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84d7f0 No.22996

To open, the Borg are one of the most interesting things in the Star Trek cannon to me but for that same reason the way they're portrayed just makes me autistically angry about the stupid inconsistencies and just plain out wrong shit in the series.

Professed goal of the Borg: to achieve perfection by adding the perspectives and abilities of all other species to themselves

Inconsistent iterations of the Borg:

1. The Borg is a collective mind

2. The Borg are a collective of networked minds

3. The Borg are meat slaves that serve the Queen

Wrong shit/counterproductive motives that derive from these inconsistent portrayals as well as stand alone problems

A. Obviously the first part is one of the biggest problems, considering that the moral status of the Borg changes with each iteration. For instance: In case 1 from the above the Borg are achieving their goal to some extent and really aren't exactly harming anyone, inasmuch as assumption into a collective mind is not slavery but would rather subjectively feel like a huge amount of extra brain power and ideas being added to your own. Further, due to the merging of the minds in this way the Borg get to make use of drones without moral qualms, in that each individual is simultaneously self-identical to the collective mind and is owned thereby more like a limb than a person. Further, in this model each mind added to the collective is basically immortal, as all minds added have a complete continuity of experience through the collective and thereby, by identity principle, exist even after their original body dies. Additionally, the Borg achieve their goal in part in this scenario as the collective mind becomes more complex and receives new perspectives with each assimilation. In case 2. from the above, you lose basically all the advantages from scenario one and drone use becomes immoral as each mind is an individual still attached to a body. Further, they fail to achieve their stated goal as the collective is made up of a network that does not retain lost input from dead drones. In case 3. from the above the Borg become cartoonish villains and fail their original goal entirely as the Queen takes nothing from the collective and crushes the uniqueness they claim to want.

B. The Borg had amazing potential to function as an effective counter argument to the individualistic moralism of the Federation, with a more fleshed out version of iteration 1., from the above, Borg they or rather IT could have had a very valid standpoint on ethics, a society of a single mind handily avoids almost every problem that the other species have, no rebellions, no wars, conflict is impossible inside of the Borg, every single ill of society is just impossible in that structure.

C. How the Borg ended up functioning was incredibly disappointing, inasmuch as they basically became the avatar of the common American trope of "collectivism" that gets thrown at everyone and everything that doesn't suck the neoliberal cock. Star Trek had real potential to demystify non-individual or unitary modes of ethics and failed so spectacularly that they're indistinguishable from Cold War era propaganda at times.

D. Assimilated biotechnological hybrids as your sole unit and population is retarded design. With the level of tech present in the collective they could have easily just abducted the brain by itself, added it to the collective mind as presented in iteration 1. and used engineered biotech or just pure tech bodies as foot soldiers if needed, which they largely wouldn't be. There's no reason for Borg cubes to be filled with walking corpses, it's stupid and doesn't add to their stated goal as the drone physiology is usually incredibly homogeneous and, if specialized, is artificially so, meaning that unique physical capabilities are not added to the collective what ever.

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7f4eb0 No.25778

The biggest problem is using implants that are more like Strogg and cause chafing and other skin irritations is the exact opposite of efficency - when your drones suck because their skin is fucked up.. that's a major problem.

Unless the borg are disdainful - even without noticing it as a motive - of the biological flesh.

That is my new Headcanon.

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960b71 No.25786

retconning the queen into being a "graphical user interface" for the rare times the borg needs to actually interact with another group instead of just forcibly assimilating and/or destroying them would help a lot. Also, establishing a reason for why they've been shown both birthing their own kids and assimilating people like zombies would be good. Maybe something like, they look for useful new meat bodies to upgrade the collective with as much as they hunt for new technology. And by beating the borg several times, showing how awesome they are, humans have been put on the "bring as many into the collective as possible so we can starting a breeding population" list Hell you could even toss in some eugenics nightmare fuel by saying they've been trying cross breed the various races to produce the best possible baseline meat puppet possible, ie: klingon durability, humanity's breeding rates, Guinan's race's lifespan, etc

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ec2c28 No.25789

quite honestly I think if the borg made a "king" which go along sides the queen but instead of grand scale macromanagment, he operates on more focused micromanagement.

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701148 No.25792

>>25789

>he operates on more focused micromanagement.

Just imagine if the Borg assimilated a Korean? Then nobody could ever compete with their Starcraft skills.

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6e315d No.25799

>>25786

>why they've been shown both birthing their own kids

I'm pretty sure they just incubate babies that are assimilated/ been gestating in assimilated people.

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960b71 No.25811

>>25799

the thing is, the borg pumping out their own kids is a thousand times more sensible and effective than assimilating people.

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ca6b7f No.25812

>>25799

They were implied to be born/grown infants when they first appeared. The idea that the Borg only reproduce through stealing other species is beyond retarded.

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3ff860 No.25822

>>22996

>Assimilated biotechnological hybrids as your sole unit and population is retarded design.

What makes you think they don't make their own babies? The first episode they appear they show the incubation chamber.

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59e9e9 No.25825

>>25812

the idea that the borg only assimilate is beyond retarded too

thanks voyager!

