/tech/ - Technology★

>>1072458 (OP)

Lol you're just a retard all of these are your fault. Typical Windows cuck.

>>1072458 (OP)

Install Gentoo.

>>1072458 (OP)

Sounds like you're just retarded anon.

>choose void because it's "lean"

>complain that it doesn't install a load of bloat

void is great, but perhaps you should choose something else if this is your first time using linux.

i installed void on an old laptop literally like 3 days ago with absolutely 0 problems

grow ur brain harder

Here's what you do OP, download the void ISO, get yourself a virtual machine, and test it first, test configurations based on the install wiki they provide. I went through your same struggle, and this is what finally solved it for me, a virtual machine.

To edit a text file, simply download nano if it isn't already installed. Void itself isn't something wow, amazing, it's more of a simple bare bones systemd free linux. You may even find it more fun to use with i3 window manager. I feel the same about void to a certain extent, it isn't "new user" friendly, but with enough patience, it's worth it. CloverOS was another headache to get going and finally when I did get it going, I couldn't even download a browser properly, some operating systems are simply designed with advanced users in mind. Sad but true.

>>1072458 (OP)

>there is no "install" icon on desktop or start menu

classic

Learn to install it instead of bitching about it, Winbaby.

>void linux

https://voidlinux.eu/

LOOOOOOOOOOOL

>choose lean and systemd free one: Void Linux

Define lean and what's the problem with systemd? Are you a troll? You are installing obscure distribution that is newbie unfriendly and then complain about it.

>>1072482

Me no habla espana gracias

>>1072483

He's scared of systemD. You need a really high IQ to fully grasp the purpose of an init and these alt-init ideologues just won't put in the effort of mastering a tool like systemD.

I wonder if /tech/ will ever be mature enough to ignore threads like this and instead make insteresting threads or post their own projects. This is cuckchan tier at best

>>1072487

>Me no habla espana gracias

The Void Linux niggers forgot to renew their domain.

>>1072488

>their own projects

implying /tech/ isn't full of LARPers

>>1072458 (OP)

how did you even find that distro if you dont know anything about linux systems? theres ubuntu and debian for brainlets like you.

If you don't want systemdicks, you sould have tried Devuan instead.

>>1072468

you think a simple text editor, network configuration, icons in file manager, "install" shortcut, automatic disk format, are bloat? those are basic things

Windows 3.11 had those and it uses few times less disk space than Void

>>1072469

some people managed to climb Mount Everest. doesn't mean it's easy and comfortable

>>1072473

>To edit a text file, simply download nano if it isn't already installed.

how to download it when I don't have network connection? I need text editor to configure network connection, because this shit doesn't have utility to configure it

>You may even find it more fun to use with i3 window manager.

I downloaded version with desktop environment. but it doesn't have basic text editor or ability to configure network

>some operating systems are simply designed with advanced users in mind.

operating system is a tool that should be invisible to user. it should just allow you to use software in easiest way possible, you should be productive and fast on it

operating systems made by unix idiots are not "for advanced users", they are simply shit, badly designed and badly implemented

>>1072483

>Define lean

lean = installer is small, contains basic software, without bloat. it has to contain tools to configure things (like network connection), one software to edit text files, one web browser, one image viewer. if user wants, he can later install additional software

>and what's the problem with systemd?

it's bloat. it's made by corporation. it's malware with backdoors. it's too big to be audited. it's uneccessary.

>You are installing obscure distribution that is newbie unfriendly and then complain about it.

unix idiots praised it and recommended it. but turns out it's shit. also it's systemd free, installer is small.

>>1072491

I didn't read that shit, I put livecd, run it, there was no Install on desktop or start menu

>>1072492

>how did you even find that distro if you dont know anything about linux systems?

who said I don't know about linux? I investigated systemd free distros, read reviews about them, their FAQ

>theres ubuntu and debian for brainlets like you.

both have systemd, are bloat (few GB installer), are spyware (ubuntu sells your search data)

>>1072506

>If you don't want systemdicks, you sould have tried Devuan instead.

