cdff1c No.26808
Is Star Trek: Into Darkness actually better than Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan?
I re-watched it for the first time today and it's not as bad as I remember, I think the first 15 minutes at least are good.
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ce9bde No.26812
No. It's a passable normie action movie (lel just turn your brain of xD) if you pretend it's just generic Sci-Fi and not trek, but it's still trash.
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58ffbb No.26814
>>26808
>Is Star Trek: Into Darkness actually better than …
No. Whatever it's being compared to the answer is always 'no'. Well, OK, compared to castration and decades of ritualized torture I would take the option to watch shit-tier nutrek, but it's a close call there.
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6316a1 No.26815
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c740c9 No.26816
>>26814
Even if it's "Is Star Trek: Into Darkness actually better than the the ST Voyager episode Tattoo" or "Is Star Trek: Into Darkness actually better than the the Enterprise episode A Night in Sickbay"?
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feb186 No.26817
>>26816
Yes. Those are still Star Trek and not abramshit.
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5caf3d No.26828
Is Star Trek: Into Darkness actually better than the other two Nu Trek films?
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cdff1c No.26836
I don't think Cabbagepatch played Khan very well, there also wasn't much back story about him, this was acceptable in The Wrath of Khan because it was closer to Space Seed (still a long wait) but Into Darkness definitely can't use that excuse.
>>26815
We all know that Quinto's Spock is terrible.
Aside from this it has some interesting bits, hiding Khan's crew in torpedoes, the movie begins by showing what Kirk was willing to sacrifice for his colleague and calls back to that when Kirk and Khan are talking while he is imprisoned. I also liked that Pike actually pointed out how Kirk gets away with breaking rules all the time just by being lucky. In the original films he gets demoted to captain, but still commands a starship so who the fuck cares? Trek has always had philosophical debates at its core, the militarization of Starfleet touched on this. Peter Weller was the best actor in the movie, though I had to suspend disbelief to imagine somebody like him could not only get into Starfleet but also rise to the rank of admiral—and yet the evil admiral is Star Trek tradition, so it's more surprising that when he decides to murder everyone on the Enterprise the PMC/Section-31 crew or whomever the fuck they were just nodded "Aye aye sir" lets blow up a thousand of our people while the Klingons are on their way.
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c740c9 No.26843
>>26828
No, Beyond was almost tolerable as Simon Pegg's big budget Star Trek fanfilm.
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ce9bde No.26845
>>26828
It was easily the worst. I fucked up in >>26812 and accidentally thought that faggot OP was referring to the first nu-Trek, to which that description applies–nu-trek 1 is solidly mediocre if you ignore the trek label and pretend it's dumb action sci-fi. Nu-trek 3 makes some half-assed attempts to emulate trek so it gets some points for that, but then it also has faggotry in it. Nu-trek 2 rapes the most amount of lore, relies the most on nostalgia goggles because Khan, and has the greatest number of plotholes out of all of them.
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cdff1c No.26852
>>26845
>and has the greatest number of plotholes out of all of them.
Such as?
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8c0090 No.26861
>>26845
As much as I hate the actionification of post-1991 Trek movies, at least the 2009 movie got the characters right. They felt like they could actually be the younger versions of the TOS characters, before they'd gained some maturity. I don't give the writers any credit for that though, I think that was all in the actors' own interpretations of the characters.
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5b14ba No.26865
>>26816
Yes. Also, I like 'A Night in Sickbay' fuck you
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ce9bde No.26867
>>26852
>Such as?
Fuck, you expect me to remember the intricacies of a shitty movie I didn't care very much about? Especially when it's pushing 6 years old? The couple that come to mind was chasing Cumberkhan all over Earth to get some of his magic blood that heals people, despite them having 80 of Khan's crewmembers with the same blood already onboard. They don't even pretend these other crewmembers don't exist, as they take one of them out of his stasis chamber to put Kirk's body into stasis. There was also some point where Kirk and Cumberkhan were zooming around in spacesuits, and I don't recall a reason being given why they were in space suits and not a shuttlecraft.
