/tech/ - Technology★

Certainly not what the freetards are doing. Degoogle is a great phrase though.

>>939775

I think so too.

If it's normies, slogans don't matter, they just need a hashtag and to be told that all their friends are doing it, too.

>Degoogle

Normies will jump to closest botnet they can find. Braindeads should be hand-guided on individual basis. We can start by telling how to install PGP addons on their browser to encrypt their google emails for example.

>>939760 (OP)

Whatever you throw at them will be overshadowed by a billion dollar advertisement campaign that corrupts them 24/7. So you either stick to grassroots guerilla tactics of terrorism, get lucky when your opposition shoots themselves in the foot every once in a while or you're literally a genius in coming up with life changing slogans. Whatever you do...the future looks bleak.

>>939805

>expecting normalfags to have the mental capacity to use pgp

I personally use "stop using any proprietary software RIGHT NOW."

>>939807

FUCKING LISTEN TO THIS OP

This post illustraites what will actually fucking happen. This thread is just nothing but hopeless solutions to think they can solve a future that will inevitabely be Google only

WE HAVE SURRENDERED ALREADY. THAT IS WHY WE DON'T HAVE THREADS LIKE THESE

>>939834

>>939807

Thank you based realisticpillers. Well said.

>>939807

>tfw chans have a more realistic view of the world then most who claim to fight for our freedom

>>939760 (OP)

OP you probably meant to post this on cuckchan. This board is for actual realists who are smart enough to realise that no tactic against Google will ever work. Suggest any alternatives you want, but all will be crushed under the boot of the mighty SV. Conform or be vaporized.

So now that OP got BTFO what can we discuss ITT?

>>939807

>>939834

>cuck OP can't even debate these posts so he ran away like a bitch

LOOOOOOOL

The hardest blow needs to be hit at

>"Nothing to hide, nothing to fear"

Only way I see this breaking is to show that "nothing to hide" is false.

Everyone has something to hide. Politicians and political opponents especially.

>>939845

Good suggestion. How about "everything to hide" coupled with an example search on Google like symptoms of HIV or something being sold to third party marketers who laugh at you or something.

>>939845

>>939848

See >>939807

We're done here. They fucking won. Go home.

>>939850

Did any of you see the recent bill passed called the GDPR? They're not winning. They're beginning to lose, actually.

>>939854

>GDPR

Actually read the text fag. This will only accelerate spying.

>>939850

>"just give up, YOU CAN'T STOP US YOU IDIOT"

sell your cynicism and depression to someone who wants it, buddy

Otherwise keep to yourself and stay in the corner with other toddlers

If there is a slim chance, there is a chance and we should take it

>>939848

Putting stories like these to the forefront of discussions should make people feel queezy and anxious about privacy issues

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1322916/Facebook-accidentally-outing-gay-users-advertisers.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/

>>939760 (OP)

>"Defective by Design"

I got nothing for that.

>"Digital Restrictions Management"

Digital handcuffs.

Digital Restrain Order.

>In addition to libre and free software

I suggest to stop saying free sotware. Software freedom is ok but "libre" even tho understandable isn't natural in the english language. Software ownership maybe ?

>What about degoogle?

> That tells people immediately what they do in order to practice better data privacy

Yes and no it only tells that only google is the entity to avoid while there are others like qwant, bing etc... Degoogling isn't good enough because google isn't THE problem they are several bad search engines and the only way to mitigate it is with proxies meta search engine like searx plus "DE"googling as the connotation of removing and in marketing (and psychology) any connotation of removing is negative while saying for example that X services/product will ENHANCE your work, you mustn't bullshit people tho because the backslash is even worse in that case.

I'm looking for something with the word "meta" (in meta search engine like searx).

>>939760 (OP)

You might be able to get women on board with something having to do with their nudes leaking. Every girl between the ages of 12 and 40 has at least one nude selfie/mirrorshot on her phone, and plenty have all kinds of other shit they wouldn't want getting out: blowjobs, schlicking for Chads, fucking, cheating, painal, etc. Most women above 40 have that shit too.

Here's the trick. Women are such attention whores that if you tell them that the NSA/Cyber Command is fapping to their nudes, they'll probably imagine some square-jawed Chad in a military uniform finding them sexy and get off on it. You need to make them imagine instead an obese pajeet in the basement of Google HQ licking his curry-stained lips and jerking his cheesy little dick to her blowjob vids.

