/strek/ - Star Trek ★

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>>125 (OP)

SFDebris is more wrong than he is right regarding Voyager, and is far too invested in his dislike of it.

>>618

>Voyager pissed me off on many occasions, but the one that made me rage quit mid-episode was the two-parter that took place on Earth in 1995 or 1996. Some dipshit in the Continuity department forgot that they were supposed to be hip-deep in the Eugenics Wars. And to compound their crime, it also featured Sarah Silverman.

Cry more faggot

yes

mainly because its untouched by the jews, for Holodoc and Seven of Nine

>>126

>That and this episode.

That episode is just more of (((their))) propaganda, it depicts two nationalistic factions going against each other in a pitiful attempt to D&C. In reality, Nazis and Klingons would probably unite and burn the Federation to the ground.

>>4087

Imagine if the Klingons ever met Genghis Khan.

>>125 (OP)

Of course it it, sure it wasn't as good as TNG or DS9 but it has its own charm and style, it certainly grows on you, and if you really really hate it (why tho) at least you can say you watched it and then form your opinion afterwards..

>>4070

It's pretty un-Trek to reveal that the computer revolution came from stealing stuff from the future instead of good 'ol human creativity

>>4172

She doesn't even strike me as half-klingon besides her forehead. She's not overly aggressive, she's not quick to anger (usually), she's just plain antisocial and moody. For all the hate Michael Dorn gets for his performance, at least Worf as a character has that whole "alien raised among humans" thing going on for him. He's quiet and broody but explodes unexpectedly (as you would expect from a klingon made to suppress his instincts).

And Tuvok… Spock was half-human and the duality of his identity was interesting. Data wanted to be human and his naivety was endearing. Even fucking T'pol became interesting after she got diseased and couldn't control herself. Tuvok's just boring. There's nothing else to it.

>>4182

>For all the hate Michael Dorn gets for his performance

Don't listen to those people

>>4182

>she's just plain antisocial and moody

That's why I say she's a cunt. Throughout nearly the entire show, she's bitchy, defense, and adversarial about almost everything. Then she proceeds to blame it on her Klingon genes, as if all Klingons are just insufferable nags like her.

>For all the hate Michael Dorn gets for his performance

People hated Dorn's performance? This is the first I'm hearing about this. I always liked Worf, even if he is a weeaboo.

>>4185

>I always had the distinct impression that Tim Russ thought he was made for better things and was disgusted with his agent and co-workers. Maybe that was just really good acting on his part, but I can't seem to get over that impression.

I know what you mean. Every time Tuvok showed up on screen, he had a very apparent 'fuck these people' attitude going on.

>>4199

>People hated Dorn's performance?

I didn't mind him on TNG, but I hated his addition to DS9, it felt like it detracted from an already great pool of established characters.

>>4199

>'fuck these people' attitude

I always though that was supposed to be the character, not that it made him any good.

>Michael Dorn

I've heard a lot of people (though not necessarily here) complain about his performance, mostly in that he doesn't really bring much to it besides what's written on the page - compared to, say, Spiner, whose performance as Data transcends anything the writers may have had in mind while creating the character. I think the utilitarian delivery is pretty essential to the character, but we'll never know until TNG gets rebooted with a new cast and finally sinks the Trek franchise for good.

I will say, though, that Worf is definitely the least interesting of the entire main cast, or at least tied with Troy. But that's a writing thing.

>>4206

I don't hate Worf at all, I find his "dryness" quite endearing at times. While he doesn't exactly have a compelling development, besides the stuff with Alexander (I totally forgot about that) his simplicity is definitely refreshing. I count out Yar and the younger Crusher because neither of them are really "main" cast beyond an early point in the series. That pretty much leaves Troi and Dr. Crusher at the bottom of the barrel and on second thought Worf definitely tops those two (sucks that both the ladies kind of got the shit end of the stick here).

I don't think there's anything wrong with Worf at all, I just think that in a cast of relatable characters who go through a lot in seven seasons Worf gets the least (or worst) attention. For all the episodes he got, few of them really took him anywhere emotionally besides, again, the stuff with Alexander.

In an attempt to tie this into the actual thread topic, I think that's one of the big things that separates a show like TNG from Voyager. We get seven seasons to fall in love with the TNG cast, to learn their struggles and sympathize with them, but Voyager's characters are too fucking shallow for that. And, I mean, you'd think a show like Voyager would be rife with emotional struggles, but no, everything's pretty much blue skies and fucking rainbows for them stuck out in the delta quadrant. No running out of supplies. No steady decline of the ship's state of repair. Everything that could have gone wrong with this show did go wrong.

>two month old thread

who is responsible for this

>>4201

>Worf is definitely the least interesting of the entire main cast

Only because noone ever allowed him to do anything.

>>4210

It was unfortunate that Worf didn't get as much love in terms of story/episodes, but I still always enjoyed seeing him. Also, very true about the comparison of TNG vs VOY. I remember when I first watched TNG, I was putting off finishing season 7 because I didn't want it to end. With Voyager, I couldn't get through it fast enough.

>No running out of supplies. No steady decline of the ship's state of repair.

They did do that, but it was entirely superficial. They had a few episodes and arcs where the ship was in dire condition, but they end up fixing everything good as new and moving on without a care. The premise of the show had massive potential, but no one knew what the hell to do with it, and the show became a crude parody of what it should have been.

>>4280

I only suffered through a handful of random Voyager episodes back when it was airing, so I'm not that familiar with it. But now that I think about it, was the Delphic Expanse arc of Enterprise directly intended as "Voyager, done right"?

>>4405

nice connection, they definitely captured the tension and uncertainty of the situation better but the whole "sphere builder" enemy was pretty dumb imo and put a damper on it. I know trek is supposed to be about exploring the unknown but (real sp)interdimensional aliens warping space in order to make it habitable for them is "out there" even for for trek. Sounds ridiculous even for a sci-fi setting.

I dunno, aside from the obvious example of fluidic space from Voyager (another parallel!?), there's the TNG episode Schisms (which I always liked for its horror), where aliens were attempting to figure out how our universe worked by kidnapping people.

Done right, it could be a neat spin on clashing universes and xenoforming without coming off as a direct ripoff of Lovecraft. I think a show that sort of took a good crack at it with an X-Com: Apocalypse twist was the British miniseries Invasion: Earth.

>>4182

>klingon made to suppress his instincts

this is the best explanation for the /pol question

>>4182

Tuvok is just the reaction of the average person watching Voyager

>>4418

On the one hand, part of me has always considered "Schisms" to be a shlocky episode (while the whole extradimensional aliens trying to reshape conventional space so that they can inhabit it plot is interesting, it's completely devoid of the kind of moral and ethical dilemmas or "big ideas" that define good Trek), but at the same time it's one of my all-time favorites from TNG. The holodeck reconstruction sequence with the abducted crew members still gives me those spooky spine-tingles. I watch that episode almost every Halloween season.