/v/ - Video Games

>>14060620

Java's fine. Eclipse is terrible. You will want a better IDE sooner rather than later.

First for VIDEOGAMES

>>14060647

failure

>>14060660

Release a demo on 2/2, maybe 5/5.

>>14060660

Mine is to stop being a NEET and get a job

Making a game comes after

>>14060660

I probably won't make it, but I want to release Manlet Simulator by April Fool's.

>>14060695

download EasyRPG Maker :^)

>>14060805

There are good and bad ones on it. Anything you're looking for in particular?

>>14060805

The ones in the CS section are the essential books for programming.

IDK why people don't like the SICP book, but it gives good insight as to what happens, step by step, when you do 'this'

>>14060805

Do you want to make games or engines? If you want to make games, that's a lot of unnecessary shit.

>>14060840

> IDK why people don't like the SICP book

Probably because it's borderline philosophical and not "HOW MAEK GAEM"

>>14060764

Try Atari 2600 programming, that thing has 128 bytes of ram. Not kilobytes - BYTES. Try doing fucking anything with that.

>>14060905

Well, you can make an ET game with that. :^)

>>14060908

Yeah, and that was done by one guy in a couple weeks. Still a fucking amazing accomplishment, considering what he had to work with.

>>14060988

>buying books

>>14060997

Personally if I have a book I'd rather have the actual thing infront of me than reading a PDF. But like I said. Books are fucking worthless.

>>14060988

Think of all the time you spent writing that, and think of how much programming you could have gotten done.

>>14061042

You'll have to tell us what your project is or we won't know if you're here or not.

Quick question: is Love2D any good? I was originally going to roll my own engine (yeah right, like that would ever happen) because most existing engines do too much in my opinion, but Love2D seems like it would be what I was looking for. It gets the OS technicalities out of the way and leaves me with a blank slate for my game. All I want to know is if there is anything shit about it before I devote more time to it (I don't mind Lua, it has some dumb design decisions, but nothing that would put me off).

>>14061076

It will be a gay ass RPG maker game. I have like two versions of that fucking shit. Will probably be MV since I already know some JS.

Beyond that its gonna take some planning. This is just me saying I'm going to finally Shiah this shit and just do it.

someone make a video game where you capture people

>>14061148

this will never ever happen

>>14061139

>I'm going to finally Shiah this shit

Just keep that flag safe, then.

>>14061151

captuuuuure~ "wow" I got another one "tee hee"

>>14061139

Coincidentally for you, I love gay ass RPG Maker games.

Tell me about your shit, anon.

>>14060660

i fulfilled that one thanks to the ludum dare anons

>>14061166

Good call. He will nut inside us.

>>14061174

Alright. Making a game is a bucket list thing for me like many game nerds. I've been making strides to learn about the process, but I've found when I take my ideas too seriously I get bogged down. So, now I've decided on an idea that it is impossible for me to take seriously that I can just have fun with. At this point I will say what motivated me to finally post here is that there aren't enough fucking Christmas games. I want to make one. Will it blow? Probably. In the end will it have about as much to do with Christmas as the Star Wars Holiday Special? Probably. Is it an idea I can have fun with and just call my first game and maybe have a few lulz along the way. Definitely. That is why I am choosing this topic.

All the same, gonna take this motivation and work on some early assets/characters.

>>14060660

It's to both make a video game and to stop my fat fuckery. Have a lot of ideas I scribbled on a legalpad while at work that I hope to get playable by the year's end.

Anyone have any pointers/tutorials on making textures for a 255-color pallet by hand? I have a feeling artists back in the day did it by pixel, which is something I'd like to avoid to save time.

>>14061226

Looking forward to it, dude.

programming is such a tedious piece of shit process, what kinda game can i make with art/3d models that isn't a VN

>>14061438

A narrative driven experience. :^)

>>14061474

The thumb is too big, and the palm seems fat near the wrist.

>>14061474

index / ring finger ratio determines how much test your guy has, ideally you want women to have a lower ratio than the men

>>14061770

love2d uses box2d for physics, and yeah, you should just roll out your own system if you don't need realistic collisions. The reasoning being that you're going to spend just as much time fighting against box2d trying to get it behaving exactly how you want it to as if you were to write your own physics. It's not unfeasible to use box2d for simple platformer style physics though, Shovel Knight uses box2d iirc.

>>14060805

OpenGL programming Guide 9th edition (red book) is good but I recommend OpenGL 4 Shading Language Cookbook instead. Reads better, smaller and more concise, far superior example and GL boilerplate code.

Open GL Super Bible (blue book) is nearly worthless. It is good for OpenGL 3.3, or if you need to know old and deprecated OpenGL for some reason.

OpenGL Shading Lanuage 3rd Edition (orange book) is outdated and not that good. all of the shader code is online if you look.

K&R C is a great book. Do the example work. Effective C++ is decent, but older now. Effective STL is not that good, mostly because I recommend not using most of the functional features of the STL. If you do, do it the C++11 way (not covered in the book).

Code Complete is pretty good but mostly can be boiled down into a few simple pointers and design guides.

AI For Games 2nd edition is a good overview book with some OK examples. I haven't finished reading it yet.

The GPU Gems series can be downloaded for free from NVidia I think. #1 and #2 are pretty outdated now.

>>14060905

Sounds almost easier, from a holistic perspective. It's less space to work with, so you know your limitations, you have less code to write (but you have to comb it and optimize it harder), and you don't have any real assets to produce.

The NES gives you enough size to really have to worry about large-structure coding in assembly, and gives you a lot more to think about in terms of how and wear to store and represent data.

Why do you think there were so many Atari carts by every fucking guy with a computer floating around and almost no NES ones, even after it was discovered how to bypass the lockout chip? It's the same reason there are so many 2D indie games compared to 3D. Assets production and work take a massive portion of coding and prep time. Anybody can throw some polygons on a screen. Most "hello worlds" are just throwing polygons on the screen. There's a barrier to entry that the NES necessarily had in the complexity that became expected of games at the time. If you had an NES game that played and looked exactly like an Atari 2600, people would find it really old-fashioned.

Note that I have done no Atari 2600 programming, and am largely speaking out of assumption.

