/tf2/ - Team Fortress 2

they really fucked up this time.

valve seems to really love w+m1.

>>3712

Here's an easy to read list of weapon changes if anyone is looking for it: https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Tough_Break_Update#Tweaked_Weapons

And here's the weapon skins: https://imgur.com/a/yQ3PV

This update sure is a tough break for everyone who plays this game.

I think the biggest thing I hate is the faster general weapon swap speed. Weapon haggling is a huge part of TF2, and making swapping weapons less punishing is a bad thing.

ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS???

BEHEAD THOSE WHO SUPPORT PHLOGISTINATORS

I mean, people who bitch about w+m1 are mostly tards who are unfamiliar with using the S key against closer-range classes, but that is some bullshit.

Let's go over how much they assfucked the formerly most awesome class:

>heals for extinguishing

I mean great, sure, now I'm a god, but I never realized even TF2 was subject to further "casualization". We have to incentivize extinguishing so retarded shitty pyros will do it otherwise their teams will cry and we don't want the kiddies to have any bad feelings.

Not even a slight short speed boost or defense buff or anything, straight up Black Box style babby heals.

>Consecutive Airblasts will no longer prevent enemies from air-strafing until they touch the ground

Hey, good, that's like a quarter as good as getting rid of the fucking retarded stun that made airblasting good and cool rather than something I have to do to survive in the first place but which then renders my enemy helpless and ruins the gameplay for both of us.

>flamethrower damage falloff has been decreased

Oh, perfect, Valve. Perfect thing to fuck with. Good job, five fucking stars. What's better than downplaying the "being close to sources of heat gets you burned by hotter flame" thing in favor of it being more like a retarded shotgun.

>Degreaser

Tell me I'm fucking dreaming.

>switched to afterburn penalty

>added fucking airblast cost

>fucked with switch speeds…in this and in entire game

>REMOVED THE FUCKING DAMAGE PENALTY

Great. Wonderful. No, that totally doesn't make the strange with full parts and name and description I'd been levelling stupid and meaningless, not at all. Just wonderful, Valve. Good going you fucking idiots.

>Phlog

>REMOVED FUCKING DAMAGE PENALTY

>90% isn't enough, has to be invulnerable to telefrags and get le auto crits and can't even be fucking moved because hurr magic

I hope someone actually finds out who's responsible for this one and beats them badly.

JUST

FUCK

MY

CLASS

UP

All I wanted was +10 max health or an item that gave it, not for Valve to go full fucking retard and coddle every moron with le edgy pyromaniac fantasies.

>>3716

But that's not all! Look at the demoknight fuckery.

>universal shield bash ALWAYS

>magic debuff removal for built-in game move

>but it's slower equip! Which means the same because everything else is faster equip!

>now every demo weapon is different for no good reason and the claidheamh is just a headtaker clone without benefits like nessie's

>utterly meaningless fucking with the already-raped Ullapool

Frankly, nerfing the Loose Cannon's knockback and projectile speed was completely called for because that was always bullshit, but they nerfed too hard and damage reduction was bullshit.

>deploy and holster time should totally be different we're geniuses!

>cuntsmen can dropfire and jumpfire for maximum fucking bullshit even though that's specifically a weapon you can't do that with competently even if you could jump while firing a sniper rifle

>cozy camper regen fucking quadrupled for maximum bullshit

>even more DR for the DR so spies can herp and derp however they like and noobs can use it easily

>Panic Attack even more bullshit because you can stalk anyone and blow your whole load on them at will, not even a semblance of Beggar's Bazooka just utter faggotry

>Reserve Shooter now exclusively for combo spamming bullshit

>zatoichi less directly OP but way more bullshit prone with overheal, and the entire fucking cool thing about it nerfed and casualized and softened the fuck up

>they…nerfed…the…market…gardener…

>took away only interesting thing about parachute

>concherer now a retard-tier run-and-hide-for-quick-regen piece of shit

>point of beggars bazooka now lost

>wrap assassin "normalized"

Did they hire some retarded SJWs on justice cred who'd barely played the game and let them run this shit?

The phlog buff is pretty fucking stupid. They almost had the thing fair before the update.

Generally Pyro looks like a clusterfuck now, so that's something.

Zatoichi is ok now, but they really only needed to remove random crits.

Panic Attack looks decent now

Tideturner got nerfed, so totally fine

Couldn't really give a shit about the rest except the engineer nerf, which I can't believe nobody has mentioned yet.

It's not like engineer was too hard, but encouraging sapper spam like that is so god damn brutal.

>>3718

"Decent" in that you can just hide behind a wall for a second or two and pop out to spooge massive damage all over anyone remotely close to you with a secondary?

Engi sort of deserves more sapper spam. Level 3 sentries are still bullshit when you get more than 2 in the same area.

>>3716

Before you have an aneurysm try this tactic.

1. Turn off flames (viewmodel_fov 0.1)

2. Degreaser/shotgun/powerjack

3. Get behind and just flame people

4. Try to stay at the max flame range and lead players into your fire. Circle strafe.

Think of the shotgun as added dps and not your primary means of doing damage like before. Flamethrower DPS is really good now at range.

>>3721

You misunderstand my post.

Degreaser is not nerfed in my opinion, it's just shit and pointless. The trade-off between swap speed and damage reduction was what made it fun. There was strategy involved. After they added the airblast stun it took the fun out of airblasting people, and puff-sting combos with the flare gun or axtinguisher were never fun, but it was nice to be able to swap quickly to the homewrecker to take off sappers and get a quick flare in on a retreating person who tried to ambush you.

Sneaking, strafing, reflecting, killing anyone who tries to run, spreading panic. That's what's unique and fun about pyro. Yes, I could get much better results if I switched to boring, gimmicky close-range shotgun blasts or airblast stun combos or just use the backburner or the phlog, but if I wanted to just be a faggot about TF2 I'd go sniper full time and quickscope anything under the sun because TF2 sniping is ezmode. Or just be that retarded trickstabbing spy.

>shotgun as primary damage

This is basically as bad as phlog pyros and the reason I want nothing to do with competitive. May as well just take out the other classes and do autistic soldier matches with lots of shotgun blasts and rocket jumping over and over and over (which is extremely popular in comp, actually) if you're not going to play a class emphasizing its class features.

Circle-strafing with degreaser was fine with less damage because it was a challenge, it made you think and didn't reward w+m1 or indiscriminately approaching enemies. Now it's just stock with faster switch for more autismblasts from shotgun or more shitty airblast-sting combos with stunlock, and full damage, but it rewards people ambushing pyros because lolnerfedafterburn and demoknights can go full retard and shake off afterburn entirely. Without the degreaser, with the phlog even more buffed and still with that stupid taunt-for-crit, pyro is now designed entirely for w+m1 and spamming bullshit combos, just a short-range heavy. Now babbies crying about W+M1 actually have a point.

>Flamethrower DPS is really good now at range.

I KNOW, IT SUCKS

>nerfs degreaser

>is still the best flamethrower

This is the worst update of them all.

I'm just gonna redtext and go full capslock to show how angry and valid my points are.

THE ÜBERSAW IS STILL A SHIT WEAPON, WHERE IS THE DRAWBACK TO THAT INSANE THING