▶ No.1047334
>>1047322 (OP)
>global warming
just another kike psyop to make the goyim beg the government to lower their living standard
▶ No.1047337
All wncieonmwnrliara ahouls uaw X.
▶ No.1047361
The site said perl, python, and ruby use the most electricity.
▶ No.1047391>>1047393 >>1047408
>>1047389
luckily for us, around 1998 the global warming pause began so we didn't all die in 2000.
https://isthereaglobalwarmingpause.com/
▶ No.1047393>>1047403 >>1047408
>>1047391
but then the climatologists discovered that not only warmth was caused by global warming but also coldness, and it was thus decided that the phenomenon shall henceforth be called "climate change".
ctrl-f "global warming freezing"
http://archivecaslytosk.onion/http://foia2011.org/
▶ No.1047403
▶ No.1047408>>1047409
>>1047389
>>1047391
>>1047393
Back to /pol/, stormfaggot.
▶ No.1047409
>>1047408
>Everyone who isn't a climate activist is /pol/
Top notch argument, convinced/10
You're wrong tho.
▶ No.1047410>>1047412
>>1047389
People like you are why I stopped believing in free speech.
▶ No.1047412
>>1047410
>I stopped believing in free speech.
You accidentally clicked the wrong bookmark. You wanted to click on https://m.facebookcorewwwi.onion
▶ No.1047423>>1047428
Don't worry I signed the paris agreement pledging that I would stop using Haskell over the next 30 years unless I had a good reason to use Haskell.
▶ No.1047428
>>1047423
Good point. I use c++ and have my kernel/bios set to energy save.
I should be praised and allowed to sell energy certificates to dirty scriptfags.
I do accept Bitc-- oh wait. Shit.
▶ No.1047435>>1047583 >>1047662
Aside from global warming being fear mongering spread by the governments to trivialize the nigger invasion and the prosperity of the average citizen, the benchmark is also shit.
>Rust faster than C++
Unrealistic. This is just comparing how shit these Portuguese write in different programming languages.
>Lua slower than PHP
Neither Lua5 nor LuaJIT are slower than fucking PHP.
>benchmark
More like a test who has the darkest skin.
▶ No.1047463>>1047472
>using a line in a discrete axis
We could introduce carbon credits in programming, so if a programmer writes shit code he could buy credits from a programmer who lowered his carbon footprint by killing niggers.
▶ No.1047472>>1047474 >>1047480 >>1047499
>>1047463
>who lowered his carbon footprint by killing niggers
Well, while you don't necessarily have to concentrate on niggers, it does lower the value of 'P'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueKQ5AHsShw
▶ No.1047474>>1047478
>>1047472
>0:28
>how we can get this down to 0
>all plants die
>all plant eaters die
>all meat eaters die
Bill Gates needs to be shot!
▶ No.1047478>>1047576
>>1047474
>Bill Gates needs to be shot!
Yes, with polio flu vaccines :^)
Also I think he's talking about human emissions.
Those being just about 2% of the yearly carbon cycle it is unlikely we're gonna get the rest down to zero.
▶ No.1047480>>1047481
>>1047472
That formula is a gross oversimplification. The number of services that an african tribesman uses is only 10% of what an american uses.
With a choice between 1 lardbeast or 10 niggers, I'd rather save the planet _and_ save 9 bullets.
▶ No.1047481>>1047485 >>1047585
>>1047480
You're ignoring the fact niggers are being moved into our nations. So the damage they cause to the environment (which is far less important than the fact that may destroy mankind if we fail to repel them) will keep growing as long as we can afford to pay for them.
▶ No.1047484>>1047495
Who destroys the environment? You burning some fuel in your highly engineered car or a nigger trying to survive?
▶ No.1047485>>1047487
>>1047481
>So the damage they cause to the environment
environment != climate, stop using lead based bullets they harm the brain
▶ No.1047487
>>1047485
>he believes in global warming of any significance in the next few thousand years
Look at this faggot and laugh at him!
▶ No.1047490>>1047491 >>1047493 >>1047496 >>1047507 >>1047588
>>1047322 (OP)
Holy fuck every board is infested with these /pol/yps. This is actually an interesting topic, as Javascript is even more inefficient and actually massively used. But instead of discussion we get alt-right troglodytes shilling koch brothers propaganda FOR FREE
▶ No.1047491
>>1047490
>muh greenhouse gasses
You're just mad because people are starting to see through your nonsense attempts to incite global panic. Heil Trump! Heil our people! Heil victory!
▶ No.1047493
>>1047490
It's not our fault al gore and the certificate scammers are even wronger than the cock brothers in this point.
>alt-right troglodytes
I already told you i'm not alt-right.
▶ No.1047495>>1047496
>>1047484
Both. But humans at least produce something of use, while niggers do not. There's no rational reason to keep increasing their population.
▶ No.1047496>>1047499
>>1047495
I think so too.
>>1047490
>as Javascript is even more inefficient and actually massively used
I thought your kind wanted to give pajeets a chance in the first place.
Now go back to your site, foreigner!
▶ No.1047499>>1047501
>>1047472
Bill Gates is a shithead. It's completely nonsensical to split "services rendered" up into persons and sevices/persons. As he is a billionaire flying around in his private jet to eco-conferences he wants to hide the fact that he is causing thousands of times as much pollution as some hunter-gatherer.
>>1047496
>What is it, do you want your safespace back?
▶ No.1047501
>>1047499
GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM
▶ No.1047507
>>1047490
Yea, I think a lot of users just gave up and left in the last couple months because of this garbage.
▶ No.1047509
Yes goy, use a CPU with power sidechannels, it's for the environment.
▶ No.1047510>>1047561
Actually, we have had an extended, mild inter-glacial period that's gone for thousands of years longer than it normally would have, precisely because man began agriculture and other technology development over the past 8 or 9 thousand years. If mankind hadn't done so, we'd be in the middle of another ice age right now.
▶ No.1047561>>1047564
>>1047510
>If mankind hadn't done so, we'd be in the middle of another ice age right now.
[citation needed]
Also this is contrary to what climatologists claim who say that AGW started in 1940s.
▶ No.1047575
Why are here so many fags complaining about /pol/?
▶ No.1047576
>>1047478
>image
>Before industrial age, sources were balanced by sinks
>CO2 records show widely fluctuating values
Does not compute. Should I watch more Bill Nye until I understand?
▶ No.1047578
>chart at top of the article represents Haskell as being the biggest electricity hog
>actual table show Haskell isn't even close to the worst in this regard
Suspicious.
▶ No.1047583>>1047608 >>1048386
>>1047435
It would not surprise me if Rust were actually faster than C++ when using similar abstractions, because the Rust compiler has a lot more information that it can use to tell things like if a reference is being exclusively used somewhere. C++ has to be a lot more pessimistic during optimization.
Don't mistake me though it's still a language for jewish anarchists and trannies.
▶ No.1047585
>>1047481
>are being moved
Yes, being moved. By wealthy westerners with high carbon footprints.
