084762

I remember the creator of this bitched on twitter that "Nintendo stole my idea".

>>14084786

>>14084825

>why not making a whole new IP with the heroine saving the guy instead of graving an already stablished one?

>Wait, did they try to make their own fan-fiction premise?

The guy who made that is an SJW and SJW's cannot create, only destroy.

>>14085314

>>neither

fucked up my post, lemme try again - no game should have flaws like BOTW/skryime but receive critical praise like they do*. If they didn't have brand names behind them they woulda got gutted by the bottom feeder critics who like to be negative about everything that does pay their banner ads

>>14085206

Wind Wanker is shit and even more unfinished than OOT. People only mention the art since the game itself is sub-par.

>>14085334

They added an bonus dungeon you can't access without that amiibo, but fuck them don't buy it.

>>14085334

To give the hot glue treatment to Midna or Wolf Link if you are a furfag

>>14085334

if you want it as a collectors item just shell out a bit extra money and buy a half decent figure instead of the mcdonalds tier amiibos

>>14085334

If you want to replay it, it's pretty much the definitive version. They made it less of a gigantic bitch to hunt for ghosts, so it's a good chance to go for a 100% playthrough if you didn't before.

>>14085337

No, it's a shit Zelda and arguably still the worst. BOTW being shit doesn't change that. SS it bad because of it's huge flaws, whereas BOTW is bad because it's empty and bland.

>>14085242

Honestly this is how I feel about the game.

>>14085310

It evokes a sense of peace and wonder in me, but that might just be bias because it’s used in a lot of the cooler places in the game, like the Hebra skeleton.

the shrine theme is just a worse version of Tower of the Gods though

>>14085337

These are correct statements but presented disingenuously, 3/10 bait I replied

>>14085242

>The firsts hours of the games are, in my opinion, wonderful, at least the first time you play.

This is how I feel about most open world games lately and why I'm so fucking checked out on the entire concept. Even Fallout 4 I'm willing to admit i really enjoyed the first 2-3 hours before it sank in that was all to it. Mgsv too until it hit me that I wasn't going to get many compounds to infiltrate and just shitty outposts where sniping was optimal. I just groan when devs boast their open worlds and want to fucking die when a game that previously wasn't open world goes full open

>>14085389

But being more than the sum of its parts is the crux of a lot of posters’ complaints, guy. It’s a good concept with hollow execution; a barren game overall save for the brief sparks of creativity and discovery where it applies itself and everything comes together. I don’t think anybody thinks poorly of the Castle, for example.

>>14085381

Actually Skyward Sword really is my favorite Zelda behind botw

>>14085424

Skyward Sword is the most fun ive had in a home console Zelda, but as another already phrased it, it really is “broken glass”.

>>14085389

The framework is good. Now fill it with

>actual dungeons (No, the fucking beasts can barely be called dungeons. The first dungeon in OoT is more fucking involved, fuck off)

>more variance in shrines

>bigger shrines

>let me trade orbs beyond 3 bars of stamina

>let me trade orbs for a magic meter

>add magic items

>louder and more frequent music

>better weapons, the durability system is fucking retarded, at least let me carry broken weapons and repair them somewhere

>better armor system, too many full sets had useless bonuses

>more reasons to craft beyond hearty items, they were way too easy to make and made every other food pointless

>don't throw my fucking tools at me at the start, let me go into xbox hueg dungeons and earn them

>more tools, cryosis was barely used and I just didn't even care about stasis until I got to puzzles even with the upgraded version

>more secrets spread around the overworld that contain shit bettter than swords weaker than a swedish hymen

>make the above mentioned new tools usable to get new secrets around the world

>more sidequests, the amount is laughable

The sheer amount of nothing in BotW makes me question why people praise this shit. My guess is reddit or incredibly low standards.

