/v/ - Video Games

Dubs happened tbh

>>13824457

Competition happened. Whenever americans can't hold the market at gunpoint thanks to monopoly or copyright, they eventually lose to someone who's less shit at their job.

nu-valve is incapable of doing anything remotely competent. They are not a game dev anymore but a company that will milk any game to its death. Case in point TF2, and now Dota.

7.00 happened

icefrog is pig

sage

750,000 people isn't good enough for you?

>>13824505

I didn't expect it to stagnate at 1 million 3 years after release.

>>13824498

This, 7.00 and Reborn happened, ruined the fucking game. Also Icefraud keeps pandering to his beloved Chinese playerbase.

RIP Skeleton King

Valve has been steadily driving Dota into the fucking ground for years now. It was little things here and there, small casualizations and reddit-tier additions to the game. Then they just gave up all pretenses and put out 7.00 aka the patch which turned the game into League and it's been in freefall since.

>non-stop shilling for their compendium shit

>bombarded by ESPORTS!!!! even if you don't care

>item reward revamped multiple times to the point where LoL feels more rewarding

>stagnant custom mode, plagued by russians and kids

>russian infestation

>bad decisions everywhere that added up over the years

>(((steam market)))

>UI got worse over time (how can you fuck that up?)

>bots everywhere

>report system worse than LoL

>cancerous MMR fanatics

What happened? It's no longer fun. There's still a fuckload of players but it doesn't matter, a game as supposedly big as dota should have way more than it currently has. Fucking league of legends probably has more players.

7.00 was the first full 'Valve patch' as they began to shift control of changes and balancing over from Mr. Ismail IceFrog.

Unfortunately they have no fucking clue what they're doing and have been pulling in features from competing MOBAs such as talents from HotS and LoL's matchmaking ranking system.

The playerbase has been in a nosedive ever since, with the exception of some Russians, South Americans, and a few other thirdies everyone is just losing interest.

Its an assfaggots game

Also LoL was declining too wasnt it?

>>13824593

I

NEED

TO

BREED

AUROTH

>>13824586

Valve is taking control?

Maybe we'll see a spike and then a big dip after the latest heroes.

>>13824457

7.00 and other dumb shit are fucking it up. They basically decided that to make DotA 2 more popular they should make it more like LoL. Now you have DotA 2 players losing interest and for some inexplicable reason LoL players prefer to play LoL instead of DotA 2.

MMR has been a colossal crapshoot and many of their fixes were terrible. Seasonal MMR required paying money and then they required players to put phone numbers in to play ranked, which is a great way to discourage players from playing ranked.

Steam market also got completely fucked, with DotA 2 drops no longer being marketable, so anyone who was market grinding the game gave up on that.

And loads of balance and meta changes have been slowly making the game more cancer. DotA 2 has been aiming more for a fucking rice meta and nerfing any heroes that can quickly snowball their way into carry position. Heroes are now rebalanced to depend on items to become effective, giving gankers and other heroes a shittier time. As a result, you no longer have the feeling of "Oh I'll pick this hero and dominate the game." Instead you have the feeling of "wow I hope I can farm fast enough to be useful."

Basically people lost enthusiasm for the game. DotA usually sucked you into playing with the promise that you could do something awesome with that one hero and dominate a game with style. Now DotA tries to cajole you with the promise that maybe the game will go well and you'll win.

>>13824554

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hXCcEqprB0

just…

WHY

>>13824744

The TORpedo is right about a lot of this, it especially doesn't help that Talents can get really fucking absurd towards lv25

>phone numbers to play ranked

as someone who firmly believes that ranked is for gays who care about "muh e-peen," good fucking riddance not just to ranked but to all the people that make smurfs and account sellers.

>you no longer have the feeling of "Oh I'll pick this hero and dominate the game."

the only way to dominate a game is if your entire team is gank or team fight oriented with heavy disables and heroes that don't need much to be effective.

and then you have heroes that do nothing but stall the game making it last for far longer than it needs to be.

This format of assfaggots is getting stale

Dota 2 is a game on life support,

A good online game lasts 5+few years with constant maintenance and new content,

then it becomes stale and people leave

Valve has been very smart about balance and content, they have played all the cards (literally card game coming next)

There isnt much they can do now, it will die slow death

>>13824931

oh yeah that reminds me

>A FUCKING CARD GAME

Over 50% of PUBG's playerbase is Chinese. Considering the absolutely ridiculous numbers it's pulling in and when when the graph started to dip, I'm gonna say that's part of the reason DOTA 2 isn't doing so well.

>>13824457

I don't even find the main game fun anymore, just frustrating trying to speak in English, Malay, and Chinese whilst trying to decipher Thai/Viet to coordinate a team. I've been playing 10v10 instead, more chaotic and laid back, and coordination is nonexistent in custom games, nor do I get any form of pressure to win.

>>13824989

chinks play dota2 through perfect world, which isn't reflected in the steam stats. pubeg undoubtedly took some numbers from dota, but primarily people are just bored with it.

>>13825058

although they are quite different games, from a competitive standpoint they do share some key similarities such as starting from zero on an even footing along with everyone else and working up from there every game, with no real factors carrying over from every game expect your own experience and skill. it's also nice in comparison to dota by being able to actually solo and not rely on (((valve's))) shitty forced 50 matchmaking.

>>13825058

Probably because China didn't have access to a lot of western games until recently, so PUBG is the first big one to hit.

>>13825058

i think it's because the "battle royale" thing is popular in chinaland, but even then, battle royale has traps, outsmarting and drama, while PUBG only has a fraction of outsmarting because its a mod from another game

>>13824506

>beta murician are more interested into rivalry, meme, and hype than actual performance in a competitive game…

you have no idea just how true this is

>TSM the "best" na team

>constantly hyped about and they do thier best to stay in the limelight

>Riot promotes them hard, constantly felating some member

>actual players really aren't anything to write home about

>worlds happen

>tsm constantly called NA's best hope, and how thier sure to win this

>tsm shits the bed and don't make it anywhere

>this happens every year

hell this year they didn't even make it out of groups despite being given the easiest group to get out of

>>13825120

I thought Cloud 9 was considered the best, while TSM has always played second fiddle to whoever is the best

>>13825058

>>13825081

The matchmarking and people are the worst parts of Dota2, so I can at least understand that appeal of it.

