[ / / / / / / / / / / / / / ] [ dir / random / 93 / biohzrd / hkacade / hkpnd / tct / utd / uy / yebalnia ]

/tg/ - Traditional Games

Roll to save against cancer

Name
Email
Subject
REC
STOP
Comment *
File
Password (Randomized for file and post deletion; you may also set your own.)
Archive
* = required field[▶Show post options & limits]
Confused? See the FAQ.
Embed
(replaces files and can be used instead)
Oekaki
Show oekaki applet
(replaces files and can be used instead)
Options
dicesidesmodifier

Allowed file types:jpg, jpeg, gif, png, webp,webm, mp4, mov, swf, pdf
Max filesize is16 MB.
Max image dimensions are15000 x15000.
You may upload5 per post.


File: d45ed4c164d4c4f⋯.png (1.1 MB,800x791,800:791,ClipboardImage.png)

 No.421758

These terms have a lot of overlap with eachother; Enchantment Magic seems to be half artifice, half mind control stuff, while Illusion is altering the perception of reality.

How do you handle the semantics of such in your campaigns?

____________________________
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.

 No.421759

Enchantment is taking a sword and making it shoot fire that kills people.

Illusion is taking a sword and fooling people into thinking the stuff you're shooting out of it is fire.

Artifice is making a sword that already shoots fire on its own.

Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.

 No.421761

>>421759

Well, in D&D, Enchantment is controlling minds, and compelling people to do things. I think that the difference is between the different uses of the word enchantment, as in echanting, or enchanted, which can be a synonym for magical, or being charmed by beauty. So, OP seems to be right when he says that the difference is semantic.

Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.

 No.421762

>>421761

>Dorks and Dweebs

Oh, OP should have specified that he was being system-specific.

Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.

 No.421763

>>421762

I'm not really, since this distinction comes up in different system. But yes, it does primarily pop up in D&D.

Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.

 No.421767

>>421758

You're really going to have to elaborate more clearly, because I'm having trouble figuring out what the fuck you're trying to say. Examples would be handy and go a long way to understanding what it is you're trying to say beyond "these things are like these other things"

Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.

 No.421768

>>421767

Basically, terms like Enchantment and Illusion tend to ultimately mean the same thing (mind-affecting magic). However, enchantment/enchanting is also commonly used to mean imbuing items with magical properties.

Basically, you have Enchantment meaning two different things; mind-affecting magic and imbuing magic into objects (Artifice).

I'm trying to see how people try to distinguish them.

Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.

 No.421769

>>421768

>I'm trying to see how people try to distinguish them.

Why?

Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.

 No.421770

File: 7a8f35211d93c1c⋯.jpg (189.94 KB,800x1096,100:137,1333205707520.jpg)

>>421768

First off, depends on the system and all that usual conditional stuff. If we're talking straight schools of magic, then the Enchantment school is typically straight mind affecting spells that directly alter the way someone thinks and acts directly. The Illusion school is for spells that create sensory deception. Spells that can trick people by making people believe that they are seeing or hearing something without directly controlling how they think and act.

The semantics there can be a bit confusing and I can see how you could argue that Illusions are also mind affecting, but the difference is that most illusion magic has a sort of real existence. It's a real fake image or a convincing recreation of a sound, just magically produced. Meanwhile, something like a Charm spell caused a direct and distinct change in the attitude and mentality of its victim. Where you seem to be getting hung up is on the double meaning of Enchant, which can mean "to imbue with magic" as well as "to charm or influence", in which case the solution is simple: Just understand that Enchantment School Magic is not imbuing magic into the minds of its victims, but placing magic on the minds of its victims.

Additionally, while the meaning of "enchanted" can refer to a magical item which has been imbued with powers, Enchanted Items, when they are rarely called that, are not meant to be understood as "Items With Enchantment School Magic Cast Upon Them", which is where Artifice Magic comes in, which relates specifically to the creation of Magical Artifacts, AKA, Items imbued with magical power.

Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.

 No.422251

Generally speaking, enchantment means adding magical properties to an item. Illusion means illusion, pretty straughtforward. Artifice is a more broad term and could encompass enchantment but generally leans more towards crafting items than enchanting existing ones, though the crafting process could include adding magical properties.

DnD of course uses the terma differently, but DnD is trash so we won't worry about that.

Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.

 No.422255

You can use illusions to trick a zombie but you cannot use enchantment to charm him.

Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.

 No.422572

>>421761

What about esp/telepathy is that enchantment divination illusion

Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.

 No.422573

>>422572

Telepathy is considered Evocation or just Psionics.

Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.

 No.422586

>>422572

depends on what you are doing, mind control is enchantment, mind reading and esp are typically divination; or just psionics for both. You could say that enchantment is controlling or subverting the will, illusion is controlling or deceiving the senses, and divination is magically obtaining information.

Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.



[Return][Go to top][Catalog][Nerve Center][Random][Post a Reply]
Delete Post [ ]
[]
[ / / / / / / / / / / / / / ] [ dir / random / 93 / biohzrd / hkacade / hkpnd / tct / utd / uy / yebalnia ]