/sw/ - Star Wars

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No.

i see our resident fa/tv/irgin is at it again

>jokes on them i was just pretending to be retarded

ebin trol ma8 ill make sure to upboat ur reddit post

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>>21368

compelling arguments

>>21364

He really is /ourguy/ TLJ was the perfect bullet to kill nu-Wars so Star Wars can go back to being esoteric for online autists. The hero we needed but didn't ask for.

>>21372

No. Rian is a faggot like you.

>>21372

>star wars can go back to being for esoteric online autists

>lucasfilm still churning nuwars crap out for kids and normalfags

>>21385

>crap for kids

The series is for kids. The problem began when idiots like Rian tried to make it 'for adults.'

sage goes in all fields

>>21389

Are you saying everyone on this board is a kid? Or are you adults. Hypocritical.

-He told JJ to go fuck himself and basically disregarded everything he tried to setup in the soft reboot

>put in a bunch of shit that made even less sense and was full of plotholes

-He edits his own movies

>he should let someone else if he's so concerned about POC having more oppurtunities

-He shitposts on twitter and makes people mad all across the internet

>SJW shitposting is just as awful as the idiot I am responding too

-He made a good star wars movie in a mediocre at best franchise

>He made the WORST SW movie to date that disregarded all previous character development for self inserts and character assassination

-He isn't afraid of being disliked, in fact he knows something would be wrong if he wasn't since nothing of value is ever universally loved.

>This means he won't eventually kill himself to relieve our suffering

-He watched the prequels during preproduction and writing of The Last Jedi

>Only to make sure he made all the mistakes and none of the good parts

-He opens his mouth only when he wants to unlike Daisy Ridley

>he did it once and has made enough praise to undo it

-His movie has made people cry for almost 9 months now

>It was fucking awful

-He has people talking about him every day crying their eyes out shouting insults

>wishing you were dead in't what your movies are suppose to do, it just proves his level of idoicy

-He mentally fucked with Mark Hamill a la Stanley Kubrick

>Using lawyers to fuck up the best part of the returning cast is a pro to you

-He went to the same film school as George Lucas after reading his book

>hero worshipping proves to not deliver results, who would have thought

-He will tell everyone alive to fuck off if they don't like that he makes the movie he wants to make

>because his politics are more important than you, I can't wait for him to cost studios enough money that he gets his privileges checked like M night

-He killed Star Wars for normies because he didn't make the same damn flick they wanted over and over again

>no he killed it by making a giant piece of shit, with a boring plot tons of plotholes and completely ignored the rules of the reality to go with his hamfisted attempt to make a selfinsert tumblrist a likable character.

3/10 go hang yourself OP

>>21389

the series was made with young boys as a target audience but was still something audiences of all ages could enjoy. now it's just pure kids shit with pathetic brainwashing added in.

>>21400

Wrong. No kids are watching The Last Jedi nor were they the audience for it. TLJ was made for aging progressive Gen-Xers like Rian Johnson.

Star Wars are kids' films that adults enjoy because they can be as children watching them. That is vastly different from the angsty shit that Disney puts out.

>He killed Star Wars for normies because he didn't make the same damn flick they wanted over and over again

He killed Star Wars for fans because the film he made was normie as fuck

>>21409

>Sloppy film making (space is a vacuum).

>Poor ripp offs of ESB/RotJ

>Destroys story set ups from TFA.

>Does not replace set ups with anything.

>Character assassinates Luke Skywalker.

>Everything is le edgy teenager tier and dark.

>Shameless political pandering.

>Millennial humor & dialogue.

Checks out as normie trash although this time they underestimated their intelligence or more likely overestimated their own intelligence & competence.

>>21398

>put in a bunch of shit that made even less sense and was full of plotholes

Maybe if you don't get pottery. Because there's maxiumum pottery for Luke and Anakin

>he should let someone else if he's so concerned about POC having more oppurtunities

Hey anon if you get mad at minorities being in movies in smaller roles you probably should just stop watching movies, because it's racist to think you are owed only white people in movies especially star wars which like star trek was always inclusive. He also edited his debut film that he wrote and directed brick and it has very good editing.