>>13825081

>shitty forced 50 matchmaking.

How does Dota have forced 50? It's just MMR. I currently sit at 70% winrate in ranked and 60% in unranked.

>>13824744

>and for some inexplicable reason LoL players prefer to play LoL instead of DotA 2.

its not enexplicable

>easier

>less punishing

>waifus

>colorful

>adding more fremium aspects to get addicts hooked

>dedicated region servers to keep brs and ruskies in thier place

>stream of changes rather than big shakeups

>balanced by and for idiots rather than competition

>>13825123

fuck if i know, i just remeber tsm fans being obnoxious shits claiming thier team was gods gift to league, only to get shut down over and over again. I dont even care about assfaggot competitions.

>>13825141

>Balanced by and for idiots rather than competition

Compared to what?

>>13825148

Compared to balancing for the muh digitial sportz scene the 0.1%.

>>13825058

PUBG items are worth more money than Dota 2 items.

That's the only reason China (as a whole) plays a game.

>>13825058

Because people have to learn how to play dota first. PUBG is just jump in and play.

>750k players

Lol dead game XD

>>13824457

Matchmaking died.

20+ minute queues for a game 5k MMR. I end up playing something else in my free time and I bet most people are too.

>>13825141

>its not enexplicable

That was sarcasm, dude. Obviously if you want games that are most like LoL, you'd want to play LoL itself and not something else. I'm just making fun of DotA 2's retarded idea of poaching LoL users by turning their game into something neither DotA nor LoL players want.

>>13825289

No one wants to join a game on its way down.

Looks like it got the team fortress threatment.

>only focus on skins

>casual additions such as shrines and those dumb points instead of stats

>>13824457

>What Happened to Dota 2?

Nothing. Its a same shit.

>>13825058

just fotm

>>13824574

>muh russians

>ability to sell shit is bad, better have it locked to your account with permanent ban thread for toxicity

>buy more heroes goyim, just play 231 games a week, win every game and in mere 4 and a half months champions will be yours!

>>>/suicide/

>>13825058

Because population of China and the fact you can sell items for large amounts of money.

>>13825540

How can you shit at seasonal MMR of all things? It gets rid of all the fucking faggots who take long ass breaks then comes back thinking they are hot shit but they are actually nothing.

>>13825598

How does it shit on people who play consistently? They just keep playing during re-calibration and end up on the same MMR. The "rusty" leavers come back playing like fucking retards ruining games for everyone, they can fuck off I know you're one of them you fucking asshole

>>13825540

>And, to put the nail in the coffin, Vale just announced that persistent MMR is being abolished in favour of LoL-style matchmaking 'seasons,' so anyone who actually put effort into gitting gud and used their MMR as the evidence of their success has seen all that trampled upon.

Good. Persistent ranks and MMR will just make smurfs and people who boosted their accounts more common. It's a shitty system and for a person that might be better than his rank is now fucked under that system because he would have to consistently win games for hundreds of hours to get anywhere near the average range, low MMR is filled with smurf teams and the only way for a better player to advance is to play in a way they may or may not like, which is only going for carries since you can't depend on your team. Recalibration could only be done previously if you bought a TI pass, so you have to pay them money to enjoy the game better.

>>13825644

I didn't know about the new system but still, re-rolling your MMR on some 10 games is fucking retarded. Its still just a useless system and a stupid bother over some few insignificant amount of players.

>>13824457

We're in the age of online competitive clones. I don't see many games lasting longer than a couple years for a while when they're cranked out one after the other.

Games eventually get boring and you can only play so many games at once on top of normalfags having low attention span.

Also

>ASSFAGGOTS

I'm guessing you missed the part where the game went from 30+ minute matches , usually much longer because pub players are extremely fucking retarded and have no concept of when to end the game, to under 30 minute matches because the game was fundamentally changed within the last couple of years.

>>13825540

>Oozed polish while retaining interface bugs from beta all the way to the overhaul

I wouldn't say it oozed polish.

>>13825699

Seriously? The map and pace of the game are completely different.

>>13824457

They had such a boner for E-Sports that they forgot that it's the "casual" community that keeps the game alive. Let me explain.

Look at most esports games today. Most of them are games that also have a great variety of less serious gamemodes. (Think surf, kz, phys maps, deathrun etc for cs, and wc3 custom maps for dota) this meant that if you didn't want to tryhard all the time, or ever, you still had loads of fun things to play. The esports part of the games was always relatively small compared to the entire playerbase. Modern games push esports as the only way to play, with no support for funny gamemodes. This is due to the devs'/publishers' will to control all the money in the scene. Every community created custom gamemode is a potential DLC to them. This means that if you get bored of tryharding constantly, you'll have nothing to do.

>>13824457

>The game appeared to have staying power and massive support and still draws in millions each year from its compendium despite hitting its peak in 2015

Compendium peak was this year's TI nigger. It's making more money than ever before.

>>13825748

What an ignorant thing to say, you don't even play this game. DOTA2 has great support for custom games.

>>13825489

t. not a dota player

>/v/ talking about doto

Some things never change, either in cuckchan or here.

>>13825787

>>13825787

I have a bit over 3k hours. I mostly play casually with friends after 7.00. custom map makers complain how every patch breaks custom maps with retarded things like not deprecating things, but straight up removing them. Most dota2 custom games aren't fun at all. With how the arcade system works, most of them are made to be popular, instead of creators trying to make something they want.

