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Reminder that if you're using discord instead of riot you don't belong here.
>My friends use discord
So did mine. Convert them to riot one by one.
>it lacks X feature
Riot is almost as feature complete as discord, and its updated frequently. It gets better every day.
SUPPORT FOSS SOFTWARE ANON
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<obligatory webm
>OP doesn't link any rooms or communities for people to join
8ch.net rooms on Matrix:
https://riot.im/app/#/group/+8chan:matrix.org
/tech/ rooms on Matrix:
https://riot.im/app/#/group/+tech:matrix.ordoevangelistarum.com
If you're planning to try out riot, please keep in mind that there is a desktop client that you can use (usually named riot or riot-web if your distro has it) so you don't need to use it from the browser.
COME JOIN US!
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<obligatory webm 2
(couldnt fit it all in one post)
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even if you're some gay fag that feels the need to use proprietary software you should use teamspeak instead of discord. discord is webcrap software made by charlatans
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>>1013823
i know this guide looks long/autistic but it will help you immensely in case you want to get started
image courtesy of the /mde/ group
▶ No.1013829>>1013988 >>1017867 >>1019444
>using anything for communication other than your self-hosted email
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>>1013828
What the fuck is this autistic shit
It's a chat program
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>>1013830
i know i know
it should help you with any question you have though
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>>1013831
But I mean does it really have to explain what an avatar and a username is and detail every button and menu and tell you that you can click a username?
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>>1013832
Its very comprehensive
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>>1013823
Ignore the guide, it pretty much works like discord except typing someone's name mentions them regardless of @.
usernames or "matrix IDs" are in the form of @user:homeserver.org
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When it comes out with the new UI design I'll be it.
▶ No.1013988>>1013991
why are you promoting this instead of Tox? is Tox dead?
>>1013829
>using anything for communication other than your self-hosted email
<implying that gives you much when NSA can record network traffic to and from your server
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>>1013988
Tox is buggy unusable garbage, and is abandoned.
▶ No.1014005>>1014008
What's up with this? It has a CoC as well.
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>>1014008
>Matrix OrdoEvangelistarum has no CoC, matrix.org's homeserver does.
So how do i get in and can i communicate with people on the default server?
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>>1014012
Read >>1013828 and choose matrix.ordoevangelistarum.com as the server
Fuck the default server for being SJW
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>>1013991
>abandoned.
Wasnt it getting bigger?
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>>1014018
Few of my friends and I have been trying to use it (on and off) for years now. It is still practically unusable for serious messaging. It works well when you want to use only one client and do not care about offline messages. It is also full of pedos and is insecure.
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>>1014012
>So how do i get in
You can just register on their site
>and can i communicate with people on the default server?
Yes. Federated services typically allow communication between the different servers.
▶ No.1014039
How about Tor Messenger?
oh wait, they shut it down https://blog.torproject.org/sunsetting-tor-messenger
or XMPP + Tor + OTR/PGP
>The last point is compatibility. Now XMPP is supported by a lot of clients, it is de facto a geek standard for communication. With CoyIM you can support messaging with those geeks who are still not using specialized tools and continue to use XMPP+OTR/PGP.
or https://ricochet.im/
>Ricochet uses Tor core functionality, aka an unique onion service to connect two people together, without any metadata. It's also completely open source (on github).
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RIOT IS A BOTNET AND HONEYPOT. DO NOT USE
>Matrix/riot is good, but mostly for not too much paranoia people. At the moment encrypted chat history is stored forever at matrix servers, which is not good, but necessary to make multi-client support with synchronized chat histories.
>At the moment encrypted chat history is stored forever at matrix servers
>Matrix.org and other matrix servers do not allow to register account using Tor because it requires Google reCAPTCHA which blocks tor now.
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▶ No.1014081>>1014086 >>1014097 >>1014282 >>1014284 >>1014287 >>1014403
What's the point if you have to use google captcha just to make an account to post with? That's not a big upgrade over just using discord.
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>>1014081
Use a different home server.they're working towards replacing Google captcha with a different one
▶ No.1014097>>1014103
>>1014081
>What's the point if you have to use google captcha just to make an account to post with?
There is no point.
>>1014086
>Use a different home server.they're working towards replacing Google captcha with a different one
what server?
>working towards
fuck them. if they ever decided to use (((Google))) captcha, they cannot be trusted
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>>1014097
>what server?
I use the default server because im a huge cuck, but I know there are other servers that use alternative captchas.