Devuan is bloat, installer is 4GB

>>1072511

>Need a gui to install anything

Go back and fucking kys you retard brainlet faggot gorilla nigger

This thread is an obvious bait, idiots.

>>1072511

Holy fuck, it's baits upon baits. xD

>>1072511

>Devuan is bloat, installer is 4GB

The ISO is not even 1GB, faggot.

>>1072511

>network connection

It doesn't come with nmcli? It does have a GUI for that. At the top right on the desktop screen usually.

> Nigger #85849693058592959056828 complains about not being spoonfed

>everything around me fails

I am a winner.

>>1072544

Even a white man would need to spend time researching unnecessary information to install it instead of doing more productive things. For example, instead of going to a wiki to find the command to run the installer, and typing the commands to bind mount the kernel filesystems (there seems to be a new one every year), etc., why not provide an ncurses installer that started up automatically? Slackware had that in 2002. There seems to be a lot of fa/g/gots here who think neding to type a lot of commands you read from a wiki = having ._..33t good quality distro. You are just proving the multicsfag right every time you open your big stupid mouth.

>>1072517

>>1072544

that's why unix is a failure and you will never get 1% market share

>>1072518

>unix idiot is being told his unix is shit

>pretends it's a bait so he doesn't have to reply

>>1072530

>The ISO is not even 1GB, faggot.

http://sledjhamr.org/devuan-cd/devuan_ascii/installer-iso/

CD version is 2GB, DVD is 4GB

>>1072542

https://wiki.voidlinux.org/Network_Configuration

niggers tell to edit some stupid text files, while not explaining how to edit them

also this botnet Void linux uses (((8.8.8.8))) as default DNS

>>1072551

>how do I edit text files

Great question.

>>1072548

>Even a white man would need to spend time researching unnecessary information to install it instead of doing more productive things.

>There seems to be a lot of fa/g/gots here who think neding to type a lot of commands you read from a wiki = having ._..33t good quality distro. You are just proving the multicsfag right every time you open your big stupid mouth.

this

White, national socialist operating system should be perfectly designed, productive, should allow you to do big things like holocaust with one click

it should make you focus on doing big new things, not reinventing the wheel or waste your time on nigger manuals

unix philosophy is shit and anti-white, not surprised they attract SJW and CoC

>>1072551

That ISO includes a ton of stuff you may or may not need. The live ISO is ~1GB, and if it needs components not included, it will grab them online.

Holy shit are you retarded literally how the FUCK can you mess this up, IT EVEN HAS A FUCKING GUI INSTALLER UNLIKE ARCH

next time:

go to the wiki

follow instructions and download the iso, best option is just live minimal

follow the instructions that appear DIRECTLY AT BOOT

i.e the root password etc,

so login as root, run void-installer, when youre finished, reboot and do xbps-install i3-gaps dmenu urxvt icecat

read i3 wiki

YOURE FUCKING WELCOME, RETARD

for networking install NetworkManager and use vim or nano (for retards like you), stop being a bitch as nigger cattle and man the FUCK up

>>1072551

Unix IS shit.

Now, if you don't wanna use it, don't use it, and there is no problem. xD

>b-but I'm not baiting

>the systemd free meme

>the no user-friendly installer meme

>the network configuration meme

>the vi meme

>the bloat meme

>the unix hating meme

>continues to flame everyone back to virtually (or literally) every post

Dude, you've collected probably each and every meme about newbie trying to install Linux the first time, how are you not baiting?

To answer your question, there are actual installers that you literally cannot fuck up, with sane defaults etc, but they are probably 2bloat4you, because they carry the whole X Window System with some brainless DEs and GUI libraries. I think even if I got up and tried to put together the actual GUI LiveISO right now, I would be hard-pressed to squeeze it onto the CD, for numerous reasons. It's definitely doable though.