>SJW shitposting is just as awful as the idiot I am responding too

Your entire post is alt right social justice warrioring, look in the mirror

>He made the WORST SW movie to date that disregarded all previous character development for self inserts and character assassination

it's objectively a better movie than The Farce Awakens, rogue one and solo. Film is a visual medium. It's unironically better than those three disneywars movies combined. sure you don't have to like it or love it but you're not showing much taste by trashing it.

>Only to make sure he made all the mistakes and none of the good parts

It had higher highs the all the disneywars movies, if you wanna say it had lower lows sure, but it really didn't Solo was embarassing and TFA was an insult with it's predictability and mary sueness

>He opens his mouth only when he wants to unlike Daisy Ridley

>he did it once and has made enough praise to undo it

I was making a joke about daisy ridley, chill

>It was fucking awful

Not really

>wishing you were dead isn't what your movies are supposed to do

On the contrary, film is like a punch in the gut. Many star wars fans felt the same way who hated the prequels. Because anything that attempts artistry and not just a copy of the usual OT star wars flick is met by kneejerk reactions to "casual" star wars fans. If you wish you were dead because of the last jedi you are kind of sad.

>using lawyers to fuck up the best part of the returning cast is a pro to you

I dont know what you're talking about with reference to lawyers. Luke the way he's written is on an island by himself. He secluded himself there because he's traumatized. So Rian traumatized Mark Hamill a little bit to get the performance he wanted out of him

>her worshippping proves to not deliver results, who would have thought

I would bet you 100 dollars George actually liked it and specifically that he didn't really like The Farce Awakens because JJ is a shit director

>no he killed it by making a giant piece of shit, with a boring plot tons of plotholes and completely ignored the

rules of the reality to go with his hamfisted attempt to make a selfinsert tumblrist a likable character.

"I was raping Frank Herbet, like this. But with love, with love" Alejandro Jodorowski. You have to be true to yourself when making a film and do things the way you want it. the rules of reality of filmmaking or star wars are not concrete. Nobody wants the same movies over and over again

I look forward to Rian Johnsons trilogy.

>>21402

So you're saying the director approached the Star Wars film as a film and didn't pander to young audiences, but instead made an actual film? Yes truly based.

>>21423

I'm saying he approached it as a pretentious dink who viewed himself as a genius and wrote for an audience of faux-progressive twits like you who ironically defend him because you think you are a masterful troll and not just an assmad little film student.

>>>/tv/

>>21422

>objectively

fa/tv/irgin detected, post discarded

>>21422

>Maybe if you don't get pottery. Because there's maxiumum pottery for Luke and Anakin

I know you think you're clever but this is total nonsense. Anakin had a fall over three films and a redemption over three films which had to do with prophecy and the nature of the force. Luke had an accidental attempted murder of his nephew followed by awkwardly dying from force projection after drinking green milk.

>>21422

>it's objectively a better movie than The Farce Awakens, rogue one and solo

Not really, they're all about the same level of shit.

>>21422

0/10 not worth responding to, your first post had a little effort in it. this was just garbage, your trolling is far too obvious.

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>>21443

TLJ is worse than any of those. There is no comparison to the combination of Rian's lack of talent with his massive ego.

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>>21443

this. george does not like the nuwars trilogy. he liked rogue one because he helped gareth with some designs, and it's the only one of the bunch that comes close to getting the star wars feel. i don't think he's made comments on soylo yet.

and the ironic shitposting really needs to go, it's just plain annoying now and i can't stand it anymore.

>>21456

It's been like that since a few weeks after TLJ came out. It's either just a desperate retard who wants (You)s or some total soycuck faggot who is a Rian fanboy.

I suspect he'd claim he's the former if pressed but he's actually the latter and Rian being trashed upsets him deeply.

>>21457

>Rian fanboy

these exist? all the guy basically has to his name are brick, looper and now the last cuck.

>>21459

For some reason I still can't explain Johnson got a lot of good reception for Looper. So yes, they exist, although I truly wouldn't care to meet one.