So not a phrase, maybe, but a drawing of the above scenario, with something like "Google or Facebook or Instashit or whatever employee fringe benefit: copies of the intimate photos on your phone." Followed by information about how the terms of service for those services (and the permissions required by the associated apps) basically strip them of all privacy.

>I think the FSF does a good job of coming up with catchphrases, but that's probably solely the work of rms

I think their catchphrases are hit and miss. More miss than hit. A sign of that is how almost nobody--even people who agree with his aims--uses Stallman's cutesy little coinages except himself. Calling Uber "Guber", Facebook users "useds", insisting that piracy only takes places on the seas, not over P2P connections: he might be right, but nobody adopts his terminology.

The vast majority of neurotypicals have never heard of Stallman, and if you ask them if they've ever heard the slogans "Defective by Design" and "Digital Restrictions Management", the overwhelming answer will be "no".

>>939807

>>939834

>>939836

>>939837

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>>939839

>>939850

Hello mister one person and his VPN!

I never thought I'd say this, but I actually prefer the lispfag

>normies

>wanting normalfags interested in technology

keep them OUT YOU FUCKING NIGGER

>>939860

THIS

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing

>>939863

Good point. You're not gonna simultaneously make people care about privacy and also redpill them. Take advantage of the beliefs of the average normie.

I'd like to highlight something here: even though the pro net-neutrality shit failed (because the people themselves weren't actually voting on it), they did have a LOT of support. Why? Because they knew how to market the idea to the masses, and appeal to their sensibilities. Go take a look at a lot of the pro net-neutrality sites and campaigns. See how they got a following, and perhaps take that into consideration when it comes to deciding how to create anti-botnet propaganda.

>>939964

Yeah, I say we make pozzed gays fear being outed. The rest will trickle down from there.

>>941681

Linux is a kernel.

>>941686

And GNU is one of its many userlands, aswell as never the only project that is part of one of them, and not even necessarily the biggest or most important of them.

We should give everyone credit by referring to it as Linux/Xfree86/BSD/Suckless/xbox/GNU. GNU is not a complete system by itself.

In 1992 Torvalds wrote Linux, but to have a complete fully free operating system the userland was missing. He came a long way, but was only almost there. In 1993 torvalds open sourced Linux and coupled the GNU project aswell as other miscellaneous utilities to his kernel, forming a fully free operating system.

I like you and all Stallman but nobody gives a shit and if you want credit where credit is due we need to relive the glory days of 30 seconds of television ads being reserved to crediting random entities that touched the source code once like it used to happen in BSDville. You could at least give things a decent name but you didn't, and now we call this computer operating system by the name Linux which satisfies everyone except you.

>>941692

>>941686

Guys, while a lot of this might be complete autism, I personally think that in this day and age, calling it GNU/Linux actually has some real meaning. There is this little thing called Android, and it uses the Linux kernel, but the rest of the components are non-GNU. Some are even proprietary! However, I have seen normies make the dangerously misleading claim that "Android is Linux!" It technically is, as it uses the Linux Kernel, but it shares nothing else with GNU/Linux distros, particularly their respect for your freedoms.

Because of this, we should say GNU/Linux, so as not to confuse it with the botnet that is Android, or other such projects. By saying GNU/Linux, we make it clear that yes, we are using Linux, but we are also using Free Software.

>>941692

>>941686

Oh and not even your maintainers give a shit. Go home. I didn't invite you to this talk, why are you even here? Go tell highschool students to peel stickers off their laptops.

>>941692

You sure do seem mad, Linus.

Im a normie, convince me to use free software.

>>941799

Just to clarify, most of the software I use is free. Now that I think about this whole issue more, I think the best way to convince people of using free alternatoves is making them better than their propietary counterpart. I just use the software that better fills my needs; it being free is nice, but it isbt important for me at all.

Don't! They will shit up /tech/.

>>941681

This unironically, memes are very powerful in this generation.

>>941840

Okay, the one with the smartphone sounded a little gay.. I ment it so that I put it back at their nightstand after. Though a little tingle in the arse first are not to be dismissed.

