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 No.960205>>960208 >>960219 >>960265 >>960350 >>960358 >>960526 >>960634 >>960884 >>961348 >>961588 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

How far can you push open source licenses before people just leave and abandon the entire concept?

I was browsing piracy software earlier and came across this gem for a Switch game key downloader.

>Permission to use, copy, modify, and/or distribute this software for any purpose with or without fee is hereby granted, provided that the above copyright notice and this permission notice appear in all copies; and that the user/copier/modifier/distributor supports the rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex, and asexual people.

Is this the future of open source where licenses will become political grand stands who they use to legally punish any one who steps out of line from the SJW sphere?

 No.960208>>960209 >>961077

>>960205 (OP)

> and that the user/copier/modifier/distributor supports the rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex, and asexual people.

what the fuck is he gonna do about it?


 No.960209>>960247 >>960884

>>960208

Give you HIV.


 No.960219>>961627

>>960205 (OP)

This is just nintendrone hackers being faggots like usual.


 No.960232>>960683

Fork it, add some minor cleanup like adding a proper installer, and add to the license requiring support for traditional moral values. Email him anonymously to 'report' your project and watch his meltdown.


 No.960247


 No.960262>>960269 >>960334

>Is this the future of open source where licenses will become political grand stands who they use to legally punish any one who steps out of line from the SJW sphere?

no this is just an example of why licenses are mostly bullshit and unenforceable


 No.960265>>960287

>>960205 (OP)

Sausage?


 No.960269

>>960262

They are only bullshit and unenforceable for small trivial shit like anything involving an imageboard.


 No.960287>>960290 >>960331 >>960863


 No.960290>>960884

>>960287

>nintendo games

there's your problem


 No.960331>>960626 >>960884

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>>960287

>only 4ch gets mentioned

8ch BTFO again kek


 No.960334>>960338 >>960342

>>960262

No, it's an example of why laymen should not write legal texts. This clause is complete BS, way too vague and nothing but impotent virtue signalling. Just how all those CoCs take five pages to say "don't be a dick". Or those licenses that say you cannot use the software for evil purpose, making the license completely impossible to enforce because how the fuck do you define "evil"? Just use a proper software license written by actual lawyers.


 No.960338>>960677

>>960334

Now that I think about it, since the license is not enforceable this would make the project effectively proprietary. Right?


 No.960342

>>960334

Don't you wish you were a billionaire who could take these faggots to court to test their licenses? Just sue them for some random bullshit in the license and hammer them over and over.


 No.960350

>>960205 (OP)

It's not a FOSS license if the Four Freedoms are granted only conditionally.

stallman_of_disapproval.jpg


 No.960358>>960519

>>960205 (OP)

>and that the user/copier/modifier/distributor supports the rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex, and asexual people

If I think that these people are all mentally ill, but support the rights of mentally ill people to not treat there own conditions, does that mean I am compliant with this? But, if I feel that doctors shouldn't be cutting trannies up in accordance with their mental illness (self harm is a place I draw a line), then am I still compliant, or is allowing trannies to harm themselves over their mental illness a "right"?


 No.960519

>>960358

By that logic you would be a bigot who is literally killing trannies. Even though their ideology leads to mass suicide and regret because it doesn't work.


 No.960526>>960551

>>960205 (OP)

FOSS licenses are assertions of authority with superficial legal backing at best. The only exception being the GPL


 No.960551>>960593 >>960599 >>960884

>>960526

This. Use the GPL or be cucked.


 No.960593>>960607

>>960551

Yeah it's really unlike a cuck to give away their product for "free" and then when someone else "steals" it have the FSF legal team sue them for violating copyright law, keeping the profit for themselves while you don't see a dime.


