/v/ - Video Games

>multiplayer games

>windows

>>13607687

>mfw windows users convince themselves their entire platform is about freedom yet run an OS that has been compromised since the 90s

I want to see Windows 10 apologists to defend this.

>>13607713

>windows users convince themselves their entire platform is about freedom

I've only ever seen freetards use this strawman, never actual wangblows users.

>>13607724

Those people do exist, but not here.

Can you at least post a fucking synopsis so we don't have to all click on your link? This is really minimum effort shit.

>Following the recent release of the Windows 10 Fall Creators Update, it has been discovered that Microsoft is building an anti-cheat engine of their own. TruePlay will run as a protected process to help combat cheating by alerting developers of suspicious actions being run on a client machine.

>TruePlay is now part of the Win32 API and is only going to be supported for Universal Windows Platform (UWP) apps. Fortunately for end-users, opting in is not mandatory and you can still launch games even if it is disabled. Instead, developers will be able to make their own choices about how to handle users that have chosen to opt out of using TruePlay. This could allow for publishers to only require gamers to enable the anti-cheat engine for online play and allow users to retain full control when playing offline.

>Cheating can certainly ruin the experience for other players. As a result, developers are generally quick to attempt to ban cheaters. However, the uphill battle is always a struggle since the user base is typically many times larger than the development team. Player Unknown's Battlegrounds developer Bluehole Studios, for example, is currently banning over 13,000 players per day to combat the problem.

>It is unclear what type of effect that TruePlay will have in the gaming community since it will take quite some time before it is fully implemented and adopted by developers. Given that it is limited only to UWP apps, custom and third-party anti-cheat engines are likely to remain the best way to mitigate cheating for the foreseeable future.

https://archive.fo/6Xanr

>>13607740

>XP

at least switch to 7 or just go full linux+WINE

>using windows 10

you deserve this

>>13607743

Nope, I still use X too, 7 is already pozzed.

>>13607747

Nigger Windows has been pozzed from the beginning. The only thing you're getting from using XP is vulnerabilities.

>>13607752

>vulnerabilities

you mean everything after XP

>>13607760

XP can't even run most games or emulators. There is literally no reason to use it unless you are a bug chaser.

>>13607763

>wanting to play modern games

>doesn't know anything about XP

millennial confirmed >>>/reddit/

>>13607668

>the number 1488 is in the link

SHUT THIS ARTICLE DOWN NOW GOYIM

>>13607729

I don't doubt that someone out there has unironically made that claim at one point. However, I've never heard that said unless someone was specifically comparing windows to osx and referring to freedom of choice when it comes to software.

>>13607735

Thanks fam.

>>13607764

I would suggest dual booting and testing shit through WINE.

>>13607769

nice deflecting you autistic hipster.

No matter how many times you post your boogeyman it isn't going to make XP any less shit.

>>13607724

>>13607729

you must not have been here enough, plenty of people boast about dx11 support and freedom in the same list of bullet points.

>>13607814

more like losedows, amirite?

>>13607797

Define "plenty", because I came over during the second exodus and as I said, I've never seen anyone say that.

>>13607740

I warned you about those stairs, Bart.

All the games I play run fine on wine. Even the 1 new one speebot

>>13607680

>(((people)))

Those are either bots or kikes. Or both.

>>13607764

Arx Fatalis has a source port. WINE with Gallium 9 will run all those older games. Emulators work fucking fine. And plenty of games on that list have a Linux port.

I've been playing Stalker CoC for weeks now via WINE with Gallium9 with Mesa drivers, no issues what so ever.

>>13608045

Oh and New Vegas and Dragons Dogma too, loading times are miles faster for me too now.

>only going to be supported for Universal Windows Platform (UWP) apps

So nothing of value lost.

>>13608045

>Stalker CoC

I wish someone would grow some balls and actually add half decent content to it.

>>13608065

There is good shit for it, you just have to look for it. Though it doesn't help that big updates will break mods pretty easily.

>>13608070

Yeah, you do. It's called Windows.

>>13608103

Oh no!!!

>>13607715

Likely the only games that would use TruePlay would also require some directx version that is only useable in Windows 10.

>>13607715

Windows 7 is the last Windows I'll use, but if you want to blame someone then blame cheaters.

>>13607735

>is only going to be supported for Universal Windows Platform (UWP) apps.

>it is limited only to UWP apps

So it's basically only for shitty games from their shitty store. Which pretty much means nobody is even going to know it's even there.

>UWP only

So it's fucking useless.

>>13608227

DX12 is dead on arrival. Even Microsoft's first party games run better on DX11. You'll sooner get DX12 support in WINE than a DX12 game that is worth it.

>>13608250

This is cuck logic.

Cheaters will bypass it. The only one suffering from this malware will be the already meager amount of UWP app users. The blame lies completely with Microsoft.

