/v/ - Video Games

…brown pill threads?

>>13724399

I've heard that they're tough pills to swallow!

I hope OP is run over by a car today.

>>13724392

this thread.

>>13724422

>>13724411

>LEAVE UNITY ALONE

>>13724399

>>13724411

>>13724422

>>13724433

I do have to appreciate this season of digits though.

cuphead was made in unity, off yourself faggot

>>13724441

>this makes it less shit

rpgmaker?

>>13724447

>a billion kids make shitty games with a free engine

>hurrrr it's shit ignore any good games made with it

reported for 4cuck tier b8 thread

>>13724453

>1 dev succeeds despite being crippled by garbage engine

>this somehow makes the engine beyond reproach

>>13724472

>>13724460

I hope you see the irony here

>>13724435

>>13724461

>>13724392

>Unity is easy to use and thus poorly used by shit indie devs

>UNITY IS BAD!!!!

Go back to >>>/cuckchan/ with your shit misinfo memes you literal nigger.

>>13724487

Unity is trash for many reasons. You want one of the most retarded? Even a font is capable of destabilizing the entire engine. But go ahead and tell me how its better than any other real engine.

>>13724496

Maybe you just need to git good.

Even kids can use fonts in unity without problems.

>>13724392

Source.

>>13724392

RPGmaker

>>13724405

She's a big girl…

>>13724540

4u

Dubs

>>13724531

>More stable out of the box than Source

I don't buy that for a second.

>More versatile for 2D than GameMaker

I would choose cocos2d-x before I choose Unity.

>If there's a bug in the Unity engine you and your game are at their mercy until they decide to fix their shit

>>13724496

>Even a font is capable of destabilizing the entire engine.

WTF are you talking about? I've played Unity games from High class indie, to low class indie, along with my own personal projects. None remotely seem to have this problem. I'd even go so far as saying, if it compiles, then it will normally wont crash.

>>13724484

I believe this is enabled by Dev. Don't enable analytics and there wont be any. Then again, i haven't done research on this topic beyond the advertised features.

>>13724556

>If there's a bug in the Unity engine you and your game are at their mercy until they decide to fix their shit

That's true with all propriety engine, and likely have smiler situation with FOSS unless you're willing to get off your ass.

Anyways i think i'm done with this thread. Nothing but OP baiting.

>>13724574

Fuck, do repeating letters count?

>/v/ hates Furi, Hollow Knight, and Cuphead now because they were all made in Unity

FUCKING WEW LADS

>>13724539

It actually kinda is.

Unity is easy to use and get into, right?

If you're pandering to an unskilled crowd, you'll end up with an unskilled crowd. These sub-par developers then go on to make buggy games (they wouldn't otherwise be capable of making) and release them.

I emailed the dev of a certain Unity-based indie game some bug reports concerning basic UI usage in his game. The guy wrote buggy math code that doesn't even center the 'clickable trigger' elements on top of the drawn UI widgets. Any dev worth his or her salt directly integrates that shit into the widget itself. After I got a reply back, I looked up the guy. Turns out to be a legit Starbucks gulping, Apple using, 'muh womens rights' spouting human turd with plenty of garbe opinions on Twitter. But besides that point.

When the intellectual 'barrier of entry' is greater than Unity-level, you'll end up with proportionally more skilled crowd that's capable of correctly engineering their games.

So the real question is: Do you want quantity or quality?

Holy fucking shit, since when did /v/ have so many Unity Internet Defense Force soldiers?

Are we being raided right now?

>>13724570

>WTF are you talking about? I have anecdotal evidence!

UNCL.tff go ahead and look up all the unity games that fold just by it existing.

>>13724599

Since good games are made with it?

>>13724605

Name a single one.

>>13724609

There's four right here >>13724460

>>13724610

But he specifically said "good" games…

>>13724634

you guys are funny

>>13724612

Who is this cum catcher?

>>13724602

>Go educate yourself

Spoonfeed me!