>>13825826

There's no point in playing custom games because people just leave if it's not going well. There will never be a successful custom game community if that doesn't change in some way.

>>13825826

Only half their fault. Breaking custom games every patch makes people not want to make custom games.

Also cosmetic jewery keeps the game on life support. I have friends who only really play to buy compendiums. The biggest cancer causing all of this is matchmaking. It has killed community based play in almost every game it exists in.

In dota2, valve is to blame for half for this shit and the retarded playerbase for the other half. The degeneration of video games in general can be attributed to modern players becoming shit tier turbocasuals, who are so inept they cannot use their brain to learn or envision new things if their life depended on it.

>>13825851

*Warcraft III

I hope Dota 2 and all the other esports crap die soon. It's time people learn especially PCfags to play some platformers and stealth games as penance.

>>13824554

Skeleton King got changed because of Blizzard. How do you retards keep coming up with that "no skeletons" idea when Pugna and Clinkz are the same skeletons they always have been and SKK just got a new spell that summons skeletons as well.

>>13824498

The numbers were already going down before 7.00 though.

>>13824532

Dota has been around for much longer than 3 years.

>>13825851

The WC3 days weren't filled with instant gratification faggots.

>>13825885

Low violence mode changes all skeleton models and icons to non-skeletons. This mode is forced on in china I think.

>>13825885

>How do you retards keep coming up with that "no skeletons" idea when Pugna and Clinkz are the same skeletons they always have been and SKK just got a new spell that summons skeletons as well.

Because blizzard shills and an NDA thans to (((Legal system))) where valve isn't allowed to say the real reason.

>>13825897

Then you're problem isn't how Valve made the scene it's how people are playing it you retard. It still proves that having consequences for abandoning a custom game is not required to be successful.

>>13825303

>who nobody picks 2 day after

Pangolier is the 19th most popular hero and Dark willow the 33rd out of 115 right now.

>>13825540

>It's main attraction to a huge number of people was that it was a faithful reproduction of the original game

>That has all changed now

The original game has always been changing, just like it's changing now.

>Valve also seem to be moving toward the Riot approach of 'OP for the 2 months after release so everyone plays it

Every single new hero for the last 10 years was (a bit) too strong at release except Windranger and the recent Pangolier. Are you just making things up?

>Most mechanical changes have made games much shorter

You should meet up with the guy who complained about "valve forcing a rice meta" further up.

>>13825598

>First off it shits on people play consistently

Do you think you're going to fall down from 9k to 300 MMR every 6 months? Do you have brain damage?

>>13825657

>Its still just a useless system

No it's not. If somebody buys a highlvl account because "his teammates are holding him back" he gets held back by the system - which is good. If somebody takes a long break and isn't at the same level that he used to be he gets held back - which is good. If somebody gets a low rank and then decides he is going to practice some more in unranked he will be bumped up once he goes back - which is good.

You have no idea what you're talking about - which is bad.

>>13825910

That's what I fucking said, leavers are the problem you retard. But people are not going to change, so either Valve does something or custom games remain shit.

>>13825819

>>13825787

More than half of the custom games are unstable and unplayable. The only good custom was Pudge Wars, and even Pudge Wars got fucked up.

>DOTA2 has great support for custom games

What are you smoking? More than half of the custom games are unplayable.

>>13825861

>Ashley Burch is in Dota

Jesus fucking Christ no wonder that hero screamed Tumblr. Why do people keep hiring this bitch? She isn't good at her job, and she's only eye candy for beta nu-male cuck developers and lonely old suits. When will companies understand people hate having this leftist-sjw bitch in their games? She doesn't even like anything that's tied to her career out of a check.

>>13825861

Fuck, did their retarded strike end? I enjoyed those people not getting any work, wish they would have kept at it.

>>13825867

33rd out of 115 heroes. The other new hero is 19th. Don't repeat your nonsense like that.

>>13825945

>The same reason why TF2 died

TF2 has been very stable around an average of 50k players for a long long time now.

>The e-sports garbage is secondary nationalist jerk off sports

Outside of China teams are usually pretty international - not sure if that makes things better though.

>>13825861

>jade voice actress

skip to :47

>>13825957

>TF2 has been very stable around an average of 50k players for a long long time now.

>50k

>a lot of players for TF2

Those are just retards that can't let go and BR trash that play free games.

>>13825058

>massive learning curve

>no learning curve at all

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>>13824457

>steady decline, with only a bump occurring during major events.

>Why?

SJW kike and nigger cuck spam influence. They ruined all AAA games and kicked many players out of gaming altogether.

>>13825787

>DOTA2 has great support for custom games.

nice meme lad https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/7b1mo1/707_and_the_frostivus_custom_game_contest/

custom games break every patch, valve does not support custom games for shit. The only support they give is allowing you to monetize it, just so that they can take out a revenue share.

>>13825997

I think the main reason why you're not going to see as many good custom maps these days is because engines (Unity, Unreal, etc.) have become much more accessible for the average guy, so you don't have to limit yourself by using some map-making tools.

>>13824457

>it seems to have already stagnated in population and is now on a steady decline, with only a bump occurring during major events

That's typically how it works. 7.00 fucked up a lot of things including player game modes and maps and people dislike that the community is populated with people front second and third world countries.

>>13826058

>does Newearth or whatever still exist?

It does but it's like a MUD. Only the fans know about it and even less play it.

>>13826058

source?

>>13826151

If that's the case, why did they make the suit of armor model for Skeleton King and force that in the Chinese client if they were just going to change it later?

>>13826169

What are easily made placeholders?

>>13825941

If they are unplayable it's because they are not maintained. It's not a dead game like Warcraft 3, custom games need to be kept up to date.

>>13826524

TI 2016 was AMAZING. It was the best patch.