>>13607668

tbh, Windows is the vidya OS at this point, and habits aside, there's little reason to stick to it for anything else.

Have a Windows 10 install with all your games, and a Linux for everything else. If you must, keep a spare Windows 7 for some specific tasks and tools, like video editing or MS Office, as you slowly transition to Linux because let's face it, it's inevitable.

I'll miss you, Foobar2000, Notepad++, SumatraPDF, 7zip, FlashFXP, Winmerge, Morgoth MP3 Releaser… but I must go.

>>13608359

>Have a Windows 10 install with all your games

Why?

>>13608031

Or virtue signaling numales.

>>13608359

There are a shitload of games that either won't work on windows 10 or will put you through hell just to get them running when they would operate without issue on Windows 7.

>>13608360

>>13608386

But at some point, you'll have to upgrade to Windows 10. Are you too young to remember the painful transitions from DOS to 3.11, 3.11 to 95, 98SE to 2000, 2000 to XP, XP to Vista, Vista to 7, 7 to 8…? and all these people that thought they could resist forever, that we'd find solutions?

Hell, I'd still be running 2000 if I could. And here I am, running Windows 7. I didn't even want to install Steam only to play Half-Life 2 back in the day, let alone Uplay or Origin, because there's no way in hell I'd support this DRM bullshit. And now I've got them all. Unless you want to stick to old, retro games? You'd have a hard time finding a modern, up-to-date emulator for anything that's flawlessly compatible with XP, not that your modern hardware has compatible drivers anyway, and you'd struggle to run most XP-era games in 7 without using obscure community fixes or outdated drivers that break other games. Or you could just stick to old hardware? Eventually, the hardware breaks down, and what will you do then? I don't want to switch to Windows 10 but I know it'll be inevitable at some point.

We've been here many times before. As it stands, whether you're into contemporary or old games, the best platform remains Windows, and the most up-to-date tools and fixes are only compatible with the latest versions, and so is your hardware. When it comes to vidya, there's just no other way if you want to maintain compatibility and upgrade, you either follow the technology or you're left behind, and the best way to keep up is to stick to the oldest Windows you can run.

Hence the needed transition to Linux, which ensures future-proof compatibility, and may tempt more people to try and run Windows games on it, making specific fixes for WINE, instead of wasting their efforts on Windows. It's slow, but it's getting there, and as >>13608045 >>13608050 mentioned, even some modern games manage to run pretty good now. And that's only singleplayer offline games, online games running in tandem with Steam, Origin, Uplay and B.net are a whole other beast, for which, again, we'll have to stick to the oldest Windows we can afford to run, and eventually, once Windows 11/whatever releases, you'll switch to Windows 10.

>>13608406

I'm curious to hear what else could. As I said, habits aside, Linux can do the job. Sure, you have to relearn everything, use new software and shit. But don't deny Linux can do it all- some better, some worse, but it's all there.

>>13608430

>I didn't even want to install Steam only to play Half-Life 2 back in the day, let alone Uplay or Origin, because there's no way in hell I'd support this DRM bullshit. And now I've got them all

Have you ever considered piracy?

>>13608406

epic comeback

>>13608430

>But at some point, you'll have to upgrade to Windows 10

Nope

>>13608430

but anon, win10 is really bad for playing videogames and has nogames, there is no reason for those of us here to switch to it

>>13608448

That's what I've done for years. Then I started to miss playing online. Then I got friends and we all played online. If you want to play some post 2005 multiplayer game, there's no avoiding it.

Not to mention, some devs deserved their money.

>>13608453

Look at the Windows 95 market share today. This is your future.

>>13608430

>But at some point, you'll have to upgrade to Windows 10

Lmao, the day Windows 7 is no longer supported by most stuff is the day I install linux.

>>13608430

>I'd still be running 2000 if I could

>>>/tech/807015

>>13608488

brb formatting, thanks anon.

>>13608453

>>13608482

You could always wait for Windows 11 (or whatever they call it). Maybe it won't be as bad.

>>13608499

Windows Server is an option too. Server is pretty much the version it's based off with some tweaks that you can undo to get a slim, simple desktop. I'm using 2008 R2, which is based off 7, and aside from the occasional game not working properly it's great. Windows 10's server equivalent is 2016. You'd have to pirate these though because Windows Server is expensive.

I'd still recommend Linux but if you need something to play games that don't work on there Windows Server is a good choice.

>>13608486

>lmao

>>>/cuckchan/

>>13608430

>7 to 8

Good thing I can disregard your post.

The best anticheat and the best antipiracy is just to make a game bot worth playing. I'm pretty sure we already mastered that art already.

>>13608615

lmao

>>13608679

>bot

It's supposed "not".

How do you slim down sausage fingers?

>>13608482

Why would anyone give a shit about market share?

>>13608499

Or just switch to linux.