>>14061800

>>14061901

I don't think you want to fully throw out box2d. You can code your whole physics world and simply use box2d for collision work. It's incredibly effective and saves a lot of time compared to rolling your own collision plus physics.

>>14062880

>consulting books

alright grandpa

>>14062886

Bet your ol' man can't into ctrl+f

>>14062857

Considering it's taken me a month to make one LOCATION in my game, that doesn't sound doable. I'm sure with a simplistic concept I could push something out but I like comfy long stretches of work so personally not something I'd go for.

>>14062857

>>14062942

It's often recommended when people talk about mobile games. I remember hearing that often in the Unity forums. If you plan on making mobile games, then it's fine. For PC/console games however, one months is not a whole lot. It's certainly doable, but only if the idea/concept is simple enough to be comparable to mobile games or you only create a techdemo. Think about The Binding of Isaac. That's possible to do in one month, if we're talking about creating the mechanics and some basic content to test them out with. If you're going 3D, it'll be more difficult.

>>14062972

I think if you've already god a bunch of modules made (character controller, dialogue, inventory) then you can probably slap them together in a month and make something different.

I do like the idea, but a month is way too little

>>14062942

>>14062972

>>14062976

How about a seasonal game?

>I think if you've already got a bunch of modules made (character controller, dialogue, inventory) then you can probably slap them together in a month and make something different.

Interesting point, althought I don't think "devs" who does this kind of challenge have this line of thought. In the long run it will be quite inevitable, even when you make it something from scratch the algorithms are still in your head, you may not have the modules there but you are probably going to make 'em twice as faster then before. A friend of mine spent months researching and developing a lighting system and after much pain he made it work, then he made another game from scratch and remade the same system in one week without consulting his previous code.

>>14062886

I'm thinking of starting a patreon to make videos of working through C and OpenGL books for millennials. Doing the examples, explaining the reasoning. Build up a simple distance field rendering system as the core of the examples.

>>14063199

If you want the real shekels, you should make tutorials for how to code Minecraft for every console/8-bit computer ever made. I'd actually watch that, probably.

>>14062857

I'm planning on remaking old atari 2600 and NES games, so is doable for me.

>>14062857

You can do it if you use premade assets and just focus on inventing new gameplay paradigms.

In Gamemaker how do I make some enemy shoot something is like a laser and keeps going in a straight line until it hits something? I don't mean a projectile that moves, but like a solid line. Like that thing they do in Dragon Ball Z.

>>14063199

As a retard that can't learn from books and can only learn by his mistakes, in depth video tutorials where you explain everything are extremely bad to learn.

Every time I tried following one I just followed along and copied their code.

What I'd really like to see are mini-tutorials to explain how to do very specific things. You could start off trying to replicate certain things from certain games and make examples out of those.

Also you don't start a patreon and then make videos, it's usually the opposite.

>>14063571

I think GameMaker has a built-in drawline function, so basically you'd have an enemy shooting out the tip of the laser which behaves like a normal moving projectile, but a line is drawn between the laser tip and the laser origin using the coordinates of both.

>>14064499

The black lines in the black should just have one split, like the words.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LasPe8GI4XQ

Progress.

>>14065393

I coded an armor system that works with the way I have bodies set up. Basically when someone is hit, the game randomly determines where. For a humanoid, the options are head, torso, left leg, right leg, left arm right arm (considering splitting limbs into upper, lower, and hand/feet, but that's probaby overkill), each weighted differently (torso hits being more common than head hits for instance). Each piece of armor has a list of locations it covers (Usually one piece except for legs and things that come in a pair like bracers), and I set up a pair of functions that correctly remove existing armor from any of those locations before equipping a new piece.

Probably not going to bother with things like layering plate over mail - more work for me that makes things more confusing for the player without really adding much.

As for actual damage mitigation, each piece of armor has a flat damage absorb value and also a resistance modifier for various damage types. Either the full damage around the flat amount and then multiplied by the appropriate resistance value, or multiplied first and then reduced by the flat amount. Not sure which is better, though the latter would make armor more powerful in general.

>>14065486

It's close enough to look deliberate, and far enough nobody would be arsed to sue. I'd say it's a keeper.

>>14065486

If you really want it to be different, you can just tweak it a little bit.

Otherwise, it's a happy coincidence.

I'm thinking of making a 3D engine in Python. Would python be efficient enough to run fast?

>>14066228

Python is slower than C#.

>>14066230

Yeah, but python isn't for homosexuals unlike C#. Main reason I stay away from C#

>>14066233

Haha what? You've got that completely backwards.

C#:

>developed by CIAniggers, owned by microkike

python:

>FOSS and libre

>>14066247

That has no bearing on whether homosexuals use it.

>>14066253

Anyone who supports CIAniggers in any way is a 100% homogay though.

>>14066247

>Do i have to worry about security problems or backdoors in my product?

>Do they make monetary profit from me using their language?

If both answers are no it doesn't really matter to be honest, use whatever works for you.

>>14066346

I hope you're not using an x86 based PC then :^)

>>14066230

> Brainlet programming in C# for archaic computers

> Not programming in Q# for superior computers that don't even exist yet

take a shot every time she says quantum *if you want to die**

>>14066369

is this real?

>>14066228

no, it would run like shit

>>14066183

I don't think there are really many actual resources on writing game engines in general, just a bunch of resources that might help you write a specific component of your engine. You just have to start programming stuff and eventually you will see it all fitting together.

Start with a "hello triangle" program ,etc etc

>>14066473

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/quantum/development-kit

>>14066483

I'm more interested on resources about embedding lua in games or at the very least realtime programs.

>>14066502

Make one yourself. You can't trust the mentally ill to do anything.

>>14066511

>You can't trust the mentally ill to do anything.

What happened, it's been over 2 years since I saw this webm and I've never seen what happened of it.

>>14066515

>he doesn't know

I'll just wait for someone to post the montage pic.

>>14066492

just sounds like embedding a scripting language in any other program - I doubt it has a specific category.