>>1072458 (OP)

>instead turn off PC

that didn't work - try again

>don't even know how

>try to write something

>>1072576

Adding this.

https://docs.voidlinux.org/config/network/networkmanager.html

>>1072576

>wifi

>gsm

Holy fuck what do you think OP's connection even is? Did he tell anything? He didn't. Why do you configure both wifi and gsm? This makes no sense.

>>1072576

>wep

Stop bullying OP, he is retarded.

>>1072581

Options.

In case people sperg out and go nuts I guess. Was more of a general dump.

I think I may have made a mistake on the first code bar, i think you simply have to add "wpa_supplicant-wlan0.conf" but I haven't confirmed yet. I believe that's all it takes. Gotta SSH into something and test. Could be wrong.

>>1072554

What do you propose?

>>1072583

>not having a wired connection while installing loonix

No.

>>1072584

Install Gentoo.

>>1072584

Go to

>>>/d/

>>1072582

No bully, just saying. Some of these things are truly self explanatory. If you, for example type "print" after most of the nmcli commands, nmcli dumps your entire connection, plain as day. And you just kinda pick out the one you wanna edit, and you use "help" to find out how to edit them.

Most things you edit are like micro steps, adding one, exiting out, saving it, confirming it, and then bam, it says success.

>>1072566

>Dude, you've collected probably each and every meme about newbie trying to install Linux the first time

I don't think they're memes about noobs. Noobs have no trouble installing Void, because they just follow the manual step by step and search joogle for how to exit vi and stuff like that, and in about an hour get a "working" system, and delude themselves into thinking manually partitioning and mounting filesystems and editing config files on vim and all the stuff they're looking up will get them a sysadmin job or at least bragging rights on reddit or /g/. But it's fun for them, it's like a game because they've never done it before.

On the other hand, experienced users recognize it for what it is, a waste of time because of the maimtainers being lazy or appealing to edgy script kiddies who believe they're l33t for editing fstab and wpa_supplicant.conf, and a sign that the distro is broken unusable shit.

>>1072576

Never mind the sudo nano method, nmcli is probably much easier for most people. Besides, I can't even confirm if the code I typed is correct, pff. ' ^ '

>>1072591

That's why I said those are memes. Imagine a noob who makes every mistake imaginable, throws a fit about it and proceeds calling loonix out on how dogshit it is regarding user experience with deadly precision. xD

Speaking about fstab though, is there an actual distro out there who doesn't require you to edit it? Like, it will detect your root partition (from user-supplied data, I presume) and will do some UUID magic on partitions to set them up in the table? Or are you maybe saying that file editing is retarded in general and you should have a GUI tool for that, with all the checkboxes and shiet? I beg to differ, my man. IMO, it doesn't make much difference. You check the boxes/fill the forms or you just edit raw declarative file. No big deal (some dodgy shit with executable-like behavior in configs is pretty bad though).

>>1072582

Trust me, the last person who wishes OP was bullied about this is me. I went through hell trying to figure this out, even trying to install Void, I must have erased my SSD like 7 or 8 times with a boot and nuke CD and reinstalled before I just gave up and tried the virtual machine method.

Before that, I must have called verizon 10 times just to get my wwan connection up, even went to a store just to get a new sim card, i thought my old one was bricked, turns out, I just sucked at connectivity. So I found out about nmcli and realized I was doing it all wrong the whole time. I spent, time, money, gas on pointless junk, just to arrive at how stupidly simple this system is.. it's seriously painful how easy it is compared to GUI's. So I wish everybody knew how to use it, it's fool proof. It has a list of like 8 to 10 commands neatly explained in a row ("help") and you just follow each instruction in a series of steps that follow this pattern > "print" to display connection > "goto" (name of parameter) > edit information > enter > back > save.

You can also use

sudo nm-connection-editor

to display connections in GUI format and manually remove them if you created useless ones. But this only works on Ubuntu and similar distros I think, never tried on Void.