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>>1014103
>I use the default server because im a huge cuck, but I know there are other servers that use alternative captchas.
If you "know" them then post them
how do you know if you never used them?
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pedos use Tox or XMPP with Tor and OTR
should we use what pedos use, if they don't get caught?
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>>1014115
They don't get caught because nobody is monitoring it. Somebody has tobe watching it for them to get in trouble. Nobody cares about it yet.
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>>1014040
Matrix is a protocol.
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>>1014115
Briar is basically a better Tox
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>>1013830
It's made by mde fans. What did you expect?
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>>1014081
Can't you just disable JavaScript for the captcha? I've also seen of a tool on Firefox that automatically solves Google captcha but I don't remember the name of it
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>>1014081
Also you're basically saying that a one time-spyware it's the same as a 24/7 honeypot that records beyond your browser. It's just not the same.
▶ No.1014287>>1017379
Matrix is a mess that copies the format of the worst communication service I've ever come across, but
>>1014040
>At the moment encrypted chat history is stored forever at matrix servers
Host your own instance and reduce the maximum logging. You'll need some amount of logging if you want a drop-in Discord replacement. If you don't want Discord, use XMPP or IRC and endpoint encryption. Either way, you'd have to be very simple to assume nobody you send messages to has logs enabled in whatever client they're using.
>>1014081
Host your own instance.
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>>1014081
Reminder that if you're using recaptcha after 2009 your website is botnet.
▶ No.1014407>>1014411
Neat CIA OP. Bet you can't install XMPP or mumble yourself.
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>>1014407
Begone with your ancient software thot
Xmpp still isn't better than discord, and mumble lacks persistent messages which I like.
I was going to chain together IRC and mumble for persistent chat but I decided thats too much work and now riot
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>>1014411
Xmpp isn't better than irc*
Sorry anon I must be retarded
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>>1013810 (OP)
Reminder that Riot is ugly and buggy and nobody cares about your freetard shit until it works at least as well as the non-freetard shit, ideally better.
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>>1014486
It works just as well as discord, better in some aspects. Quit being a shill and support free software.
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>>1014412
>Xmpp isn't better than irc
it is better because you can use Xmpp with Tor. you cannot use IRC with Tor because they ban Tor exit nodes
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>>1015097
Tor is a honeypot
▶ No.1015191>>1015194 >>1020264
Imageboards need to stop with this static shit and add liveposting already.
Basically take discord, except you post anonymously in threads instead of group chats, and it opens as a static content if you have js disabled.
Meguca is a step in the right direction but the "watch as snailposters type their post" is retarded, and the owner is a jew cuckchanner who's too retarded to make his website work on firefox.
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>>1015191
What is auto refresh
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>>1015194
A piece of stone-age shit and bloat.
You could be getting your posts instantly and directly as they come in and see when your watched threads are updated, but instead we have to keep loading the thread or some unreliable json blob over and over and over even if nobody is posting, and the more things you want to keep track of the worse and more bloated it gets for your browser.
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>>1015197
Federated imageboards when
▶ No.1015201>>1015203
>>1015200
Never because imageboard software is stuck in 2005 level, and any hope of it moving to the next level died when Josh fucked up infinity next.
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>>1015201
Why couldn't it happen, anon? All it takes is an anon with even a bit of intelligence, its not like this shit is hard. Retards make federated shit all the time. ID do it but in confirmer retarded.
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>>1015203
It could, but nobody is making anything new. All the new imageboard projects are either unfinished or don't add anything new or both of the above.
I'd make one myself too if I had any server development skills.
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>>1015197
Every non-exclusive community I've been a part of that switched to or started on some form of instant multimedia mass-messaging has either splintered or rapidly degraded to an inane circlejerk. Hell, I don't think I've ever interacted with anyone who actively uses Discord that I'd be comfortable leaving my child with unsupervised. It's like there's something about the format that either allures to the worst people or that brings the worst out of people. It's not something I've ever felt on other types of platforms either; not on IRC (non-multimedia, non-persistent), Mumble (non-persistent) or imageboards/forums (non-instant). Maybe the marginal difference between periodic refreshes and instant posting has some serious psychological effect.
▶ No.1015819>>1015822
We need to think of projects that are not FOSS and replicate that using FOSS tech
My eyes are on https://aminoapps.com/ and Discord (as they have the best communities)
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>>1015819
We need foss developers to stop being immature stubborn little children and start adopting good ideas that proprietary programs have and actually aim their software towards consumer usage rather than programmer usage.
