/v/ - Video Games

The kids of the day like to eat the shit of yesteryear and pretend that they like it.

The reboot is just absolute horseshit. I tried my best to look past the flaws and enjoy it for what it was, but it's mediocre at best and really shitty at worst. Don't waste your time OP, trust me.

>>14029676

>They added hits markers that let you see where your going through walls just so you know what the fuck to do.

I was playing and I thought it was weird they did that, I thought it was just the original devs making it easier not the remake trying to "fix" problems. I will admit though the first level took way longer than I thought it would.

Turok 2 Good changes

>more gore

>I wanna fuck the alien girl

>shotgun is way better than the first game.

Bad changes

<turok is slower

<Tek arrows no longer detonate on impact

<arrow in general feels way worse.

All I can think of now anyway.

>>14029723

I wanna play as that guy with the green helmet. fucking vietnam/WW2 turok would be pretty cool.

So why do so many people hate the music of the PC version of Turok 2? The EX version even has the N64 music as the default setting. At release I only had the PC version and in my opinion the N64 versions sound worse. They are only midi tracks with mediocre instrument samples.

>>14029723

the xbox game was pretty decent. i enjoyed the dinosaur butchering.

>>14029873

I dont know about that but I think turok 1 music is better. Admittedly I am quite biased towards whatever the fuck instrument is making the BOING sound.

>>14029841

I thought the reboot was alright, and I guess I played it without this seeing through wall shit. I remember relying on the in-game map a lot for directions, though. Was there an option for disabling it?

>arrow in general feels way worse

I think they're even better, they go exactly where you're aiming and they're a guaranteed one hit kill on headshot in pretty much ANYTHING that is not a boss, which carried my ass in the alien mothership against those big ass brown fuckers.

My only problem was that the Shredder was still a broken piece of shit. If you used it with explosive ammo, you basically killed anything in one shot and also anything even remotely CLOSE to the vicinity due to the infinite bouncing that shit has. I swear, those shots must be programmed to ricochet into nearby enemies after a couple of bounces.

>>14029676

Also

>Someone actually remade wolfenstein in turok

>Also threw in DOOM enemies because why not.

I love video games.

>>14029929

I would love to but I dont have an N64, Haven't seen it since I was 7. Nobody knows what happened to it.

>>14029898

I love the drums and bass in the original Turok, but they're only like two or 3 tracks in the game. Turok 2 has a bunch of really slick atmospheric tunes.

>>14029676

>The remaster devs even said they simplified one of the most confusing levels (They're going to put up the OG version when the level editor is done.)

Really, which one?

Turok 2 is the only game I ever bought the strategy guide for; I doubt I'd have finished it if I didn't.

>>14029945

>Nobody knows what happened to it.

Spooky

>>14030094

Lair of the blind ones.

>>14030181

That one actually isn't that bad, most of it is a pretty straightforward drop downwards. I tend to get lost more often in the hive of the mantids, and the final part of river of souls can be a bit frustrating.

I recently played through it, too, and it wasn't quite as good as I was expecting. The later weapons were cool, but they didn't feel like they were appropriately powerful, aside from the chronoscepter. The respawning enemies were annoying. The level design felt really lacking and barely did anything interesting with enemy placement. It's a fine game, but not as good as I've seen a lot of people make it out to be.

>>14030347

>braindead respawning enemies

What kind of criticism is this? Why does an enemy need to be smart?

>>14030360

But I still would like to hear an actual argument. Why does an enemy need to be smart?

>>14030354

>>14030386

They don't need to be really smart for this type of game, but when coupled with tedious level design, it makes the game feel even more annoying.

>>14029601

When's the HD remaster gonna come out for Xbox One?

>>14030463

I do!

>>14030454

It's telling that you would use a charlatan like Stefan Molyneux to prop up your own poor thought process. I can see why you might think making a claim with no explanation or evidence constitutes an argument.

>Because smart enemies actually provide a challenge as opposed to retarded enemies who run straight into your gunfire, how is this a fucking hard concept to understand you stu[id nigger?

Ah, but I already knocked down this idea in a previous post. Gradius III is one of the most difficult games ever made and its enemies are dumb as bricks. Thankfully, they're reliably dumb as bricks (minus a couple bosses), so the place knows what to expect and can grow and through skill overcome them. That's called game design. When you make every enemy as smart as a human being, every battle a psychological war, you remove predictability and, ultimately, skill from the equation. More importantly, when you take out sets of predictable behaviors from your enemies, you remove a feature that helps to differentiate them and make them unique, and do a disservice to level design possibilities through enemy placement.

FPSs don't have a huge amount of variety when it comes to attack types, most threats come in the form of fast-moving, aimed attacks. If you homogenize enemy behavior by making them all hyper intelligent you're removing a very important aspect of enemy variety.

>>14030511

so the player* knows what to expect

>>14030386

>all these muh challenge fags

You forgot the real purpose of intelligent AI, which is fun. It's fun to see NPC's reacting to what you do.

>>14030557

The Turok games definitely have some entertaining AI at times. Novel when you first see an enemy running away from a following cerebral bore anyway.