I've been using nothing but crossplatform programs so it'd be easy to just jump over.

>>13608689

fingerbox

>>13608711

>Why would anyone give a shit about market share?

Do I really have to explain the joke?

>>13607724

They do and it cropsup time qnd again about the back doors. The latest so bad it made international headlines

>>13607713

>mfw android replaces windows

Seriously it is getting more and more capable and the industry would kill to make anything that isn't windows computers.

Is cheating in multiplayer games even a big deal? People make it out to be this really widespread thing but after a decade of playing multiplayer stuff I can't say it even came up a lot.

Seems more like a regional issue most of the time, not allowing the Chinese, anyone from any country south of the US border, Russia or anyone from the middle east to play on your servers solves 99% of the issue.

>>13609375

Depends on the game. I've run into the occasional lag switch user or DDoSer, but anticheats won't help much there anyway

>>13609375

Exacly, just regionlock your shit.

>>13609486

>>13609370

>thinking you can disable windows 10 botnet

you're the dumb ones here

>>13609683

Can you sue someone for being an annoying faggot in india?

>>13609486

screencapped for future use as checklist.

>>13608430

>anyone upgrading from 98 to 2000

>from XP to vista

>from 7 to 8

Anon, the Windows evolutionary scale goes 95->98->XP->7

Nobody but a few outliers bothered with any of the steps in between, and I guess normalfags went to 10 because it was free for a while

>>13607668

None of Microsoft's pajeet coders know what general purpose computing is. Not really news there.

It'll be cracked in days, if not hours.

It's the same shit as Valve's and Blizzard's anti-cheat thing. Not sure what the issue is especially since it's exclusive to the Windows store which no one with a brain uses.

>>13607680

That's what you get for being so beta you cheat in games.

>>13609825

That's exactly how the Blizzard's anti-cheat works. It also flags your PC's unique signature and bans you from whatever game they like if you're caught cheating and this lasts forever. Blizzcucks would have to buy an entirely new PC just to play their online game. Admittedly, I'm not updated on Valve's but I read somewhere that Blizzard based their code on Valve's.

>>13609486

>>Not using Visualization

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>>Not Using Encryption

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>>Not having two OS's

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>>Not having a SSD

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>>Not Editing your Win7 OS to remove telemetry via Ancille

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>>Not Editing Hosts

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>>Not Installing Windows XP theme pack

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>>Not using Peerblock to know what fucking Server hosts are trying to look into your shit

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>>Not using a VPN

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>>Not also usign a home VPN usign ever electronic device you have at your disposal

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>>Not making use of Free Amazon serverspace

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>>Not using Pirated Comodo internet security

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>>Not Using Wise Registry cleaner

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>>Not using Palemoon with Ublock and Umatrix

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>>Not Using Deluge

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>>Not Having Tor

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>>Not Using Fileshredder

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>>Not having Locales installed for Japan and other Asian countries so you don't get boxes and bad text from japanese named image formats

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>>Not using Privoxy

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>>Not Using OPENDNS or benchmarking your DNS via supplied online tools such as DNS Bench

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>>Not Optimizing your TCP

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>>Not Updating your sound drivers

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>>Not installing the correct management tools for the clusterfuck of software for your graphics card to be arranged appropriately

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>>Not using Bionus Imageboard grabber with 1000+ sources added for all Chan-based porn fads at the tip of a few crashes and trial and errors

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>>not using Hydrus

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>>Not Bug Reporting

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>>Not talking shit at all times

tl;dr

Just unplug your internet retardbro.

>inb4 "THE GOVERNMENT IS STILL GOING TO DRIVE MICROWAVE VANS TOWARDS MY HOUSE AND USE THEM TO MAKE MY COMPUTER TURN ON AND SEND THEM MY PIZZA COLLECTION THROUGH THE AIR INSTEAD OF JUST WALKING INTO MY HOUSE AND SHOOTING ME"

>>13608430

>>13608499

I'm pretty sure Microsoft said something about they want Windows 10 to be the final windows and keep to updating it endlessly Which we all know will hit the point where it's unsustainable eventually, but eventually can be a long fucking time

>>13608270

>This is cuck logic.

This is mental retardation. Cheaters are the ones responsible.

>>13607668

>Instead, developers will be able to make their own choices about how to handle users that have chosen to opt out of using TruePlay. This could allow for publishers to only require gamers to enable the anti-cheat engine for online play and allow users to retain full control when playing offline.

So people who want to play games have to choose between ransomware or not playing games, while cheaters are just going to spoof the process.

Real smart stuff.

>>13608430

>But at some point, you'll have to upgrade to Windows 10.

But I don't.

>>13608430

>But at some point, you'll have to upgrade to Windows 10.

>I don't want to switch to Windows 10 but I know it'll be inevitable at some point.