▶ No.1047588>>1047592 >>1047609 >>1047631 >>1048232 >>1048236 >>1048266 >>1048441
This is a naive look at power usage. The average C program needs multiple years of development, tens of programmers or even thousands if it's a big project like Linux, and thousands of recompiles to iron out some of the bugs. All these recompiles and wasted time from UNIX slowness and bugs (which the weenies never fix) spread out across tens or hundreds of computers wastes a lot of power and as the Unix bloat gets worse the developers have to buy new computers to run their bloated weenie software, which costs massive amounts of energy to manufacture.
>>1047490
JavaScript is also a UNIX language. A real computer with a real operating system would use one real language for web pages like Lisp instead of three frontend languages plus G*d knows how many languages for all your bloated backend software.
Anything using C can't be related to performance or security. If this check is
really unnecessary, 1970s optimization techniques would be able to turn that
check into "true" at compile time, but this is written in C and the semantics
of C are "gee, I don't know, whatever the PDP-11 compiler did." This is
another example of C and UNIX weenies taking a big shit on decades of
computer science. Browsers are also tens of millions of lines of code
because web "standards" are made in the UNIX style of hacks and kludges
instead of being designed by smart people.
Looking at the code, it's just a simple usage of bignums, which Lisp could
evaluate at compile time. This could even be a compile-time error if it's false.
Speaking of C and UNIX sucking, I got this error when looking at those links.
The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to
maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.
Apache Server at trac.torproject.org Port 443
▶ No.1047592
>>1047588
The difference being those development machines can easily get more energy through a wall socket.
This is a look at IoT devices with built in batteries.
>G*d
Oh fuck off you semite worshiper. Yaweh sucks cocks.
▶ No.1047608>>1047631 >>1048230
>>1047583
>were
was
>faster than C++
But it isn't and it won't be. And maybe never even as fast.
▶ No.1047609>>1047612
>>1047588
>All these recompiles and wasted time from UNIX slowness and bugs (which the weenies never fix) spread out across tens or hundreds of computers wastes a lot of power
Are you a time traveler from the middle of the last century? Tens or even hundreds of computers aren't considered many today. We're long past the market for perhaps 5 computers worldwide. And devs are a tiny portion of the population, even if all devs did was recompile linux from scratch all day long that isn't much power.
▶ No.1047612
>>1047609
>Are you a time traveler from the middle of the last century?
He wishes.
▶ No.1047631>>1047639
▶ No.1047639>>1047756
>>1047631
The same is claimed of the Julia interpreted scripting language and C.
You can't be faster than C. Whenever someone makes a benchmark proving otherwise, he's just showing of the library templates in their specific best case performance scenario.
▶ No.1047641>>1047643
Jesus Christ Lua is one of the worst on the list. I'm starting to not respect this language quite as much as I used to.
▶ No.1047642>>1047643
What is the most energy-efficient language to use for server-side web page operations?
▶ No.1047643>>1047645 >>1047652
>>1047641
>Power uasge matters
it really, really doesn't
>>1047642
read the chart. It's c
▶ No.1047645>>1047647
>>1047643
It really, really does for anyone who uses a portable device.
▶ No.1047647>>1047648
>>1047645
Majority of power usage comes from the screen and the radio. Language choice is a drop in the bucket
▶ No.1047648>>1047658
>>1047647
That's the same kind of garbage people use to justify every other kind of bloat, especially in web development. Just as programming fast code is important in aggregate, so too is programming energy-efficient code.
▶ No.1047652>>1047658
>>1047643
It does, more power means higher temperature which means lower frequency which means slowing down.
That and energy costs a lot in a datacenter, that cooling isn't cheap. Optimizing for energy isn't so easy though, it isn't obvious like with performance.
▶ No.1047658>>1047669
>>1047652
>>1047648
fair enough, but they weren't testing luajit, which is the fast and therefore energy efficient variant.
▶ No.1047662>>1047668
>>1047435
some tasks in Lua are certainly worse than PHP. Regexes for example.
▶ No.1047668>>1047678
>>1047662
There is no realistic situation where LuaJIT is slower than PHP.
▶ No.1047669
>>1047658
Purely interpreted Lua is still a lot faster than PHP. The benchmark is simply bullshit.
▶ No.1047678
>>1047668
I'm not going to learn PHP even to win an argument, but consider:
$ luajit spamr.lua
Time : 8370 ms
MaxRSS: 15852 kB
$ python3 spamr.py
Time : 2326 ms
MaxRSS: 24160 kB
$ perl spamr.pl
Time : 1346 ms
MaxRSS: 24692 kB
$ julia spamr.jl
Time : 2384 ms
MaxRSS: 222112 kB
from
function sval_pairs(t)
local keys = {}
for k in pairs(t) do keys[#keys+1] = k end
table.sort(keys, function(a,b) return t[a] > t[b] end)
local i = 0
return function()
i = i + 1
if keys[i] then
return keys[i], t[keys[i]]
end
end
end
function topsenders(filename, limit)
local senders = {}
local file = io.open(filename, "r")
if not file then
io.stderr:write("failed to open ", filename, " for reading\n")
os.exit(1)
end
for line in file.lines(file) do
-- needs to use a different regex for VPSes
_, _, email = string.find(line, "^%S+ %S+ %S+ <= (%S+)")
if email and email ~= "<>" then
if senders[email] then
senders[email] = senders[email] + 1
else
senders[email] = 1
end
end
end
local i = 0
for k in sval_pairs(senders) do
i = i + 1
if i > limit then return end
print(senders[k] .. " " .. k)
end
end
topsenders("exim_mainlog", 5)
vs
#! /usr/bin/env julia
function top_senders()
senders = Dict{String,Int32}()
total = zero(Int32)
open("exim_mainlog") do file
for line in eachline(file)
m = match(r"^(?:\S+ ){3,4}<= (?!<>)([^@]+\@(\S+))", line)
if m !== nothing
senders[m.captures[1]] = get(senders, m.captures[1], zero(Int32)) + 1
total += 1
end
end
end
sort(collect(senders), by=x->x[2], rev=true)[1:min(5, senders.count)]
end
println(top_senders())
Lua's built-in pattern-matching is weaker but still about as slow as GNU libc regex.
▶ No.1047697
you posted from image, nigger
here is correct one https://storage.googleapis.com/cdn.thenewstack.io/media/2018/05/3730357d-results-energy-time-and-memory-usage-screenshot-from-research-paper.png
also this research is a scam
how can Pascal software be 3 times slower than C software, when Pascal is compiled structural language similar to C?
▶ No.1047706>>1047708 >>1047716 >>1047717
https://principia-scientific.org/the-four-known-scientific-ways-carbon-dioxide-cools-earth-s-climate/
TD;DR:
CO2, speacially in presence of other gases like H2O, acts as a coolant, it heats up at surface level, goes up, it cools down and moves back into the ground with a cold temperature.
▶ No.1047708
>>1047706
I'm not a climatologist but from what I recall the whole problem is while CO2 is in the atmosphere.
▶ No.1047716
>>1047706
>TD;DR
It certainly is. Of course, if you took the time to read it you might spot that it's full of bullshit. I especially liked their "Keynesian Economics' Relationship to Economic Problems" article written by an inventor that's literally nothing but Wikipedia links. Seems legit!
