/v/ - Video Games

Also I forgot to add, I was going to use New Vegas and Rainbow Six: Siege as examples as games that fit the rhetoric of the new age game journo's agenda, but are works with merit and how some (like Siege) are ignored because of how it doesn't offend them (or how their lack of ability at games ensures they wont spend much time on it).

Don't forget EA's reaction to Mass Effect 3 criticism.

>>13746444

>meaning from websites ending in .gov or .edu.

Good luck, bud.

>>13746485

Yeah, I figured I'd get jack shit from there, but you never know I guess…

>a thread died for this

This prompt sounds like you're in high school or earlier, which means you're underage. You also have no idea how to take a viable source and use it to prove the opposite point, or to use a different industry (like film) to find ammunition.

This isn't video games. Fuck off.

>he thinks they do diversity for money

The sweet, uncomprehending innocence of little ones such as yourself.

>>13746444

>>13746485

Yeah, that requirement means you're going to get very little of anything. 99% of people who would be posting papers related to that on sites with .gov/.edu are going to be the very same type of "intellectuals" who are doing the diversity pushing in the first place.

>>13746502

No, not under age, but I can't find shit other than "diversity will help everyone articles" so I figured you niggers would be able to point me in the right direction, but i'll concede your point. I might do diversity as a whole instead.

>>13746523

>>13746511

Then do you know of examples of games have directly failed as a result of this? This too can be of use. I only know of a couple, and they're pretty weak examples. I'm trying to argue that they're using diversity as a marketing tool to try and sell shittier products at the cost of the quality of the games.

>>13746444

I'd advise framing it differently - e.g artistic license propelled by IRL experiences to draw on that gives it the ring of authenticity versus identity politics propped up by critical theory that is unable to stand up to critical scrutiny. Right now your paper seems to be in danger of being dismissed outright; better to follow basic principles of trolling, even though you do have a point to make at the end. That would be a paper I'd enjoy refuting for fun.

>"viable sources"

You're fucked on that account, gaming-related surveys are notoriously and transparently unreliable. A lot of people are doing a lot of agenda-pushing in this medium, be it guns or feminism or unemployment rates so any hard research is buried with tacit consent of the rest of the community. I'd point you to a couple (I'm recalling a Georgia Tech uni paper and a EU one that falls in line with what you're looking for), but I don't have the links.

>Thank you in advance.

Premature.

>I'm trying to write a paper that argues that the recent trend of pushing for "diversity" in the video game industry that is motivated purely for profit and pandering

There's your problem. Diversity in entertainment doesn't make money, and isn't pushed to make money. It's pushed to make the idea of a white society unthinkable.

>I'm asking here because I can't find any "viable sources" (just usual anti-gamer tripe), and I figure that /v/ would have people with better minds and examples than I do. The only requirement is that the sources have to be "viable", meaning from websites ending in .gov or .edu. and have to be from newspapers and magazine websites. It's all normalfag tier stuff (as the paper will be), but I thought I'd ask here for better sources than just crap found on google. In the meantime, i'll be searching various databases and such.

If you're going to insist on writing something on this topic, your sources will likely be written by people hostile to your argument. This means you have to do actual work. Instead of just saying "X, Y, and Z agree with my argument" you have to extract the actual facts and data from X, Y, and Z, then analyze them yourself to discover the things their authors were trying to obfuscate in their own analysis, the flaws in their data-gathering methods, etc.

My advice is not to write this paper for whatever shitty game design class you're taking, and instead write on something safer and less directly politicized. If you really want to write something on this topic, do it on your own time and publish it on the internet somewhere not tied to your real name.

>>13746565

Eh, it was worth a try. In either case, thanks for the input.

>>13746575

It's for college English class, but i'm already looking into alternate ideas with more sources.

>>13746551

>games that directly bombed because of diversity

>list them

Every single AAA game this year.

>>13746444

If you're in an academic setting, you're fucked no matter what you do because you're likely dealing with the political/academic half of the shitty dev/left establishment relationship.

Also, nobody can really be bothered to actually research that shit because it's so recent.

You might have better luck digging into older examples of DIVERSITY such as the BK Kid's Club, but that's about it.

>>13746444

Read Kaczynski's "The System's Neatest Trick" for a general outline.

>>13746757

Will do, thanks for the suggestion

Yeah, OP you're not going to find anything. The only reason why there's a push for diversity is for national destabilization. It's happened in Communist infiltrated countries, it's currently happening over in Europe, and they're working to make it happen here.