>>14066515

Short story is that the developer said that Neir:Automata (not sure how to spell it) plagiarized his project, and also said that Neir fans were following him around and harassing him. That incident was the "straw that broke the camels back" I think, since the developer isn't in a good situation at all. Lots of rumors go around but the general idea is that he inherited a lot of debt, and has to be a NEET and lives in some slum since any work he could do would just go into the debt anyway. Now that he is ostracized from 8chan he doesn't post anymore. Whenever he gets brought up the same people who made him leave, like >>14066535 generally rush in to shit on him all over again. So, you won't see him again.

>>14066502

>>14066566

Kind a shame because it looked like it could have been good too. All well.

>>14066566

I should state for the record that I quite like Tetrachrome and I'm impressed with Tetradev's work. I'd like him to get over his persecution complex and finish his game, but as you mentioned, he has more important concerns than that right now.

>>14066576

Tthe bottom line is that as long as he keeps getting shit on by /v/ at every mention of his name, like what you're doing with the filenames, he will never come back.

The game was supposed to be the way that he got out of the mess that he is currently in, but for that to actually work, he would have needed to be on the same kind of pedestal that /v/ put yandev onto before his falling out. Obviously that didn't happen and the people that would have been his fans (Nier fans) are all pissed off at him. I only brought up his situation since it can explain why Neir was such a big deal to him.

>>14066616

>Tthe bottom line is that as long as he keeps getting shit on by /v/ at every mention of his name, like what you're doing with the filenames, he will never come back.

I don't particularly care whether he posts on 8chan again or not. If he can't handle the bants, then I don't want him to get triggered or whatever. I just want to see his progress on his game, which I can't do because the only site he regularly updates is his Tumblr, which can't be viewed without an account.

>Obviously that didn't happen and the people that would have been his fans (Nier fans) are all pissed off at him.

Well yeah, because he outright accused the creator of plagiarizing his game on completely circumstantial evidence. I'd be pissed too if some guy I never heard of said I can't like a thing because it has a robot waifu protagonist just like his game I'd never seen before.

If he were willing to admit that Yoko Taro probably didn't plagiarize his game, I'd stop posting about it, but as you can see from pic 2 above (which is <2 months old), he still believes N:A was plagiarized, he still holds a grudge over it, and he's wallowing in despair with his game being "99% cancelled" because he can't handle a game existing that's in any way similar to his work and doesn't realize that spectacle fighters are an incredibly underserved genre and N:A's success indicates that his game could sell well too. I just want him to stop being stupid about this and not give up.

>>14066616

I don't know if the guy got plagiarized or what but that's pretty spooky. I remember that guy too, he was too proud for his own good. If I was working on something that nice looking I wouldn't show anybody.

>>14066654

I know, i'm sure you knew the second half of my post too, but maybe someone not familiar with the drama might find it useful.

I agree with you on that, the game can still be a success, but the ball is in his court, so, we can only wait and see what happens.

Why aren't we seeing a shit load of decent 3d platformers now indie devs have all the tools for them pre packaged in shit like unity?

>>14066997

Turns out making a game is hard?

I guess yooka-laylee was "decent" though.

>>14066654

Releasing a similar movie around the time of a block buster tends to be a successful tactic for spoiler movie producers. People are aware of the genre and get curious what else is out there.

While I thought Nier was a complete fucking mess that needed to pick a damn genre. It's clear that waifu bots have mileage. Make your character appeal to the autistic drawfags and it will sell it's self.

>>14067244

And yet I can find less and less I wish to play..

>>14066997

Because 3d platformers are shit? Platforming is not a mechanic that translates well to a 3d environment. You can have platforming IN a 3d game, but basing one entirely around platforming is a recipe for failure. Even the 3d Marios don't really try the pure platformer route.

I have no doubt that whenever an indie developer starts working on a 3d platformer, he inevitably either converts it into some other genre that's easier to make a half-decent game out of, or gives up because he can't figure out any way to make his game "fun".

>>14067348

3D platforming works fine as long as you don't fill it with bottomless pits. Crash, Gex, Mario and Sonic have all done 3D platforming well.

>>14067367

Sonic has become the laughing stock it is precisely because they never figured out how to do 3d platforming well at all. Gex relies primarily on gimimicks and is estremely light on platforming at all. The only game on that list that goes pure platformer is Crash, but it does hallways to get around having to be 3d at all.

>>14067409

Never said any were perfect only that they were good in places.

>>14067348

Platforming in 3D works well if you have a large margin for error. No tiny platforms or ways to instantly die, and an input buffer that lets you jump, even after you've fallen off a platform. It's most enjoyable when it's on the loose side, instead of trying to make you do anything precise. Mario 64 romhacks try to do precise platforming and it ends up being the worst shit imaginable.

>>14067490

You can't hang your game on loose platforming. I totally agree with you that precision platforming in 3d feels like shit, but the alternative is to make the game too easy. As a result, your challenge has to come from something other than the platforming, which generally results in abandoning the game as a "platformer" and turning it into some entirely different genre that might have platforming in the background.

>>14067516

>You can't hang your game on loose platforming

Why not? Mario 64 gave you a bunch of playgrounds, and that worked. You just have to make the movement fun to play with, and allow for lots of tricks. The challenge comes from trying to do things in better, more advanced ways, simply because it's fun.

>>14067516

Platforming in and of it's self has never been the only mechanic used in platforming games. Games like Magical quest has multiple power ups which complement the platforming. It's like saying a FPS game can only have WASD and a shoot button.

>>14063588

Interesting. Thanks. What kind of mini-tutorials? Any specific thing or effect you would be interested in?

Maybe procedurally generating height field and then triangulating chunks of it into an OpenGL vertex buffer object for rendering?

Or a simple real-time smoke effect using feedback buffers?

>>14063347

Early 8bit wouldn't have enough power - memory bandwidth. 16bit though, like Atari ST or Amiga (motorola 68000) systems could maybe do something interesting. I think it would still be pretty rough. The Amiga could barely pull off an extremely low resolution and limited wolfenstein clone.

>>14066230

Sure. Depends on what you mean though. Don't ask too much of python in terms of native speed. It's pretty slow. Use C/C++ libraries with Python bindings.