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>>1013810 (OP)
Oh wow another Electron app.
▶ No.1015832>>1016401
>>1015822
Exactly, normies are our cattle, not the other way around. It is either consumer-friendly or never. Too many faggots on /tech/ don't get this.
▶ No.1015834>>1015835 >>1015840 >>1015842
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwuEwhX1M_M
Everyone here needs to see this.
Either we make something new (which is really hard) or make something 10x better
Either we disrupt the scene of group messaging scene with FOSS or we just suck
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>>1015834
ok but listen to this:
Text-only chat from the terminal with TOR and AES256 encryption, linux source code release only. Now that will kill discord! If you don't like it then get out!
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>>1015835
> get out
spotted the nocode /trannypol/ nigger.
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>>1015834
>courtship
>greetings
>housing
>kin groups
>language
>postnatal care
>status differentiation
>tool making
There are non-human animals that do all these things.
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>>1015834
You do realize that only LARPers give TEDx talks?
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>>1015842
1/2 would be LARPers and the other half would be masons or illuminati incarnate, so my bet is on the latter, since I want to fight the kikes
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>>1015840
I don't think there's an animal that makes tools as much as uses something as a tool.
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>>1013819
I know I'm late, but does anyone have a (((youtube))) link, so I can share with my normie friends and family?
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▶ No.1015925>>1016009 >>1016190
Really, you're better off with Mattermost than Matrix-based messaging in most cases. There are tradeoffs, but Mattermost is a simpler design, and easier to use, maintain, and manage. You should assess your use cases and default to Mattermost unless you really need federation or E2E encryption (and most people actually do not; server-to-client encryption is usually good enough when you control the server).
Mattermost is a replacement for Slack and Discord. Matrix is a replacement for IRC, and all that implies. They have similar use-cases, but fill different niches. If you want a private dedicated invite-only chat server, Mattermost is what you should probably be using.
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>>1015925
Mattermost and Rocketchat can replace slack as a project management chat, but not Discord, as it can't handle the "servers and invites" like discord does, people can't just join the network and share their private room in an efficient manner. Also VoIP is not possible so it does not really work.
▶ No.1016197>>1016388 >>1016399
Either this https://github.com/ThalKod/discord-clone
Or this https://tavrn.gg/ (/ourguy/)
Those are our options to fight against (((SPLC/Disocrd)))
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>>1013810 (OP)
it's full of aids
▶ No.1016388>>1016401
>>1016197
>small incomplete rip off of discord
>some "social network" (gay af) with no preview, that requires registration on another separate website
nope.
riot.im
▶ No.1016399
>>1016197
>Or this https://tavrn.gg/ (/ourguy/)
fuck off triangle faggots
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>>1016388
Riot is good... until you realize it is a slow shitty ripoff of Discord that does not have everything. Again, >>1015832 and >>1015822 has some good points
▶ No.1016407>>1016413
>>1016401
its so close though, im quite happy with it.
but the cuck devs need to work faster its been years and its a basic program.
based anons revolutionize technology pls
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>>1016407
>based anons revolutionize technology pls
I'll do it if you teach me networking in pure C so I can make tutorials and code samples to make it easy for other people
▶ No.1016444>>1016595
>>1013818
Can't get fucking past the (((ReCaptcha)))
Isn't it ironic how Google has build an empire scraping data and is now involved in making sure people can't do the same?
▶ No.1016453
>>1016401
It's an IRC knockoff made in python and pajeetscript, using web services and json for communication, with a discord dress.
▶ No.1016595
>>1016444
its called eliminating the competition.
▶ No.1016597>>1016606
What does either Discord or Riot have that IRC doesn't? My main interest in chat rooms is development discussion.
▶ No.1016606>>1017344
>>1016597
inline media, voice and video calls.
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▶ No.1017345>>1017800
Reminder that if you use bloatware like Riot or Matrix instead of simplistic alternatives like IRC, Tox, Unix Talk, Email, or other things that have been good enough and have worked right for the past 6 decades then you are a pleb
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>>1014113
banter.city, by anons for anons, sign up at https://totallysafe.website/
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>>1014287
>Either way, you'd have to be very simple to assume nobody you send messages to has logs enabled in whatever client they're using.
Said logs does not store your ip, but a hash (unles you are a retard using freenode), it is also not hard to make up logs, so plausible deniability applies.
▶ No.1017644
What are some matrix groups related to computer science or math?