>>13724604

>What is the halting problem?

No clue. Are you talking about when you have an infinite loop?

>>13724634

>Unity is terrible

<Nuh uh, there were good games made, therefore engine = perfection incarnate

>Ok, name some of those good games

<Ok, here's a list of objectively shittily designed games

>But those games are shittily designed

<Wow, j-just… simply…. wow

Don't cry too much, snowflake. You'll melt.

>>13724649

Fuck off cuck.

>>13724659

>what is burden of proof

>>13724644

The halting problem is proof you can't make the statement "if it compiles it won't crash", use a search engine retard

modern video games

>>13724556

>I don't buy that for a second.

Luckily its free so you dont have to buy it.

>>13724570

>WTF are you talking about? I've played Unity games from High class indie, to low class indie, along with my own personal projects. None remotely seem to have this problem. I'd even go so far as saying, if it compiles, then it will normally wont crash.

No Unity game so far has been released with fonts.

If you thought you saw fonts in a unity game it was a mirage.

>>13724681

>not wrapping every variable/array accessor with a try/catch block that returns a default value

>not using SendMessage for every function call

>not having objects automatically destroy themselves if a reference they need is null

>not calling GarbageCollector.Collect(); every frame

It's like you want your unstable games to crash

>>13724599

>Holy fucking shit, since when did /v/ have so many Unity Internet Defense Force soldiers?

Its used a lot by the /AGDG/ crowd.

Theres still debates about engines over there but its actualy between people who have made games before, not just people trying to repeat what they read on some other forum to make themselves sound smart.

>>13724604

>What is the halting problem?

Bad programmers blaming their tools.

Better question: Why not just learn to code for realsies and use a third party library to do all the fancy graphics handling and input handling, plus use an external program like Tiled for 2D or 3DSMax (or whatever) for 3D?

wow just write your games in assembly

Seriously speaking why is it that most unity games have this overabundance of bloom, as well as this super basic graphics menu that cycles between "Fast/Beautiful"?

I realize it's probably the defaults but

>they're pretty shitty defaults

>how come few people actually bother to change em

Unreal in the hands of a bad developer.

RPG maker.

HLM and Undertale are shit

>>13724776

>needing mods to filter through the posts so you can only see mod-approved(tm) content

I know where YOU need to go back to

>>13724599

>new opinion/idea on the board

WE'RE BEING RAIDED

>>13724776

Go back to AltaVista fag.

>>13724743

/agdg/ users use every engine, and sometimes make their own, because /agdg/ understands that the best tool for the job is the one that gets it done. Discussing the pros and cons of engines is one thing, but if you're spending more time arguing about it than actually making your game, you're guaranteed to be shit. Engine wars are actually looked down upon there for that reason, despite it being the place where they'd be most relevant.

>>13724794

Over half of the listed AGDG projects use unity.

Because as you say, theu pick the best tool to get the job done.

The main point of my comment is that they are commenting from experience at least.

So if someone there said make your game un Assembly language there may be a reason. Not just spergs trying to sound clever.

>>13724776

>mods

>not vols

goon detected

>if you wanted to actually make money off it you'd be forced to use Unity due to how it's already pre-optimized for mobile platforms and has metric tons of documentation available for it

<unity has documentation

<unity was built with mobile in mind

<somehow this makes the engine good

cool bait.

>>13724460

Call me when Tarkov is more than just a PUBG ripoff.

>>13724846

It makes it a commercial engine because of its wide compatibility.

Which is great if you want to generate some income off your game.

Your not going to be able to make the latest COD of duty with it.

>>13724826

>>13724784

>>13724781

Case and point, where are you people coming from? Are you just normal users that are particularly butthurt today?

>>13724853

I saw tarkov way before pubg.

It looks fantastic but they obviously had no idea where the game was going.

I am flabbergasted that it was made in unity.

>>13724857

I always tell people to go back to old websites that havent existed for decades.

Now fuck off back to Bob Doles electoral campaign page from 1996.