>>941805

Now this is fine for as long as the free software community is actively and expediently working for the purpose of attracting the adoption from users. The problem with the idea that attracting users by developing free software to be "better" than proprietary software is that users will easily go the other way because freedom is not an ideal that is important to most users. This means when the free software community is not interested in playing mirror with proprietary software, then the users will simply use proprietary software.

The key is to encourage people that inconvenient freedom is more important than convenience that infringes on freedom. This is not an easy thing to do because the vast majority of society is only taught to judge software in one way: does the software do the job as conveniently as I'd like it? The thing about freedom is that freedom is always correlated with personal responsibility. The problem is that most people value the convenience that other people control more than freedom in which they are personally required to do more work.

>>941799

>Im a normie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WmGvYDLsj4

Why should we give normies the privilege of using our software?

They ruin everything they touch.

They're too stupid to even understand free software, so why let them use it?

Software like gpg or GNU/Linux should be reserved for us intellectuals.

>>942178

this

>>941799

You get to feel morally superior for your consumption choices.

Your consumption choices also involve the following fart sniffing benefits recycling old software, nostalgia, hardcore hacker rep, I'm not a sucker, I'm an idealist, I have a very high IQ, not a botnet, I'm practically a programmer, this software is perfect (in theory which is what matters).

And you can be surrounded by like minded "individuals" who all agree that you are just the best and the sheeple are ruining the world.

Above all though you get to learn that free does in fact not mean free through the beneficial process of indoct... I mean education.

>>941681

>The only way to beat them is memes. And memes are on our side. Lefties can't make memes, nor can glow in the darks herding the nigger cattle.

in what fucking dimension are you on, I can't believe how well the right brainwashes people into believing they're "the good ones"

>>942193

For the sake of argument, what is your definition of "the good ones"?

>>942178

>Skype

>>941799

No. Stay in the panopticon, cattlenigger.

>>942151

The free software movement is a matter of politics in the software that users use on their own computers. The free software movement isn't about the good or bad quality of the technology. The ideal of the movement is that when users have the freedom they deserve in the software they use on their own computer, users should take responsibility over themselves in order to practise that freedom. Users who need technical help operating the software and developing the software need to find skilled helpers to help them because that responsibility belongs to them.

>>939954

Digital kikery. Call it what it is.

>>939956

Tell them that the SPLC are filled with Nigs and Spics fapping to their photos and planning to use their personal data to rape them.

>>939964

>You're not gonna simultaneously make people care about privacy and also redpill them. Take advantage of the beliefs of the average normie.

One step at a time, first /tech/ then /pol/

>>941681

Tell that to the EU. Meme ban = de-nazification = faggotry

>>941840

You should live in Argentina and think things over

>>942186

This guys knows that freedom does not exist. Struggle through self improvement exists.

>>942281

That will fall flat absolutely, as civilization is built through division of labor.

>939760

>net neutrality

>advanced sounding term that makes you look sophisticated when you talk about it with your friends

>companies aren't giving us good enough deals (because we buy their bad deals and allow them to get away with it). we need laws to fix this!

>without NN the companies will screw us even more!

>easy for normalfags, all they have to do is upvote every news article about NN

>>942193

The right we're dealing with isn't trying to censor language based on feelings.

Currently they're "the good ones".

>>939863

It doesn't matter. Here is how normies act:

> These voice assistants can record everything you say

< Yeah, really creepy

> ...

< ...

They know they are letting themselves get fucked in the ass, but as long as they are getting fucked in the ass with lube they will put up with it.

>>942178

The audio message is great, but the animation is trying way too hard and is too abstract and detached from the voice.

>>942394

Normalfags do not care about privacy. This is true. We have to care for ourselves and for them by proxy.

>>942319

>That will fall flat absolutely, as civilization is built through division of labor.

Users who need technical help operating the software and developing the software need to find skilled helpers to help them because that responsibility belongs to them. Maybe the user has a friend who is willing to help them with the technical issues of the software. Otherwise, that user ought to hire a professional IT expert or computer programmer for help.

>>942399

I care about cattle's privacy so I won't stick as much before.

>>942477

Do you think you are special or something? You are rejected and separated to everyone else, so you are somehow superior? You remind me of that manlet from brave new world.

>>942477

Stick as much? Lrn2english

Blocking ads is a gateway drug to maining Lignux. It's true.