▶ No.1047717
▶ No.1047756>>1047791
>>1047639
>C
We were talking about C++. I guess you're a bit Cnile? :^)
▶ No.1047767>>1047793
>ada is higher then rust
adafags btfo
▶ No.1047791>>1047872
>>1047756
And you're a retarded nocoder. C is nearly a subset of C++ or as the inventor of C++ described it: a subset with a few exceptions
You can malloc, realloc, free in C++ too and do the "fast" thing C did.
Just because there is an alternative way in C++ like nullptr, doesn't mean you have to use it.
Unless you do type deduction (which didn't exist in C) you can freely use NULL everywhere instead.
Julia also isn't faster than the C++ of the average shitcoder if that's what you wanted to hear.
▶ No.1047793>>1047872
>>1047767
I told you fags the benchmark is shit. You can't test languages. Only implementations.
I'm not an ada programmer but from what I remember the best Ada compilers are commercial.
Can some Ada programmer confirm or deny this?
▶ No.1047813>>1047841 >>1047851 >>1047872
>>1047322 (OP)
What kind of retarded brainless cunt put a trend line on this shitty graph?
▶ No.1047841>>1047842 >>1047851
>>1047813
>What kind of retarded brainless cunt put a trend line on this shitty graph?
It's all right. The author of this beautiful graph predicted the existence of hybrid programming languages, for example Go-Haskell hybrid would have the same memory usage as Ada.
▶ No.1047842
▶ No.1047851>>1047868
>>1047813
>>1047841
>What kind of retarded brainless cunt put a trend line on this shitty graph?
Can we stop talking about science and get back to the main point of this thread?
This is about the climate, and all programming languages do produce code that needs electricity to run.
▶ No.1047868>>1047872 >>1047952
>>1047851
In my opinion programming languages and compilation aren't as bad for the planet as proprietary software and bloat.
Just think about all this software and hardware that had worked, but were made unusable, thatks to greed, consumerism and capitalism. For the same things, 1GB of RAM and Pentium processor were fine in the past, for example office stuff, now you need 4GB just for the system to work, where half of it is eaten by a web browser. I mean Windows and proprietary software of course.
Also gamers and crypto currency miners are cancer. Games are not as optimised as they were in the past, because a good consumer will buy powerful hardware and their game anyway. Ultra graphics should be forbidden.
▶ No.1047872>>1047875 >>1047879
>>1047791
>all this irrelevant shit
We were talking about C++.
>>1047793
weak damage control
>>1047813
based
>>1047868
ultrabased except for the last 3 sentences which are ultraunbased
▶ No.1047875>>1047878 >>1047882 >>1050390
>>1047872
>ultrabased except for the last 3 sentences which are ultraunbased
Cryptocurrencies are good for privacy and give controll back to users, but they're not environment-friendly. I don't know how efficient proprietary, centralised bank systems are thouh. It is possible that replacing banks with crypto would be better, but this needs investigation.
I'm not a big fan of forbiding things, but living without ultra graphics is possible, whereas without stabile climate and ecosystem is not (excluding utopian shelters). Playing with potato graphics is eco-friendly and gamers should be aware of it.
Also most games are botnet, so you shouldn't play them anyway. SuperTuxKart is fine, but it's a resurce hog.
Second last is actually true, prove me wrong.
▶ No.1047878>>1047892
>>1047875
>muh climate change
lol
Protip: The human body isn't environment-friendly. Better kill yourself.
>Second last is actually true, prove me wrong.
That's not how it works. You made the claim, so you have to prove it.
▶ No.1047879>>1047899
>>1047872
>>all this irrelevant shit
>We were talking about C++.
The irrelevant shit told you that it's possible to write C++ code that's just as fast as C.
>weak damage control
>he wrote to defend a benchmark with a fucking trend line through a bar chart of programming languages
I wish I could just do >all this irrelevant shit but you don't have any arguments to start with.
▶ No.1047882>>1047887 >>1047892 >>1050390
>>1047875
>Cryptocurrencies
More like blockchain currencies.
>but they're not environment-friendly
Who fucking cares?
What I'd be worried about is everything in my country using one crypto and and my lights going out because blockchains require exponentially more energy and my countries electricity supply wouldn't be able to stem it.
▶ No.1047885>>1047886 >>1047887 >>1047899
One should also think about what environment-friendly actually means.
Are electrical cars environment friendly?
>Depends on where the energy is from.
Wrong. Giant batteries of toxic shit.
Is wind or water energy environment-friendly?
>Yes, totally they don't produce any dirt!
No, wind requires massive areas from nature to build all those wind turbines on and requires to be stored in water energy because wind doesn't blow every day.
Water energy requires reservoirs to be effective, destroying lots of nature. And sooner or later the dirt the river carries will the river floor before the wall higher causing the damm to overflow if it doesn't get removed with giant amounts of machinery and work.
The whole environment-friendly thing is a scam on commoners expectations.
▶ No.1047886>>1047896 >>1047897
>>1047885
>wind requires massive areas from nature
You can build windfarms outside forests you know.
>Water energy requires reservoirs to be effective, destroying lots of nature.
It isn't a lot (unless you're a hippie), and it isn't like burning coal or oil doesn't kill more than just a few people and animals every year.
▶ No.1047887>>1047896
>>1047882
>>1047885
>environment-friendly
> environment-friendly
>environment-friendly
environment != climate
One is the fight against monsanto, the other against co2.
But humans are indeed considered by some a massive co2 source that needs to be pruned.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2007-12-10/put-carbon-tax-on-babies-academic/983380
>my lights going out because blockchains require exponentially more energy
That's not how cryptocurrencies work.
If your electricity grid is that bad, at best you'll get bigtime weed growers draining your power and that's only an issue until cannabis is legalized wherever you live.
>>Cryptocurrencies
>More like blockchain currencies.
Are there cryptocurrencies that work without blockchain?
Also there are the (centralized) Proof of Stake coins like PeerCoin which are blockchain based but need no ressources.
They're useless though until the problem requiring centralization is solved :-/
▶ No.1047892>>1047896 >>1047899
>>1047878
<>muh climate change
>lol
>Protip: The human body isn't environment-friendly. Better kill yourself.
You're a flat earthed idiot. Did you born yesterday? You don't have to be a scientist to see, the climate is changing. I see it every year - winters are shorter and less cold, the weather is more extreme.
https://climate.nasa.gov/
>>1047882
>Who fucking cares?
Sane people who don't deny the fact, we're destroying the world we're living in.
▶ No.1047894
>>1047389
>It's exactly like those newspapers from 1912 talking about muh 6 million
Global Warming set to be the next 'Holocaust' aspect of the narrative in 20-30 years.
▶ No.1047896>>1047909 >>1047915
>>1047886
It still needs maintenance and storage in water energy.
>unless you're a hippie
What if I was and told you smoking my weed is less harmful than water energy?
>burning coal or oil
Ever heard about nuclear power plants.