>>14030491

I like the ease of use that it has.

I like the controller. Best controller out there BTW.

I like the fact that it's backwards compatible with both Xbox 360 and original Xbox games.

I like the fact that most everything the PS4 gets, it also gets.

I like that it can play CDs.

>>14030588

You need to be 18 to post here.

Wow, leave it to the pseudo intellectual youtube game design essay faggots to fuck up a Turok thread. Why can't you just shoot things because it's fun?

>>14030511

>>14030632

both of you go suck each off in some other alley, your sissy slapfight has nothing to do with turok

shame to hear the remake changed things around so much, all turok really needed was to not strain against the technical limitations quite so badly as it did at the time. i could never get past the view distance issue on console.

>>14029945

>>14030122

>Nobody knows what happened to it.

That's code for your mom threw it out because she was trying to clean house and doesn't want to admit she fucked up.

>>14030454

>>14030389

>I'm just going to smugly claim you are a liar

You do realize there is no point in arguing with someone if you accuse them of lying? Why would you debate something in bad faith with someone you don't trust? You have missed the entire point of this imageboard.

>>14029723

>2 weapon rule

That reminds me of how double dumb HL2 was going to be before that all got tossed. What it ended up may not be the best timeline but it sure as shit could have been a real head shaker.

turok 2 on the n64 was the first fps i played, and i've replayed it several times since. when i first played it tho i used cheats to beat the last part of the lair of the blind ones and the rest of the game. didn't actually beat it without cheats til years later. man that game brings back good memories.

and the music! the soundtrack for turok2 fit perfectly.

turok 3: something of oblivion was also a blast, man i had so much fun with both of those games. haven't played the third one in years but i have the pc port of the 2 installed atm. imma boot up turok 2 on my pc and play some more of it.

anyone know what the playerbase is like for the turok 2 remastered multiplayer? i only own the original pc port, but i'm considering buying the remastered. altho based on the comments ITT i'll prolly skip it and stick with the original. don't wanna drop money just to be disappointed when i have the og.

or we could get a turok2 MP going from /v/.

Turok 2 has more features and way more polish, but somehow it just doesn't have quite the same charm as the first one. It doesn't really help that the level design strays from complex to obtuse in a few too many places.

I ended up finding myself really bored with Turok 1 and 2's new ports. I got to the last stage of turok 1 and just said fuck it, noclipped to the campaigner and beat the game. turok 2 I got bored and never finished with it, I think I completed 3 or 4 stages, got to that one spaceship looking stage and dropped it.

the games just don't hold up. shooters just aren't that good.

>>14034230

Back to your JRPGs fag

>>14034173

You can fight both of them though: they don't have to be mutually exclusive.

>>14034306

but nazis as enemies is the ultimate sign of lazy writers

>>14034281

I'll stick to good shooters mister (1)

>>14034426

>writers

>>14034173

Its a mod, some mad man actually slammed wolfenstein and DOOM together in turok 1.

>>14029898

Drums remind me of this

>>14029898

sounds like Sephiroth

>>14034426

they need to make a game about infiltrating Khmer Rouge.

>>14030486

I think so. but let the tard enjoy his games.

>>14029929

lel consolefag

I can understand liking Turok like we did when we didn't have Quake 2 yet, but a teen pretending to love it nowadays is simply stupid. 4chan refugees really bring this place down.

>>14038522

I didn't even play Turok 1 as a kid. The game's just fun. It's endearingly stupid.

The real problem with Turok 2 has always been the slowdown. I don't know why noone in here isn't bitching about that.

>>14039501

It's not as bad as other N64 games like Goldeneye.

>>14038522

Quake 2 sucks ass you nigger.

>>14039501

playing the pc port (dono about the remastered, but the original pc port) has 0 slowdown, even on potatoes.

>>14038522

>Everything I don't like is 4chan/reddit.

There he goes again.

>>14039501

The people praising Turok 2's N64 version never owned a copy, the first pc port is far more playable.

>>14039882

>>14040222

I do think the N64 version has a far superior soundtrack though.

>>14040414

Soundtrack?

>>14034479

>>14038522

>>>/suicide/

>>14040421

yeah, turok 2 on the pc sounded like ass. It's why the entire n64 game was reverse engineered instead of the original PC port being used as a base. If you think the PC port was better than the N64 version, you're a retard.

>>14041127

you first faggot

>>14029601

I was going to get these but I heard they made them easier than the original versions and I liked them just how they were.

>>14041168

preferring the n64 soundtrack to that of the pc port doesn't mean that the pc port as a whole is less than the n64. in every other way, the pc port is better, not least because it has no fps drops, like the n64 version had. plus the controls of a pc when playing an fps are infinitely better than a controller, always.

tl;dr kys faggot

>>14041251

turok 2 only becomes fetchy if you rush through levels without bothering to look for shit, or if you have the memory of a turkey. if your brain's memory capacity is that of an actual human, it's not hard to remember the basic layout of a level to go back for the feathers and shit you need to get. it takes almost no time at all.