>>26861
Yeah casting choices weren't terrible, although if JJ wanted to make a whole nu franchise using already-known big names like Chris Pine wasn't a good idea, as they're expensive and have movies other people want to cast them in. So in a way he did the right thing by limiting how long the trainwreck could go on. Pity he learned his lesson and used mostly no-names for nu-wars.
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8bd73d No.26868
>>26867
> and used mostly no-names for nu-wars.
I still fucking wonder how (((disney and jewjew))) manage to fuck up a basic formula to print monies out of SW nerds.
>hire one well known marquee actor preferably britbong but have to be WHITE, stage actorfag even if they're expensive work out the budget for it
>the rest of the main cast should be up and comers with potential, read: cheap gambles that might pay off
>hire an editor and director that is willing and able to say NO and rein in your worst impulses but keep your best world building ideas
>hire practical and competent filmcrew people, such as physical set builders and carpenters and cinematographers who knows the actual technical craft and not just lens flares in post
>a wild and cuhrayzeee idea, how about not insulting your fans for virtue signalling points
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d70aa1 No.26870
>>26868
(((They))) prize Star Wars as a cultural relic above all else, they weren't just going to leave it alone. but the feminist slant wouldn't have been enough to tank the franchise in more competent hands.
>>26867
The best known Nu Trek actor as of 2009 was Quinto I think, and it's not like he had
(or has) anything better to do. They just don't know how to make it an MCU-tier franchise, and maybe there really is no way.
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a9faeb No.26872
>>26870
I was thinking mainly Chris Pine, he seems to be the lead in capeshit and action movies fairly often.
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8c0090 No.26881
>>26865
>Yes. Also, I like 'A Night in Sickbay' fuck you
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14b7dc No.26882
>>26808
>Is Star Trek: Into Darkness actually better than Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan?
>Khan is a white guy
your argument is invalid
The fact they cast Cumberbatch as this role was among the most mentally retarded things they did in the franchise thus far.
That's not even going into how they turned his character from "genetically superior well bred man" to "literally superhuman with healing blood"
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455578 No.26883
>>26808
>Is Star Trek: Into Darkness actually better than Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan?
I barely remember it. While Khan is not only loved by fans, but somehow still gets played at film festivals.
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5cf38f No.26886
>>Is Star Trek: Into Darkness actually better
There was no colon. The title is Star Trek Into Darkness
>>26882
Ill cast, missed opportunity, and sadly he's the best thing about the movie.
>superhuman with healing blood
HA Oh yeah. The warp speed transporter irked me most
>>26883
This
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8c0090 No.26889
>>26886
I beg to differ. There was clearly a colon, because that's the only possible place that Into Darkness could have come from.
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cdff1c No.26891
>>26867
>I don't recall a reason being given why they were in space suits and not a shuttlecraft.
cuz its cool
I say that in jest but that's probably the reason why.
As for the blood, I did wonder that too, I just assumed that Bones couldn't get it out of one of the popsicle people for some reason. Interesting question, I know that when blood is transported it's usually on ice but not frozen. I'll look into what happens to it.
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c740c9 No.26893
>>26891
>cuz its cool
that's something that's always bugged me. Like 90% of all the times they've done any spacesuit shit, it would have been far more sensible to just use a guy in a work bee.
In fact, as crazy as it sounds, I think STD might be the only trek I can recall that has ever bothered to use one for utility work during a mission instead of sticking a guy in a space suit
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cdff1c No.26897
>>26893
That's a bit different. Certain ways of doing things were established in TOS and had to be continued because it is the Trek way later. It's possible that in the earlier incarnations they didn't have the budget to create something like a worker bee. Their use in STD was actually one of the most shocking things for me. We have drones now days so it makes easy sense to us but in the 60s or 80s it might have been more different to imagine. Farscape was pretty clever with it's DRDs. But that sort of robo automation isn't usually the Star Trek way, they have decided, maybe for philosophical reasons, that people need to do most things. And spacesuits are easier to envision by producers and show viewers on screen than super specialized little crafts on screen.
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e14981 No.26898
Old Ricardo Montalban could beat Benedict Cumberdick into a pulp.
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e79fa6 No.26900
>>26898
>this is what a feminist looks like
The best part is that those shirts are made by literal female slaves.
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f0ea84 No.26902
It was total garbage with no redeeming value.
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