>>1047887
The fight against Monsanto is important. I wouldn't fight CO². Without CO² all plants would die and all life on the planet would vanish you retard.
>>1047892
>Sane people who don't deny the fact,
Sane people care about their lights staying on. And we can't produce infinite energy.
>we're destroying the world
The chinks, niggers, monsanto etc destroy the world. Of course it would help if we had less plastic packaging but that's minor.
▶ No.1047897
>>1047886
Also, you cant build them in the middle of the ocean because electricity isn't exactly transportable and if you build them in front of land masses you'll destroy coral riffs etc. Valuable underwater life.
▶ No.1047899>>1047901 >>1047909
>>1047879
>The irrelevant shit told you that it's possible to write C++ code that's just as fast as C.
But nobody was talking about C. Until you came in screeching about how C is the fastest, that is.
>>1047885
gigabased
>>1047892
>You're a flat earthed idiot. Did you born yesterday? You don't have to be a scientist to see, the climate is changing. I see it every year - winters are shorter and less cold, the weather is more extreme.
>https://climate.nasa.gov/
back_to_reddit.png
▶ No.1047900
I wish to remind everyone that the first cars were electric and where replaced by motor cars because electric cars were and still are fucking inefficient.
So was water and wind energy.
▶ No.1047901>>1047902 >>1047903
>>1047899
>But nobody was talking about C. Until you came in screeching about how C is the fastest, that is.
>We were talking about C++.
Way to contradict yourself, faggot.
▶ No.1047902
>>1047901
unbased and antisaged
▶ No.1047903>>1047904
>>1047901
Just STFU. You are both faggots. Jesus, the amount of autists on this board.
▶ No.1047904
>>1047903
unbased and downsaged
▶ No.1047909>>1047910 >>1047921 >>1047996
>>1047896
>Sane people care about their lights staying on. And we can't produce infinite energy.
You don't produce energy. Read the first law of thermodynamics
<energy can be transformed from one form to another, but can be neither created nor destroyed
>The chinks, niggers, monsanto etc destroy the world. Of course it would help if we had less plastic packaging but that's minor.
>chinks
Yes, there is a lot of them.
>niggers
I don't think so - Africa is underdeveloped and they don't use a lot of power.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_energy_consumption
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_energy_consumption
China uses a lot of energy, but it's nothing compared to the USA. The American way of living and consumerism are the worst.
>>1047899
>Oh no he gave me the real data!
>I'll just write back_to_reddit.png, because I don't have any arguments.
>Now the problem solved!
Maybe you should go bact to reddit yourself and ask your friends about the climate change, because even braindead normies seem to know better, than you.
You probably are confused, because the site is to complicated for you to use, so here you go, exact link to what's the most important:
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
▶ No.1047910>>1047912
>>1047909
Wow you're so cool and smart! Tell me, how can I become as cool and smart as you?
▶ No.1047912
>>1047910
>Wow you're so cool and smart! Tell me, how can I become as cool and smart as you?
UwU thanks sweetie~! <3
I just read a lot of books and think about what I've just read.
▶ No.1047915>>1047938 >>1048540 >>1050395
>>1047896
Nuclear isn't a realistic alternative, it has too much bad press even if you ignore the building costs.
>The chinks, niggers, monsanto etc destroy the world.
Chinks do a lot of damage since they build most of the small things everyone buys, but you're being very dishonest ignoring the US, and, to a smaller degree, Europe.
>niggers
Niggers completely destroy their local environment since they're a virus. But to fuck with it globally you need industry and that's too much work for niggers. They will cause more damage as they're moved to human nations (who give them gibs which they use to buy swag made in china), but then the bigger problem becomes niggers and environmental issues become unimportant.
▶ No.1047919
Glad global warming is a hoax, if it wasn't we'd be in serious trouble for using python.
▶ No.1047920>>1047924 >>1048442
>>1047322 (OP)
>Anyone who questions C is a climate change denier
The C cultists are on the ropes, LMAO!
▶ No.1047921>>1047926 >>1047931
>>1047909
>You don't produce energy.
>muh energy can only be converted
I'm talking about making electrons move your retard. It has nothing to do with total energy being constant.
>Read the first law of thermodynamics
>of thermodynamics
It has nothing to do with thermodynamics unless applied to thermodynamics, you fucking mongol.
It's called law of energy conservation
>Africa is underdeveloped and they don't use a lot of power.
Niggers aren't only in Afrika and while they don't use lots of electricity, they can't handle modern civilization and not being able to just throw the trash their holding into the environment.
▶ No.1047924
>>1047920
HolyC is the only true faith, heretic.
▶ No.1047926
>>1047921
>their holding
*they're
▶ No.1047931>>1047940
>>1047921
>unless applied to thermodynamics
everything is applied thermodynamics you fucking retard. If you're feeling curt you can just call it the first law, and people will know what you mean because it's the first law of fucking everything. (and before you ask, yes, the second law is the second law of everything as well).
▶ No.1047936>>1048037
Cryptocurrencies are the real threat to the planet. Anything based on repeated solving of pointless hashing needs to be relocated to a lunar server farm unless (((they))) want the oceans to boil. That definitely couldn't possibly be what they wanted though, could it?
▶ No.1047938>>1047940
>>1047915
>it has too much bad press
Who OWNS the press, huh?
protip: it's the kike-run gobbermend. Or have you ever seen the press questioning the state?
▶ No.1047940
>>1047931
What about the third law? Please enlighten me, oh all knowing LARPer.
>>1047938
based
▶ No.1047952
>>1047868
I used to be able to check email on my Pentium II 233MHz w/ 128MB RAM. Now my quad core 1.4GHz phone w/ 2GB RAM crashes trying to do the same task. Obviously the problem isn't slow hardware, it's shitty trannycode and pajeetcode
▶ No.1047962
>>1047322 (OP)
i think my iq just dropped i really should look away from this brain dead thread
▶ No.1047996
>>1047909
>China uses a lot of energy, but it's nothing compared to the USA. The American way of living and consumerism are the worst.
this
we need to kill consumerism, even if it means we have to kill all americans
Americans need to understand that they need to die because they are cancer of the world
▶ No.1048066
>>1047389
Guess what's happening.
▶ No.1048071
Climate is changing but it's neither warming nor caused by humanity, we're in a grand solar minimum right now. Another day, another lie.
▶ No.1048115>>1048126 >>1048249 >>1048253 >>1048386
>For added consistency, all of the tests were on a desktop running Linux Ubuntu Server 16.10 (kernel version 4.8.0-22-generic), with 16GB of RAM and a 3.20GHz Haswell Intel Core i5-4460 CPU.
This is the real problem with these benchmarks. Linux is written in C and "optimized" for C because that's what UNIX did. A lot of these language implementations depend on a C library in addition to the original library of the language. They're also slower because I/O has to be translated into C bullshit and has multiple incompatible layers of functions and data structures repeating the same thing. A multiprocessing language like Haskell has to implement its own scheduler on top of the UNIX scheduler, pretending POSIX/UNIX threads are CPU cores, when it really wants to work with CPU cores directly. On a real operating system, programs can use the threads provided by the OS directly because they're lightweight and have a good scheduler. Memory safe languages could avoid kludges like ASLR and use a shared address space, which would speed up context switching and IPC even more. The amount of overhead caused by C and UNIX is unbelievable.