 No.960599>>960607 >>960646 >>961231

>>960551

the cuck license argument is not convincing to me. to be cucked is to have your wife cheat on you. you presumably only have one single wife. so for your one single wife to be defiled causes a kind of irreversible damage to her and your status as a man.

on the other hand, software is not a singular item. another man can defile your software and you do not suffer any damage because you still retain a clean copy of it. would you be cucked if a man defiled your wife's identical twin? her clone?

unless you want to sell your software, i see little value in the gpl versus public domain. the gpl does, however, force people keep the gpl. you cannot, for example, re-license gpl'd software.

the big concern for gpl people is that a large company will "steal" their software, improve it, close the source, and sell it. this concern is not well-founded. the gpl wants to force anyone who alters the code to contribute. do you really want microsoft to contribute code to your project?

i think that if a large company wants to "steal" your code then you should let them. if the tenants of free software are so great then they will trump that kind of behavior. companies will "steal" your code, maybe. but you and the other devs will continue to use and improve the code. users will prefer the real thing, not the costly "rebranded" version.

if a big company were to "steal" linux what would happen? the devs would not quit. the users would not quit. anyone who gets introduced to linux through the "stolen" version will quickly find out they were duped and switch to the real one.


 No.960604>>960683

>fork it

>remove the license terms

>tell the faggots to deal with it


 No.960607>>960614

>>960593

Only the copyright holder can sue for license violations. The FSF cannot do shit if you did not transfer copyright to them.

>>960599

>the big concern for gpl people is that a large company will "steal" their software, improve it, close the source, and sell it. this concern is not well-founded. the gpl wants to force anyone who alters the code to contribute. do you really want microsoft to contribute code to your project?

That's not how it works. Let's say I write libpooinloo, Microsoft takes it and makes changes to it. They have to give these changes to people when they ask for it, but I am under no obligation to merge those changes into my own libpooinloo. What I could do is look at those changes, improve upon them and incorporate my own version.

>i think that if a large company wants to "steal" your code then you should let them. if the tenants of free software are so great then they will trump that kind of behavior. companies will "steal" your code, maybe. but you and the other devs will continue to use and improve the code. users will prefer the real thing, not the costly "rebranded" version.

"Stealing" means they take it and make it proprietary, never giving back what changes they made. If Microsoft took libpooinloo and added support for Microsoft Office files without giving anything back it would undermine the point of Free Software. Now anyone who wants to use libpooinloo for Microsoft Office files has to use the proprietary version. I have basically been working for free for Microsoft only for them to swoop in, grab my work and give me nothing in return.


 No.960614>>960856


 No.960626

>>960331

>4chan

kek

>team xecuter killing the scene

Lmao what? all they did is sell drmed cfw and modchips.

>bigots

Yes (((biggots)))


 No.960634

>>960205 (OP)

The concept of intellectual property was a mistake.


 No.960646

>>960599

You have no idea what you're talking about. No one will switch "to the real one" because the fake one is already fulfilling all their needs. That isn't how things work in the real world. It's the argument how capitalism will lead to the poor being lifted up by the rich making better technology. Most people stay about where they are no matter what happens at the top.


 No.960677>>960856

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>>960338

No, it makes it worthless posturing that is impossible to enforce. The license grant in question is made of three main parts:

>it gives a permission to use, copy, modify, and/or distribute the software for any purpose with or without fee

This is a binding and legal release of certain copyrights.

>under condition that copyright notice and permission notice appears in all copies

This is also binding though it will prevent you from relicensing.

>under condition that user/copier/modified/distributor hold certain values

This can be simply ignored - it's discriminatory wishful thinking most likely against the laws of most jurisdictions. Not to mention it would be impossible for the author cuck to provide proof of in court, most likely.

Remember, you're only bound by terms that are compliant with local laws. If some clauses are blatantly against the law, for example being in conflict with a legislation prohibiting discrimination on ideological/worldview grounds, the law will always override the contract.


 No.960683>>960687

This is open sores, not free software.

>>960232

>>960604

>fork

You can't relicense code that isn't yours.


 No.960687>>960884

>>960683

But that license allows you to fork it as long as you use the same 'license' and retain the notices.

Fork it, add cute ASCII art swastikas and proudly proclaim the project is advancing white ethnostate - then anonymously report your fork to the cuckthor and watch it rage.


 No.960856>>961085

>>960614

I don't know, maybe he gave the FSF permission to sue on his behalf. From the FSF website:

> Who has the power to enforce the GPL? (#WhoHasThePower)

>

> Since the GPL is a copyright license, the copyright holders of the software are the ones who have the power to enforce the GPL. If you see a violation of the GPL, you should inform the developers of the GPL-covered software involved. They either are the copyright holders, or are connected with the copyright holders. Learn more about reporting GPL violations.