Wrong.jpg

I jumped ship from windows to loonix ever since MS rolled out 8. Nowadays the only windows system I have is a quarantined and offline w7 for some adobe shit.

>As I said, habits aside, Linux can do the job. Sure, you have to relearn everything, use new software and shit. But don't deny Linux can do it all- some better, some worse, but it's all there.

Saying you have to learn new software is one thing. Saying you have to relearn everything? That's bullshit pajeet talk or you never looked at linux past the 1990s. If you can move a mouse and read basic english you can use the majority of desktop oriented distros.

>>13609341

>Seriously it is getting more and more capable and the industry would kill to make anything that isn't windows computers.

android is an overhead disaster. windows isn't perfect but at least there's a few modes for low latency that work pretty well.

Genuinely though one of the only reasons windows is still kicking around is because of legacy software? Which kind of sucks dick.

Time to write a TruePlay spoofer that shuts down the actual TruePlay and sends false heartbeats.

>>13610525

>Genuinely though one of the only reasons windows is still kicking around is because of legacy software? Which kind of sucks dick.

Legacy software and gayming is pretty much the only things left for them and MS is still somehow fucking that up for themselves.

>>13610650

Speaking of which

Anyone know what the status is on ReactOS Virtualized for backwards compatibility for older windows software?

I recall it being a bit better than Wine

>>13610663

>Raspberry Pi

>When generic tinkerboards exist, have stronger hardware and you can get a not retarded OS

>>13610659

I have not followed ReactOS closely since it's not really my thing. That said I know of a few businesses that are still running XP even now, and might be biding their time to look for or switch to something else entirely because they really do not want to deal with W10 bullshit at all.

>>13610698

I haven't either, though a good deal of software is Vista compatible or older, so ReactOS coming together better would be ridiculously good for killing off Microsoft's ingrained support in the industry just through Legacy software

>>13609370

I'm testing a build of LTSB that I customized using DSIM to remove cortana, telemetry and most of the other bloat.

Gonna post the obvious solution here:

>Boot in safe mode

>Replace the TruePlay process exe with an empty dummy exe

>Reboot

The system will see a TruePlay process running, but it won't actually be doing anything.

>>13607680

In my younger edgier years, I used to wish that anybody who cheats in online games would be instantly detected and killed. I'm more on board with the killing than fucking with someone's computer. That's just not cool, man.

>>13607740

>windows xp

>not just using linux at that point

Holy fuck you're retarded.

>>13607735

OP is a faggot (as usual) but anon delivers. Also OP didn't even use an archive link. Fucking retard.

>>13607764

Most low-resource stuff works with Wine out of the box. Some games require a bit of configuring but there are a lot of resources on that. It's very rare that low-end/older stuff is non-functional.

As for modern stuff, it doesn't always run, but when it does, it almost always runs noticeably better on Linux (for my hardware anyway). Windows is bloated as fuck and it's kind of ridiculous that any still thinks it has anything on Linux. Even ease-of-use has died out, because Windows interfaces get increasingly retarded with each update since XP (except 7).

>>13610663

>I only play JRPGs: the post

kill yourself

>>13611260

This

>>13609808

>taking the option to make you stronger than the competition and indisputably the king, often making most people flee the second they see you

>beta

Dropped on the head as a kid, lad?

>>13610663

>PS4 and the Switch is where it goes, and for emulation you pick a Raspberry Pi

Kill yourself cucksole owner.

>end users can opt out

gee, where have I heard that before?

>>13608359

All this software is crap.

>Notepad++

Embrace Emacs, faggot.

The real reason for this is not an anti cheat, they want game developers to use this and then later make it mandatory, gamers that want the latest games will have to make the switch, No wine, no XP, and no 7. Taqiyasoft is doing the same with secure boot, there's platforms that FORCE you to use it and you are unable to use any non-windows installs.

>>13626548

>Emacs

What a shitty OS.

>>13607668

>71488

>1488

>Followed by Jewshit

What did Microsoft meme by this

>>13610424

>I jumped ship from windows to loonix ever since MS rolled out 8. Nowadays the only windows system I have is a quarantined and offline w7 for some adobe shit.

So you don't play vidya, let alone online vidya? The trash is where your post belongs. Because obviously if you only use Windows offline on old hardware to run old software, you don't have that issue. But playing online games on modern hardware with up-to-date drivers is an entirely different issue. And you happen to be on /v/.

>If you can move a mouse and read basic english you can use the majority of desktop oriented distros.

You may as well run a bloated Win10 with ASUS, HP and nVidia utils installed. Don't forget Norton antivirus. Hell, even vanilla Windows isn't usable out of the box until you've installed a ton of extra utilities, such as a capable archiving software, a non-bloated PDF reader, a non-botnet music player, an anal-probe-free web browser… of which most of the best are Windows only, so you can't even run most of that software on Linux and need to find new alternatives.