>>13826530

>You have no idea what you're talking about. And even if you had a point, 7.07 introduced turbo which has an average length of 25 minutes. basically ez mode 2.0

At 6k people destroy their items if the game goes south, you can see it on streams all the time. In my games people will feed, abandon or go afk if you do something like pick Chen and dump on all the lanes or pick Natures and rat. What the fuck does turbo have to do with top players denying their items if the games over and people abandoning like it's going out of style?

>skill trees introduced

>it's a "stat points are more complex then skill tree" fag

<Literally never mentioned that once in my post

I keep forgetting 500 mmr players such as yourself exist.

>>13826568

It was great, the only heroes that weren't picked were banned anyways. Great patch for lineup variety, top balance.

>>13826620

>he never played original Dota ez mode

What a newfag.

>>13826645

>alliance

>teamfights

More like rats.

>>13826679

>Those workshop skins

>Rated so low

Reddit did this.

>competitive multiplayer game

>only one map

I will never understand this. They had to constantly edit the fucking main map while making the older versions unavailable when all they had to do was make a map rotation.

>le funny assfaggots memes

did i walk into cuckchan?

>>13826450

Oh yeah I'm completely fed up with gamers. Its not the casuals that ruin this industry.

Seeing good people turned into Jews when trading cards were introduced.

>>13826748

>only one map

Because heroes become absurdly op if the map changes. There already is shit like 1v1 mid and first to 20 kills death match free for all. But like only a 1/10th or 1-2 heroes in the game are relevant in these.

People only pick shadow fiend for 1v1 mid because he's strong as fuck but his weakness is getting ganked which will never happen in a 1v1 mid.

People pick shit like luna, riki, oracle, etc that can snipe kills in the 20 kill free for all so they can cheese to the top.

The dota heroes are just way too extreme for anything else.

>>13824457

It's too hard for braindead casuals who play league. Their complaint is always about not being able to handle the fact that the direction your facing actually matters and that turning around is actually a thing that happens. Losing gold on death is also too much for them to handle.

>>13826679

>cherry picking low rated trash from the workshop and trying to pass it as ingame hats

Come on, now.

>>13826799

>that portrait for Tiny

This pleases me.

>>13826417

Because Dota 2 has the best (for the customer) f2p model out there? Where, just like that knife of yours, everything is purely cosmetic and a new account with nothing spent has access to the same things that some 10k hours, $50k retard has?

Just compare that to the $60 Star Wars game EA is going to release soon for example.

>>13826809

>The dota heroes are just way too extreme for anything else.

<If they put the rosh pit on the other side of the map it would break the game.

Having a different map doesn't mean making an entirely new fucking game type you simpleton. All they had to do was make maps with different creep spawns and locations and shit. Some chars would be more powerful than others on different maps BUT THAT'S WHY THE FUCKING PICKS AND BANS SYSTEM EXISTS IN THE FUCKING FIRST PLACE

>>13826899

It's not an RTS/fightin game/melee/CS:GO

>>13827043

>1381128662822.jpg

>that namefagging and tripfagging

One of the few things I don't miss about the older days.

>>13826899

Your opinion is invalid. The map layout is a foundation, having multiple maps is adding another factor to the impossibly complicated balance formula.

LOL thread?!

Who's making these shitty posts and why are they being deleted?

Who's the retard deleting the posts

COULD THE MODS STOP BEING SO CONCERNED ABOUT SERVER STORAGE SPACE?

>>13827163

>Not having barely different maps that do nothing but turn the game into a cluster fuck is riot tier balance

>When riot tried and failed introducing 3v3 maps

>>13825540

>with this new batch of two Valve also seem to be moving toward the Riot approach of 'OP for the 2 months after release so everyone plays it and buys the cosmetics, then nerf it so its actually somewhat balanced'

Dude, Dota was always like that. In the days of Dota 1, you had God of Wind, Gambler, Spirit Breaker, Invoker, Earth Spirit, and many others that were released completely unbalanced and were patched later (GoW and Gambler where taken out of the game to never come back, so ridiculous they were).

In fact, I only remember two instances of the initial iteraction of the hero being too weak that they had to substantially buff it in the next patch: Nerubian Weaver (and the fact that a WC3 update broke the cooldown on her ultimate) and Windrunner.

>all these people pointing out flaws

>all these dotards rushing to defense

Hillarious, you people are like ants. Numbers don't lie though, Dota player count has gone down significantly, at some point you'll have to accept that valve has fucked up in a way that has driven away those who were content for the longest time to replay one map, and the same group of heroes over and over. AnecDOTAlly of my friends list 200 strong, 90% of which I met on Dota, only two I regularly see playing. Furthermore If you redditors don't think Dota has flaws you're fucking stupid, US east has been a waste land of beaners for four years now with no reaction from valve for just one example.

Well, apparently you can get banned for posting DOTA content in a DOTA thread.

>>13826645

>>13826620

>>13826666 (goodbye quints)

Well not gonna bother linking the rest. I hope the ban wasn't too long.

I know this feel.

>>13827261

People shitting on the game with actual arguments are the players themselves though.

>>13826417

>purely cosmetic

>can sell it for Rothschild's IOU's or valve funmoney with exchange rates equal to Rothschild IOU's

>you can play without paying for any of them

>you can leave a tab open and get a crate worth 30 dollars

based mods deleting cancer

>>13827216

I don't get it. 3v3 is a different gametype than 5v5. It wasn't just a new map it was a different game.

I just wish that the paches changed to only make the game more interesting and have more to do with the same game type instead of just gutting the game to so they can get more money from esports.

>>13827264

>spamming

>not against the rules

Feels bad though.

the new heroes are voiced by Phil LaMarr and Ashly Burch

>>13827216

Original twisted treeline was better.

>>13827357

>Phil LaMarr

He did shit in the new Samurai Jack as well.

>>13826417

I don't need a $500 gun or a $250 courier to say I'm bad at Dota, or can play support Sniper. You needed to fork shit loads of cash to get a perk that would give you a major boost against other players in $60 games like Battlefront 2 and CoD: WW2. Both are cancer, but one can be avoided. Dota's cancer used to be cool because you could trade stuff with friends and other players; then Gaben killed that because he wanted more money.