Not an expert either, just learning as I go with a lot of things.

>>1072605

man wpa_supplicant.conf

or

sudo wpa_cli

network={
        ssid="home"
        scan_ssid=1
        key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
        psk="very secret passphrase"
}

>>1072608

Well good, most the other lines were obsolete. I tried something similar on my RasPi the other day, works great but I forgot where I read the original config online. Sadly I was using it on DietPi software and it kept erasing what I config'd. I was trying to set up a hotspot.

>>1072597

>That's why I said those are memes.

Fine, they might be memes, but they are not I-was-just-pretending-to-be-retarded bait, they are legit criticisms that just happen to generate a lot of "lel git gud negger" responses.

>Speaking about fstab though, is there an actual distro out there who doesn't require you to edit it?

I meant editing it just to get a working install on a blank disk. But yeah, distros that are making at least a minimal effort to stop being retarded have a GUI or ncurses interface (which sometimes is more useful, like when not having a functional Xorg server or being on SSH) to set up basic partition schemes.

>You check the boxes/fill the forms or you just edit raw declarative file. No big deal

I don't remember the syntax for fstab off the top of my head. Do you? I know it maps partitions to mount points. But what is the order of the columns? Can I use spaces or do I have to use tabs? Does the amount of spaces matter? What was the syntax to set the flags for the filesystems again? I don't remember the command to get the UUID of my disks. Do you? How do I specify a device by UUID anyway? What if I'm on a console with no way of copying and pasting, do I have to type out the numbers by hand or is there a command that outputs just the UUID into stdout? Or do I have to roll my own with awk, sed and grep? What about a specific partition on that disk? What about the all the relevant flags for any filesystem you might use. I don't remember them. Do you? Was the name you have to use for the encrypted filesystem dm-crypt or dmCrypt? How do I specify the cipher and mode of operation for a headerless partition? How do I specify LVM partitions for dm-crypt? Are they scanned automatically on boot?

See, a well made GUI would make reading the documentation for all that shit unnecessary. It would turn a two hour job into a 10 minute job, because only the conceptual understanding of these tools would be necessary. An example of a good user interface (albeit not a GUI) is the menu used to configure the kernel. If you know a little bit about Linux you can build a functional kernel without ever looking at any documentation other than the short hints you can get by pressing H when you don't understand something. It's truly an exception in the Linux world.

On the other hand, memorizing all that fstab stuff enough that I wouldn't forget it afterwards, so that I could do it at any time without looking at the docs, would take me multiple hours over a period of days and even then I would have to review the material every couple months or so for the first year. Doing it one or two times per year just isn't enough to commit all that into memory.

I'm not saying settings should go into an sqlite database or something. I'm just saying have a good, complete user interface to modify the config files, and ideally only have a few formats that you choose from depending on which ones map best to your data and stick with them, like JSON, XML (despite the bad rap it gets), standarized CSV and so on. Tab separated files are not a good option IMO because of the aforementioned issue with spaces, some files accept it and others don't.

>>1072608

The man page for wpa_cli is shit. It should have a simple example that you can follow to connect to a home WP* network. The first couple times I used it I was always confused when it told me there was no network when I tried connecting to a network, right after ap_results showed the SSID right there. It took me a while to remember that I first have to "add" an empty network for the rest of the commands to work. That's the first thing that should be on the fucking man page. Every man page should have an introductory section explaining the basics of how to use the command for the most common use cases, and an examples section with again the typical use cases.

Only half the problems with Linux are strictly functional, the other half are with bad UI and documentation that is merely a list of command line flags, especially the official documentation that's shipped with the system/program and not the ever changing and sometimes inaccurate wikis for various distros or even random blog posts which people are sometimes forced to use because of a lack of better documentation.

Sometimes there's no documentation at all, like for the allowed parameters to particular Xorg drivers and stuff like that.