PyOpenGL gives you access to OpenGL 1.2 through 4.4. pybullet gives you a binding to Bullet3D for fast collision and physics. Done and done. Have fun.

>>14066183

The only gotcha I'm aware of is splitting your dynamic game data between the Lua runtime environment memory and C/C++ memory. Everything I've seen points to keeping everything in C/C++ controlled memory and having Lua operate on it through functions. Consider the mess if you don't do this: you need to save a game object. Part of it's data is inside your LuaJIT state as Lua variables & tables. Part of it is in a C++ class or two. Also, what happens when the Lua state is reset? Oh no, we just lost all objects dropped on the floor throughout the level (as a random example). It's better if everything lives on the C++ memory heap.

>>14065393

>youkaifag at it again but making his own 3d art instead

I am impressed, at the very least it's not in the drawthread requests and your'e actually doing it for once.

>>14067771

yeah I like the process of making 3d more than drawing/making 2d.

I won't go pro level but I think it's decent enough for a free game.

the model I posted is going to be used for practice/test mesh I guess.

I still don't know what the hell I want to make (I blame myself for being a fanartfag than being an OCfag)

my pipedream is to recreate yo-kai watch 3 on the pc

>>14066616

He got shat on for being fucking insane, this is not a daycare.

>>14060805

>Are any of the books here particularly useful for devving?

Not really. In all cases, the beginner books are sufficient to get started and create what you want. There are some antiquated or unhelpful books in there that are just thrown in to confuse you. Lots of redundancy too. If you read through all of those, then you will be able to work at a company, but you will never make anything on your own. Knowledge can paralyze you if you cannot utilize it. Knowing the best way to do something won't help you if you do not have the skill to implement it well.

>>14060902

I'd ignore the suggestion of reading The Pragmatic Programmer if you are a beginner. Many developers follow that doctrine and shill it at companies. Unfortunately, half of the book is poor advice and useless platitudes. A person wouldn't know unless they had around 20 years of experience in the field. A far superior book that would benefit beginners is The Practice of Programming written by Kernighan and Pike. It will help you cut through all the bullshit and stupid advice you may run into reading those 100+ other books.

>>14068407

Surprising enough this book is included on the chink's list. Looks like >>14060902 was outplayed after all.

Programming books are worthless. You're at a computer all the time so why not read online tutorials? Programming is simple. All languages work mostly the same and have similar syntax. The biggest differences between languages are their standard libraries. You look up as you go along when you need something from one. If you need an external library, you look that up too. Once you gain some experience, you'll know what to expect from a language without even looking at its documentation.

When I was starting out, I was told to do a lot of stupid stuff. I had no experience so I didn't realize how stupid it was. I was told about the Eunuchs Philosophy which is a joke considering how poorly Unix is made. I was told to make games in Lisp and Haskell because those were the "good" languages. I read SICP which is nothing but a meme. Don't get me wrong, those languages do have value but not for making practical software. The "bad" languages that I was avoiding like PHP and C++ were the most productive and where I learned the most about programming. I'm still interested in Lisp and it has many interesting features but it's not for productivity and there's a reason for that. It's not perfect like the evangelicals like to say. Unfortunately the evangelicals often drown out good advice for beginners. It's hard to find good advice for beginners. It takes a lot of work to sort through the nonsense. I feel like an idiot for trying to use crude tools to do projects when I could have been using tools are that simple and well maintained. Most programming books are archaic and irrelevant. They're often intended for schools or simply to look appealing by having creative looking art on the cover and catchy titles. Don't trust anyone that profits from ignorance. Using C when it's possible to use C++ is retarded and one of the telling signs of an incompetent programmer. C++ has all of C's features, is compatible with C's libraries, and has a lot of features of its own like templates, namespaces, a bigger standard library, and classes. The one big thing C has over C++ is faster compile times mainly because of templates but you don't need to overuse templates in C++ and you shouldn't be making monolithic projects anyway.

Programming really clicked for me when I started doing my own projects and learned to read API documentation. Before I learned to use libraries, it was mystic to me how the basic things I knew like conditionals and loops could be used to do stuff like render graphics on a screen or play sound. Avoiding bloated IMEs like Eclipse or VS and frameworks like Rails or Boost helps a lot. Every language has its goto bloated framework. You often have to use them in jobs which is annoying. Bloated frameworks are cancer. I started learning programming to make video games. I made my first engine which took a lot of begging for help online. I later retired it and did a lot of smaller projects and generally studying programming. I remade my engine several years later and it's a lot better. It's portable(platform wise), doesn't have bloated dependencies, doesn't have performance problems, fixes a lot of bugs, has more features with a much smaller and simpler code base, and is generally better.

tl;dr: Beginner programmers get a lot of retarded advice so they should work on their own to find out what works best for them. Programming can't be learned through a book, it has to be practiced.

>>14068688

Spot. Fucking. On.

Someone should screenshot and post it cant bcs I'm on mobile

>>14068688

Very much this. Everything I know is pretty much self taught. In high school I started with romhacking Super Mario World and wanted to code my own enemies to I read the guides people had written for how to do that. When I started amateur gamedev, I did the same thing - thought about what I wanted to make, and looked up youtube tutorials of people doing similar. I started by following their example as-is, but then I started tweaking and adapting the code to work in the way I wanted it to rather than the way some guy on the internet had made it. As I got more practice, my web searching became less about how to code a specific thing and more general questions to fix smaller problems. Learn by doing - all of the information you could ever want and more is out there, just decide what you want to know and look for it.

>>14069439

emebed related is another resource on why someone would use C over C++

>>14068688

I think you're a (1)-and-done hypocrite, and the fact that you have a bunch of (1)s fellating you is suspect as well. You claim that "Bloated frameworks are cancer" but refuse to acknowledge that C++ and PHP are bloated languages. Also, whoever told you to make a game in Lisp or Haskell (which probably never happened and you just misinterpreted what they actually said) is a fucking retard. The reason you should learn those languages isn't to make a game with them, it's to get a fundamental understanding of how computers work and how to make software design decisions. Certainly you don't need it and you can "learn as you go" instead, but the concepts introduced and discussed in e.g. SICP will help you understand and overcome future programming challenges. It's why having a math background is also really useful; sure, you don't need to learn everything about the Law of Cosines and conic sections in one go, but if you already know them you can use them when they're relevant to what you're doing.