>>21364

>gets the unique chance to have a legendary composer to score his movie

>makes a selfie with a soylent grin

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>>21460

He's not a Rian fanboy (you're right, they don't exist. Rian is too bland to have actual fans.). He is instead, like ALL TLJ & disney-defenders, some kind of waifuist or "Reylo" idiot. There are even female fans like this (adam driver fans). The average person doesn't give a fuck that TLJ sucks, but the reylos and the waifuist are REALLY annoyed because they're attracted to the cast member(s), so they feel the need to "correct the record" for others through some form of abstract mental gymnastics which helps their shit taste feel validated and they kind of trick themselves into thinking the movie has redeeming qualities. For them it's heartbreaking when people shit talk the movie. Not because they care about the movie, but because they're obsessed with Daisy Ridley or one of the leads or whatever. It's seems like childish behavior but trust me there are a lot of tumblrinas on sites like 4chan and 8chan. I think this can also happen because of politics. The cringey, mentally ill verified-twitter user types feel compelled to defend the movie because the director is part of their sjw tribe. Same goes for most marvel movies too. Leftists are ironically the biggest consumer bugmen out there and they don't even realize it.

>>21467

Eh. The vibe I get from this guy is he is one of the fa/tv/irgins who fanboys a director and long ago he chose Rian Johnson because he was obscure, and he now wants to defend his poor choice.

>>21467

>Leftists are ironically the biggest consumer bugmen out there and they don't even realize it.

That and shippers are a plague of aids that ruin everything.

>>21460

> I still can't explain Johnson got a lot of good reception for Looper

i happen to fall in this crowd, mind you i've only seen it once so i might be due for a revisit, but looper had a few things going for it

1) original scifi story

2) good casting (i actually really like how they went to the effort to make joseph gordon levitt and bruce willis look like the same person)

3) decent use of the time travel concept and loop theory

the only real flaw i could find is that the twist was predictable. you knew it would end up in a situation where someone had to die to prevent the future, it was just a guessing game of who. but for a virtual nobody it was a semi-hit.

>>21471

i forgot to add that the only rian johnson works i've seen are looper, the last cuck and those episodes of breaking bad he directed.

>>21459

Well, he did direct one of the best as well as one of the worst episodes of Breaking Bad. So on quality, he is a literal walking coin flip. Perfectly matches his round head.

He went after or made a joke out of a youtuber's name, Mike Zeroh, as a failure. Ironic that he would bully a youtuber with 100,000+ subscribers when he was used as the face of anti-bullying after the Tran incident. Of course he had to apologize and deleted those tweets but it was saved for posterity to show how petty a man he is. Too bad we couldn't get those other 20,000+ tweets he deleted before. I find it hard to believe he will get his Trilogy after all he's done. He's on twitter more than Noah Antwiler so I can't see him as being busy or in high demand as he claims he is. He'd have to make an actual good movie first before I can see why anyone in the Hollywood Business sees any potential in Rian to back him.

>>21473

Only seen looper and the breaking bad episode, but it feels like I've seen TLJ thanks to all the shitposting

>>21480

>one of the worst episodes of Breaking Bad

what, fly was great. everyone screams it was filler but it shows walt's contempt for jesse and the choices they have to make to get ahead.

>>21364

>soyimboyim with a weak ass chin =/= alpha

Sure is reddit in here

>>21482

Are you a Rianfag?

>21364

How many dads do you have, anon?

>>21492

>Not rians fault that disney didn't make an entire trilogy beforehand about luke and kylo.

Rian showed it in flashback and it sucked. A whole trilogy would be filler.

>Luke also potterys Obi Wan's sacrifice. Rian Johnson knows more about star wars than you do

He certainly thinks he does, because he has a book on his shelf. Rian thinks he is the smartest person in any room he's in. That's his biggest problem.

>>21493

Anon none of you internet dweebs are any smarter. It was better than Looper and Brick is very good.

>>21494

No, his movies are terrible. Fanboy a better director, but do it on /tv/.

>>21471

Pretty sure we've talked about this before, but fuck it, I'm tired and don't give a shit.

>originality

You're not wrong there, but being original isn't the same as being good. TLJ is a good example of this—it copied less from the OT compared to TFA, but every 'new' thing was a complete travesty

>casting

That's not usually something I notice unless it's very good or very bad, but I don't have any real problem with your impression

>decent use of the time travel concept and loop theory

This is where we part ways. The idea of memories changing and scars etc appearing as the future "changes" is actually kinda cool, although it triggers my time travel autism static time-line is best time-line, fight me fagts. The implementation however really feels contrived. Why are only gangs using time travel? Why are they ONLY using it for body disposal, and not a million other profitable things? Why do you close your own loop instead of the mob sending you a different future looper? For such a groundbreaking thing, its application is really minimal and underexploited. Same deal with the TK—not only is its implementation incredibly contrived (people can just lift shit with their minds, and all they use it for is picking up women?), it's just kind of there without any explanation.