>>1072633

>Fine, they might be memes, but they are not I-was-just-pretending-to-be-retarded bait, they are legit criticisms

OP, is that you? Get outta here. xD

>I meant editing it just to get a working install on a blank disk. But yeah, distros that are making at least a minimal effort to stop being retarded have a GUI or ncurses interface (which sometimes is more useful, like when not having a functional Xorg server or being on SSH) to set up basic partition schemes.

This isn't the answer to my question, so I'm very upset.

>I don't remember the syntax for fstab off the top of my head. Do you?

I don't, but man fstab does. It's very short, you should check it out.

>I don't remember the command to get the UUID of my disks.

I don't use UUID scheme at all actually. I just happened to tinker with it a bit. Before our talk I thought that the only way to do it was to work with udev device files in /dev/disk, but it appears fstab supports it somehow.

>What if I'm on a console with no way of copying and pasting

Are you on the UNIX machine from the 80s? xD

Then you should know everything way better than me.

But even if you are, you could do something really quick and stupid, like appending the output of the command with >> to the fstab, then editing the rest out with an editor.

>What about a specific partition on that disk?

What about it? Is GUI any better? What the fuck?

>What about the all the relevant flags for any filesystem you might use. I don't remember them.

man mount knows

And man mount will be much better for the reference if you "don't remember".

>Was the name you have to use for the encrypted filesystem dm-crypt or dmCrypt? How do I specify the cipher and mode of operation for a headerless partition?

Never thought about it (I don't use it), are we still in the fstab scope? 'Cause I don't think so.

>How do I specify LVM partitions

You don't use LVM at all. xP

>See, a well made GUI would make reading the documentation for all that shit unnecessary.

A well-made GUI for that shit would include way too many moving parts and become a maintainance nightmare. Like, you have listed all the technologies that need to be incorporated yourself. I mean, we DO need a lot of validity checks and options here, right?

>It would turn a two hour job into a 10 minute job, because only the conceptual understanding of these tools would be necessary.

It actually wouldn't. The job is still 10 minutes alright, and you do need a rather deep knowledge if you do some non-standard shit.

>If you know a little bit about Linux you can build a functional kernel without ever looking at any documentation other than the short hints you can get by pressing H when you don't understand something.

This is kinda bullshit. I suppose it's better than editing kernel configs by hand (which I wouldn't do because of the dependencies), but I have spent literally a week at my computer once going through each option in make menuconfig, though I had rather ambitious plans at the time. The kernel configuration is huge and even walking through its options without reading much will take you a few hours. Well, for the first time, at least.

>memorizing all that fstab stuff enough that I wouldn't forget it afterwards, so that I could do it at any time without looking at the docs

You know, man pages are written the way they are precisely so you can quickly peek at them and make a new config.

>I'm just saying have a good, complete user interface to modify the config files

I wouldn't mind a uniform scheme for all the configs, but that's beside the point. The point was that GUI can go fuck itself, it's not simple, it's not easier to modify (take regedit), it has no fucking advantages other than you can check boxes and fill fields.

>and ideally only have a few formats that you choose from depending on which ones map best to your data and stick with them

Shit like that is the pain in the arse to type, and again, if you wanna move every config to GUI, justify its usefulness first.

So, overall, while you do have some valid points (that config ecosystem on loonix is widely diverse and needs fixing, but hey, that's bazaar for you), your general standpoint is retarded. You either have some reading problems or you're just retarded in general. Like, fuck, how do you read 99 line man page (man fstab) for 2 hours? Get the fuck outta here.

>>1072633

…

Though I kinda feel you on the bazaar part. Linux ecosystem is very shitty, but I think it's tied into the bazaar model itself. Like, we cannot even have a uniform build system FFS. Autotools do not please everyone. And you want devs themselves to make their configs somewhat aligned. Well, good luck with that. Or maybe you propose to be a hero and make a tool to clean up the mess yourself? Don't you have anything better to do than meticulously parsing all possible configs out there to convert them into something else for everybody to use and back for the programs? Don't think so, buddy.

