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a61b63 No.25891

>Galactic civilization that only reveals itself to warp-capable species

>implying astronomers would never see the giant space battles with their telescopes.

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0e0a16 No.25892

Due to relativity they'd see it millions of years later.

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7e9245 No.25893

>>25892

Not given how cramped the Star Trek galaxy is.

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d0fe39 No.25894

I'm surprised nobody has told another race yet to turn down their radio.

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26664d No.25895

>>25891

This ain't Star Wars, bruv, "giant space battles" on the scale of the Dominion War aren't all that common, and even then the ships aren't Xbox-hueg, so battles aren't going to be as visible as you may think.

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cb109e No.25898

>>25891

They'd have to know exactly where to look, and how to filter it out from the noise. For example we missed a complete STAR SYSTEM just a few light years from here (Luhman 16), and we didn't detect it because of what light it emitted. We detected it because its gravity had jiggled a brighter star enough, that using jiggle mathemagic, we were able to approximate its position.

Basically taking a single image, and using human to figure it out, our telescopes can only see main sequence stars within a few light years.

The reason how we can see other stars is this:

1. Telescope takes a few seconds of high resolution video.

2. This 500 terabyte video fills a massive server.

3. They then disconnect and load a server on a truck, and drive it to a supercomputer. most telescopes are on mountains and dont have internet, much less bandwidth needed to transfer such a large amount

4. The supercomputer then analyzes it pixel by pixel for like 20 years, before identifying individual stars.

>>25894

Radio waves actually stop being intelligible after about 0.5 light year, and its much too quiet to be detected anyway. A fucking neutron star burst was barely detectable with shitscopes for most radio astronomy history. To put in perspective a burst of radio from a neutron star or a pulsar is going to be more powerful in a single second than the combined radio emissions of humanity for all its history and the next couple of million years as well.

Now Russia is going to do something cool and put two radio telescopes in high orbit on opposite sides of the earth, and use some math magic to simulate a "dish" the size of their orbit (100,000km radius) and that might detect some aliens with radios if they lived within 8 lightyears of us.

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a61b63 No.25900

even one photon torpedo explosion would be a scientific anamoly.

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f89628 No.25901

What happens if SETI picks up alien space signals but they're still too dumb to build a warp drive

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976246 No.25904

that's what I don't get about the prime directive

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32e0e2 No.25908

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>>25898

>two radio telescopes in high orbit on opposite sides of the earth, and use some math magic to simulate a "dish" the size of their orbit (100,000km radius)

Holy shit humanity can be awesome sometimes.

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69ff41 No.25915

>>25891

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1703.10432.pdf

>In this paper, we look directly at the ability of telescopes to observe a photometric event that would be indicative of potential extraterrestrial activity. In doing this, we focus on a very specific test case, a concave dish composite beam superlaser as part of an alien megastructure being used to destroy an Earth-like planet.

I hope you'll forgive the specific topic, which is more suited to a different board, but this is the closest academic article I could find on the issue of detecting such things. Yes it's an April 1 article, but being a joke doesn't mean it's wrong.

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1b19a0 No.25920

> allowing all civilizations to be exploited by Ferengi and Pakleds before meeting civilized aliens

I don't get this double anthropologist standard, when niggers are integrated into society they are considered equals and members of the same species, yet if a new undiscovered and untouched tribe is found in the amazon, it is somehow unethical to "contaminate" them.

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068e1b No.25922

>>25898

>much less bandwidth needed to transfer such a large amount

Using a truck would might be the optimal solution regardless of the bandwidth (within reason). It would still take a week even with 10Gb connection.

>Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

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f4744c No.25926

>>25898

>Radio waves actually stop being intelligible after about 0.5 light year,

You know there's multiple cases in Star Trek of two civilizations sharing a Star System right?

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e965b2 No.25978

>>25891

I think the bigger concern is how more species don't freak out as soon as they achieve Warp travel that the Federation is there to snap them up, or after getting what they want from the Federation deciding to leave?

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976246 No.25992

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