>>14085422

The problem was that the concept was in previous 3d Zeldas. Every open area in 3D zelda games was just there to get from point a to point b and was kind of trash. It isn't much different in this game either, only it feels even worse because point b was hardly even worth it.

>>14085452

quality over quantity nigga

>>14085452

>My guess is reddit or incredibly low standards.

muh brand name, muh nintendo magic, muh zeldo. You really underestimate how much normalfags worship zelda games to suck one anothers dick about how much they love zelda because they had OOT, and OOT means MAD 90S KID NOSTALGIA POINTS

>>14085389

>Second picture starting from the left, second row.

>A shrine

Heh. I know it is there because of the quick travel system

I have play the game anon. In fact, if you asked me the first days when I started it, I wouldn't have nothing but praise for it. But the fact is that the sums of its part is still not enough. I don't know if you want to imply with that picture that the game is full of journeys and wondrous places, and it looks beautiful but the truth is different.

>Find imposing dragon flying on the sky. Thinks it is some kind of epic quest or boss.

<Get an scale to open a shrine

>Find strange Maze near the coast.

<While kind of fun to find your way, it has no puzzles, no enemies and you rewards is a shrine.

>Find strange and beautiful castle, supposedly related to legends of an old civilization.

<A shrine inside.

>The desert has strange huge statues there, and a puzzle to solve.

<A shrine.

>Go to a town in the beach, small but nice. Find a guy investigating some old ruins. Gives toy clues of how to open it.

<Inside is just a shrine.

>Abandoned island, you have to survive without you gear. Is fun and neat, have to think and get creative, easy to die.

<In the end you are rewarded with a shrine.

>Numerous mysterious structures around the world.

<The majority are puzzles hiding shrines.

>Get the champions weapon when completing related quest.

<They still break.

>The game starts by giving you the special functions of the sheika tablet, which is pretty fun

<That is all that the games give you, without counting a camera and radar function and some upgrades that aren't really that impressive.

>Biggest variety of weapons time in all of Zelda

<They break, so most of the time you cannot even use the ones you like-

>At first enemies are dangerous, make you excited to see the more.

<Almost no variety, lack of attacks and real danger.

>You find people that need help, giving you quest.

<Not only are most of those quest boring, the ones that aren't give you a fucking awful reward. They are, for the most part, not worth doing. (Seriously, a couple of rupees for going to Hyrule Castle and collect a whole set of Royal Weapons is just shit)

>Can do the dungeons whenever you want. If the open world is so good, the dungeons have to be amazing, right?

<Wrong. They are worse than some fucking shrines, just longer.

<And the bosses are just recolored versions of the same boss with different last stages.

>The Master Sword feels mysterious and really wants to make you get it. It finally feel like a good long term reward.

<Is extremelly underwhelming. I don't give a fuck it is for balancing reason, considering how shit every single other reward is, the Master Sword could had atleast being good.

<Yet somehow it still kind of broken for the simple fact that is the only weapon that doesn't break.

<Tons of DLC, including difficulty modes and shit that should be in the game.

>There are some neat little things hidden through the world, like the mount in your picture.

<Yet they are in the minority.

>Can upgrade gear.

<The system is tedious, requiring a lot of materials and the upgrades are not very exciting, yet totally necessary to avoid being one hitted.

>Find mysterious ruins in a jungle, full of enemies.

<Shrine at the end.

>You are rewarded with spells at the end of dungeons.

<Although useful, it is not very fun because they are automatic effects like "protect you from one hit" or "resurrects you".

And the list goes on. Also a pit peeve of mine

>Great cooking system.

<All consumables are used on the inventory, making an easy game easier.

In fact, I would say that looking at the individual good parts is the only way that you can defend this game, because some parts are very well done, the whole is a fucking mess anon.

>>14085474

BotW has no quality, it is all quantity. Thats the real problem. 100+ shrines do not make a good game.

>>14082629

>This is true because science

hmm

>>14085484

<While kind of fun to find your way, it has no puzzles, no enemies and you rewards is a shrine.