>>1072579

>freedesk-topjew networkmanager

but why? why?

>>1072655

What are you talking about? Something I'm missing?

>>1072468

Void is absolute trash, stop spreading false information you retarded ricer.

>>1072469

mistake

Sage

>>1072458 (OP)

>>>/tech/1071319

>>1072700

most people think spatially. evolution has made us really good at navigating different environments, but not that great at recalling and entering different abstract texts into boxes. It's much easier for most people to process "I move the mouse to this menu, click it, then move it to this button and click that."

>>1072700

Terry made templeos really easy to install if i remember correctly. tbh fucking around in a command line to install a OS is pretty annoying. (Although OP is a nigger because he could used a UI) having to read shit to install it is also pretty shit. I dont want to waste time trying to install an OS when i could be using it and enjoying using it. Seems more like a hobby sort of thing to install arch or other operating systems where you have to do a bunch of commamds and shit.

>>1072554

no

the only case it's true is when you choose static network in installer

>>1072648

>UUID

>fstab

>wpa

>Xorg

>LVM

>SSH

>xD

>xP

>kernel

shut up your stupid unix mouth. I don't know what that stupid words and symbols mean. on Mac or Windows I just click on GUI button and it connects to everything I want, those OS also have GUI text editor, not some atari/commodore-like shit

I have a life in opposition to you, so I won't waste my time for memorizing some stupid unix manuals and shit. if you want to waste your time then go ahead. but I bet that you don't even have a girlfriend. get a life, get a girlfriend, get laid. start doing real things, not wasting your time looking at stupid black screen with some magic words. after 5 or 10 years you will look back at your past and you will cry that you lost your life staring at stupid black screen. you will be miserable, you probably already are.

>>1072671

>Sorry op, I linked the wrong code, it was definitely this one.

no. the first picture was correct, this one is wrong. I am setting cable connection, not wlan

>But by now I'm sure you may have figured it out.

no, I don't. looking for better OS that Void shit

>And yeah they should have a simpler example

void should tell how to edit a file if they tell me to edit file

or just provide GUI and tell what to click on it

>>1072700

>Why do people hate terminals?

because they are shit, unproductive

you have to spend 2 hours to learn nigger commands that you will use only once and forget them anyway

on GUI you don't learn anything you just click on creator and it does everything for you. you are productive

>>1072721

>Although OP is a nigger because he could used a UI

how?

>>1072648

>Are you on the UNIX machine from the 80s? xD

No, but I might be installing fucking Arch since it doesn't give you Xorg with the installer.

>But even if you are, you could do something really quick and stupid, like appending the output of the command with >> to the fstab, then editing the rest out with an editor.

Would be unnecessary if there was an ncurses interface that just let you choose the damn UUID.

>What about it? Is GUI any better? What the fuck?

Of course it is. I wouldn't have to output anything, just pick the thing off a list.

>And man mount will be much better for the reference if you "don't remember".

How about not needing to waste my time reading stuff that I don't care about before going on with my life?

>Never thought about it (I don't use it), are we still in the fstab scope? 'Cause I don't think so.

Isn't the purpose of fstab mounting filesystems? Why should each user have to write a hacked together script to do what should be basic OS functionality?

>You don't use LVM at all. xP

I do, actually. It's the only way I know of that allows you to make the kernel recognize an arbitrary range of a block device as a set of partitions, which is useful for deniable (headerless) encryption.

>A well-made GUI for that shit would include way too many moving parts and become a maintainance nightmare

Oh, is "maintainance nightmare" code word for "only putting the absolutely bare minimum effort"? Because if so yes, it's a "maintainance nightmare".

>The kernel configuration is huge and even walking through its options without reading much will take you a few hours

Weird. The first time I compiled a kernel I only took like 2 hours. Of course you don't have to read every single hint, some things just aren't relevant to the hardware you're using and you can tell just by looking at the name.