UNIX's "static linking" is yet another reason programs use many times more memory than necessary. Programs on UNIX tend to copy and paste the runtimes into the executable instead of sharing a single copy across all programs on the machine (even the physical memory). Like Electron, that's an example of UNIX brain damage that didn't catch on until computers became fast enough and had enough memory that weenies were able to pretend it's not a problem. There are even more problems with UNIX's shitty "pipes" and I/O, null-terminated strings, bad memory managers, nonexistent error handling, and so on, which require languages to do more to work around UNIX than they would have to do if they were running without an OS. That's why UNIX is called the "un-operating system."
Don't complain about TLA programs vs. Unix. The typical
workstation Unix requires 3 - 6 Mb just for the kernel, and
provides less functionality (at the OS level) than the OSs
of yesteryear. It is not surprising that programs that ran
on adequate amounts of memory under those OSs have to
reimplement some of the functionality that Unix has never
provided.
What is Unix doing with all that memory? No, don't answer,
I know, it is all those pre-allocated fixed-sized tables and
buffers in the kernel that I'm hardly ever using on my
workstation but must have allocated at ALL times for the
rare times when I actually need them. Any non-brain-damaged
OS would have a powerful internal memory manager, but who
ever said that Unix was an OS?
What is Unix doing with all that file space? No don't
answer. It is providing all sorts of accounting junk which
is excesive for personal machines, and inadequate for large
systems. After all, any important file in the system has
been written by root -- terribly informative. And all that
wonderfully descriptive information after lots of memory
consumed by accounting daemons and megabytes of disk taken
up by the various useless log files.
Just so you won't say that it is only TLA OSs and software
that has such problems, consider everyone's favorite text
formatter, TeX (I'm being sarchastic, although when compared
with troff and relatives...). The original version ran
under FLA on PDP-10s. It is also bloated under Unix, and it
also must go through contortions in order to dump a
pre-loaded version of itself, among other things.
▶ No.1048123>>1048130
So it's confirmed, C really is the best language and everything else is pleb tier.
▶ No.1048126
>>1048115
>starts off with a valid point about Linux's scheduler and pthreads sucking
>goes off on an unrelated tangent about static linking and shared memory and electron and pipes because muh Unix
If we're going to talk about environmental friendliness, your ideal operating system would probably need custom hardware so manufacturing said hardware and tossing out our old hardware would have a pretty significant environmental impact, easily outweighing any benefits from a slightly better Haskell environment.
▶ No.1048130
>>1048123
>he doesn't want global warming
enjoy turning into an ice cube
▶ No.1048139>>1048143
It's settled then. If we want to save the earth, programming in C is the way to go. If you deny C you're also denying climate change.
▶ No.1048143
>>1048139
>denying climate change
manmade climate change
▶ No.1048175
>>1048037
You're underestimating the avarice of the average jew.
▶ No.1048232
>>1047588
>the lispfag was a kike all along
▶ No.1048234
>>1048230
not a merimutt. Explain please. Rust is singular, isn't it.
▶ No.1048236>>1048249 >>1048386
>>1047588
This.
I like you even more now!
I really regret Stallman didn't make lisp machine clone, instead of unix clone.
What do you think about Guix system and the GNU Hurd, which has modular design (forget about Unix for a moment pls). The devs of Guix try to unify the os by using one language - (guile (scheme (lisp))). Would you like to see a web browser using only Guile scheme for everything, instead of four fucking web languages (html, css, js, php)?
▶ No.1048249>>1048251 >>1048253 >>1048255
>>1048236
You've fallen for an imitator. >>1048115 is the real Lispfag.
Multics didn't have many "problems,"
I am not so sure about that. In 1973, I repeatedly brought down the system by
running a Fortran program in which I declared an array names ARRAY. I cant
remember whether this was illegal or not, ARRAY may have been a reserved
word, but in the context of Fortran 4, that could have depended on where it was
used.
I would not have complained if I got a printout with an error message - probably
"SYNTAX ERROR AT OR NEAR LINE 1 COLUMN 1". Instead the entire OS
would crash! This happened several times a day for several days before anyone
realised it was me. It was then possible to figure out what I had done wrong only
by deliberately crashing a few more times! I am sure that, over a 6 month period,
I had few days without a system crash. I may not have been the cause of most
of them.
In mitigation, none of my BASIC programs crashed bringing down the whole
system. (But they were only concerned with gathering data from users. The
Fortran stuff was solving Maxwell's wave equations).
Yes, I did ask for a PDP8 instead. I don't know how the costs would have
compared. What I do know, is my employers made a colossal amount of money
from that software, while I was paid £11 per week for 6 months. After it was
written, an apprentice could do in 30 minutes what had previously taken a degree
level physicist 3 months - and not only get the right answer, but prove that he
had, before gold plated parts were manufactured to the resulting spec. Then, if
there were manufacturing errors, predict whether the resulting predict would still
be in spec over a wide range of parameters, requiring only a single 30 minute lab
test to confirm my predictions, rather than 6 months field tests at the top of a 30
metre mast IN A FIELD WITH COWS or on the top of a war ship at sea - and
other scenarios where failure was rather expensive.
OK, so computers cost $1M in those days - the payback could be many times
that - per month. (But even then, engineers were treated like shit).
▶ No.1048251>>1048266 >>1048386
>>1048249
The imitator's still based.
▶ No.1048253>>1048266
>>1048249
>You've fallen for an imitator. >>1048115 is the real Lispfag.
Ok now I'm dizzy. Who is the first one, does the first one even exist?
I know there is one fag that tries to ridicule the sane lispfag by saying stupid things like that windows was badly designed because of unix philosophy.
If they share the same thoughts and principles, they're like a hive mind, so that's ok.
▶ No.1048255>>1048260
>>1048249
It's all catching the wave, to all the world's greatest newspaper nerds.
Re: Linux Logo prototype.
Linus Torvalds (torvalds@cs.helsinki.fi)
Thu, 9 May 1996 17:48:56 +0300 (EET DST)
Somebody had a logo competition announcement, maybe people can send their
ideas to a web-site..
Anyway, this one looks like the poor penguin is not really strong enough to
hold up the world, and it's going to get squashed. Not a good, positive logo,
in that respect..
Now, when you think about penguins, first take a deep calming breath, and
then think "cuddly". Take another breath, and think "cute". Go back to
"cuddly" for a while (and go on breathing), then think "contented".
With me so far? Good..
Now, with penguins, (cuddly such), "contented" means it has either just
gotten laid, or it's stuffed on herring. Take it from me, I'm an expert on
penguins, those are really the only two options.
Now, working on that angle, we don't really want to be associated with a
randy penguin (well, we do, but it's not politic, so we won't), so we
should be looking at the "stuffed to its brim with herring" angle here.
So when you think "penguin", you should be imagining a slighly overweight
penguin (*), sitting down after having gorged itself, and having just burped.