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8802e4 No.25828

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>>25786

The only problem i have with the borg is that they insist on the doing the zombi infection to everyone.

Also the not detecting intruders before they get hostile is stupid.

If the borg relicated (vat grown borg) new drones it would make them look far more threatening (we can build zillions in seconds)

>>25778

>Strogg

While we are on the subject of the Strogg they look like a far better version of the Borg. The strogg are far superior physically to humans and can break you in half without even trying.

Getting a upper rank Strogg in normal combat would be suicidal; try fighting a cyborg that can take rockets to the face, break you in half if he grabs you, and spams his machine gun constantly not to speak of his grenade launcher that he will use and grenade you in the face in the next chance he has.

Also the Strogg look far more militaristic and don't fuck around with letting intruders enter their facilities.

This is because the Strogg where made for military science fiction shooters (Quake 2 and 4).

On the other hand the Strogg are over represented in the combat shooter division(because they are from a game where you shoot cyborgs in the face) and future battles will be more about space ship combat (this is where the borg look far more realistic) there will be practically no commando style fighting like in Quake like we dont have sward fighting in todays wars.

So having a literally tank like cyborg run around corridors with RPGs strapped to himself makes far less sense. And we know practically nothing about the Strogg space fleet.

Since we can expect Quake 2 style fighting to be minimal most of the ships will be not filled with cyborgs who have weapons strapped to themselves on the level seen in Quake 2 and 4.

What always rubbed me the wrong way was that Borg need to get one drone killed to adapt their shielding its nice and all that the collective adapts however can not all drones have personal shields turned on when intruders show up?

I don't have problems with the rest of the borg and I even have a head canon theories that I need to make videos about.

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209ed2 No.25836

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>>25825

>the idea that the borg only assimilate is beyond retarded too

>

>thanks voyager!

Your ignorance saddens me, Voyager definitely shows borg maturation chambers in the episode where they pick up four borg kids (6x16 Collective).

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ca6b7f No.25847

>>25836

I think it was that same episode which implied that Borg had to steal kids and rapidly mature them rather than spawning their own. All of the kids that were found were abductees and not Borg-born, remember.

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35da22 No.25854

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>>25836

I love the borg and what VOY did to them, however I have to admit they really say that the kids are stolen never manufactured.

And this must be true because one of the kids was send to the cube with some super borg virus DNA in him that fucked up the cube and all other borg in the cube.

Yes VOY did run with the "borg only assimilate to get new drones" trope. Yes its extremely stupid. However its OK lots of shows make stupid aliens who are laughably comical (look we are cyberman from Dr. WHO! WE are cyborgs who have a gold allergy. We are some super space army however we are literally to stupid to put on ourselves space suits to not fucken get gold sprayed into our lungs!).

Same for VOYs

"Borg only learn for assimilating other species and are incapable of making experiments"

This is extremely stupid.

>>25825

>thanks voyager!

With this out of the way the borg where absolute shit and retarded in TNG.

They never where threatening and you really need to head canon Q gimping them in the first encounter with magic to head canon them into a threat in the first and only episode where they where intelligent.

Try re-watching all borg episodes of TNG:

1) Q magics you to the borg notice they stay dead in space and are not even reacting when the crew gets on the cube (You need to head canon Q making the ship invisible or gimping the borg in other ways)

Some drones are send over no real invasion, the ships stand next to one another for over 10 minutes (you really need to milk the 'Q gimped the borg' card).

Some fight finally starts and the Galaxy class is outclassed so Q magics the crew away.

2) The borg turn to absolute shit! It turns out every drone has admin privileges and can use this to trigger a sleep mode in the cube.

Grab 1 drone insert some cables and use sleep mode boom cube is in sleep mode.

The icing on the cake is that the borg are so Utopian that cutting/banning one drone is like

>Removing your arm or leg

This is simply comical and stupid. VOY improved the borg with the Queen in every way. See VOYs

>Oh 1 drone on 1 cube is not responding? I detonate the fucker because I have zillions of cubes and its literally pocket change to me.

>Whats this ? I suspect you are defective? Let me ban you from the collective to isolate the problem.

And this is why the borg need a Queen.

All in unimatrix zero if I remember correctly.

The VOY borg are superior to the ass shitting retardation that where TNG borg.

And I challenge you to show me how VOY did not improve the borg in every way. Not the borg of your fanfiction the borg shown on TNG.

3) cube crashes, the drone Hue is there the federation has a virus that will be literally like

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/science-technology/919343/iPhone-Text-Message-Crash-WhatsApp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJLMSllzoLA

For the iPhone only on steroids.

Picard turns out will not use this "virus" on the borg and the crew chats with this drone.

The crew releases this drone back to the borg and hopes them teaching it about "individuality" will end the borg.

4) Turns out they are RIGHT! All you needed to do to finish the borg was chat with 1 drone and this radical idea and new thought will collapse the collective!

Laughable.

VOY massively improved the borg they removed the bullshit of

>Muh drones can not harm muh drones

and the simplistic hacking used on them in TNG.

Now to infect the collective you needed genius scientists from civilizations working together to create:

1) Bioweapon in the form of a genetically modified child.