>>13827261

>talk shit about game you dislike and don't play

>expect other people to value your opinion

Nope, come back when you have played thousands of hours.

>>13824457

I played for about 2000 hours. What more do you want from me? Things get old.

i wish there was some way to show some of the messages from this thread to the devs

fuck reddit

>>13827564

You could do something about it.

>>13827616

i dont even play the game anymore

>>13825819

Half of DotA 2's mods are Warcraft 3 mods remade in source.

>>13827163

>RIOT tier forced meta

>literally breaks the game constantly for lols then sits back and watches what the community does about it

>>13827564

Everyone in this thread is saying retarded shit and it's glaringly obvious that they don't play dota.

Plebbit comes down hard on valve too most of the time.

>>13828049

There are a gorgonzzillion ways to stop the instagibs and for someone to instagiv you he has to know what he is doing. And thats mostly mid game. Early nobody has the power to kill fast and later characters become more tanky and damage nuke start to fall off because no damage scaling. Learn to play the game before talking shit about it.

>>13828107

Reminder you will get blacklisted if you pick Techies, are good with Techies, or know how to use a new hero before scummy faggots like Arteezy, Eternal Envy, and Dendi get to master the new heroes (Can't make Arteezy look bad!).

>>13828092

>Stop playing glass cannons you tard. Better yet play centaur.

>Implying centaur wont get 2 shotted by an SF who's been farming like crazy all game and pops out of nowhere with a shadowbload, butterfly, daedelus at 25 minutes and ends the game before you know what the fuck happened.

But I'm wasting my breath. It's so painfully obvious to everyone you're a 2k shitter. I even knew you where the dipshit defending the nu-dota earlier before checking the ID's.

>>13828209

>2k shitter.

No one cares about your mmr, faggot. Arteezy is at 10k, and he's still an annoying little cunt.

>>13828209

Yeah, or when at minute 3 a crystal maiden comes along with tripple divine plus dual yasha and slaps your fountain on the ass.

>>13828426

<b-b-b-but (((torte-de-lini)))'s #1 msot upboated guide doesn't include this item

>>13828267

>>13828468

It never dealt pure damage before reduction, anon. It reduced the damage based on your defenses and then threw the rest back as pure damage.

>Steady decline

>All images OP posted literally contradict this

Do you not know how to read a graph anon?

>>13828483

>not one gank on the sf for the first 10 minutes of the game

Truly high level gameplay anon >>13828366

>>13828049

I'm 1k mmr and I never buy Blink, Force, Lotus Glimmer, Linkens, BKB, and go full damage :DDDDD

>>13826169

That was a shitty replacement model, and the skeleton king sets would make him look like a skeleton anyways, that was why they changed him. I guarantee they want to do the same treatment for Clinkz but are too lazy.

>>13830487

Games really only go on that long in <3K because no one knows how to end the fucking game.

ASSFAGGOTS is dead as a genre anyways. The next big thing is overwatch style shit.

>>13825058

>Can someone please explain the appeal of PUBG over Dota?

-Easy to play

-Low Commitment. If you don't want to play you can fuck off at any time

And the big one,

-RNG allows low skilled players to do well. A good player will almost always win the match, but shitters are capable of competing, because sometimes they'll end up getting amazing equipment and other people will get fucked by them if they have level 3 armor and a sniper rifle.

>>13825120

I remember in 2012 some no name team appeared and easily got wins on TSM. TSM only won by 1 match, and it seemed like whomever started bottom right team won the match, hence TSM not really winning in my opinion considering if they went a sixth this pattern would have continued.

>>13834062

TSM lost to jungle twisted fate, which made Riot rework entire jungle creep AI.

>>13834347

I wouldn't know, but Riot is some serious shit. They're pretty much the fun police and remove anything that isn't tuned for competitiveness. Like the alternate game modes, where everyone was same hero, they just removed them week after putting them in because people realized they liked other custom maps than just DoTA.

>>13834521

If you don't pick the heroes Riot wants to see or Riot hates you'll get banned even if you mastered their most hated characters.

>>13834521

Riot also gave safelane towers absurd amounts of armor because for half a year Koreans were playing chicken with tower rushes.

People got banned for randoming heroes.

>>13834556

>People got banned for randoming heroes.

But random is a fucking option on the select screen, isn't it?!

>>13834562

Doesn't matter lol.

>actually using game's features

that's a ban

>using unorthodox build, or a role?

Ban!

DOTA2 is too hard for me the average gamer, these days. Also, the lack of friendly features (Surrender vote, games that don't last 5 hours) means that outside of the asian menace that consists of most of the active population, there's not much interest. In short, it's a game not for shitters in an genre of mostly shitters. Plus other, more fun games came out since DOTA2's release. Thanks Divinity, for 200 hours and counting.

I spend an unhealthy amount of time in DOTA2 exclusively for the custom games, however - so there's that. If Warcraft 3 HD has all the games Warcraft 3 had but with better models/textures/movement, I'll just drop DOTA2 and hop back on that shit

>>13834578

It's more:

>have successful game

>have no clue why it's successful because you're a retarded suit who only understands things if they're in a nice Excel spreadsheet

>see LoL

>hatch a brilliant plan because you're a fucking genius suit, after all, why else are you a suit at the head of a multimillionaire company?

>this brilliant plan is to steal the LoL crowd by making the game more like LoL, so LoL players will abandon LoL and play your game

>remember, you have that big beautiful framed MBA hanging on the wall of your office, so you're clearly fucking brilliant, nothing could possibly go wrong, right?

>oh shit.jpg

>time to pressure the board into drafting up a nice retirement package

>>13825176

>It's too hard to get into.