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#WhoHasThePower

>>960677

Since the license might be invalid, wouldn't that mean the code is under the default terms for software? Just how having no license in my code makes it proprietary by default.


 No.960863>>960884

>>960287

Somebody should report the guy to Github. He's probably using a free account, and Github requires that repos on free accounts use a free/open source software license, which this isn't.


 No.960884

>>960205 (OP)

>....and that the user/copier/modifier/distributor supports the rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex, and asexual people.

I doubt that this sort of agreement is enforceable in reality.

>>960209

It's a good thing I just updated my AV.

>>960290

but i like nintendou

>>960331

no. it just shows that 8chan is awesome and inclusive safe place for everybody.

(regardless of your preference for underage 2-D girls)

>>960551

imo GPL vs. BSD license is stupid. It just choice between who gets cucked. Also, you really shouldn't write your own license, if you don't absolutely have to.

>>960687

>>960863

These might work. Start using their own SJW tactics against them. I'm loving it.


 No.960992>>960995 >>960996

I think I might create the Catholic License, in which users must adhere to the faith in order to operate the software. That gets rid of a vast number of worthless users.


 No.960995>>960997 >>961077

>>960992

But the pope is a communist.


 No.960996

>>960992

Please don't. We don't need anymore shit licenses. Just use the ISC license and be done with it


 No.960997

>>960995

We could do a pre Vatican II setup if you like, I'd also require the software to offer Latin as a language option.


 No.961029>>961595

>supports the rights of

You can interpret that any way you like. It's meaningless.


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>>960208

The smart thing to do would be to sit on it until some big company uses the software (needless to say wouldn't work with a keygen). Then check if they donate to the gay lobby, if they don't they don't support LGBTQWERTY and can be sued for a fortune if the software is widely used.

That's if the license were enforceable, which I don't think it is but it should be possible to write a similar license that's legally valid.

>>960995

The pope being one uncontested guy is a recent development, there have been several anti-popes, some of whom managed to take over. So the license could include support for the previous (still living) pope or anyone else.


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>>960856

No, I'd say only the discriminatory condition he put up is invalid, the other one isn't. The cuck could try to argue otherwise in court and I would honestly enjoy seeing that play out.


 No.961231

>>960599

>do you really want microsoft to contribute code to your project?

It's certainly FAR better than them just taking it and closing the source, which is the only option.


 No.961348>>961622 >>961627

>>960205 (OP)

>switch

Remember GlovePIE for Wii remotes? This was on the download page:

>Warning! Use of this product (or any other electrical technology) will destroy the planet with Global Warming, unless you are using 100% Green or Nuclear power! Less than 100% is not enough to stop catastrophic climate change.

http://web.archive.org/web/20100118080833/http://glovepie.org:80/glovepie_download.php

I also remembered that the license didn't allow it for military use. The creator supports Scientology, too.


 No.961588

>>960205 (OP)

link me to it so I can violate the license


 No.961595

>>961029

Why yes, I support the free speech and gun rights of people regardless of what dumb-ass things they call themselves and which I'm not bound to respect :)


 No.961622

>>961348

I recall that it also had another restriction...

>I tried to install GlovePIE on my machine but GlovePIE rejected my machine because it is located in Israel.

http://vjoystick.sourceforge.net/site/index.php/forum/5-Discussion/373-vjoy-and-glovepie


 No.961627>>961633

Funny, this came out a day or two ago, with some other retarded FOSS project adding a blacklist of companies, and then quickly changing it back.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8106

>>960219

Most of the 3DS hacks are using proper open source licenses. Does OP's thing even come with source code?

>>961348

Like, that didn't even have source code.


 No.961633

>>961627

>muh ICE in that retarded FOSS project's case

Also its lead dev (who is also a McCainfag) follows that Coraline tranny freak and a few other SJWs on twatter.


 No.961642>>961775

Why do these people not understand how destructive the left is at this point? How can you spend your time in tech circles and now see the utter destruction of the entire system coming your way when these sort of things happen?


 No.961775

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>>961642

Depends but if you're submerged in an environment, you start to share those values unless your own beliefs are exceptionally strong. It starts from holding your tongue in order to not offend a friend or coworker, then creeps in and poisons your entire worldview. It's why pockets such as SanFran are full of these drones - they're insulated.

Note this applies to anything else, not just regressive leftist political cult. It's how humans work.




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