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be minimalistic. preorder the light phone 2. go light. There's no such thing as a fully privacy phone, all phones are tracking and recording devices.

There is this thing called the internet, I suggest you use it

>>1032748

Couldn't find any spec sheet.

replicant samsung galaxy s3 or s4

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>>1032750

Too bad.

>>1032750

Try using a search engine. It will help you find something out on the internet.

>phone

>privacy

networks are the problem not phones themselves

>>1032742

Just use a chip bag :^)

If it doesn't works for them then it can work for you too!

>>1032753

S4 isn't supported.

S3 4G isn't available for valid reasons.

Dumbphone. Carry a laptop and only use your VPN when on untrusted wifi. There is NO private mobile OS and there never will be. Just get a flip phone for calling/texting and desperate web browsing in emergencies, never log into anything with it or connect it to your home network.

Let's discuss phones.

1) dumbphone

>dumb: probably can't leak anything to google/amazon/apple/etc.

>less likely to store as much data on

<no possibility of encrypted communication

<no IP-native use, will be constantly pinging towers (unless you can remove battery. I doubt)

<closed source everything

? almost certainly has long outdated unmaintained firmware

Librem5 (assuming it will exist)

>open source software, mostly open source firmware

>baseband kill switch (only effective when used!)

>encrypted E2E Matrix messaging and VOIP (only effective when used!)

>will likely be maintained for many years officially, then longer by community due to open source

<can easily be used badly to leak internet usage

<if compromised, has better camera, mic and probably more personal data on it (unless you restrict non-phone usage and use can+mic kill switches)

>can install postmarketOS

Someone list the Librem alternatives, idk shit about them

Meme choice is librem5 nigger, you have a search engine. End of thread.

Stallman is right, just learn how to live without a phone. It's not that hard, worst case scenario, keep a dumb phone with a removable battery around.

Literally less than 30 secods on DuckDuckGo:

https://developer.puri.sm/Librem5/Hardware_Reference.html

The Librem 5 is the best bet right now to keep some semblance of control and privacy over your phone. "Dumb phones" can be tracked through cell towers, you lose a lot of functionality (web navigation, GPS, media consumption, better contact/calendar management, opening files, etcetera.) by using them AND they WILL contain nothing but proprietary and outdated firmware.

The biggest downside to the Librem 5 is the outdated specs, compared to modern smartphones, and the lack of app support it'll have. So it's like having a "dumb" phone with extra functionality.

As for Purism, they have delivered so far. The Librem 5 has been delayed several times and they have made several mistakes developing it (namely trying to adapt GNOME 3 for it instead of using already finished projects like Ubuntu Touch, KDE Mobile or maybe even FirefoxOS) but so far they have delivered all their other products.

>>1032931

Exactly, i'm looking forward to install Gentoo on it and use it like i used to with my old Pocket PC.

>>1032931

Of course. It'll be able to run all of the GNU tools like mv, sed, gcc, etcetera. The Librem 5 is more like what we (or at least I) expected 15 years ago as "pocket computers."

The thing is that it won't have any mainstream appeal and it will not have any mainstream app like WhatsApp. Which may be a problem depending on what OP is expecting.

>>1032937

why even get a botnet free phone if you are going to install such things on it

>>1032739 (OP)

About the only alternative is to make a VoIP only phone. But then you have to use a sip trunking service, and the only such service I can find halfway decent is Twilio.

Anyone else know a good, private sip trunking service?

>>1032776

only accurate post in this thread, the providers of the communications channels you use can intercept your traffic regardless the hardware you use. good luck finding a phone that can run an encrypted tunnel that doesn't have some backdoor in it.

>>1033129

>Not using the GSM network is the ultimate solution.

Yeah, lets just make all communication with ordinary people impossible. What could possibly wrong, other than standing out?

>>1033114

>How's the Nokia 3310 3G?

About to be obsolete. The U.S. telcos are retiring their 3G networks between now and 2021.

>>1033130

you could also talk to them irl.. thats what people did before phones existed

>>1033129 This girl is really seeeexy! I wanna beat and rape her!

>>1033130

communicate with them using gms, just know what the limits are and that you're always being watched

>>1033141

why do you always post those

>>1033130

I can't remember the last time someone called me.

>>1033141

Go away Pajeet

>>1032739 (OP)

>where can i find a tracking device that respects my privacy?

>>1033187

Be the boss and own that shit!

Until a device has easily-replaceable disposable cellular modem There used to be PDAs with such technology 10 years ago, there is not much privacy to expect from it. Flushing IMEI is illegal, even if you do, the inner working is still proprietary and non-verifiable unlike MAC address.