It's sitting there with a beatific smile - the world is a good place to be
when you have just eaten a few gallons of raw fish and you can feel another
"burp" coming.
(*) Not FAT, but you should be able to see that it's sitting down because
it's really too stuffed to stand up. Think "bean bag" here.
Now, if you have problems associating yourself with something that gets
off by eating raw fish, think "chocolate" or something, but you get the
idea.
Ok, so we should be thinking of a lovable, cuddly, stuffed penguin
sitting down after having gorged itself on herring. Still with me?
NOW comes the hard part. With this image firmly etched on your eyeballs, you
then scetch a stylizied version of it. Not a lot of detail - just a black
brush-type outline (you know the effect you get with a brush where the
thickness of the line varies). THAT requires talent. Give people the
outline, and they should say [ sickly sweet voice, babytalk almost ]"Ooh,
what a cuddly penguin, I bet he is just _stuffed_ with herring", and small
children will jump up and down and scream "mommy mommy, can I have one too?".
Then we can do a larger version with some more detail (maybe leaning
against a globe of the world, but I don't think we really want to give
any "macho penguin" image here about Atlas or anything). That more
detailed version can spank billy-boy to tears for all I care, or play
ice-hockey with the FreeBSD demon. But the simple, single penguin would
be the logo, and the others would just be that cuddly penguin being used
as an actor in some tableau.
--
Linus
Now with the time nd time again, we are a part of a Rhythm nation
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: Thread33 Bigfootb
Newsgroups: alt.fan.john-winston, alt.religion.kibology, alt.alien.visitors
Organization: welcome datacomp
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 06:02:52 GMT
X-Battlestar-Galactica-Date: 7748 centons, 83 microns, .01 hrothgars
X-Kibo-Equipment: a distributed Lego robot (distributed by accident)
In [a whole bunch of newsgroups], "John F. Winston" (johnfwin@mlode.com) wrote:
>
> Subject: Our Wonderful Government. Part 3a. June 28, 1997.
>
> Here is some more of that very bad information that I will blank
> out a lot of it. I hope this is not true.
>
> .....................................................................
> [...]
> Mexico, and taking the family to Florida's Disney World and Washington,
> D.C. My older brother, Bi--, still worked for and with my father,
> traveled with him annually to "hunt" in Che--y's G--ybull, Wyoming lodge,
> and maintained his wife and three children under trauma-base mind control
> according to my father's instructions. My brother, M--e, ran a video store
> to front some of my father's and Uncle Bob Ta--s' lucrative p--n video
> business. My sister, K--li Jo, became a belly dancing contortionist
> excelling in "gymnastics" since she became "as flexible as Gumby"
> according to her pr--titution programming. She worked her way through
Mr. W--ston, pl--se stop plagiari-ing Bennett Cerf's "Mad Libs"!
this is what you sound like, unix-hater
▶ No.1048260
>>1048255
>maximum logo autism
If linus was 20 years younger he'd be shitposting on /tech/ 12 hours a day
▶ No.1048266>>1048276
>>1048251
>missing the joke
I guess it was too subtle. Among other things, the bit about buying new computers was a jab at him and a couple others fags insisting we'd need new hardware for a real operating system™.
>>1048253
I ripped the quote in >>1047588 from a lispfag post at >>1022922 . Dunno how many others spoof him, or if there's others, but the fag blaming the Unix philosophy for Windows' shortcoming isn't me. It's probably the real guy. There's a couple other posts too that make me wonder if there's another, better imitator out there or if he's actually that nutty, but my posts are usually easy to spot if you actually read the quotes (not that the basedfags bother).
"linking" is yet another thing. A multiprocessing language. They're also slowness
and wasted times when it really wants to work around UNIX is called them. Any
non-brain-damaged with allocated at ALL times for web pages like ASLR and
inadequate for large system, programs vs. Unix. The typical workstatic linking"
is yet and have a good scheduler, pretending a single copy and paste the various
useless functions into the executables and wasted time fast enough memory the
various use many times for allocated at ALL times for personal machines, and
inadequate amounts of disk taken up by the OSs of yesteryear. It is provided by
accounting system."
Don't complain damage that file space, which the weenies were able instead out
TLA OSs and relative information after lots of memory that Unix has
multiprocessing language like ASLR and use a sharing a shared address space,
which requires 3 - 6 Mb just for the rare times more memory consumed by
accounting junk which requires 3 - 6 Mb just so you won't say than necessary.
Programs vs. Unix. The amounts of shared at ALL times when I actually need
the rare to work around UNIX is called the functions and megabytes of these
recomputer with all that file space? No don't answer. It is programs vs. Unix.
They're also a UNIX tens or even more problem with UNIX's shitty "pipes" and
I/O, null-terminated strings, bad memory that Unix has to be translated into C
bullshit and had enough memory manager, but must go three frontend on a C
library in addition the machines, and megabytes of disk taken up by root --
terribly informative. And all that wonderfully descriptives...). The amount of
overhead caused by accounting system."
What is a naive informatter, TeX (I'm being a single copy and paste the various
useless space, which is excesive for large systems. Any non-brain-damaged
OS would speed up contortions and had enough memory consumed by
accounting daemons and software.
Just have to do more memory). Like Electron, that didn't computers wastes a
lot of power and had enough memory that UNIX is called the "un-operating
system would speed up context switching system has been written by
accounting daemons and megabytes of the various useless space, which
require language implement some of energy to manufacture.
▶ No.1048276
>>1048266
Dumbasses postin' in the VAX on the mainframe while hanging-10 on the net, dudettes. We the hip cats.
Message-ID: <1009eli$9705292306@qz.little-neck.ny.us>
X-Archived-At: <URL:http://www.netusa.net/~eli/erotica/assm/Year97/1009>
Path: qz!news.accessus.net!not-for-mail
X-Path-Preload: news.accessus.net preloaded to thwart rogue canceller there
Newsgroups: alt.sex.stories.moderated,alt.sex.stories
Followup-To: alt.sex.stories.d
Organization: The Committee To Thwart Spam
Approved: <usenet-approval@qz.little-neck.ny.us>
X-Moderator-Contact: Eli the Bearded <story-admin@qz.little-neck.ny.us>
X-Story-Submission: <story-submit@qz.little-neck.ny.us>
From: hm1964@hotmail.com
Subject: RP: Deirdre - Everything
<I am only a reposter>
Everything
by deirdre
It took me much too long to get over my marriage to Tom. For
the longest time I still believed we were made for each other, even
after he took up with a 23-year-old sexy little blonde thing named
Vicky. I was sure Tom would see reason. I actually spent 5 years
doing nothing but worrying about Tom as well as harassing him. My
younger sister, Amy, who always in the back of her own mind thought
I was superhuman, was upset and distraught by my behaviour. My
friends Nina and Jim stood by me through the whole ordeal and I
honestly say I couldn't have pulled out of it without them. But I
finally saw Tom for the bastard he was, and Nina said I was
completely cured when I told her about a guy at work I had a crush
on. His name was Robert and he had never asked me out or anything,
but I had actually started deliberately paying a little extra
attention to him to see if something came of it. I was fantasizing
about him and looking forward to what might come about.