▶ No.1017800
>>1017345
>you are not allowed to use a computer for your own convenience
>bloat is not allowed on a computer
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>>1013833
I feel like there's a difference between being comprehensive and providing English lessons and fucking 2001 monolith in your manual to a computer program though. Some things you just have to assume people already know.
▶ No.1017867>>1018458
>>1013829
+delta.chat for the plebs who can't into PGP
https://delta.chat/en/
▶ No.1018458>>1018464
>>1017867
> no group chat
failure in one link
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▶ No.1018465>>1018468 >>1018495
What do you guys think about https://unseen.is/ ?
Is it botnet?
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▶ No.1018494>>1018516
garbage ui
Just like that dog shit discord
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▶ No.1018516>>1018559
>>1018494
> Except every NiggerCattle uses Discord
> And Matrix is the only option left that is FOSS
What about Grid? https://gitlab.com/thegridprotocol/home
They are promising less bloat and better UI
▶ No.1018541>>1019005 >>1019109
>>1013810 (OP)
>not using telegram
one of the few FOSS programs that are usable by normies without instruction
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>>1018516
>Gay Related ImmunoDeficiency
Hmmmm
▶ No.1018998>>1019092
What's wrong with signal?
▶ No.1019001
Discord is the best chat software period
▶ No.1019005>>1026613
>>1018541
> telegram
> FOSS
while there is a FOSS client on fdroid, and official telegram clients are open source, telegram is not free software because of their server side
▶ No.1019092>>1019093
>>1018998
Centralised, requires a phone number, electron desktop program which you can't use without linking it to a phone.
▶ No.1019093
>>1019092
> The server code is published under the AGPLv3 license
what?
▶ No.1019109
>>1018541
Nice try, Durov FSB.
▶ No.1019114>>1019139
>>1013810 (OP)
>not allowed to use the webapp unless you install the phone app
Literally why? What an utterly cancerous decision.
▶ No.1019137>>1019149 >>1019175
I don't care how good the protocol is supposed to be if the implimentations are shit.
The best client is Riot and it's an electron app. For a chat program.
The standard server is written in Python and uses a shitload of resources. For a chat protocol.
Why people think it's a sane idea to shill for this now is beyond me.
I'm not going to spend 3GBs on a server with 0 users, and then another GB on my client to connect to it just to bounce text around when XMPP not only exists, but the software for it is mature.
Maybe in 5 years. If people don't abandon it, like they've already done for some of the more promising clients like Nheko.
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>>1019114
Not sure what you're talking about, that's not the case.
▶ No.1019149>>1019151
>>1019137
>implimentations
I don't care how good the post is supposed to be if the grammar is shit.
▶ No.1019151
>>1019149
>grammar
You did that on purpose didn't you.
▶ No.1019152>>1019186
I tried it, it's pretty damn good but lacks a couple of desired features. 1: being able to click and drag to upload files, 2: default matrix server doesn't provide online/offline presence information
▶ No.1019164
Godot uses multiple FOSS chats like IRC and matrix but every dipshit uses discord because GAMUR CHAT.
▶ No.1019168
>>1013810 (OP)
is that the retarded thing that does not allow posting a comment and picture in the same message?
▶ No.1019175
>>1019137
what happened to the dev of nheko? why did he give up?
▶ No.1019186>>1019194 >>1019442 >>1019889
>>1019152
>1: being able to click and drag to upload files
Works on my machine.
>2: default matrix server doesn't provide online/offline presence information
Yeah the default homeserver is shit. That's why you should use one of the other ones participating in the federation.
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>>1019186
>That's why you should use one of the other ones participating in the federation.
gibs me list
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>>1015200
Is nntpchan federated?
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>>1019194
matrix.ordoevangelistarum.com
▶ No.1019320
Is there a list of acceptable communications platforms?
▶ No.1019442
>>1019186
>Works on my machine.
It works on browser but not on the desktop app which is what I prefer to use.
▶ No.1019444
>>1013829
You can self-host this too and it's federated like email
▶ No.1019889>>1020037
>>1019186
works but you cant send a message with the file like you can on discord.
▶ No.1019949>>1019963
>Use discord
>No use Riot
>No use IRC
>No just email
>No use Skype
>No use teamspeak
And the worst part is:
>Wow, there are so many services out there. Why don't I make a new one that's better and definitive!
>No guys don't use that new one use this one it's way better
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>>1019949
At least Riot has six million bridges so you can still talk to people through your IRC client and whatnot.
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>>1019889
You mean file-message pairs?