>>14069439

Although I agree with you, that's a bit of an ad hominem, considering he explicitly said Boost is shit and the only other reasons Linus gives there are "C keeps out C++ programmers" and "C++ causes you to do stupid things".

Gamemaker 2 is on sale, should I?

>>14069583

Don't waste your shekels.

>>14069583

No.

>>14069341

You're a kind soul, thanks

>>14069562

The point is, is that it's "just like make game".

Which is best done through trial and error.

Most here I bet are at an age where college level knowledge is taken for granted, and should already know up to, at least, calculus in terms of math; in addition to equivelant levels for other field.

I.e. Background knowledge is the foundation that you built upon, and should already have been acquired by the age where one is prepared to start + finish the long journey of making a game (economically, mentally, etc).

>>14069583

No, although i am quite surprised at how long Gamemaker has survived. I remember using that shit around 2003. Gamemaker, RPG maker and modding morrowind were pretty much how i spend my freetime in middleschool.

>>14069716

It's had like ten major editions by now. From Animo, up to Game Maker 8, then Studio and now Studio 2. I've only used as old as 6, but a lot of features from then still carry over to the new ones.

With the newer ones, it's easy enough for soyboy hipsters to make their interactive experiences, and competent enough to be a tolerable 2D engine. That's why it's popular. It's the go-to for babby's first engine and for some, they don't need much more than what it offers.

>>14069231

>>14069341

Darn, if I knew someone would want to immortalize this I would have put more effort into it. I was just ranting out of boredom.

>>14069439

>Looks like it's time to quote Linus Torvalds again.

Because the inventor of Linux and Git is an authority on software development. He's a raging narcissist.

>>14069562

You're right about Lisp and Haskell being good at teaching programming concepts. I tried to touch upon that in my post by claiming that I still like parts of them. I like Lisp's tree based syntax. I'm a fan of static typing and immutability which I try to work into any software I make. C++ and PHP are bloated languages, that's true. Most software is bloated. Most software is a bug ridden mess. There's definitely a lot of room to improve on both of them. I use them because they're the least awful out of all the choices. They're not idealist languages, they're kitchen sinks. They're languages with big communities, library support, and are the most practical for their domains.

>>14069980

when I say half I mean 95% minus lua

>>14060660

I will make a video game engine.

>>14069769

>That's why it's popular. It's the go-to for babby's first engine and for some, they don't need much more than what it offers.

True, it's an opener for a lot of people who might have turned away otherwise. While it does invite a lot of babbys, hipsters and morons, it also can intice talented people and good future devs into deving more easily due to accessibility and low learning curve. Who knows, i might not have gotten here if not for RPG maker. Everything has its pros and cons i guess.

>>14070074

>Open office

Why not LibreOffice?

>>14069980

Orthodox C++ is acceptable.

>>14069875

If you like Rob Pike, you might be interested in this: http://herpolhode.com/rob/utah2000.pdf

It's sad to consider that the world's primary OS is a Unix clone.

I don't follow celeb programmers so I can't say who an authority is. I do know however that I don't believe in Torvalds. He rages like a mad ape and the software he's made is not a pinnacle of good design. His claim to fame is being endorsed by (((Stallman))).

>>14070087

I'm just worried about getting fucked over by something stupid, like the fact the map library groups it's keys and values together so it rapes cache.

>>14070088

Torvalds seems like one of those guys that gets all the credit for the work of others, while doing little himself in comparison.

>>14070182

>Copyleft is not free. Don't be fooled.

t. bsdfag that enjoys getting cucked by corrupt corporations using his code in closed source botnetware

>>14069980

>>14070096

As long as you don't use the cancerous features then really it's probably fine code. Also if you don't like the way part of the library works, why don't you write your own version?

It also should be simple enough to write everything with char pointers, although kind of tedious. How much code do you have? You can really probably do it one function at a time. Although, it really doesn't make sense to rewrite in C if C++ is working fine for you.

>>14070074

The only software I use is my C compiler :^)

>>14070104

>>14070182

He did a lot more early on. Nowadays his main role is policing pull requests and shitting on retards, which upsets SJWs and overly sensitive babies like Lennart Poettering.

>>14070074

don't forget awesome bump, Stallman-senpai

>>14069820

>Because the inventor of Linux and Git is an authority on software development.

I don't know enough about operating systems to evaluate Linux, but Git is excellent version control software. The only other on its level is Perforce, and that's because they're a commercial product with a decade head start. Hg is floundering, and all centralized version control is criminally bad.

>>14070088

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with this. It appears Pike's impression of Linux was that it would be a flash in the pan that no one would ever touch. I think he underestimated the desire for a modernized clone of Unix; even so, just because it does something "conventional" doesn't mean it's necessarily bad, and Pike does nothing to prove such an assumption.

>>14070463

>note: 'void Init()' previously defined here

>file /home/cristian/Do…

>line 14

Maybe expand the file column so you can see what file and line that is, doofus.

>>14070198

Why not just make a new online identity?

>>14070242

>OOP Programming

>Cancerous

Pick one

>>14070263

>yfw you will live long enough to see Linus die and someone out there who will replace him will then commit a CoC into the linux project

>>14070781

Did you know that in C++, if you inherit a class, then you can reference variables defined in that class? Thus, you can write code where you reference variables that are not defined anywhere in the file that you used them. So, when I'm reading your code, I can come across variables that aren't even defined anywhere in the file?

Beyond that issue, it's just another system that is designed to stop you from freely using data. It's OK to associate functions with structs- but with OOP this is done in the wrong order. In C, for example, I can decide that I have a problem, and that the solution is to make some functions associated with my struct. In C++, I have a solution, OOP, and I have to invent some problems for it to solve. OOP should be an emergent behavior from structured programming, not your starting point.

I am still trying to free myself from structured programming, this is why I have adopted goto's into my programming style. It's been going well for me since I have stopped using structured programming ideas in places where it isn't needed.

>>14070900

Did you know that in C++, if you use a using preprocessor directive, then you can reference classes and types defined in that namespace? Thus, you can write code where you reference classes and types that are not defined anywhere in the file that you used them.