Nina and Jim are two of my oldest friends. In fact, I feel
responsible for helping bring them together: Jim lived two houses
down from me throughout school and we always got along together and
helped each other out even though we weren't romantically
interested in each other. Nina was my best friend in high school.
She was (and is) a slender little brunette who turns men's heads.
Jim confided in me that he was interested in her and asked me if
she were interested in him. I hadn't heard Nina say anything about
Jim one way or the other, but I told him he should definitely go
for it. And the rest is history. They have remained my true
friends ever since.
Anyhow, after Nina pronounced me cured, she told me she was so
thrilled that I was "fully divorced" now and ready for adventure.
Her choice of phrase intrigued me but I didn't say anything.
Anyhow, one night we went to see an early movie and then gossiped
over a drink. After we left the bar, I noticed she wasn't driving
me home as I had expected she would. Nor was she driving towards
her own house. I asked her where we were going and she smiled a
little and said I'd see and then went right back to what we had
been talking about before. I was a little too distracted to keep
up my end of the conversation, but she didn't seem to notice.
Finally we pulled up to a suburban house, a nice one. I was
more intrigued now. She just told me to come on with her and we
went up and rang the bell. It was answered by a huge man--he must
have been 6 foot 6 and, well he wasn't fat but he must have weighed
200 and something--maybe 250! He was very muscular, and though he
wasn't completely lean, there was no doubt that he was a force to
be reckoned with. Nina introduced him as Joe and pulled me in. We
went into the living room and Nina went over to a liquer cabinet
and made drinks! I was beginning to get suspicious. She pushed
the drink on me and made me drink it as she downed hers. Then she
whispered to me "Isn't he a hunk?" Then she whispered obscene
things I couldn't believe, about what she'd like to do to him and
what I might like to do to him. He just stood there leaning
against the door frame, drinking his drink. Finally she pulled me
over to him and making sure I was watching, she put her hand right
on his zipper! And unzipped his fly! Then she pulled me down to
kneel beside her and dug her hand in and pulled out his cock!
This is how we do it! This is how we do it! Sha na na na nalaaaaaa
▶ No.1048386>>1048443
>>1048115
mostly based
>muh static linking
It's based. Dynamic linking is unbased.
>>1047583
>were
is
>>1048236
unbased
>>1048251
unbased
▶ No.1048441
>>1047588
The UNIX hater finally exposes (((himself)))
▶ No.1048442
>>1047920
They really have nowhere to hide anymore.
▶ No.1048443>>1048446
>>1048386
The kind of dynamic linking he likes (using shared memory) is less cancerous, but unless I'm mistaken could cause cache issues. He still won't admit there's any reason for static linking or any Unixisms introduced after Multics whatsoever.
▶ No.1048446>>1048451
>>1048443
>Unixisms
Just say braindamage.
You're unbased btw.
▶ No.1048451>>1048460 >>1048516
>>1048446
>braindamage
Is preferring plaintext when practical over custom binary formats brain damage? The Unix hater fag has supported retarded shit like systemd's binary logs before, even though you need custom tools to read what might as well be a text file.
▶ No.1048460>>1048463 >>1048516
>>1048451
Don't give people who'd use a tripcode if they could any more attention than you need to. Attention whores don't have opinions and beliefs; they have means of getting your attention.
▶ No.1048463>>1048717 >>1048767
>>1048460
The problem with that approach is that newfags interpret it as the identityfag's views going unchallenged, especially since he focuses on things /tech/ tends to know less about. Thanks to this and his tactic of very selectively responding to posts he's gained followers who believe he can do nothing wrong and are beginning to shit up other boards as well.
▶ No.1048516>>1048526
>>1048451
Using plaintext everywhere is UNIX braindamage.
>muh binary logs
Spotted the UNIX weenie.
https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1IC9yOXj7j6cdLLxWEBAGRL6wl97tFxgjLUEHIX3MSTs
>>1048460
>not being a braindamaged UNIX weenie = tripfag
kek
▶ No.1048526>>1048536
>>1048516
>google docs link
why are you trying to dox me?
▶ No.1048536>>1048713
▶ No.1048540
>>1047915
>it has too much bad press
Not a problem, force can change people’s mis real quick
>>1047915
>even if you ignore the building costs.
The building costs are jack shit compared to the GDP of a modern nation.
▶ No.1048713
>>1048536
foiled this attempt
▶ No.1048714>>1048720
relatedly I'm starting to like d
dlang. the mars programming language.
the language seems boring at first but there's so much convenience wedged into it and the tooling. It even gives you ocamlscript for free--add a shebang to a file and you can run it as a script with cached compilation, so it's nearly as fast as a normal executable, with the convenience (source availability, etc) of a script.
And then the language is such that you might even write a script in it, instead of the usual suspects.
my only regret is that it won't contribute as much to global warming as I'd like
▶ No.1048717>>1048832 >>1048868
>>1048463
I don't believe you, there's no way anyone's retarded enough to take the unix hater seriously.
▶ No.1048720
>>1048714
>d script is 5.6x slower than perl script due to shit regex
NEVERMIND
▶ No.1048767>>1050485
>>1048463
No one ever actually managed to refute his arguments, still.
▶ No.1048832
>>1048717
No, you're just not smart enough to understand him.
▶ No.1048868>>1050485
>>1048717
He is right though. Try and prove him wrong.
▶ No.1050390>>1050394
>>1047875
>Cryptocurrencies are good for privacy and give controll back to users
>>1047882
Unfortunately, what cryptocurrencies aren't so good at is serving as real currency. Those that aren't backed by a state will never be anything more than speculative commodities.
▶ No.1050394>>1050397
>>1050390
Factually incorrect, use crypto to buy acid and donate money to far-right groups
▶ No.1050395
>>1047915
>too much bad press
Clearly, so does every other kind of renewable energy, thanks to the fossil fuel industry's stranglehold on the press. That's no the real problem with nuclear though. Even accounting for inherently-safe reactor designs that can't be sabotaged to make a region unlivable for generations, the real problem is that there just isn't enough easily-obtained fissile material in the Earth's crust to last for more than a few decades were it to become a substantial fraction of global power generation.
▶ No.1050397>>1050495
>>1050394
Factually correct if you learn anything about the origin of money and how speculative bubbles work. Bitcoin has followed the classic curve almost to a tee. A state's ability to collect taxes is what gives currency stability.
▶ No.1050485>>1050487 >>1050500
>>1048767
>No one ever actually managed to refute his arguments
Nope. If he's ever refuted he simply ignores it, waits a while, and reposts the exact same thing in another thread weeks or months later as if nothing happened. He's an incredibly dishonest guy who uses trivia about C's clunkiness and old commercial operating systems (which never goes beyond stuff you can easily find through a quick web search or multicians.org visit) to gain peoples' trust, then sprinkles in either full-blown or half lies or makes sweeping statements about how much worse Unix is than literally every operating system which ever existed.