That's the biggest lie killing DoTA. It does have more mechanics to learn than LoL, but it's hyped up as the hardest and most hardcorest game ever, and it's simply not true. I am having a better time playing DoTA than I ever had at LoL because teamfights in DoTA generally are not reaction time fests also because I main supports and supports simply suck in LoL

>>13828107

This too. It's a game. If I'm not getting paid to play it, I'm not treating it like a second job. Can't git gud at my own pace, so it's not worth bothering unless you love being verbally abused n'stuff.

>>13834597

Pulling camps, stacking creeps, and sneaking denies into lane autism alone is more work than your average LoL match

>>13834573

>Not giving Riot shitty memes with Draven or his boyfriend Braum, or the stupid lesbian cops and their schizo-villain they want to rape?

Ban!

>Not liking their sjw-pandering?

Ban!

>Hating Ezrael and telling Riot Ezrael, Ashe, Sona, and other popular champions doesn't need an outfit while others don't even have a third skin?

Ban!

>>13834597

>>13825176

I had more being a support in Dota than LoL (It was even more fun when I was support as Sniper). Support is absolutely horrible in LoL even if you're some bullshit OP character like Gay-as-Fuck-Sjw Taric, Sona, or Braum.

>>13834651

>A short lady that got nerfed hard

<Isn't sjw-pandering

<Not a lesbian cop nor skinny schizo

<Not one of their Mary Sues

<Not a ripped-off Dota hero Riot is forcing you to like such as Ashe

<Not Ezrael

<Not Draven or his boyfriend Braum

Yea, your ass is totally getting that ban!

>>13834610

Doesn't mean it is excessively complicated. I remember before I started playing DoTA people would always compare LoL and DoTA, and insisted not only on how much more complicated DoTA was over LoL, and how a LoL babby could never even resist his first DoTA game, but how it was basically the most hardcore game ever and basically, the Dark Souls of being as hard as Dark Souls before Dark Souls comparisons were a thing.

Now that I play DoTA, I can tell that was bullshit. I certainly didn't know how to exploit mechanics to their fullest, but fuck, I got to a peak of 70-80% winrate when I started out. Really, I had more fun playing DoTA alone (they outright refuse to play DoTA for some dumb reason) than when I played LoL with my friends. DoTA should be marketed as more complex, deeper and maybe more hardcore than LoL, but it isn't, by any means, a game that will rip you a new one just by installing it.

>>13834671

Speaking of designs.

>>13834578

>Make your game more like competing game

>>13834090

>because they tried to make it into more of a league of legends

The logic is easy to understand: they didn't. We've just recently got the most punishing version of the deny mechanic that Dota 2 ever had for example and they are adding a shit ton of stuff that makes it harder to get into the game as well.

>>13834596

>time to pressure the board

They don't have a board.

>>13834696

>DoTA

Why do so many people feel the need to capitalize the "t"? Why is it never DOtA with you people? I probably see this more often than the correct spelling(s).

>>13834747

The Ancients

of isn't capitalized.

>>13834773

>Ashley Burch

>More players

wait, what?, really?

>>13834808

Bard's first skin basically ripped off Nature's Prophet.

>>13834773

>Use summoner spell near her

>SHE GETS IT -FOR FREE-

WOW HOLY SHIT IF SHE WAS RELEASED YEARS AGO SHE'D HAVE SCARED THE FLASH OUT OF EVERYBODY BUT NOOOOO

>>13834696

I mean, I have DOTA2 installed, and as a faggot, I enjoy lore and character designs far more than MOBA gameplay. Like I said, I play customs (Gem TD, Hero Arenas) WAY MORE than fucking regular DOTA. Like… scale of 56 to 1. Playing real matches makes me sick to my stomach, and then the bitching from teammates once the enemy realizes I can't play from behind since no tutorial in-game teaches it, then they camp me for the game? Fuck that. I'm shit and not improving since my enemies aren't getting any easier.

>>13834814

Seems pretty straightforward to me

>enemy used "Summoner Spell"

>it drops to the ground

>new hero grabs it and can use it

>when used she gets movespeed and throws 3 bubbles

well maybe not exactly straightforward but understandable

>>13834831

Bards skin ripped off Malfurion, which is what NP was in DOTA allstars.

>>13834853

it's fucking retarded though.

>muh burden of knowledge, quantum invoker being OP and literally impossible to play at the same time

This is the result i presume.

>>13834611

Reminder mordekaiser has been confirmed to have over 150 bugs, some of which make him perform worse (AoE skills sometimes not damaging everything inside the radius, the ghost left when killed by its ult only has the stats of the character without items and runes, etc) and the only new special effect given by one of his outfits got removed after his attempt of a rework.

>>13834868

>Burden of Knowledge

That brings me back to those days where Morello said he'd rather chop his balls off than allow healers to exist in LoL. Christ.

>>13834873

Reminder that Cass and Ryze are still beyond repair after their reworks.

>>13834891

How many times has ryze been reworked already?

>>13834909

3 or so? might be more.

>>13834891

How's Yorick?

>>13835017

I heard he's a little better, but I stopped getting into vus and updates after they ruined Taric's character for sjw pandering. They finally updated Urgot and Evelynn.

>>13834891

>Beyond repair

Both are still potential power picks, but Cass isn't top tier, and Ryze only is in the right hands and can be counter-picked. They're fine.

>>13835017

Yorick went from boring to boring. He's one of those 'bland do-nothing' champs that presses buttons and right-clicks, but doesn't really have a playstyle or something you try to do in the game.

>>13835046

>ruined Taric's character for sjr pandering

Huh? He's just as camp gay as ever, now he just doesn't wear armour. He's pretty crappy though.

>>13834868

I think the real argument of Invoker is, by the time you learn and master the hero, he either has to be better than everyone else to make learning him worth it, or he shouldn't require as much effort to learn him as he does. It's finding that fine line of skill required vs reward where too much reward for too little skill makes him overpowered and too little reward for a lot of skill makes him undesirable.