If you want a sleek Linux that just works, just like Windows, you have to do it yourself, and that'll take as much time as it took you to be comfy on Windows. A distro is nothing more than a kernel bundled with a software suite, and that software suite has the exact same fucking problems as any flavor of Windows, because I sure as hell won't be using those retarded dock bars, GUIs coded by retards with non-standard shortcuts, bloated video players with atrocious codec support, picture viewers that waste more CPU cycles loading Instagram filters rather than showing you the picture, and a lot more stupid shit. Because if that really is your opinion on Linux today, that makes your opinion on Windows even less relevant.

>>13626548

>All this software is crap.

I'm waiting for better suggestions fag.

>>13610663

>Cuckberry Pi

>binary blobs

>locked down video decoding hardware

>big fucking meme platform

>>13610722

Also that.

That's why you go Banana Pi and give your shekels to the Chinese.

Or just buy better hardware.

>>13627934

>it's not undocumented and it's not "OS"

seeing how there's already a undocumented api thread on a popular cheat site showing of so far 84 undocumented api calls so far so pls go ahead and tell me more

>All UWP apps are sandboxed so the API will only have access to its own process box

not how that works

>UWP is not win32.

no shit sherlock

>>13607797

>plenty of people boast about dx11 support and freedom in the same list of bullet points.

So the other anon was right, you are just propping up a strawman. Wangblows is for vidya, Loonix is for everything else.

>>13628069

>using systemDick

If you can install and use linux you can invest an hour into finding a good distro that isn't just one of the few giants.

The audio stack in linux still sucks though, but there are pipewire and Redox's audio stack that could restore some sanity.

>>13627871

>So you don't play vidya, let alone online vidya?

Don't even try that shit you illiterate faggot.

Can you parse: w7 for some adobe shit.

>But playing online games on modern hardware with up-to-date drivers is an entirely different issue. And you happen to be on /v/.

2 Loonix boxes for that, not running WINE either. Either it's native or Steam on Linux. One has a more current pascal based GPU. Both running fine for the games I want, including online ones.

>You may as well run a bloated Win10 with ASUS, HP and nVidia utils installed. Don't forget Norton antivirus. Hell, even vanilla Windows isn't usable out of the box until you've installed a ton of extra utilities, such as a capable archiving software, a non-bloated PDF reader, a non-botnet music player, an anal-probe-free web browser… of which most of the best are Windows only, so you can't even run most of that software on Linux and need to find new alternatives.

Wew. Great job on selling me the qualities of W10. Maybe if you keep saying

you may as well

over and over you'll get more takers for your beloved MS bull.

>If you want a sleek Linux that just works, just like Windows, you have to do it yourself, and that'll take as much time as it took you to be comfy on Windows.

That's some grade A bullshit you're peddling. See unlike you I actually have installed and tried linux distros and W10. On real machines not just virtual either. And your blatherings can only come from someone who has no first hand knowledge of what they're talking about, or the usual pajeet tier FUDs.

>because I sure as hell won't be using those retarded dock bars,

Protip pajeet: you can choose different DEs that has no dock bars, you can even go without a DE if you go full turbo autist with it which I don't recommend for most people. I've seen first hand people who have used XP and 7 switch to an XFCE or MATE based distro with little help at all. But it's crystal clear that you think linux is one single distro, which marks you as an out and out retard or a liar.

>>13632314

>Can you parse: w7 for some adobe shit.

Yeah, it means "I make no mention of playing video games in my post".

>2 Loonix boxes for that, not running WINE either. Either it's native or Steam on Linux.

>Both running fine for the games I want.

>the games I want

Sounds like a perfect general purpose solution anon, well played! Vidya on Linux is well known to be fucking awesome, with so many titles to play! I'm awfully sorry to have forgotten to mention all these gems!

>Maybe if you keep saying

>you may as well

>over and over you'll get more takers for your beloved MS bull.

My whole post was about the growing need for everyone to switch to Linux and make it a more viable vidya platform, because for now we are bound to Windows by necessity. It makes no mention of me being in absolute love for Windows, quite the opposite really.

>That's some grade A bullshit you're peddling.

Well then enjoy those shitty choices made by retarded distros.

>Protip pajeet: you can choose different DEs that has no dock bars

Protip retard: you can configure a DE to remove the dock bar, which appears more convenient, and that indeed involves some work on your side. I mean, it's more convenient than switching to an entirely different distro, plus no matter what DE you use, you'll likely have to configure it unless you happen to be perfectly satisfied with its default config, and if that's your case, congratulations are in order.

Otherwise, you'll be looking into replacing both the DE and WM, and either you have to format everything just to switch it, or you try to setup another on a distro pretty much tailored for one, which is an adventure worthy of an epic tale that leaves many with a badly configured WM that fails to start, a computer that's unresponsive, and that is impossible to fix without advanced computer skills to switch to a different tty and fix it like a boss. Which is certainly not the definition of "easy". And at the end of the day, you only have a generic DE. Big fucking whoop, now where's my decent text editor, picture viewer, capable GUI archiver, well-designed music player, working wifi widget…?