It feels like Johnson just had a story he wanted to tell, and made up the setting elements he needed for that story as he went along, post hoc. I get that this is necessary to a certain extent, but when you do it with everything your world just ends up feeling very shallow and has no immersion to it—it becomes so obvious to the audience that the only reason TK is mentioned at all is to have this kid with superpowers, and that cheapens the whole experience. A similar thing happened in TLJ a few times—Emo Ren bombing the hangar while shields were still up, the now-infamous Cruiser of Peace scene, and a few others—which shows that this is a common pattern with Johnson: setting depth and consistency are seen as secondary by him, and rather than accepting these limitations when writing his plot he just bulldozes them out of the way, because he's an too much of an egotistical little shit to believe there could be anything wrong with his writing.

>>21495

Sage negated. Rian is a good director and Brick is a very good movie.

>>21496

science fiction and time travel is fictitious

>>21498

Look, heterosexuals will never agree with you.

>>21492

>Nope all three of those have shit tier editing and tone

And so does TLJ, faggot.

>>21467

I notice OP didn't reply to this post. Hit too close to home OP?

>>21496

>which shows that this is a common pattern with Johnson: setting depth and consistency are seen as secondary by him, and rather than accepting these limitations when writing his plot he just bulldozes them out of the way

That's correct, but this is much less of a problem in Looper than in TLJ because there's nothing else in the setting for him to break. It's all him. You don't have 40 years of other material that makes no sense when combined with the new thing.

>>21504

>That's correct, but this is much less of a problem in Looper than in TLJ because there's nothing else in the setting for him to break. It's all him.

You're not wrong, but I wouldn't say it's much less of a problem, but rather it manifests itself in a different way. In TLJ, one of the many problems was 40+ of material getting ignored. In Looper, the problem is almost the reverse–rather than ignoring the existing material, Johnson never bothers to flesh out anything that isn't directly pertinent to his plot, and as such the movie comes off as shallow, artificial, and empty. For example: Why doesn't anyone but the mob use time travel for anything, and why does the mob ONLY use it for corpse disposal and nothing else? Answer: because Johnson's plot only involves the corpse disposal aspect, and lazy hack that he is he doesn't bother fleshing out anything that's not in direct contact with the plot. Why do "TK" powers just appear from nowhere, and aren't explained, used, or fleshed out until the kid appears? Because Johnson is a lazy hack and only bothered creating TK at all because his plot called for a superautist that can move shit with his mind. It's like another level to JJ's mystery box, only instead of creating a bunch of set-ups without a pay-off, he streamlines the process completely and doesn't even bother with the set-up.

You know those midway-style theme park rides where the car goes through a series of rooms with various scenes and animatronics and shit? The plot of Looper is like one of those, but Johnson only bothered to put up a couple cheap 2D facades right next to the track, and didn't bother filling in any of the background behind them.

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>>21505

i see your frustrations and understand them, but you have to remember the general rule of scifi films is that they're allowed one or two deus ex moments that don't require explanation. also the beginning of the film does all the world-building and it seems to me like you may have zoned out over those parts. again, i haven't seen looper in a while so i don't fully remember, and as much as i should give it a rewatch, that would require subjecting myself to rian johnson again and it's just gonna leave a sour taste in my mouth from that alone, so idk about revisiting.

however, i do love the part where you wrote "setting depth and consistency are seen as secondary by him, and rather than accepting these limitations when writing his plot he just bulldozes them out of the way, because he's an too much of an egotistical little shit to believe there could be anything wrong with his writing" because man that shit is spot-on.

Troll thread should be saged.

>>21364

imagine him without a beard

literally looks like a happy baby hhahahahahahahha how can someone literally look like a fucking baby

>>21525

>You don't know anything about filmmaking

haha i had some retard on facebook try to blast me with this when i showed how the score to tfa was trash.

>>21526

>how can someone literally look like a fucking baby

the soy is strong with him

>>21525

that gamespot article iirc was made based on george's episode 7, not the farce engorges. it's all public knowledge that he dislikes jew jew's soft reboot.