>>13826058

Newerth imploded when they transitioned from $30 to a F2P LoL-type grinding model with coinpack shit. Didn't help that they wouldn't even give coins to all the players who bought the game before. It also didn't help that they were also breaking the meta every other patch with some new OP shit that they would slowly nerf down to something reasonable. And I'm not sure if Newerth ever supported the custom map scene. While you can make custom maps, you couldn't play them online iirc. Vid related: Someone made a WC3 port to HoN, but no one can play it.

If HoN stayed a $30 game and just supported online custom maps it would've sold like fucking crazy. WC3 mappers said HoN had a very good custom map maker, but S2 Games refusing to do fuck-all to support the custom map scene doomed it. People had to hack in online multiplayer and couldn't just use get lobbies going on the S2 server. I think the F2P transition was a bit of a death knell for custom map support because S2 Games probably started panicking about maps with fully unlocked content or people just switching to maps that weren't monetized. So it was basically community support never.

>>13839885

Purge makes money with coaching and commentating at the majors or whatever Valve calls them nowadays.

He'll keep on playing until the money stops, i.e. the interest in Dota dies completly down.

>>13828457

classic fEEd

>>13839885

>>13840341

I don't understand how a guy knows so much about Dota, yet is so fucking bad at the game even when he's played it for years. It doesn't make sense. He's like Maximiliandood, but with less shilling and has actual knowledge of the game.

>>13840331

>S2

This company is a joke. They left HoN for dead only to make a new shitty ASSFAGGOT that never got out of the beta (Strife). Strife was full of nothing, but disappointment. That game actually had potential to be good. Now they fucking turned strige into a Clash of Clans rip off. Fuck S2 for being so scummy.

>>13842103

>that old loadout screen.

FUCKING WHY DID WE GET A GODDAMN FIGHTING GAME CHARACTER VERSUS SCREEN FAKEN CHROIST

>>13842515

Because weens think if they troll a game, Machinima will recognize them, dropping whores, weed, and bags of money on their lap for being a PRO GAEMR that's not serious or some stupid shit. Reminder Arteezy is an ass-hole in Dota, yet despite being in lowprio Valve is okay with him and other "celebs" being attention whores or cunts to people.

Trying to copy LoL, casualizing and 7.00 happened. There is zero reason to play it now since it lost the depth and uniqueness it had. I'm seeing way too many videos of people breaking the game because of poor balancing.

You can say what you want about LoL but at least its balancing has improved greatly over the past few years (especially after the easy tower melting in 2015) and they're keeping in line with their streamlined approach. The mechanics they do have (autoattack cancels, skill combos and kiting) fit in with the approaches they take. Reworked runes make more sense as well. I can't say the same for braindead additions to DoTA, like Kaya and that spell amplification per level.

From what I've gathered MOBA has the same syndrome as MMO's had, where there are some hardcore userbase in there but there are allot of people jumping from one game to the other and it's not really stable. It's whatever seems to be new and hip that will get the next set of normal fags until it jumps to a new game.

Overwatch is not really in competition with the moba but whatever game has more waifub8 will be profitable, look at Cliffy's arena shooter no waifu just a niggeress and an ugly chink then you go and look at Overwatch, you have a THICC chink, brazilian and an Aussie with a spendex.

If dota2 has great waifub8 it's a seller but if lol has more waifub8 there are going to be more people on lol.

>>13834611

>or the stupid lesbian cops and their schizo-villain they want to rape?

Sounds kind of hot.

>>13842755

My understanding is that the SSN is required as part of the US tax code. Its technically not their fault in this case

>>13842788

Yes it is Valves fault. How about if the system requires an SSN then don't fucking put up with that system? They probably could've worked around this. But fucking hell am I giving away my SSN to some random Jews that's probably end up in a database to be inevitably broken into. NEVER give your SSN away to just anyone anon, Jesus fuck this is basic shit.

anyone else got stuck in 1k? I was originally 2.5k solo but fucked my self up and plunged into 1k gaming and holy shit im getting stuck in this hell hole. i win 2 games and lose 2, i win 3 and lose 3. cant even support when 4 of your other teammates pick hard carries

>>13824457

Its going the way of tf2.

>>13844744

What the fuck is this shitty image even trying to convey?

>>13844786

Some retarded tournament banned a single hat on warlock but allowed other stupid flashy stuff. Redditards also whine in it.

>>13825058

PUBG has

>A low skill floor

>Low commitment; no penalties for quitting midway into a match, able to do a quick match before going to work/school/whatever

>Loot boxes are worth more

>Easy to play with friends

>>13842655

>Trying to copy LoL

>casualizing

But this never happened. They made the game harder to learn if anything. Just because something is a new addition to Dota doesn't mean that it's automatically dumbing the game down.

>dOTa

>>13842709

>gamebreaking bullshit like the aforementioned shadow amulet build

>it counts you as inactive if you dont get kills but doesnt if you just sit there invis all day

There is no such thing, the afk detection works on you not getting XP for 5 minutes, no matter what else you're doing. There are some theoretical scenarios where this could fuck you over, but I can't remember this happen to anyone in all the games I've ever played.

>they added two broken OP characters and still havent fixed the last one they added (MK)

Broken heroes with winrates of 44.58% for Pangolier, 50.41% for Dark Willow and 47.83% for Monkey King in 5k+ MMR games (and mostly lower ones in lower MMR regions)

Why are you people just making stuff up? Not to mention all those "change = bad", "new item that ads a new feature to the game = double bad" arguments.

>>13844551

Try looking into the whole "mouse" thing. I heard the game is easier to control once you have one.

>>13842795

>How about if the system requires an SSN then don't fucking put up with that system?

Yeah, fuck giving people options.

>They probably could've worked around this

I'm sure that they are intentionally losing shekels on their retarded market tax by intentionally inconveniencing people.