You seem to be taking your personal experience of Linux and your low standards as the baseline, which shows how little experience you have with it. As of today, you'd have to be extremely lucky to run into zero issues, have everything that just works, AND be satisfied with the packaged software. Even in 2017, shit like Ubuntu can have some HUGE fuck ups, and if you think that's not the case, browse the Ubuntu forums, and see how many people desperately try to have shit fixed only to be told "rtfm", "please format" or "buy new hardware".

As it stands, Windows is the best platform for vidya, and Linux isn't Windows. You don't like it, I don't like it, but facts don't care about our feelings, and no amount of delusions about fringe Linux vidya, nor magical DEs, are going to change that today.

>>13640734

>Sounds like a perfect general purpose solution anon, well played! Vidya on Linux is well known to be fucking awesome, with so many titles to play! I'm awfully sorry to have forgotten to mention all these gems!

And I bet you're the type that laments how there is so much garbage AAA and shovelware for wangblows, yet turn around and say lol linux doesn't have the same amount of garbage as windows. What's next, complain about how you have to type in terminals to use anything in linux?

>My whole post was about the growing need for everyone to switch to Linux and make it a more viable vidya platform, because for now we are bound to Windows by necessity. It makes no mention of me being in absolute love for Windows, quite the opposite really.

Wrong. Your butthole already got ravaged here >>13608430

>But at some point, you'll have to upgrade to Windows 10.

Your whole posting history shows a clear bias and ignorance, yet now you want to backpedal with some bullshit about "I'm trying to make everyone switch to linux honest".

>you can configure a DE to remove the dock bar, which appears more convenient, and that indeed involves some work on your side.

Confirmed that you don't know what the fuck you're peddling. This mythical omnipresent dockbar that comes in your mythical one true linux distro only exists in your MS addled mind. Where there is only 1 distro apparently, and it haunts you with it's dock bar.

>You seem to be taking your personal experience of Linux and your low standards as the baseline, which shows how little experience you have with it. As of today, you'd have to be extremely lucky to run into zero issues, have everything that just works, AND be satisfied with the packaged software.

First you claim linux is hard. Then you claim if it works, it's using low standards as a the baseline. And shows little experience. Name the actual distro that ravaged your butthole this hard. Name it. Was it Ubuntu with unity DE, be specific next time you're trying to climb every mountain Todd. Was it Hannah Montana Linux?

https://archive.is/SvgBQ

THERE YOU GO LAZY FAGGOT

>>13608359

>>>/shill/

>>13644053

How should i avoid going into panic attacks over videos like this and realizing again everything i write is being stored on servers in Langley, NSA headquarters and also Google for good measure?

>>13608070

I suggest you delete system32 to fix it.

How many years late am I now to make this ebin joke? God damn it, time flies.

>>13645451

Your PC is your private place. If you have a file on your computer and you haven't uploaded it, Google can't access it. The NSA might be able to, but unless you're of interest to them it's not worth their time. Your PC is yours to control, pretty much.

Meanwhile Microsoft baked insecurity into the OS itself. The private place that is your computer isn't private anymore. The place you dictate the rules to is being pulled out of your control. A file just sitting there is something which can be harvested. It's like if you couldn't run your own house.

Coincidentally, Canonical just released a new version of Ubuntu. If your computer has the specs for it, go download Virtualbox and at least try it. If you like it you can exclusively use your Windows 10 machine for vidya and stick your important documents and work on something more secure.

If you don't want to do that, see if you can get a copy of Windows 10 LTSB. It's heavily stripped down, and a lot better than the normal version. No Cortana, no shitty games installed without your permission, and when you set settings they stay set.

>>13644053

oh, so just like every other version of windows.

Watch this shit fail like the rootkit sony installed to stop CD pirates.

Linux dual booted with windows 7 > alles

>>13607724

Its their primary argument against people who use macs, which are the only people they argue with because they don't know what the heck a linucks is.

I'm sick of this obvious software xbawx ploy. Many time and again, /v/rigins keep saying that games is the only reason they get windows. Outside of the inept users that Microsoft baited and mass volume license customers, I think this is the only other significant userbase is PC gamers.

The moment *nix userland fixes their shit (by userland, I mean the day when X11 finally dies for wayland), I will be a happy man.

>>13648017

Fedora switched to Wayland by default a while ago, and the new Ubuntu does it too now. I've heard Wayland has issues with Nvidia cards, but at least now there's some pressure for them to improve their support.

>>13607814

shitty unfunny reddit post my nigger

>enable TruePlay

>use my haxxor skills to edit them at the hardware level

Get on my level, plebians

>>13643204

Keep deluding yourself about what you think, or what you think you read, but please don't come to post about it on the internet. Also enjoy your 12 games.