Shit, wanted to say "not NEW enemies", sorry.

Okay i have played neither Skyrim nor BoTW. I have seen play through videos of both though.

BoTW seems like a good game to me. The open world exploration and the fact that the game eschews the traditional linear path that other Zelda games have had is a nice break from the usual. The weapons finding can be a bit of a grind at times but it seems easy to figure out once you get the hang of it. I watched one guy spend 20 minutes just collecting sticks and such because he didn't want to use up the three swords he had. Its nice to see that you can use so many different things as weapons. The dungeons are weird though, from what i saw they are either empty puzzles or massive enemy filled challenges that in some cases you can easily solve without the prerequisite item from a previous dungeon. That's nice too but i prefer to get what i need and finish a dungeon quickly. And yeah the final boss fight looks more like a cheesy QTE than a real fight.

All in all i still think Twilight Princess was a better game.

>>14085452

>>14085484

I'm going to get shit for this but arguably Darksiders 1&2 were better Zelda like games then BOTW due to how they had actual dungeons and true puzzles plus more.

>>14085548

Never played Darksiders, hear they are ok. My biggest problem isn't that BotW isn't a good Zelda or "Zelda like". Far from it, I was actually interested in Nintendo taking the game in a different direction, while taking some elements from old games. The problem is that what they have is not good.

>>14083444

> BotW if fuck around you end up finding korok seeds, shrines, cool scenery, and a bunch of chests containing random useful stuff.

Are you for real here? Kokoro seeds are just fucking inventory expansion, shrines are fucking shit and just a testimony that you can endure shitty reward and tedious repetitions, Skyrim has cool scenery too, hell, tons of fuckin AAA games have cool scenaries because graphics is the main concern, and random stuff, as in, fucking consumables and breakable weapons? Nintendo did better, but it still fucked up. Also useful /= fun, the Master Sword in the game is useful, is boring as fuck.

>A-fucking-men, I'll never understand how, without fail, /v/ seems to always hate the new zelda and then when the next zelda comes out they love the old zelda.

>/v/ is one person.

Good non-argument there. People will shit on every fucking Zelda.

>OOT is babies first Zelda.

>MM is only hipster garbage.

>WW kiddie Zelda and lol empty sea.

>TP short, gimmicky objects, edgy, MM did dark better.

>SW TUTORIAL, WORDS WORDS WORDS.

>ALttP oldfag's overrated shit.

>Etc.

>>14085452

The high praise it got might prevent it from ever seeing those improvements. Seems like when a game gets massive praise, developers focus on simplifying and making the gameplay more accessible in future games. I imagine this is what they are thinking now:

>dungeons and shrines being optional was good since players who got stuck could just skip them

>shrines were a good thing due to puzzles being of varying difficulty and providing easily digestible dungeon experiences

>multiple weapons with breakage provided more variety to combat

>a large, open world with plenty of space between landmarks gave the player time to consider what lay ahead and offered a buildup before reaching the destination

>crafting was simple and provided the illusion that many variations of items could be created while only requiring a single image graphic and name

>the starting area gave the players everything they needed to explore the game after that point

>shrines that looked the same made them less confusing to players

>a small number of simple sidequests kept focus on the main objectives of the game

>simple, barely audible music tracks provided enhanced immersion when nothing was going on in the game

The next Zelda game will likely continue the perfect design of BotW. All thanks to game reviewers.

>>14085310

Twilight Princess is "missed potential" the game. There's so many things about it that just barely miss the mark of being something amazing. So many unfinished ideas and forced mechanics that borrow from the older titles that feel shoe horned. I could honestly write pages on what it did right and what it should have done right. What's worse is that it's still a better game than BoTW despite being more linear.

>>14085862

It's got the same problem as every 3D Zelda (except Majora), everything is shallow. It's all presentation and no substance.

>>14085548

Not going to shit on you for that. You are correct.