>>13746977

>A capitalist crony system

>Doing anything but maximizing profit

You're delusional. You need to feel as if there are some boogyman enemies for you to "fight" against by simply living your average, boring, white middle-class lifestyle, so you can "win" by sitting on your couch drinking beer and getting fat.

>>13746999

Look at comics. Sales are in the toilet, "diversifying" established characters is clearly one of the major reasons sales are in the toilet, but that's not stopping Marvel.

Profit maximization as motive is an approximation used by economists for modeling purposes. It's a good approximation in many cases. However, it has never, in all the history of the world, been anyone's actual motive. Other considerations always enter into it.

>>13746999

>You need to feel as if there are some boogyman enemies for you to "fight" against by simply living your average, boring, white middle-class lifestyle

I wonder who is behind this post.

>>13746999

>All white men are Sitcom Dad.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Are you lost, comrade?

>>13747056

>However, it has never, in all the history of the world, been anyone's actual motive.

It has never been anyone's exclusive motive, save for a handful of extreme outliers. It's in 99% of everyone's list of motives, because profits are an abstraction of means to survival, and most people don't have enough money to not be thinking about their survival at least in the back of their heads.

>>13746444

>I'm asking here because I can't find any "viable sources" (just usual anti-gamer tripe), and I figure that /v/ would have people with better minds and examples than I do. The only requirement is that the sources have to be "viable", meaning from websites ending in .gov or .edu

>.gov or .edu

Wow it's almost like your report is discredited if you think outside of the safe space they provided for you. Don't do your own upsetting research, just do what they tell you goy

>>13746444

You can argue the facts that adding in all the minorities and gays into videogames hasn't made an effect in the real world, and if they're so paranoid about trump and the white male army, it has done the opposite effect.

Also note how lack of information from minority communities and groups go into making these characters. And there is lack of feedback from minority communities when characters are implemented in.

>>13747137

>It has never been anyone's exclusive motive, save for a handful of extreme outliers

"Maximize" implies exclusive. You can only maximize one thing.

slavoj zizek is the best place to start, he's one of the first persons to study this idea, even though the fact that he's a commie

>>13746757

Kaczynski was right about the division of labour, I'll give him that much.

>>13746444

point out that out of touch executives may think that san francisco hipsters are the new popular people, that is, the "movers and shakers" and that they aren't actually popular

>>13748794

>>13748775

Anime get out

>>13746444

You can even use The Fine Young Capitalists sabotage as a way to show how other studios didn't even care for actual push of "diverse" talents and only about their own profit in the end.

>>13746511

To be fair, companies DO think diversity can get them profit in some cases, not all of course.

>>13746444

Having studied social sciences myself before going into STEM, you're going to have to think outside the box to find studies that help you. And you may have to change your topic to "forced diversity has no conclusive scientific support" or something instead of it being driven by pandering profiteers. That way, you can use the existing studies supporting forced diversity against it, because they are extremely flawed and pushing agendas just like the ones linking autism to vaccines. Remember, SocJus is its own worst enemy: postmodernism doesn't let objective science stop these retards from experiencing their own versions of reality. It makes every piece of data and word on the page have questionable validity, because they define things by how they experience them, not how they are.

Oh and ignore the retarded conspiracy theorists, /pol/ likes to think they own 8chan, but cutting bullshit politics out of videogames cuts both ways and those faggots can fuck off back to their containment boards.

>>13747018

>he doesn't realize /pol/ is also a containment board

Oh yes, I'm sure (((they))) are responsible for everything. Now head back to your sandbox and talk about how the good guys lost WW2 :)

>>13748856

So paragraphs are leddit spacing now? Honestly "reddit spacing" was always a retarded meme because chanfags did it all the time, but you aren't even accurately calling it out now. Do you need some foolproof suicide methods so you don't fuck that up to?

>>13750671

This may sound very stupid but, has anyone tried to disguise themselves as an SJW to interview some of those people asking for representation AND see how many games/comics/movies they consume when they have said "diversity" ?

>>13746444

If you can't find anything that would be considered a "credible" source to support your argument, that doesn't mean you don't necessarily have an argument. For example, when writing a history paper, a lack of historiography from one direction (primary sources from non-authoritative people for example) is a subject in of itself and is worthy of research.

But that depends on what the people above you think. They might believe that the lack of research/proof on the subject just means that it either isn't ground worth breaking, or that gap exists because there actually is nothing there, which usually isn't the case.

>>13746454

>siege

>forcing sjw shit

Well memed anon. Now go back to your homework