>>13724872

I just want my single player, maybe 2 player co-op stalkan

>>13724833 (checked)

>Project Vaulderie

;_;

>>13724879

What kind of enemies though?

The zombies in DayZ were really shit.

>It makes it the right tool for the job to develop cross-platform 3D mobile games, which is honestly the ONLY thing that's it got going for it.

Well he shoulda said that instead of flinging shit from atop his high horse, and even that is likely debatable. Unity isn't the only saloon in town, its features or lack thereof can be compared and contrasted with other engines and some debate can be had about their functionality on a technical level. You can't just declare it the best without considering dissenting opinions.

The single worst thing I've seen Unity do is when they completely stop development on certain features when a popular asset comes out on the asset store for that feature. Because they can then (and do) just refer you to the asset store when asked when that feature is coming out.

Their cut is 30%.

Unity as a company is scum, but the engine is okay. It's not missing enough to be critically broken.

Yes there is. Your desperate need for (You)'s

>>13724649

fuck off raiding goon go back to cuckchan, rolling for dubs check em

All general-purpose engines are shit by design.

Why it's shit?

>>13725901

t. assmad mongrel

>>13724761

Which platform and library should I use? There's multiple versions of assembly like HSC12 and Intel 86x.

>>13725901

>the Romans

The Germanic peoples didn't ruin Rome, they put it out of its misery after it drank poison.

>Byzantium

Alright yeah that's fair, some really dumb shit happened there I guess

>Protestants

The Catholic church was horrifically corrupt and while Martin Luther was a sperg he wasn't fucking wrong

>WW1

Part of the problem was Kaiser Wilhelm's paranoia about "encirclement". The other larger part was the fact that he was actually right and the rest of Europe's nobility was doing its damnedest to fuck with him because they all hate each other like fucking retards.

>WW2

Gross mischaracterization (if /pol/ is to be believed) to start with but the thing about Stalin is a semi-fair criticism. The Soviets would have stabbed westward and ruined Eastern Europe no matter what Hitler did, though.

>Merkel/EU/Migrant crisis

Fair, if overly simplistic.

Sage for not vidya.

>>13727647

If not for the Germans wearing down the Soviet War Machine, I think they'd have done alot more damage in all honesty. We'd have alot more Eastern Germany situations if not for that.

this thread

>>13727647

>>13729900

Jesus do any of you know history at all? Hitler originally never wanted war with the USSR. The Nazis and the Commies had a trade pact. The reason Hitler invaded was because Stalin violated the trade pact and they needed precious oil.

>>13724450

arguable

But yeah there are lots of shitty hipster game makers that are worse.

>>13729900

tbh if it weren't for Hitler, the USSR would still be around today and all of Europe would be commie shitholes. Germany slowed the Soviets down and weakened them enough for America to arrive and block them from going any further (Patton was of the opinion that they could have destroyed the USSR right then); without Germany, the USSR would have been able to build up and finish its restructuring and simply crush all of Europe.

>>13729922

>Jesus do any of you know history at all? Hitler originally never wanted war with the USSR

Yes, I'm aware. I never said anything to the contrary you sperg.

>lures developers in with easy initial learning curve, C#, some good UI's, adequate starting material

>seems that it has some annoyances but nothing hugely problematic

>after developers do some easy stuff and get some of the way in, having invested a chunk of time, suddenly the trainer wheels and support falls away and it becomes an undocumented mess as soon as you want to get serious

>things go from bad to worse as Mono periodically shits the bed and exhibits undocumented weird behavior when doing mundane tasks and provided prefabricated asset samples prove not to be robust or correct in anything but a basic configuration

>none of the pain points are well publicized and are usually revealed after large community outcry in huge threads over a dozen pages long

>the army of plebs using the engine for babby's first game work hard to shill these threads with blind loyalty because they can't relate and therefore it's obviously the developer's problem, meaning that prospective developers don't end up reading them before going into the endeavor

Unity is okay if you go into it with the right mindset, that is, that it is hostile territory and that just about every prefabricated thing (be it assets provided by Unity or some inbuilt engine features) you use is your technical debt that you will have to replace later and that the only not objectively awful thing you can rely on is basic scene management and the core engine.