Only way is to have an encrypted VOIP communication with people over public wifi+random vpn/tor and limited interaction with nomgoyims through voip-telephony gateway provider that gives you real phone number for a fee and access over SIP or whatever. The later scenario will save you from beginner level overpowered system abusers,a s well as telemarketers and such scum. Won't save from alphabets, government, banks and tecoms, because they record all voices and compare to sample library already.

You can use two above scenarios with librem phone running gentoo or whatever gimmick marketed towards /r/privacy audience, but be aware, that last mile cell towers will triangulate your position, as well, the company running them will record your traffic, so be careful to encrypt, anonymize and route it through 7 vpn servers.

>>1033342

>last point

leaves you in the same situation as home internet connection. The only solution to that is leeching internet off strangers, which is a big inconvenience for most people.

>>1032837

>S3 4G isn't available for valid reasons

what reasons?

>>1033114

i got one and it's okay but using the directional pad square is a pain in the ass. It also comes with "apps" like facebook so don't know if it's any better than a smartphone

>>1032776

>networks are the problem not phones themselves

This!

Any mobile phone is a beacon, by design. If you think about it, it would be difficult, expensive, to design a network that does not track the movements of its members.

>>1032906

>keep a dumb phone with a removable battery around.

Don't switch on-off your phone when you don't want to be tracked. That is an indicator, metadata too.

Instead leave the phone at home, switched on.

If you are concerned about being listened to in your home, put the phone in an sound-proof, airtight box that allows radio waves out, so the phone can still connect to the tower. Maybe two Tupperware boxes, one small inside a bigger one, the bigger the better, with sound-proofing in-between.

In case you think you might need a phone, need to break radio silence, have a second phone that's usually switched off, that has a removable battery. Off course switching on a phone that usually is off will raise a flag.

Do they still have payphones on the street?

>>1032930

>you lose a lot of functionality (web navigation, GPS, media consumption, better contact/calendar management, opening files, etcetera.)

Better use a phone without a sim or even better a tablet without any phone hardware.

>>1032739 (OP)

That Nokia looks incredible. Stupid thread by the way.

Speaking of Librem 5:

LIBREM 5 NOW DELAYED TO "Q3", SOC REPLACED BY A NEWER AND BETER ONE

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Librem-5-Delayed-To-Q3

https://archive.vn/UiqfD

>>1033864

Ridiculous, i' going to build my own shit

Build your own phone. Single board computer. USB SIM reader. Add other parts. Build your own Linux. Maybe fork of Ubuntu phone. Meh. That or stop using your cell phone to set up drug deals.

I'm OK with delays being official. We all knew it would be pushed back anyway.

I just don't want a phone as laggy as that dev-kit demo. Try typing on that.

>>1033872

>Ridiculous, i' going to build my own shit

Did you seriously expect such a crowdfunded device to stay on schedule?

>>1033922

I'm also pissed at the price tbh, 650$ is outrageous.

I'm going to build my shit with a raspberry. It won't cost me 1/4 of it and will do just as good if not more.

>>1033666

>Better use a phone without a sim

But it still can connect to some network because even without sim card you can still call emergency

>>1033130

You now a lot of use Whatsup nowadays, and that's internet only. You can also call people with it, so I guess the solution would be an open-source Whatsup?

>>1034072

It’s called LinPhone dumbass!

Look it up!

>>1032739 (OP)

If you plan on putting a SIM card in it it won't be private. Just buy Librem 5 or Pine64 Phone if you're a poorfag. If for some reason you NEED a SIM card then buy a portable 4G router.

>>1034053

That's only on newer phones and botnet phones. Galaxy S5 doesn't have this anti-feature, for example. Librem 5 will have a killswitch for basically everything so it's also safe.

>>1033605

No it isn't wrong but they rounded off a bit for the lack of data on such places (or the ISP and government lied about the census of such countries).

HSPA+ must be available for those places so the graph is at least pretty accurate. It was originally the first 4G draft and officially 3.5G but is 4G at its time but they quickly adopted newer less-expensive technology that is LTE which is officially 3.95G (not even 4G) and has really wide band ranges which lets it transmit at better speeds than its predecessor but HSPA+ is just as good as LTE. Not even most ISPs can provide maximum of 40-140Mbps of 4G and it's not worth the price. Then later they crowned it as the True 4G due to HSPA+ not reaching desired speeds for being a bandlet.

LTE is mostly used on developed cities and won't of course reach remote areas where they don't expect people using it like ethnic groups living at the edge of nowhere that doesn't even have hospital systems. Well you can reach 4G if you have a cantenna, parabolic/flat panel antenna.

>>1033605

3g dc is faster than the wired alternative in many places.

>>1034493

and wired network is getting dismantled anyway