>>14071203

no but the fact that there are multiple ways to do it makes it even more cancerous

>>14070913

added here:

http://8agdg.wikidot.com/graphics

wonder when scribd will delete it if at all

>>14070825

That and relicense the Linux kernel under GPL 3.

someone make a futuristic desert open world driving game

>>14071652

I recognize that Kashiwa Daisuke when I hear it…

>>14067811

WAIT A FUCKING SECOND I RECOGNIZE THAT ARTSTYLE

YOU'RE THE NOT WIZARDS FAGGOT

>>14072045

Try VioletUML. It's more for programming, but you should be able to make decent flow diagrams with it.

>>14072158

r/gamedev is good if you're just looking for casual advice threads or perusing around. Also good if you're wanting to keep an eye out for people posting free to use assets (particularly sound or music).

But yeah, as for all the other subreddits I never visited them and I'd assume they're a complete waste of time.

>>14072022

Ehhh, I'm not so sure.

>>14069439

Boost is everything that is wrong with C++ developers taken to a polished, professional level.

>>14068688

When people give you advice usually what they are actually doing is telling you a small story about their life. You have to understand that their experiences are the most important and meaningful things in the entire world, from their perspective. Most people are only vaguely aware that other people exist. Almost no one recognizes that other people have different frames of reference and experiences. They are so wrapped up in themselves. So when someone gives you advice, maybe consider just nodding your head amiably and gracefully bowing out of their self-aggrandizing monologue when it becomes too tiresome for you.

I've had a very few people give me what I would consider valuable advice. They didn't start off by giving me advice. They started by asking me about my situation and what I wanted to achieve, and what I thought about why I wasn't having success. It's pretty obvious when you are about to receive shitty advice or good advice if you know what to look for.

Of course, there are also people that are self-aware and aware of others, but have entirely unrealistic worlviews. These people will hand out advice that is based on how their fantasy-world works (how they think the real world works, but doesn't, because they are deluding and lying to themselves). This is of course always bad advice, but amusing, and a window into their thought process and experiences.

>>14060660

I want to finish GMOTA. That's gonna be a hell of an undertaking though.

i want tetradev to finish his game because it looks great and people would play it regardless of nier automoto (which i'm a huge sucker for)

>>14072595

Its not bait though. OOP rapes performance because it doesn't work well with cpu cache (goes for double if you include inheritance), and it is very easily abused (especially when people try to force it where it doesn't belong).

>>14070074

>Godot

I wanted to get into it on the side, but sadly it won't even start up anymore for me. Version 2.14

I even ran the prior versions and they do the same thing now.

I looked into it and it seems it's my old laptop's graphics card. Intel HD 3000

But I have no idea what happened since it would start up normally before but today out of nowhere it gets stuck on a white screen when you open it.

>>14073073

read >>14070781 again, it's saying that OOP is not cancer. Then, >>14072595 says that it's baiting to say that OOP is not cancer. He's agreeing with you.

>>14072022

It's just rough flash drawings. Not really a unique artstyle you can identify people with.

>>14073096

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-3000.37948.0.html

It looks like you have a pretty fast graphics card, it even has OpenGL 3!

>>14073148

I re-installed the drivers, which after a restart for a brief moment had a positive effect and took care of the blank, white screen but after closing and starting godot again it just went back to it.

Trying godot on an older laptop made it run without an issue.

I checked their forums and all threads with similar if not the same issue either never got resolved, are locked or have no answers at all.

I mean it got to be my card, but I'm too retarded to figure out where to even start.

>>14070074

Isn't ModPlug Tracker better than Milky Tracker?

At least, the UI is anyway.

>>14073175

try downloading the code, put in some "canaries" into it while it starts up, like calls to messageboxA in certain spots, to see how far you get, then you can narrow down what part of the code is having the issue pretty quickly. Probably something stupid that the developer didnt see since it works on their machine fine.

>>14073245

Anyone ever try SunVox?

It looked really interesting.

I think it's open source, it's made by slavs

>>14073252

Either that or make another thread in their forums.

I want to make a brawler that is just a metric fuckload of everything crammed together…

Characters from movies, TV shows, games, memes, etc.

Arenas from FPS, isometric, platformer, top-down, racing, etc.

Just a literal "final game" kind of thing.

Would obviously have to use sprites because fuck doing 3D models for it.

And as much music and sfx as possible from other things.

How the heck would you go about doing this, with things such as ISDN blocking your path?

Do you just release the game and call it "Copyright Infringement - The Game" and host it on a torrent site?

The opportunities would be endless if using other peps stuff didn't matter.

>>14071892

Art textbooks and paid tutorials like those can be pirated at cgpeers, anon. As well as art programs and tools.

>>14071174

>Because that won't work if your old online identity is somehow tied to your real name

Just don't tie your new identity to your irl one publicly. The only people who have to know your actual name is the government if you register yourself as a one-man-company for tax reasons if you sell your game. But the real answer is to just not give a shit. Tim Schafer is an asswipe with tons of dirt on him all over, yet he just pretends it isn't there and has no trouble scamming more people whenever he feels like it.

>>14073371

>>14073711

I'd just rather err on the side of caution. Besides that, it has actually been quite fun. Seeing those old forums brought back some nice memories. Back then I was just happily playing videogames. Stuff was simple and there were no SJWs, games journalists, etc. hating my hobby and my guts for no god damn reason.

>>14070056

post ur shit

>>14074039

Pretty sure the project he's talking about is http://8agdg.wikidot.com/manlet-simulator and the fanart is http://terminusest13.tumblr.com/post/169124139676/capncjr-greenlegacy-the-chronicles-of

>>14074112

literally linear algebra fampai.

>>14074119

they don't teach these things here in hueland

I've tried this

float angle = Mathf.Atan2(cur.y - prev.y, cur.x - prev.x) - Mathf.Atan2(nxt.y - prev.y, nxt.x - prev.x);

but I am not sure what to do with the result

If it's between [-Pi, Pi] then it's pointing inside?