>>21531

forgot to add, that when i pointed out the inconsistent cues (why is the cue that plays when luke discovers owen and beru's charred corpses playing when rey pulls the lightsaber, what the fuck john) repetitive motifs (seriously, every big track has the main motif at least four or five times, i know previous scores did this but it was never to this extent) and just generally forgettable music outside of one or two cues (kylo ren's little motif and that scherzo for x-wings piece are the only ones that stood out to me). not to mention the musicians involved sounded like shit, this is what you get for hiring session players and not using a full orchestra, fuckin yidsney cutting corners as usual. but yeah the guy started preaching that musical engineering was his background or some shit, which only gave me more ammo to dispel his shenanigans.

what's funny is that john did something similar to this with his score to tintin. that score was basically a mashup of every spielberg score he ever did, but it still sounded far better than tfa. tfa was literally just the main motif spread over with repeat cues from past star wars films despite not fitting in, with barely any new memorable tunes. it was shit through and through, and while i prefer the last jedi's score in comparison, it also suffers from this problem. the only score so far that's stood out to me was rogue one's.

the only way i can excuse this is that it was well reported that john was sick during writing/recording, so i think he ended up just reusing motifs as a filler and never got around to addressing them, and the plebeians still ate it up because of their soy diets.

>>21533

>(why is the cue that plays when luke discovers owen and beru's charred corpses playing when rey pulls the lightsaber, what the fuck john)

this may be his way of telling us that Disney senselessly murdered Star Wars. if so, it's a deftly woven subliminal message, much like the use of Palpatine's Theme in the celebratory music at the end of Episode I.

>>21534

>it's a deftly woven subliminal message

HAHAAAAHA

>>21534

>imblying Disney has any idea what subtlety is anymore

>>21540

Disney doesn't, but John Williams still does. that's why he was able to slip his condemnation of Nu Wars under their noses.

>>21533

Sometimes the sound editors literally pick and choose random music to fill in

>>21662

hmm, this isn't all too far-fetched. would also explain the mixing in the prequels.

>>21533

>the only way i can excuse this is that it was well reported that john was sick during writing/recording

The TFA soundtrack being shit is JJ's fault. He refused to show the rough cut of the movie to John Williams because JJ was scared of possible leaks so he only sent brief written descriptions of each scene and the old man tried his best to score something.

To me, this is why Rey's theme doesn't fit what is on screen for example. The theme feels way too joyful and has that sense of call to adventure that never happen on screen. I wonder if JJ used a theme from Memories of a Geisha as a temptrack and Williams went with it.

>>21704

They can remix in music that has already been used or just certain portions of songs in different orders like chase songs. Everything is mixed and done with intention, but yes it's not always the intention of Williams or the director. But it majorly is.

>>21704

>>21707

>forgot to add, that when i pointed out the inconsistent cues (why is the cue that plays when luke discovers owen and beru's charred corpses playing when rey pulls the lightsaber, what the fuck john)

That's because JJ abrams and the sound editor decided to use it with no good reason other than they needed a sound. The more the director cares about the product the more he and the composer work on where they want to use older music and using motifs. From what i recall the prequels didn't have anything i noticed that were unnecessary. Even TLJs sound mixing and soundtracks have more care to TFAs because Rian Johnson worked together moreso with John Williams to let him know the emotion and importance of the scenes message. Ie the soundtrack works better in TLJ than TFA.

>>21708

>the soundtrack works better in TLJ

No. Fuck off.

>>21706

>He refused to show the rough cut of the movie to John Williams because JJ was scared of possible leaks

<Hey, you know that world renowned musical genius we have?

<Let's not give him any input!

>>21711

Yes it does LMFAO

>>21713

Meme videos have better music/video integration than TLJ.

>>21708

>the soundtrack works better in TLJ than TFA.

no, as i stated before, TLJ's score is guilty of everything TFA's score has as well. the dogfighting music plays while the falcon flies through a cave when no actual dogfighting is going on. more care was taken to weave it into the natural progression of the music, sure, but it still didn't fit with the scene.

>>21706

>The TFA soundtrack being shit is JJ's fault. He refused to show the rough cut of the movie to John Williams because JJ was scared of possible leaks so he only sent brief written descriptions of each scene

This is a joke, right?