>Shit like that is the pain in the arse to type

They wouldn't be designed to have to type shit in. Besides, CSV is not harder to type than TSV.

>take regedit

Why do you expect regedit to be easy to modify when there's no source for it available?

>The point was that GUI can go fuck itself, it's not simple, it's not easier to modify (take regedit)

Because whatever nook and crannies of systemd that read from fstab are easy to modify? Have you ever done such a thing?

GUI programs aren't necessarily much harder to modify than command line programs. Maybe you're scared of it and thing it's a big deal because you've never done GUI programming. And don't present a strawman, I'm not saying programs should be exclusively GUI. I'm fine with GUI, TUI (ncurses) and readline programs, as well as APIs and web daemons. Ideally a program would have different kinds of interfaces for different situations, but as long as your program doesn't require to edit config files by hand with a special snowflake syntax you're ahead of the curve in the Linux world.

>it has no fucking advantages other than you can check boxes and fill fields

Research the concept of "discoverability". GUIs certainly do have advantages as well as some downsides.

>>1072756

>I don't know what that stupid words and symbols mean. on Mac or Windows I just click on GUI button and it connects to everything I want

You can't do everything on Windows without having certain knowledge. For example you can't create an extended and logical partitions from GUI, you have to use a tool called diskparted (on GNU/Linux a similar tool is called fdisk, thing on your list). Half of names on this list are things someone having basic CS knowledge should know, for example UUID, ssh, kernel. Sure if the only thing you must do on your computer is opening an 'app' or a browser, you don't have to know these things, but hey, we're on /tech/. On MacOS there are things you can't do with GUI either, because if you didn't know it's an unix-like OS. And professionals rarely use GUI's because they're often buggy or give you less control over what you're doing.

>>1072769

>a tool called diskparted

I mean diskpart

>>1072737

All the commands have help files. They're just as "discoverable". You've clearly never seen regular people use a computer. They don't just click around. They just give up and do things the longest possible way.

>>1072700

Terry also hated MITniggers and their fixation on hobbyist Linux distros. CLI is good when it's implemented correctly and TempleOS is actually pretty intuitive.

>>1072771

Yeah obviously the word discoverable refers to reading manuals. They needed a new word to describe reading manuals. Thank you anon you sure do know a lot.

>>1072764

>No, but I might be installing fucking Arch since it doesn't give you Xorg with the installer.

Now, I'm not sure about Arch, but there are probably distros that include gpm daemon. Meaning, you can copy/paste in loonix console.

>Would be unnecessary if there was an ncurses interface that just let you choose the damn UUID.

Yaknow, if I installed 10+ new systems every day, I might think about it. Or maybe I just would write a script for it once, because it's easier than interfacing with some program to lookup possible block devices and make uuids out of them. We're working hot garbage bazaar here.

>How about not needing to waste my time reading stuff that I don't care about before going on with my life?

How about you shut up your stupid mouth? Are you telling me right now that with some mount options given to you in GUI without reference, you're gonna magically know what they do? That shit isn't self-explanatory, yo. Are you gonna squeeze that shit into pop-up hints? Get outta here, seriously.

>Isn't the purpose of fstab mounting filesystems?

Some encrypted block of data isn't exactly a filesystem. It could be anything, and mount would rightfully choke up if not for some other program to make actual addressing available. That's why you use crypttab or whatever.

>Why should each user have to write a hacked together script to do what should be basic OS functionality?

I don't use disk encryption, because if glowers will come for me in my country, I will be just tortured to say all keys, and I am not sure about yours either. I mean, if there is a lot at stake for them, they might just torture you.

But AFAIK disk encryption is not really "hacked together" in loonix.

Also, what mainstream systems support full disk encryption as a part of OS functionality? Real mode: without strings attached? xD

>deniable (headerless) encryption.

Deniable, my ass.

