fd715d No.24905
I'm watching DS9 at the moment and it really pisses me off how close this show is to being a masterpiece. Every time I watch a couple of good episodes in succession I think "Okay NOW the show gets really good," but then I'm interrupted with a shitty Bajoran episode. Why did the show have to center around these lame ass aliens and their gay religion? If the Prophets are really that great, they wouldn't have let the Cardassians occupy Bajor. There is not one likeable Bajoran in the entire series, and don't even get me started on this cunt. It could have just been about the Dominion, Klingons, Cardassians, and the Maquis and the show would have been fine.
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7a94e9 No.24907
Tell me this: If Bajor was so great, why didn't they conquer a Bajor 2?
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9e4a6b No.24909
>>24905
>If the Prophets are really that great, they wouldn't have let the Cardassians occupy Bajor.
Wasn't it because they were stuck in the wormhole?
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7e0f80 No.24910
>>24905
>If the Prophets are really that great
Because they're lazy fucks who don't care about anything.
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d19438 No.24912
>>24905
Kai Winn unironically did nothing wrong. She was one of maybe five non-brainlet Bajorans (okay, she didn't realise the dude she was fucking was Dukat, but that's one thing). Every episode about the Bajoran religion without her was shit, especially if it featured just Vedek "snoozefest" Bareil.
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28101f No.24913
>>24912
Those nutjobs in one One Flew Over a Cuck's Nest had it coming too
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9e4a6b No.24914
>>24912
Kai Winn was the bajoran equivalent of Hillary Clinton.
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0379c0 No.24915
>>24907
>why didn't they conquer a Bajor 2?
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d19438 No.24920
>>24914
A successful Clinton then. Managed to blackmail Bareil into giving up the race to become Kai. It didn't work out in the end, sure, but Dukat's kinda to blame for that.
Side note, but I wish Fletcher was younger. She'd make a killer Clinton in a movie about the 2016 Presidential election.
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42155f No.24921
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9e4a6b No.24925
>>24920
>It didn't work out in the end, sure, but Dukat's kinda to blame for that.
It's not Dukat's fault if she failed as a Kai, after all she has never heard or saw the Prophets. She was jealous of Sisko for being able to talk to them.
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285f0c No.24929
>If the Prophets are really that great, they wouldn't have let the Cardassians occupy Bajor.
50 years is literally meaningless to them. They are on another level of existence from us, so it's no wonder all the shit they do is indirect. They still regularly shit out magical items, so whatever. It's like you missed the whole point Sisko made about the Prophets' divinity being an aspect of Bajoran interpretation due to their clear and evidenced presence.
If a wormhole was where the moon was on Earth and it regularly popped out real and accurate prophecies and we had only been to space a few times, we'd probably think they were gods too.
Also,
>he doesn't like Kira before she got pregnant and became a background character
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9c57ae No.24935
>>24905
>If the Prophets are really that great, they wouldn't have let the Cardassians occupy Bajor
No, it's the opposite. The Prophets let the Cardies occupy Bajor because they knew it would be the best thing for the planet.
And Kira's pretty good after the first season once she chilled out a bit.
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e00314 No.24939
>>24914
Kai Hillary would've fucked Dukat on purpose, and enjoyed it less
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9a056f No.24949
>>24905
>Why did the show have to center around these lame ass aliens and their gay religion?
penance for perceived past ethnic stereotyping.
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205a36 No.24976
>>24914
That's quite the point with her; she's a ruthless, venal pol who's willing to engage in spirit cooking digging around forbidden texts and creepy fucking caves to get just a little bit more power. She single-handedly fucks up her entire religion, up to and including their Revelations equivalent, because some navel gazing autists in a glowing hole in spacetime can't be bothered to tell her she's special as opposed to the newfag asshole managing the old Cardie space station on the ass end of the solar system.
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bcf506 No.25133
>>24915
I GOT FIVE KIDZ!
>>24912
I'd throw it in Kai Winn's sandy hole, her shitty galactic crinklenose politicking aside. As long as she cosplays as Nurse Ratshit.
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eed447 No.25138
>>25133
>I'd throw it in Kai Winn's sandy hole, her shitty galactic crinklenose politicking aside. As long as she cosplays as Nurse Ratshit.
This… and I get to choke her.
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d75882 No.25139
What I always found silly was how the Prophets were supposed to be this grand and powerful quasi-divine force when the Q and hundreds of energy based species like the Organians existed. That alien race that turned Barclay into a supercomputer was far more impressive than the Prophets.
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bc2dc3 No.25140
>>25139
TOS and TNG meet quasi-godlike creatures on a weekly basis, which are all never mentioned again. Which makes sense, because overpowered entities are always a problem to comprehensively write about, that's why they made Q so silly.
But yeah, compared to the god of week or a being that can destroy entire solar systems with a single thought are far more impressive than a bunch of aliens dislodged from space-time in a wormhole. But I never cared for such uber-creatures anyway, because too quickly they become a plot device/deus ex machina.
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bc2dc3 No.25141
I mean, the prophets did became a deus ex machina when they crushed the Dominion fleet, but to be fair this was the only incident when they used higher powers/a plot device to defeat the Dominion, the rest of the war drags out quite conventionally.