I've been living my life trusting that stack overflow would solve all of my algebra problems, and so far it came pretty damn close of solving at least 80% of them

>>14074148

https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6128114/MIT.Linear.Algebra.Lectures

there you go fampai huehue.

>>14074112

What do you want to achieve?

Do you have a polygon with given arrows and what to know if they point inside or outside?

Or do you have a polygon and want to make the arrows point outside if the corner is concave and inside if the corner is convex?

>>14074552

I didn't understand most of what you wrote, but it seems that

bool isConcave = Vector3.Dot(prev - cur, cur - nxt) > 0;

>>14074148

>they don't teach these things here in hueland

Seconding this, they really don't.

>>14060687

Nigger, your RPGmaker game is good and all but why can't I use the Restorative Tissue out of combat?

>>14074575

If you don't get why it works I recommend you read this simple explanation until it clicks https://www.mathsisfun.com/algebra/vectors-dot-product.html

>>14074552

That link and Graphics Programming Black Book were my go to when doing my BSP trees. Shame I moved to portals instead and only really use the tree for determining what sector something is in right now.

>>14074806

Your header guard isn't complete.

>>14074758

> https://www.mathsisfun.com/algebra/vectors-dot-product.html

that helped me notice that the dot product can't help me.

I am trying to figure out convex polygons, so I don't care if a angle is > 90 or < 90. I care about if the angle is > 180 or < 180.

So back to the start

Back to the first problem at >>14074112 , if those lines crosses with odd lines then it's pointing inside, if it crosses even lines then it's pointing outside?

>>14074864

stop thinking about angles, this is trigonometry thinking and it will only limit you. The way you prove that the polygon is complex is that every side of the polygon is in front of every other side. You can use the normals to the lines to prove this (since it looks like 2d), this gives you the line that the line segment lies on, you can then test your line segments against the line to prove that it is in front of the line or not. Once you realize that the question about convex hulls is not about angles, but about linear algebra, you will start to understand what i'm talking about

>>14060988

>better off creating your own wheel than understanding how it's currently made

>>14072163

not him, but i tried using it and is so fucking slow. is there anything one can do to make it faster or do i keep using blender?

>>14074743

We just released 1.1, it fixes that at the expense of items being usable by all party members now. The issue is that for whatever reason, using items in the overworld is done via the 1st party member: the head, and item use was restricted to the arms for mechanical reasons. Putting the arms in front of the head could cause additional issues and healing items still wouldn't work in the overworld if both arms were dead.

Shit like this is one of many reasons why Die Totenmaske 2.0 won't be using RPG Maker.

>>14075233

So it's just a bunch of doom mods?

>>14074181

>Do people ever sue anyone because of software patents

Yes.

>Enfish LLC v. Microsoft (2016, USA)

>McRO v. Bandai Namco Games America (2016, USA)

>TecSec, Inc. v. Adobe Systems (2015, USA)

>Intellectual Ventures v. Google (2014, USA)

>Uniloc v. Red Hat and Rackspace (2013, USA)

>Alice v. CLS Bank (2012, USA)

>Nokia v. HTC (2012, Germany)

>Motorola Mobility v. Apple (2011, Germany)

>S3 Graphics v. Apple (2011, USA)

>Bedrock v. Google (2011, USA)

>FlightPrep v. RunwayFinder and others (2010, USA)

>Gemalto v. phone manufacturers (2010, USA)

>Motorola v. Apple (2010, USA)

>Microsoft v. Motorola (2010, USA)

>Interval Licensing v. 11 big companies (2010, USA)

>Microsoft v. Salesforce (2010, USA)

>Oracle v. Google (2010, USA)

>Acacia v. Red Hat and Novell (2010, USA)

>Apple v. HTC (2010, USA)

>Nokia v. Apple (2010, USA)‎

And those are just the notable lawsuits.

>>14075677

Can you create deadly diamonds in Unity? Not sure if Unity allows those. Having two parents is generally frowned upon these days, because it's easier to depend on the powers that be for all your needs.

Maybe it'll make your thing update twice on the first go around if it works.

In any case, when you initialize the object independently of a parent, maybe try reading out the relevant values before and after the first render. Maybe there's some stupid call you need to make thanks to shoddy API design.

>>14075739

The solution for that is simple, you just need to works on my machine :^)

>>14075739

This likely won't help, but my old PC used to do that on a number of games (not just Unity), including working fine on menus but not with free camera. Alt-tabbing then alt-tabbing back would fix it. Give shit like that a try; might get lucky.

half to midnight over here. happy new dev year, all.

>>14076256

>Code::Blocks

Now that's an IDE I haven't used in a long while.

You're using SDL's own drawing API and not OpenGL, aren't you?

>>14076306

yeah, trying to learn SDL for 2D shit then maybe learn Opengl2 for 3D shit.

>>14076382

To release something worthwhile on every demo day this year.

>>14076382

This basically >>14076391

>>14076043

>I don't plan on creating new points on my polygon. What do I do if there is just one single point on one of the sides? Take the two adjacent ones and make a triangle?

The method Sigmadev was talking about relies on you splitting the planes by adding points so you end up breaking up a concave polygon into smaller convex polygons. If you don't want to add any points you probably want to look for a different triangulation method but keep in mind those will rely on the specifics of the polygons you're going to be using, like if they're simple polygons or have holes.

>>14076382

Mine's to cut down on scope creep and get something, even if it's bare bones, done.

>>14076607

Yes, I was under the assumption that the statlist is stored in memory and doesn't need to be read from a file constantly, so I dicked around for hours trying to return anything from statlist but to no avail. This took me on a wild goose chase through more than 6 different classes, to figure out how they were pulled from statlist to be displayed in that page. Lead me to what I think is a dead end, because it creates 2 new hashmaps with generic function names from a single hashmap and calls the statfilewriter class.

>>14076486

what's the song in that commercial, it's not as bad as I thought. Minus the fishheads.

>>14076759

It's Especia「きらめきシーサイド」鳥取砂丘で踊ってみた

For some reason they put "feat Especia" in yt title for this ad. Pretty unusal thing to do but otherwise I'd never find it..

>>14076382

To form a dev team, to participate in a bunch of game jams and to get fit.