I'm the computer expert in my circles. Everyone I help understands my conditions, and I always, always explain what I'm doing and why. You have to be good at explaining, translating, giving good analogies.

We block ads because their business model is spying on you. This is explained slowly, and genuinely realized and absorbed by the client. Most normal, adjusted people are not okay with being spied on. It's scummy. This is the ancient truth. Despite billion-dollar campaigns to deceive everyone to the contrary.

No one can understand every single thing in their lives. It all comes down to trust. You have to trust your mechanic. You have to trust your doctor. They earn that trust after you learn enough to validate them, after you evaluate their motives, after you seek recommendations from sources you already trust. This, also, is ancient truth. It's how a sensible person lives. And once it's made explicit, people realize, yes, I do do that. Now, why wouldn't you apply the same thing to computing?

Who might benefit?

So they learn to figure out who to trust. They learn to evaluate who is trustworthy.

Every time I help someone who has fallen prey to a phone support scam, for example, I don't just clean it up and leave. I make sure they know exactly what went wrong. I make sure they know what behavior to recognize as sketchy. And I make sure to plant the seeds so they can stop and think about what they're seeing, and evaluate whether it should be trusted.

Little things like this help. Even if they ultimately decide to get a computer mechanic to trust, they're much better off on their own, and much more equipped to select a trustworthy computer mechanic (assuming it isn't you).

And when someone learns to evaluate motives, internalizes that practice in little, regular, every-day ways...

And then they see advertisements in their start menu...

🤔

>>946015

>We block ads because their business model is spying on you.

Content blocking is a manifestation of freedom 0, the right to control the code executed on your computer. It's true that the abuse which ads lend themselves to is that of third parties spying on you, malicious software, etc.--your website host compromising your security at their own discretion, but it shouldn't conceal the abuse structure itself.

That's my dissatisfaction with the open source model: even if they're technically more proficient in copyleft, it doesn't recognize the fact that injustice is a protean thing. If we tote open source in lieu of free software. Advertisements are perhaps the best example of that. We're out here touting "open source" about software and use cases that are incredibly archaic, whereas, for laymen, the reality of their computing takes the form of websites, of nonfree javascript, of software as a service.

>>946044

>Content blocking is a manifestation of freedom 0, the right to control the code executed on your computer. It's true that the abuse which ads lend themselves to is that of third parties spying on you, malicious software, etc.--your website host compromising your security at their own discretion, but it shouldn't conceal the abuse structure itself.

I'm in perfect agreement. It's a roundabout way of explaining viscerally why the freedoms matter, and how they apply, based on something my clients experience every single day.

Valuing the ability to defend yourself from pervasive spyware, despite lobbying campaigns to the contrary, illuminates the value of having that control, and informs the growing confidence that users SHOULD have control. It's vital deprogramming.

As I always mention, "it's YOUR computer, and this [the adblocker] lets YOU decide."

>>941840

>Human race

Species*

>>942193

Shitskin/soyboy detected

Honestly if roasties still send nudes over services which are proven to be monitored I doubt there is anything that can be done. Normies go for status over practicality/security every single time when making choices with technology. That's what makes them normies.

>>942404

So we need to rally up software warriors and defenders, not "everyone should program" like some stupid SJW plan.

>>946015

>>946044

>>946078

then how would you create a new internet media business model? webminers? if not, leave it be.

>>946507

>[without all-pervasive surveillance capitalism], then how would you create a new internet media business model?

Hey, friend, reddit.com/r/technology might be more your speed.

>>946501

The absolute state of modern women is a natural reaction to their environment. They do not possess agency. If men unitedly mocked and despised whorishness and attention-seeking, and elevated purity, you would see a comeback.

This is something happening on a rather small scale with the whole BEGONE THOT meme. Very encouraging.

>>946501

I have been trying to tell people this for months. They never listen.

>>946520

Normies only have so many fucks to give in a day. Tech fucks are not even in the top 1,000 fucks.

>>946520

Women have a shit load of agency. That's why you have to control them.

>>939760 (OP)

>>946015

How does it feel to get BTFO?

>>947181

It's over, kiddos.

>>946015

This post did not age well.

>>946501

>>946524

>>946523

They probably get a kick out of some NSA agent peeping at them. Fake argument is fake. Does anyone here do activism like the EFF? They make actionable differences in the lives of computer users all the time.