2) a modified cube central computer (or some shit I forget the name) that will work the same way, cube grabs it gets fucked up more cubes show up and try to analyze this computer they get fucked up.

3) Future virus made in the distant future who was injected into the Queen and central hub.

And every one of these options is far more dignified then

<Lets talk to a drone about individuality this will collapse the collective.

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960b71 No.25859

>>25854

>However its OK lots of shows make stupid aliens who are laughably comical (look we are cyberman from Dr. WHO! WE are cyborgs who have a gold allergy.

In DW's defense, they did try to rework the cyber-men, although they also turned them into borg rip offs (who literally explode if they ever feel emotions) in the process, after the relaunch. And all the fanbase did was whine and bitch until they brought the old allergic to gold old school cybermen back so now they have the stupidest aspects of both the nu who and old who versions.

It reminds me of those trek fans who bitch and moan when any of the newer shows do something from the TOS period and doesn't make it look exactly like the old cheap 60's models or sets.

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1fb3e5 No.25861

>>25859

>In DW's defense

no

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0baa6e No.25866

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>>25854

in TNG when they first popped up I don't think Q gimp'd them, the Borg were just analyzing the Enterprise-D, hence why they cut a small section out of it, they didn't really know if they wanted to assimilate yet till quite abit later on when things kicked off, which is why the Borg cube followed after them. when the Borg came into the alpha quadrant and assimilated Piccard to be a spokes'men that's when they first started to fuck them up, it'd honestly been better if Patrick Stewart did actually leave the show at this stage instead of the bullshit that was the crew un-Borging him and yes you're right in that the retarded "sleep mode command ploy" is retarded, after that shit it was indeed down hill with no redeeming qualities other then giving fanbois the ability to fanwank over pretending to be an individual in a extreme society and not to mention that lore's "freed borgs" was handled so shitty fucking doctor crusher could take out their stupid looking spaceship. I distant for VOYs borgs mostly because it ramp'd up the fanwank individualism shit to eleven with Seven of Nine and her many silly adventures with the Borg just casually using Borg tech for any number of little things and oh look her nanites got into the Doc's holo-emitter opps a new super Borg drone is born oh wait it's ok it's somehow an individual that's totally not some writers OC or anything oh well but wait four children operating a Borg cube alone? yeah that makes the best kinda sense, seriously though voy made the Borg into some kinda virus that only suppresses "you" and not something that utterly rewrites your very being which I get TNG set this thanks to Piccard coming back but for fuck sakes they had the chance to fix this aspect and they didn't. I'm not even getting into unimatrix zero no fuck that shit.

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05172b No.25887

>>25786

>implying that the Borg queen isn't deliberate disinfo on the part of the Borg to leak false intelligence to Starfleet

>implying that when the next Cube arrives Starfleet won't be lead around on a chase while the Borg assimilate undefended worlds

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9f916f No.25896

>>25854

>"Borg only learn for assimilating other species and are incapable of making experiments"

That's wrong though, even VOY said the Borg experimented with Omega particles, so we can assume they experimented with other shit. Assimilation just happens to be far more efficient in 99% of cases.

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19b9ca No.25899

>>25896

They outright say in VOY, "the borg can't create, only assimilate."

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ad6026 No.25905

>>25899

>say in VOY

So you know it's wrong.

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ad6026 No.25906

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>>25905

Also, tfw no cute borg loli gf

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3f9447 No.25977

>>25906

I think that might be a Borg Shotatrap?

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0baa6e No.25998

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>>25977

needs me some borg traps

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76b5cc No.26005

>>25977

>>25998

How can there be borg shota and borg traps when, according to Voyager, the Borg probably hack the happy bits off of borg males because they're completely superfluous?

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0baa6e No.26008

>>26005

according to Voyager, there's a happy magical realm inside the borg collective mind where random defects become individuals in

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9daecb No.26028

>>26008

Never saw it, but I'm going to assume it was the result of the writers watching the Matrix (or possibly Dark City) and thinking that trying to combine that stuff with the Borg hive mind was a brilliant idea… then utterly fucking over that idea, like everything else involving Voyager

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def9a8 No.26031

>>26028

That's pretty damned close, actually.

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19b9ca No.26032

>>26008

I remember that one. It was unimatrix 0 or -1 or some shit.

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0baa6e No.26038

File: 3d410e41ddb0c67⋯.jpg (99.62 KB,850x559,850:559,burgo.jpg)

also voyager

>drones if they leave the collective will remember who they are and making a new hardwired collective is easier and more permanent then the actual one also th collective mind waves have magical healing powers

>merely turning off the implants that connect drones to the collective will mean that drone will develop independently

>a borg cube can be operated with five drones and also somehow be cut off from the collective

>there's a individual in a collective who controls the collective and it's incompetent as fuck but the borg luv their wafiu

>the borg can't fight a race of pure biological creatures because they can't assimilate them but just altering their nantics sightly will destroy said creature, the borg didn't realize this.

>injecting your self with a mental suppressant will allow you to be an individual still after being assimilated for quite a long time also having a virus in your body will fuck the whole borg collective up to the point of almost destruction.

have I missed anything else?

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