>>13665174

>Also enjoy your 12 games.

>1f8350 won't name the distro where the dock bar that seems to exist in all types of distros gave him such a hassle

>because the only linux 1f8350 ever used was looking up the word Ubuntu on a search engine

12 games is about the same amount of worthwhile titles that are coming out for windows lately, and that's being generous. Curious isn't it how assravaged you are when someone says they play the games they want to play. Do you want people to play what they don't want or don't enjoy instead? Or play what you want to shill? Why are you so eager to get everyone to "may as well" use Windows 10, get all the latest games and ONLINE. Who the fuck talks like that. Oh right. >>13643367 nailed it.

You should've stopped much earlier, pajeet.

>Universal Windows Platform

Ha haa, it's nothing.

But in general, after Microsoft locking down the kernel, only Microsoft is now in the position to make an effective anti-cheat. So this is both necessary and anti-competitive.

>>13607668

>>13607680

>Windows 10

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew

>>13667593

First you misread a post that encourages playing vidya on Linux, then you post about playing vidya on Linux, acting like your choice of vidya to play that is good enough for you should be good enough for everyone, then you act like you'd be wrong to use Windows that has the most games, up-to-date drivers, and fixes for old games, just because of those 12 games you can play on Linux, and then you pretend Linux is quite easy and getting used to it is simple, because there certainly is a perfect distro for anyone out there and they can just switch to it and everything will be fine, aswell as perfect DEs, just like Windows users are perfectly fine with a vanilla Windows install, then you rant about dock bars when it's just one generic example of the many issues you may have with a configuration which you'd have to fix yourself, disregarding the other examples of bad software, or non-standard shortcuts, or the countless other things that could be, from window focus behavior to printer management, and when I talk about YOUR low standards to be accepting those generic configurations, you act like I criticized Linux as a whole.

You're not even making sense at this point, you surely forget what we were even talking about. What I was saying is, Windows is the best for vidya, and no amount of grasping at straws ain't gonna change that.

Also if you really want to know, I'm generally using Alpine and CentOS myself, but clearly I've seen more than one docking bar, especially back then when OSX started the trend, and I've certainly seen one in default configs on Dreamlinux, Elementary, Debian, Fedora, SUSE, and pretty much anything KDE and Gnome3 these days. And then there's certainly the Ubuntu case. But again, this is only one of the many things you want to customize, which is why there are so many damn distros in the first place.

Do you want to talk about keyboard shortcuts now? What's your favorite shortcut for "Get to line"? It's traditionally Ctrl+G, but some, like Gedit, would rather use Ctrl+I, and others like Geany prefer Ctrl+L. And what about F6 for selecting the path, or Shift+F10 for right-clicking?

>>13628553

Thanks, Stallman. Enjoy this GNU thank post I made, too. I made it all myself and it's available for all to use as they please.

>>13608430

It took me literally like 10+ years to change from vista to 7. I was REALLY considering getting 10 instead because of this line of thinking. Getting 7 was the best decision I ever made.

>>13608070

Yes.

>all the GNU fags here

>General Public Cancer license

The only true free OS is BSD

>>13669488

>just because of those 12 games you can play on Linux

Appears to be quite more than 12 on Steam and seems to be growing. But I'm sure you'll say something like it doesn't count until it reaches absolute parity. But it is more than just the 12 in your portable goalpost.

> that is good enough for you should be good enough for everyone

Who was it that wrote

>>13608430

>But at some point, you'll have to upgrade to Windows 10

It ain't me babe.

> then you act like you'd be wrong to use Windows that has the most games, up-to-date drivers, and fixes for old games,

Wrong. People noticed your shill behavior the moment you doubled down with Windows10 shilling. Now you want to backtrack as if you were just talking about windows in general, own your lies Todd.

>then you rant about dock bars when it's just one generic example of the many issues you may have with a configuration which you'd have to fix yourself

You got called out on your bullshit, that's your problem not mine.

>I'm generally using Alpine and CentOS

>Alpine and CentOS

A security and enterprise focused distro in the context of gaming. Which makes about as much sense as someone using Windows CE for their PC master race gaming.

>but clearly I've seen more than one docking bar, especially back then when OSX started the trend, and I've certainly seen one in default configs on Dreamlinux, Elementary, Debian, Fedora, SUSE,

>Elementary

Elementary uses Pantheon and aims to get the Macfags audience, why the fuck would you be surprised it has a dock bar as a standard.

>KDE and Gnome3

DEs that are known for having a dockbar standard or easily included in. Do you also complain when you see KFC having fried chicken on the menu. Well you probably won't since you're a nigger.