>>947313

You didn't mean it, did you? Because, you know, EFF is quite reactionary in the first place and in the second place, I don't remember that they did anything that would help, say, advanced computer user.

Not that matters, you are fucked anyway, consumerism completely killed humanism. Humans are not humane anymore.

>>947313

>>947317

I like where this thread is going. Hopeshills lost once again, to people with actual insight and awareness.

>>946015

Gotta love how you just left the thread after people exposed just how bullshit your statement is. Are you gonna call be by your blackpill boogeyman now?

>>939959

>people discussing reasonablr predictions of the future are just one person using a VPN

???

>>947318

Hopeshill is such a stupid forced meme, holy shit.

>>939956

Playing into the hands of feminists who cry revenge porn doesn’t help the case of software freedom. In fact, most of them cry for more government regulation.

People want the police to do nothing but still be safe, they want quality food but not to pay more for it, lower taxes but better healthcare, schools, etc. People want privacy but have their every thought heard by Faceberg and every second recorded by Google/Amazon. A few people may care a lot about it, but other than making it illegal it's impossible to pry Faceberg from a normalfag's hands and give them Savannah or whatever the free one is called.

Posted from my NSAndroid.

>>949090

> you're enslaved forever

Yeah pretty much. See >>949200.

>>949200

This.

>>949589

>>949200

>these factual posts

>nobody has debated them

Kek, guess your """""""""""""""""""propaganda for normies""""""""""""""""""""" fucking flopped before it could take off

>>949090

How does it feel to get BTFO?

Whitepill 1: >>>/hypno/41015

Whitepill 2: >>>/pdfs/9265 or >>>/ipfs/

>>950077

A good chunk of nu/hypno/ is too retarded for RetroShare or even regular torrents, so they hang around begging for web uploads which quickly get DMCA'd instead of setting up RetroShare and getting assloads more files.

>>939760 (OP)

My first thought would be to make a movie of a real haxor who hates nutech like "oops that's embarrasing" error pages, Smart TV, web cars, etc. He pirates everything and only uses minimalistic software/hardware. Hacks sites and defaces them, gets dudes v& for selling fraud products, gets other bad guys v& by planting CP on them, amasses info from services he hacked to get into others, etc. So I guess like Mr Robot except not 100th wall breaking SJW anti-libertarian faggotry.

Or just do something that makes headlines - propaganda of the deed.

>facebook literally self destructing

that is a literal miracle, but the way

>no co-ordinated push for FOSS alternatives at the opportune moment

>the status quo continues

i have a feeling FOSS doesn't want to succeed

>>951345

>What is Fedi

>>951146

Imagine Cicada3301, but from /tech/ as a Twine/SugarCube game

Naming free software "free software" was a terrible mistake.

It led many clueless people to believe it's about money.

>>951345

>What is Fedi

I have no idea. That is exactly my point.

>>939760 (OP)

Whatever is easiest. They want it handed to them on a fucking silver platter, every generation not just millennial, boomers too, they all expect it to be easy and for it to work right always.

If you want them you have to make it easy.

>>953034

Whenever I go down to my free market, I pick up one of everything without paying because free market means no money.

>>947446

glow-in-the-dark niggers can't meme, confirmed right in this thread

Refer to the reply chain started by >>955998. Long story short: You can't save them. Everyone on this site knows this. Just spare yourself the trouble of fighting and accept that the only way out of this shit situation is suicide.

>>953034

See >>954474

Just call it "Free Market Software"

I think we should focus on making software like Windows 10 look really bad (as it is), most normalfags have only been told "<program> spies on u!", we need to show them what they exactly they collect and make it look scary and unjustifiable (again, as it is). There is nothing special and fancy about free software, and most of the time it's the opposite of fancy, we should only present it as the alternative.

Wrong: Duuuuude install gentoo it's better than Windows

Right: Windows 10 sucks and here's why: https://example.com/articles/data-w10-collects, but you don't have to use W10, $linux_distro is a functional OS that doesn't spy on you at all, and it's open source for anyone to verify it.

Also, anyone have a source on accurate data that Windows 10 collects?, I'm thinking of making an article about it on my website.

I rather like degoogle. It has a nice ring.