Really gotta say that the writers did know what they were doing with the Dominion War. There was no "off-trigger" on the villain, no Frodo throwing a ring into the fire behind enemy lines, just a classic war where the Feds manage to win because they thwart the Dominion attempts to gain allies in the Alpha Quadrant. That was actually quite refreshing.
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cabee3 No.25142
>>25141
There was an off trigger. Odo and the female linked and it was over. She was ready to keep fighting.
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c66fd8 No.25143
>>25140
>But I never cared for such uber-creatures anyway, because too quickly they become a plot device/deus ex machina.
Why is deus ex machina considered a negative? It’s a plot device. The Odyssey uses it, as does the Iliad.
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205a36 No.25150
>>25142
There's a good debate to be had that she wasn't in a good mental condition at that point. Either way though the Dominion would have lost at that point, the Allied fleet would have taken a lot of dings but she was as good as carpet-bombed. It's not much of an off-trigger if the result is largely baked in.
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bc2dc3 No.25153
Managed to convince my gf to watch DS9 with me and I just dragged her through the 3 episode arc at the beginning of season 2 and I can already tell she is terminally bored by the Bajoran politics. Too fucking bad we can't skip it because it introduces so many characters. I just hope we make it to the Marquis double episode soon, because after that things take off.
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8bfa21 No.25154
>>25141
>I mean, the prophets did became a deus ex machina when they crushed the Dominion fleet,
This was pretty well justified, and not just an escape after the writers wrote themselves into a corner
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74d755 No.25306
>>25154
100% not an escape. Didn't feel cheap at all.
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17c597 No.25307
I'm pretty sure Roddenberry would have disapproved of so much religion in Star Trek.
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5a3b3d No.25308
>>25153
>Expecting a woman to appreciate something as profoundly autistic as DS9
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74d755 No.25310
>>25307
Bread and Circuses from the original series was a Christian episode. TOS had it's libcuck bits but it could be very square jawed and WASPish by today's standards. TNG was probably the most fedora "fuck my wife" enlightened to my own intelligence run, then by DS9 it'd begun to reek of talmudic judaism with (((bajorans))) as the chosen every woman a whore everyone a faggot and Sisko as some sort of nigger Jesus. Now we have Discovery. Thanks atheism.
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287c16 No.25316
>>25307
DS9 getting away from Roddenberry's (((vision))) was a big part of what made it enjoyable.
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bc2dc3 No.25318
>>25316
How? Besides Picard's two rants, I don't think there is any show that references the socio-economic system of the Federation as much as DS9. The two episodes about Changelings infiltrating Earths are particulary about Earth being an utopia that is now threatened.
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42155f No.25319
>>25318
>The two episodes about Changelings infiltrating Earths are particulary about Earth being an utopia that is now threatened.
That's actually part of "getting away" from Roddenberry's vision. Together with the Maquis conflict, those episodes deconstructed the idea of the Federation being a utopia, by pointing out that Utopia might not be such a great place after all.
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74d755 No.25343
>>25319
You got any idea how many jews were involved with DS9? I like the show, but to imply it was somehow less zogged than Roddenberry is absurd.
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42155f No.25344
>>25343
I'm aware of that and that wasn't what I was suggesting.
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74d755 No.25345
>>25344
sorry, wrong post
>>25343
meant for
>>25316
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1b4a12 No.25443
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1b4a12 No.25455
actually Michael Piller is just as bad
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fadcf3 No.25456
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ad1ad8 No.25457
Can I ask what the fuck was with that whole 'Sisko's mom was possessed by a Prophet' shit? Who thought that was a good idea? Sisko's already the Emissary, why make him a Prophetkin?
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524986 No.25464
>>25457
I think they just needed to give Sisko a reason to feel more related to the prophets and start being more spiritual and less pragmatic.
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ad1ad8 No.25465
>>25464
I guess that's a good point. I think it would've been better if his dad had been the Prophet instead.
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42155f No.25531
>>25457
>>25464
>>25465
It would have been better still if they dropped that shit arc entirely and made Season 7 about something, anything, that didn't involve Dukat getting possessed by demons to battle Kang Space Jesus for the fate of the universe.
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74d755 No.25599
>>25531
I'd have liked a twist where it turns out the entire series was still inside the game, and they had to now move along home. Then once out of the game Sisko gets fired and demoted, Bajor is rejected admission into the federation and Dukat retakes the station re-estabilishing himself as Prefect of Bajor. Kira in Dukat's office, the door closes, Dukat smirking power triangling at his desk, she flinches when he violently swats the baseball off sending it banging into the wall, Kira hesitates a moment, starts crying as she slowly unzips her pant tunic thing, Bajoran screams rise in the with guttural Cardassian laughs and disruptor fire. The End.
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0379c0 No.25649
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3bd8e0 No.25651
>>25649
Here's the link to his profile. As great as it is to have an alternative, BitChute REALLY needs more entertainment content.
https://www.bitchute.com/channel/razorfist/
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404a54 No.25655
>>25599
Gave me a half chub.
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8d18ec No.25684
>>25651
I feel like anons here could do a better indepth review of Trek at this rate.
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