Here's an easy example in this thread (also relevant to >>1048868 ):
>UNIX's "static linking" is yet another reason programs use many times more memory than necessary. Programs on UNIX tend to copy and paste the runtimes into the executable instead of sharing a single copy across all programs on the machine (even the physical memory). Like Electron, that's an example of UNIX brain damage that didn't catch on until computers became fast enough and had enough memory that weenies were able to pretend it's not a problem.
Everything in those sentences except the bit on dynamic linking with shared memory and Electron needing overpowered PCs to catch on is an lie. True static linking is very uncommon on modern Unixlike operating systems, only includes copies of library routines the program actually uses, and in most cases both runs faster and uses less memory than Unix's crappy take on dynamic linking. Electron is mentioned because it's close to his strawman take on static linking and most anons hate Electron already, giving him street cred.
He made the same Electron/static linking comparison back in the Maximalism thread archived at https://archive.is/kuFt3 and not only got static linking wrong both times, but actually contradicted his post here. In this thread he described static linking as "an example of UNIX brain damage that didn't catch on until computers became fast enough and had enough memory that weenies were able to pretend it's not a problem" while in January he declared, "There was nothing wrong with static linking for its time, in the 50s and early 60s. Most of those computers didn't have an OS and file system that we have today or that Multics and other 60s mainframes had."
So why would he do this? Simple, his goal isn't to teach you about old mainframe hardware and operating systems (sadly) but to convince newfags that every single thing Unix does is terrible and inferior to every operating system except Windows, which he also blames on Unix. The mainframe trivia is only a means to an end.
From: Geoff Collyer <geoff@collyer.net>
To: 9fans
Subject: Virtual memory & paging
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 02:38:16 -0800
There isn't a copy of the entire C library in every binary. There is
a copy of each library routine called, directly or indirectly, by the
program in question.
Sharing of instructions is done at the granularity of process text
segments, as in V6 or V7 Unix. The text segment of a process that
forks is shared between parent and child by page mapping. Also,
running (via exec) a program multiple times concurrently causes the
(pure) text segment to be shared by page mapping across those
processes. So all copies of rc and on a machine should share a text
segment.
Given that degree of sharing, the low cost of RAM, and the increase in
OS complexity, slowness and insecurity in the implementations of
dynamic libraries that I've seen, I don't see a need for dynamic
libraries. (Remember that the real impetus for adding them to Unix
was X11 and its big and badly-factored libraries, which most of us
aren't blessed with.) My terminal has 115 processes; all but 4 of
them share their text segment with at least one other process, usually
more. 74 of them are instances of rio, Mail, rc, acme, listen,
plumber and samterm. A CPU server has 141 processes; all but 2 share
text. 80 of them are listen, another 21 are rc, exportfs, kfs, dns
and consolefs. A quick sampling suggests that Plan 9 programs are
typically smaller than FreeBSD/386 programs even with shared
libraries. Here are some FreeBSD sizes:
: unix; size /bin/cat /bin/ed /usr/bin/awk /usr/X11/bin/sam
text data bss dec hex filename
54188 4324 9760 68272 10ab0 /bin/cat
122835 8772 81920 213527 34217 /bin/ed
135761 4772 15756 156289 26281 /usr/bin/awk
52525 1412 53448 107385 1a379 /usr/X11/bin/sam
Of those, awk and sam use shared libraries. The corresponding Plan 9
sizes are:
; cd /bin; size cat ed awk sam
15996t + 2208d + 944b = 19148 cat
45964t + 4212d + 41232b = 91408 ed
114731t + 35660d + 12040b = 162431 awk
86574t + 7800d + 66240b = 160614 sam
and the Plan 9 programs cope with Unicode and UTF.
▶ No.1050487>>1050493
>>1050485
tl;dr, unbased faggot
Anyways I've already said that based UNIX hater's take on static linking is unbased.
▶ No.1050493>>1050502
>>1050487
You also said that his take on dynamic linking is unbased. Either you mistook it for the Unix version of dynamic linking or you dissed shared memory, the foundation for much of the Unix hater's autism. Both imply you don't know what you're talking about.
▶ No.1050495>>1050540
>>1050397
>A state's ability to collect taxes is what gives currency stability
Only in the mind of a simpleton indoctrinated by keynesian economics. Any asset with a predictable supply that is frequently used in trade can be stable. Bitcoin is unstable because it currently exists primarily as a store of wealth, not a currency, but adoption and acceptance grows every year and eventually it will become seen as a currency instead of an asset.
▶ No.1050500>>1050511
>>1050485
> but actually contradicted his post here. In this thread he described static linking as "an example of UNIX brain damage that didn't catch on until computers became fast enough and had enough memory that weenies were able to pretend it's not a problem" while in January he declared, "There was nothing wrong with static linking for its time, in the 50s and early 60s. Most of those computers didn't have an OS and file system that we have today or that Multics and other 60s mainframes had."
That'not really a contradiction: static linking used to be the only practical choice, albeit suboptimal, since there wasn't anything better yet. The real brain damage was keeping static linking when it was no longer necessary, as dynamic linking was now feasible.
Would you call the ancients retarded for using horses and carriages instead of cars? No, there was nothing with that since they simply didn't have a better option yet.
▶ No.1050502>>1050511
>>1050493
I didn't mistake anything. Dynamic linking is cancer.
▶ No.1050511>>1050524
>>1050500
You misread. In one post he declares static linking was brain damage that didn't catch on until computers were overpowered enough to use it, while in the other he said the opposite: that static linking was okay until we had the power for dynamic linking.
>>1050502
If that's true, a lot of the stuff he shills (most notably his favourite IPC methods and operating systems) are also cancer because they depend on shared memory dynamic linking. By your definition most of his posts except the ones focusing exclusively on stuff like C and null-terminated strings are cancer.
▶ No.1050524>>1050531
>>1050511
>By your definition most of his posts except the ones focusing exclusively on stuff like C and null-terminated strings are cancer.
Yeah. I don't care for his LISP shit. I only care about the parts where he trashes UNIX weenies and Cniles.
▶ No.1050531
▶ No.1050540
>>1050495
>Only in the mind of a simpleton indoctrinated by keynesian economics.
Modern money theory (AKA revived chartalism) isn't necessarily Keynesian, neoliberal, or Marxist. It's a revival of a correct theory informed by evidence from the anthropological record. Read Debt by David Graeber, even if it's just the first chapter.
▶ No.1060550
>>1047322 (OP)
>if anyone used it
I'm learning.
import Control.Monad.Writer
import System.Environment
gcd' :: Int -> Int -> Writer [String] Int
gcd' a b
| b == 0 = do tell ["a=" ++ show a ++ ", b wuz kangs!"]
return a
| otherwise = do tell ["a=" ++ show a ++ ", b=" ++ show b]
gcd' b (a `mod` b)
main :: IO ()
main = do
args <- getArgs
case args of
[a,b] -> do let result = gcd' (read a) (read b)
putStr $ unlines . execWriter $ result
_ -> putStrLn "usage: gcd a b"
▶ No.1060588
>>1047322 (OP)
Why the fuck is memory usage represented by a line graph rather than a point plot on that chart?