>Do you want to talk about keyboard shortcuts now? What's your favorite shortcut for "Get to line"? It's traditionally Ctrl+G, but some, like Gedit, would rather use Ctrl+I,

Ah yes basically the old "you must type everything if you're using linux" shit then huh shill. I wonder, do you ask the same question for something like 3DSmax, Maya, Mudbox. They're all Autodesk 3D creation software in one way or another yet their keyboard shortcuts are not all the same.

But speaking of breaking non standard windows convention, how did w8 do with it's UI. That metro style UI was such a huge hit wasn't it. All the users from 7 just loving the fuck out of that touch tablet UI on the desktop.

>>13608499

Microsoft already crossed the line with all the spying and backdoors. Why would they suddenly make a new OS that reverses all that revenue from selling people's information?

>>13627871

You sound like you haven't even touched Linux

>>13647607

Ubuntu just recently moved to Wayland so I wouldn't suggest using it. Might not be ok with some games.

>>13670544

>cuck license

>>13607814

i giggle at these over the top greentexts.

>>13668854

Because they have MONEY. Haha why listen to logic and reason when you can shovel truckloads of dollar bills at everything until something sticks? It fucking works like magic just ask nintendo they fuck up at every step they've taken in the past 10+ years and still are chugging along just fine

>>13671021

>People noticed your shill behavior the moment you doubled down with Windows10 shilling.

I'll just redirect you to my first post which you haven't understood: >>13608430

Because I noticed you were 12 from your first post, considering I could very well quote any post from any Windows transition to reply to you, seeing how at each single one, we've seen the same claims of "being a Microsoft employee", like when the Win98SE crowds claimed NOTHING would have them switch to Whistler, EVER. We've been here many times before, and really we must all be shills if we've upgraded past 98SE.

Drivers, compatibility, fixes and mods aren't an opinion, they're a fact, and updating your OS is called getting on with the times, otherwise as I said, I'd still be running 2000. Or do you want me to screencap your post, so that I can show it to you some 10 years from now, when you act like Win10 is perfectly fine and anyone talking about upgrading to Win11 must be a shill?

History repeats itself and so do you. Nice job realizing docking bars are in fact LARGELY WIDE FUCKING SPREAD, though.

>>13680001

>we must all be shills if we've upgraded past 98SE.

Nice try shill. You'd be closer to the type of fucker who would bleat about may as well use Bob, or crying about how everyone should hop on very early Vista, or defend 8.0's Metro UI on a desktop being not so bad goyim, really. After all as long as it's the very latest thing, it's good and should always be trusted.

>when you act like Win10 is perfectly fine and anyone talking about upgrading to Win11 must be a shill?

Outside of that quarantined test bed machine scenario, I don't use 10 and never will, do you know where you are Todd? Most people here still use 7, or 8.1 at most for their windows based gaming. I don't put my computing or gaming eggs in a single windows basket post 7.

>Drivers, compatibility, fixes and mods aren't an opinion, they're a fact, and updating your OS is called getting on with the times,

Nice backtracking attempt, now it's "OS", as if anyone that isn't on windows is running a linux distro disc from the 90s.

>docking bars are in fact LARGELY WIDE FUCKING SPREAD

Confirmed again that you are a retard or a liar. You don't get a docking bar unless you can not see the screenshot of the distro you are trying out. Funny how in all the times so far me installing and using distros with DEs that has no dockbar, not a single instance of a dockbar jumped out of nowhere post installation.

Because if it doesn't show it on the tin, it doesn't come with a dock bar unless I specifically go out of my way to install such a thing.

>but muh Mac lookalike Elementary distro and other stuff that has a dockbar that I can not see right on their fucking official webpage screenshots

A distro that caters to macfag audiences having an OSX style dockbar. Are you genuinely Windows10 level retarded.

Say something else for us, Todd. Perhaps," may as well install W10 for the latest version of candy crush and windows store."

>>13681749

>You don't get a docking bar unless you can not see the screenshot of the distro you are trying out

>screenshot of the distro

And I am supposedly the guy that doesn't know shit about Linux. Hilarious.

See you in 10 years brah.

>>13683890

>And I am supposedly the guy that doesn't know shit about Linux. Hilarious.

Todd, you proved it multiple times in the thread. Do you understand that you can find out about distros before you even install it? Or even test it without installing it permanently? That if you wanted a distro without a preinstalled dockbar, you don't use Elementary, a distro that explicitly caters to macfag audiences with it's DE, one that even shows it right there on their website how it looks.

Maybe look at the multiple distros that caters to more pre Metro windows like UI and without any OSX style dockbar pre-installed instead. Of which anyone with a search engine, eyes and a brain can figure out, yet still eludes you somehow. The problem is not the distro or even computers, it's PEBCAK, Todd, it's you.

>See you in 10 years brah.

Are you going to shill the Zune2 or Smartpipe by then. It'll be the latest thing, may as well amirite.