Their implementation of PhysX is inadequate for production use; it is literally impossible to make a realistically weighted car using their wheel collider prefabs, for example.

I speak from experience. Don't use Unity if you're serious because there is a career to be had learning and compensating for its quirks. Get your head around memory management and use a real engine and thank yourself later.

I hate the unreal engine slightly more.

A poor craftsman always blames his tools.

>>13729982

Other things I forgot:

>not built with source control in mind and thus creates mountains of temp files and other cruft with no clear distinction between what is required and what isn't

>their in-house source control is mediocre and expensive

>networking support is awful

>UI design process is baffling and awful

>unity answers is a cheap knockoff of Stack Exchange with swathes of out of date answers and barely correct hacks provided by idiots

>>13729995

You're entitled to like it, but speaking as one who has been trapped and who has a big pile of work stuck forever in Unity that I can never salvage, I insist that Unity is a trap, designed to ensnare programmers without the resources or skill to battle an engine, and it does it with promises that the provided extra functionality is of high quality and will save people time. In reality, you're better off with another more barebones engine that doesn't pretend to be something it's not because your expectations will be correct going into the project. I strongly encourage you to make something in it, something complex enough so you can see the aforementioned quality drop for yourself.

>>13730043

Is that you, Tynan?

>it's broken on my pc and minimizes for no fucking reason

>half of the time not even coming back after it's minimized

any dev using it should be shot

bethesda gamebryo

>>13724460

>cuphead is in unity

Looks like I'll never be able to fucking play it because my computer hates unity.

Thanks for the warning.

>>13724649

>memes

Nice buzzword :^)

ITT people who don't know how game development works

>>13724392

Flash.

Not that it will be around for much longer.

>>13724537

>performance issues

>bugs

this is only applicable for the person who made the game, it's his responsibility to have proper coding, you miserable fucking loser.

learn how game works before shitposting.

>>13733617

Sounds like you're talking out your ass. The delta time returns the fraction of a second since the last frame, and I'd be really surprised if that required more precision than a float.

>>13733617

>int

>0 to 10 returns 0 to 9

>float

>0.0 to 1.0 returns 0.0 to 1.0

That's the functionality you want out of it 99% of the time. I understand, though, it through me for a loop back when I was a pajeet-tier student.

>>13733715

That it could be either [a,b] or [a,b) and the distinction relies on polymorphism is an example of the engine being designed by people who had no business designing anything.

>>13729922

>what is the anti-comitern pact?

Are you the most retarded poster on 8chan or someshit?

>>13724392

99% of the devs that use it. Unity is an alright engine. UE4 is chinkware and Godot is the future.

>>13724649

>I don't really understand why you would deliberately choose to forfeit your individuality and become a stereotype

It's less work than having a personality.

>>13724392

Twine.

Unity is actually not that bad, it happens to attract bad developers. One thing about it that is beyond garbage though is the monetization policy. Once you gross 100k you are required to buy the pro version.. Compared to Unreal's flat 5% of profit scheme (which is much better).

t. messed around in both a little bit. One thing that frustrated me about unreal is that I couldn't seem to directly script an object or particular instance of an object in a regular programming language like unity- however it is a much more professional environment.

Been halfassedly looking for an engine I actually like to mess around in… might look at source, you think?

>>13739945

source is deader than dead, even valve is using unity now for some projects (like the lab).

in the end it depends on your project, unity is fine for certain stuff, same way unreal sucks for certain stuff asf.

maybe wanna check out godot, it's open source unity (basically)

Unreal Engine 4

>>13724591

No, I hate hollow knight because it is objectively a tumblrgame. You are literal genderfluid

>>13745252

g1

>>13724405

>>13724612

>snu snu

Delet this