>Oh, is "maintainance nightmare" code word for

The thing with that is that it's going to become continuous ongoing effort to incorporate all features, and the gain seems a lot smaller than the effort to put in. It's like with a Pareto principle.

>Weird. The first time I compiled a kernel I only took like 2 hours.

I took my time to read as much as I could on every feature online. It included some hardware too, but not much. It wasn't the best use of my time, but now I know to a great degree how much shit I can actually disable.

So, 2 hours for something as "trivial" as incorporating SATA/FS/vidya drivers into the kernel? (well, that's what you could use it for in general) Sounds like waste of time for me. And, like, can you quickly pinpoint these features in that mess to toggle them, without any extra documentation, like online wikis? Guess not.

>They wouldn't be designed to have to type shit in. Besides, CSV is not harder to type than TSV.

Whatever. CSV is fine, I guess. I legitimately don't care about format that much, and I don't see why you would. Typing various kinds of braces <>()[]{} can suck it though.

>Because whatever nook and crannies of systemd that read from fstab are easy to modify?

I meant that configuration files themselves are not exactly easy to modify. Like, even when you use a GUI tool, it is actually NOT as easy as you make it out to be. There will be a lot of context switching, its purpose is kinda defeated if you have to put strings over there anyway, etc.

So, to make a better counter-argument to that, I think it's mostly the actual DESIGN of configs that is at fault here, not the fact that they are text files to edit.

>Maybe you're scared of it and thing it's a big deal because you've never done GUI programming

One thing about Linux is that GUI (X Window System) is absolute shit here and I don't wanna waste my time coding for that. Well, outside of bare minimum. xD

Also (((freedesktop))) efforts to unify this mess somehow have failed too. Like, there are some good things to come out of it, I guess, like font rendering stack is pretty decent, but most user experience shit is concentrated in GTK/QT platforms, and they are both bad. There is still no uniform way to do screensaving/locking. The list is expandable.

>Research the concept of "discoverability"

It's bullshit if not entirely, then by degree you make it out to be useful. Well, for config editing, not in general. In general there are applications (not as in "programs", but as in "applying to something") where texting is either impossible or has much worse learning curve (though with greater potential in some cases, like, I think honestly inventing a mouse was a mistake, but inventing vi was great).

>>1072849

>loonix

>>>/g/

>Are you gonna squeeze that shit into pop-up hints?

See? You're learning how to design good user interfaces! Good boy!

>It could be anything

It mounts the LVM pv after it's opened with dm-crypt you mong.

>I will be just tortured to say all keys

That's why you put your encrypted data into the free space of a Windows filesystem and say you filled the disk with urandom before creating the partition you fucking drooling nigger.

>Also, what mainstream systems support full disk encryption as a part of OS functionality? Real mode: without strings attached? xD

None, that's why I said disk encryption on Linux is a hacked together piece of shit. See? Even with brain damage you can figure some things out. Good job!

>>1072849

>the mouse is shit

Laptop niggers can fuck off honestly. You fags are just a precursor to the touch screen retards who in about 3 years will be telling us all their great ideas about UI.

>>1072857

>See? You're learning how to design good user interfaces!

Get outta here with that nonsense.

There is only so much you can put into hints without turning your UI into shit. man mount is fucking huge though, so you would have to redesign mount interface too, which was mostly the point of the previous post.

>It mounts the LVM pv after it's opened with dm-crypt you mong.

That means if you took your time to configure a lot of other shit for that, it shouldn't be a problem for you to do a final step in fstab.

>That's why you put your encrypted data into the free space of a Windows filesystem

That looks like a recipe for failure TBH. I wouldn't have anything of importance on some traveling system, and if glowers come for you to your home, they will seize everything if they are not retarded. Thus, no sensitive data at home, period.

>None, that's why I said disk encryption on Linux is a hacked together piece of shit.

It has kernel support, so whatever.

>>1072859

>clicking retard projecting

Nice one.

>>1072458 (OP)

kys brainlet