I know I'll probably only be able to do 1&2 or 2&3 but I'll try my best damn it

>>14076876

Thanks bud, but since it's a webm and I don't know moon runes I'd never know that you cheeky fuck.

>>14076382

To get enough stuff done for a kickstarter campaign. I honestly think this might finally be the year.

Happy current year+3, y'all.

>>14076878

What kind of games do you want to make with your hypothetical team?

>>14076043

You are supposed to split the line into two lines so that it can be added to both front and back lists. You simply have to split lines or it is impossible to create a convex shape. Also for a shape to be convex every line in that shape has to be in front of every other line. Not just the splitter.

>>14076661

The code is run through an obfuscator. You don't have the original code

>>14076904

I don't know moonroons either, but here's my secret: I tried searching words I could read and write like "cocolo bland" that appears at the end of webm

>>14076922

How far have you made it with your game, so far? Sounds like you're doing it for a while now.

>>14076997

In terms of actual progress? Not very. I came up with the story and first concepts around 2015 but didn't get to the realization due to failed collaborations and becoming too busy due to class. Since late 2017 I've essentially concretized the whole game and just been waiting to get the time for it.

On the upside, I get to choose my graduation project and a friend of mine also got started on coding the logic, which is coming along nicely. I feel like I should have a solid demo around summer at least.

>>14076962

>You don't have the original code

I have a feeling it wouldn't be much more helpful if I did, honestly.

>>14077163

>Demo for summer

nigger, no, reevaluate life. that is too much time for a demo, I started two weeks ago and we are already polishing for demo day

>>14077386

I don't mean a basic bitch demo, I mean one that's presentable and has content. One you could use for a kickstarter pitch. Besides, I don't graduate until summer and got other stuff running on the side.

>>14076607

How do you handle say, achievements, quests, objective tracking, for example? I can't imagine it being efficient to have a listener attached to your state and poll the whole fucking thing every update

>>14076382

DEMO DAY IS FEBRUARY 2ND

THAT ISNT TWO MONTHS OR THREE MONTHS AWAY. TOMORROW IS JANUARY 1ST AND YOU'LL HAVE BASICALLY 30 MORE DAYS TO FINISH IT. YOU HAVE ONE MONTH ONLY

>>14077663

As far as I've been able to discern with vanilla code, when a player entity is created it tracks a bunch of useless shit like how many times the player jumped, how far they've gone, etc, usually tied into the on_update_living method so it's called frequently and for each time it sends an update to the statbase for stat.jumps, stat.distance, etc. It's really easy to send the stat updates because it just increments what's there, but retrieving the stat is a fucking mystery.

Stats should be stored in the public StatList array, but when trying to access it like for say "deathStat" to count how many times the player died, ends up only returning the string associated with it, so accessing StatList.allStats.get(Integer.valueOf(2022) or get(StatList.deathstat) only returns 'Times player died' or some shit

>>14077858

If it's a string, it's probably used as a key in another dictionary somewhere else.

(With C# and Java, every object has a GetHashCode() function, which just returns a raw int, for sorting object instances into hash buckets, so even a string object as a key in a Dictionary isn't a bad idea because under the hood its really an int value)

Happy New Years, everyone.

It's still New Years somewhere, damn it, I'm NOT late.

>>14078486

I don't have anything specifically UE4 other than the official docs.

https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/Gameplay/Networking/

I do however have this set of other networking articles which, while it's not UE4, should be helpful.

https://gafferongames.com/post/introduction_to_networked_physics/

https://gafferongames.com/post/deterministic_lockstep/

https://gafferongames.com/post/snapshot_interpolation/

https://gafferongames.com/post/snapshot_compression/

https://gafferongames.com/post/state_synchronization/

A G D G - Adult Growth Dork Genetics.

A G H D - Adult Growth Hormone Deficiency

>>14076317

>Opengl2

Why? Are you trying to make your games run on really old hardware, or are you one of the toasterdevs?

>>14076317

>>14079191

Why not OpenGL 1?

>>14079405

Is this supposed to be like PICO-8 but not a meme?

>>14081346

Considering he doesn't care enough to even finish making the fucking thing, I doubt he'd care enough to sue, especially if you don't use any assets that he made directly and are just "inspired" by it.

>>14081446

Interesting, I didn't know that.

>>14081433

Thanks though, then I'll continue.

What's a good networking framework? Ideally, C#, and ideally I can get it as a precompiled .dll and just drop it into a folder

>>14082127

why not:

typedef struct tile_s{
    ...
    uint8_t type;
    void *data;
}tile_t;

typedef struct portal_tile_s{
    uint16_t target_x,target_y;
    float recharge_time;
    ...
}portal_tile_t;

typedef struct{
    union{
        portal_tile_t portal_tile;
        stupid_tile_t stupid_tile;
    };
    enum {
        PORTAL_TILE,
        STUPID_TILE,
    }type;
    ...
}tile_t;

>>14080052

Yeah– less hipster bullshit anyways. It's one of the many clones being called "fantasy consoles" spawned from PICO-8, but it has a lot less of the utter bullshit restrictions, as well as being FOSS. You can modify the default palette, there's no limit to how much code you can write, and the editor runs natively on android, so you can aggydaggy on your dedicated NSA tracking device. It gives me something to do other than shitpost on 8ch when not at my computer

The dev is a pretty cool guy too, he took the time to show me how to use multiple sprite sheets in a single game, which is absolutely fucking necessary if you don't want to use meme-tier 8^2 tiles.

<get back into development

<if the node didn't exist during creation, it's not owned

fuggen godot

I want to create an interactive graphical desktop as a dosbox emulator. Should I use godot, or the barebones C open gl engine I've been working on?

>>14073055

The fact that both of those names sound like Ubuntu release codenames makes that pic that much fucking better.

>>14083377

maybe you should Re implement your life

>>14083462

why not the barebones engine, I mean its not even anything aside from like one room with a computer in it

>>14083475

Yeah, but I want to use gravity so I can play around with floppy disks and shit.

>>14083479

write a physics engine or use bullet , I dunno maybe godot is better if the engine side of things is just a means to an end

>>14082807

Are you making an Ultima clone?

NEW THREAD

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