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>>1015191
>Imageboards need to stop with this static shit and add liveposting already.
>Basically take discord, except you post anonymously in threads instead of group chats, and it opens as a static content if you have js disabled.
What is the point? why would you need to instantly see new posts? why not just post your text, then do something else, refresh thread after many hours or a day?
what is wrong with millenials like you?
>>1015835
>Text-only chat from the terminal with TOR and AES256 encryption, linux source code release only. Now that will kill discord! If you don't like it then get out!
how will you prevent spam?
if it's text-only, how will we share cp with it?
▶ No.1020289>>1020427
Both are shitty bloatware.
Also how is just using something FOSS supporting it if it doesn't, for example collect your usage data?
▶ No.1020427
>>1020264
> why not just post your text, then do something else, refresh thread after many hours or a day?
> what is wrong with millenials like you?
fast paced work cycles and phone call like communication speeds
>>1020289
You can self-host matrix and you can compile from source
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>>1020264
>post your text, then do something else, refresh thread after many hours or a day
What is the point? why would you need to wait hours/days to see new posts? why not just post your text, and have it appear instantly?
what is wrong with boomers like you?
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>bloatware
>FOSS
no thanks I prefer multiplayer notepad
▶ No.1020735
>>1013810 (OP)
Imagine not using IRC
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>>1013818
>>1013810 (OP)
>>1013819
shill your shit stain of a software elsewhere you fucking jew. Your software is a copy-paste of discord included with the goyism syndrome.
To you niggers who lurk
Don't use Discord, Don't use Riot.
Use IRC.
▶ No.1026509>>1026510
>>1026506
Use IRC over I2P and I will agree with you.
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>>1026509
That's my point you dumb nigger
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>>1026510
You never mentioned I2P. Using IRC without it is bad as every message is transmitted unencrypted and your IP address is revealed.
▶ No.1026514
>>1026506
>IRC
Stop shilling your nigger bloatware.
▶ No.1026603>>1026605
Reminder that after registering you can use other clients such as weechat, gomuks, nheko, fractal.
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>>1019005
>telegram
What's so special about it? I hear everywhere how secure and private it is, but it turned out that it requires a fucking PHONE NUMBER!!!
Are you complete fucking idiots to use this shit?
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>>1013810 (OP)
Pain in the ass to use.
Irc is easier.
For some reason i cannot do a private chat (encrypted) with a friend.
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>>1026613
> What's so special about it?
nothing really, it's just a good WhatsApp clone that's more focused on communities rather than contacts
> it requires a fucking PHONE NUMBER!!!
that's why you use a burner number. there are many ways to get that sort of stuff
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>I have people to talk to online
chad
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>>1013810 (OP)
>if you're sucking this dick instead of these balls you don't belong here
▶ No.1027917>>1032157 >>1032488
How do you guys feel about 'The Grid' project? Its a privacy and Security focused fork of matrix.
▶ No.1032157>>1032223
>>1027917
Kinda fuck slow, and those guys don't want to learn about the UI parts of Discord (what makes it good to use for normalfags), which will definitely slow adoption
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>>1032157
They do, but they're focusing on the spec and server implementation now.
And the server is already capable of some basic stuff.
▶ No.1032372>>1032384 >>1032486 >>1032519
>>1013810 (OP)
>So did mine. Convert them to riot one by one.
Retard
Your friends aren't young or are degenerate linuxians. Good luck convincing 99ers to shift into using Riot, Tox or even IRC instead of whatsapp/discord when they are all using smartphones
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>>1032372
I did it with a friend of mine, who's completely unnaware of anything related to free software or freetardism (The guy uses Windows 10, spends money buying jewvidea graphic cards and also in botnet DRM platforms like Steam). But I just told him once 'hey I'm not going to use Discord anymore because X and Y, let's use Riot instead', and I then told him how to download it and use it. It didn't take more than 5 minutes, and since then we've been using it for all our voice-call purposes. Also as a plus, it's a good way to introduce him to free software and the likes.
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>>1032384
You are lucky. Mine often associate Riot and other software in that department with paranoia and autism, due to the massive propaganda they've been fed with. But I've known them for more than ten years so I can't just ditch them. Perhaps I'll try shilling it again
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Reminder that Riot.im currently uses google recaptcha and google fonts.
Go to their channel and voice your feeling on that.
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>>1032487
Check >>1032486 I think one of them don't use Recaptcha
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>>1032519
>t. 2000
cringey and milkpilled