>>13842515

I wonder if some Overwatch like thing (the one in CS:GO) could help against people like that. Those overly defeatist cunts are worse than the people who who capitalize the "t" in Dota/DotA.

>>13841909

>I don't understand how a guy knows so much about Dota, yet is so fucking bad at the game even when he's played it for years.

He isn't that terrible with 5.6k MMR, unless you're comparing him to actual pros of course.

>>13841909

He's 5.6K MMR he's well best the middle of the bell curve. Purge also probably doesn't upload stomps going either way because they're not fun to watch, so if you're wondering why every single video of his isn't him winning, it's because it wouldn't be entertaining otherwise. Granted, he will make stupid mistakes in the middle of matches the constant hesitation to buy BKB because it's boring is also frustrating and probably holds back his MMR that's still going to happen in almost anything but pro matches.

>>13844814

Momentum. It's already sucked nearly five thousand hours from me, and I can't seem to funnel them elsewhere.

>>13824457

Valve happened, once they realised they could make more money selling other peoples games then making their own they stopped giving a shit, as of right now valve has lost almost all its talent and is running on a skeleton crew while Gabe rakes in millions a month.

>>13845275

all adding a surrender option would do is create the opportunity for shitters to shit up more games by refusing to surrender when the other 4 want to.

If your entire team really is in agreement that the game is over just sit in the fountain and tab out.

>>13845300

>all adding a surrender option would do is create the opportunity for shitters to shit up more games by refusing to surrender when the other 4 want to.

That's already happening though, everyday. The specific situation I am referring to, when 5 agree, is punished severely in the current set up. Shitters shitting up things will be going on no matter what. We're not giving them more options because they would still act the same with or without it.

>If your entire team really is in agreement that the game is over just sit in the fountain and tab out.

If the enemy team doesn't end faster then 5 minutes you are all slapped with an abandon for not getting experience in that time.

>>13845232

>game lauded for its competitive balance where in teams 'gg' out of games they're convinced is a loss

>matchmaking involving stomps more than half the time requires you to suffer through

nice game dotards

>>13845491

That's why it requires 5 votes, if you want to be the one tryhard faggot to fight to the end, you can be that faggot and stop your team from quitting, it's fine. I don't quit until the end but there's no reason to deny the option.

>>13845506

There is, specifically because it enables shitters. Simple as that.

>>13845525

The shitters that aren't letting you finish games anyways?

>>13845527

No because its basically enticing you to give up by being an option. Its he same logic with "well you don't have to buy lootboxes xDDDDDD"

>>13845546

So I suppose you're also in favor of removing the ability to deny barracks?

>>13845300

I've actually had a DotA game where my team surrendered on me and called the game lost when I was fucking confused and said we were winning and would have the game. They laughed at me, called me an idiot, and proceeded to throw all the rax to the enemy team because lol game is lost anyway. Faggots. I managed to solo defend against the entire enemy team + megas for another 15 or so minutes and drag out the loss while giving my team shit for being such quitters. Eventually they started chipping in and realized that they were in the wrong and shouldn't've done that. We lost in the end because I think enemy team got rosh and more items and we were already raxed into megas.

I was playing Necrophos with Guardian Greaves, blademail, radiance, octarine core, veil, dagon 5, back when the ocore regen worked on everything including the degen aura and blademail (and blademail had a much lower cd). Enemy team just could not kill me through my piles of armor, regen, and self-heals even with bkbs and once their bkb wore off it's rape time.

http://blog.dota2.com/2017/11/seasonal-ranked-update/

>Today’s update reworks the Ranked matchmaking system, as our inaugural six-month Ranked Season is ready to begin. Entering the season, all players will be able to earn a new Rank Medal on their profile that represents their highest performance level for the current season. A Seasonal Rank Medal never decreases in rank once you’ve achieved it. Initial calibration games will be seeded roughly based on your previous skill.

>There are seven levels of Rank Medals, and within each level are five stars of progress to earn towards the next Medal. These Medals are: Herald, Guardian, Crusader, Archon, Legend, Ancient, and Divine.

>>13845573

Why would somebody that unless he is specifically trolling? Those aren't the same people as quitters. Quitters just lose faith most of the time. I've had many times where someone says hes going afk and then start playing after 2 mins or after I keep telling them to play.

>>13842707

>The lack of a surrender option is also a problem.

Kill yourself, or abandon games you pathetic manchild, I'll make better use of your passive gold or can send your worthless ass to farm jungle so my team gets more shared gold.

>tfw still not good enough to micro 2 heroes at once.

>Not adding a surrender option in Dota

LoL is almost unplayable because of surrender. If one thing goes wrong, everyone spams that button. Trying to talk them out of it gets you a ban. Adding a surrender option would be absolutely stupid for Dota.

>>13847274

there is a surrender button, called "abandon" though.

maybe people are getting bored of the one map

i dont think lol is doing as well as it used to either

>>13848534

what possessed you to believe that?

>>13848534

We got invaded by neogaf before we could recover from being invaded by cuckchan.

>>13848534

you could apply that train of thought to so many boards and be perpetually disappointed

or from another perspective you could see theyre talking about the superior "moba" and not something where you have to unlock characters or grind to power them up.

>>13848534

It's superior tastes in MOBA now if you don't like MOBA you're going to be disappointed. I will admit there isn't much competition though.

>>13848606

>he hasnt heard of 300 heroes

Let's just hope the collage bubble bursts along with the vidya bubble so we can have a nice hard reset

>>13849222

>bubbles bursting

>resetting anything

suck more wallstreet dick

>>13848534

>calling it "MOBA" showing you're a newfag instead of more accurate term of ASSFAGGOTS

>>13849266

it never actually plays out that way, the fat just get fatter.

Competitive faggots. For some reason they decided that video game should be a second job. And not even a good job, but very repetitive and stressful one. You can see these faggots right in this thread screaming "muh MMR", "muh esports" and all other crap.