>>14042693

>not least because it has no fps drops

>hi i played the 1999 port of a 1998 game in 2013 what does everyone hate about it? it ran fine to me!

take your own advice and end your life you stupid nigger.

>>14041251

fuckhuge levels with really boring enemy encounters and very samey layouts made any returns to these levels a fucking drag. turok 1 is OK but I also found a lot of the level design to lack creativity. The platforming meme isn't that it's hard or anything, it's a little awkward sure but you figure out how to gauge your distance in the challenge on level 3, but every time it repeats it is just a fucking waste of my time.

>>14042856

i wasn't comparing the turok2 pc port to modern games, i was comparing it to the n64 version. multiple folks in this thread criticized it for the fps drop and i mentioned that this was irrelevent if you use the pc port. is it really that difficult to understand or are you just that fucking stupid?

>>14044783

I had the expansion pak. The sad thing is you still had to turn the graphics setting down to make Turok 2 playable.

>>14044783

I love the lack of fog for that level in the port even then you can still get lost at some key points. Best song of the whole game though but man that's a fucking huge level, you'll be hearing this long enough for it too loop all the way through once.

>>14046803

>Oh wait, you literally did not

>you played 95% of the game and skipped to the end!

>you literally never played it!

I also played it a lot on the n64 and remember the turok 2 big cheat, bewareoblivionisathand. Didn't hold up from my childhood, just kind of a shit game overall. I dunno why you're defending vacant levels, levels with repetitive and boring design, meek enemy encounters and

>>14046862

technically sound (for the most part, turok 2 had some weird performance issues but they may have been patched), but the games just aren't very good. imo play a good game instead

>>14046894

o no i forgot the end of my retort, well just make it up for yourself turok fans are pretty much just serious sam fans anyway

>>14046974

>he lets the enemies catch up to him

>he literally doesn't know about running diagonally doubling your speed

>he's defending the hallway simulators of levels 7, 5, and 3

>he thinks literally the same jungle scenario is "native american" and is what is being talked about when it comes to design

wew laddie

>liking serious same

this is why the first person genre sucks, the developers can just cater to retards for eternity and they'll still defend it and suck its cock

>>14046974

I love Serious Sam, but he's pretty on point with the first Turok. As someone who first played through it, recently, it's just not that good. It never really does anything interesting with the level design. It just throws some enemies at you every so often. It's not like Doom, which uses interesting combinations of enemies and terrain to create unique, interesting encounters. Turok's encounters are just bland, the platforming ranges from basic to tedious, and its way too samey with the level environments until the last two levels. The last point isn't helped by the bland art direction for most of the scenery. The collectathon aspect barely exists; rather than a sandbox to explore or a set of objectives to complete, there's just a few branches off the linear levels you need to go down in order to get level keys. Respawning enemies are no threat and are just annoying. The bosses aren't very interesting, either. They just chase you down while you shoot at them. The only one that works differently is the final boss.

>>14047006

I kinda like the bosses for being as aggressive as they are, but yeah it's pretty much just dodge-strafe and spam bullets at them. The turok games are pretty damn sloppy but I'd like to see turok 3 at least remastered because it's pretty solidly designed but runs at single digit framerates on the n64. turok 3 is pretty much the answer to the levels are huge & suck and there's no interesting enemy encounters.

>>14047006

>Respawning enemies are no threat and are just annoying.

You didn't play on the hardest difficulty immediately did you?

>>14047317

no they aren't a threat, none of the enemies are

>>14047350

>no they aren't a threat, none of the enemies are

Confirmed for being a massive pussy, I suspected you didn't actually play the N64 version in full you didn't mention any other cheats and you kept emphasizing the fucking FPS as if that even mattered when you were a kid on the N64. I certainly did give a shit and FPS wasn't even a concept yet. The funner cheats was stuff like bighead mode or making everything scan lines with disco activated to see a raptor do a little dance and get down tonight.

The higher difficulties in Turok 1 increases the speed of the game and yes this is noticeable even on an N64 because of all the fucking fog to maximize the FPS to as much as possible you couldn't even see the fucking levels as well as you can and you'd get lost in a small circular room on a regular basis. It decreases pickup drops, max health you could possibly obtain, increased enemy damage and health. It is in fact so hard on the highest difficulty that maximum fog on the port is the only way to play it properly.

They actually dropped the speed up on every difficulty increase for the second game port because of this.

>>14029682

That's some pretty smooth movement. "Dinosaur Hunter engine" is a modified version of which commercial 3D engine? It looks like id Tech 1, but i'm not entirely certain.

>>14047554

Kex Engine, it's a reverse engineered Doom 64 engine by a Doom modder who got picked up by the team.

>>14047587

Yeah it's basically a form of Zdoom, if you get the game off steam or GOG (not sure with Turok 2) it comes with it's own editor although missing some features there is an autist on the steam forums whom more or less figured everything out so you could straight up reskin everything although changing animations is the most tedious part.

>>14032480

Half-life was gonna have a 2 weapon limit? that sounds retarded.

>>14038522

> but a teen pretending to love it nowadays is simply stupid.

What makes you think i am pretending? I like the game, its really fun.